Heart disease by county (map)

[blueice]

I wonder what accounts for some much more heart disease east of the Mississippi. I would of thought that Hawaii would have had more instances of heart disease. CLICK TO ENLARGE.

[<SLV>]

Fried food.

Hydrogenated oil is one of three major causes of arterial sclerosis (if Mamboni disagrees, I'll concede:emotions16: ).

1. Hydrogenated Oil
2. Chlorinated Water
3. Homogenized Milk

These three things scar the arteries. Cholesterol only causes heart disease if it can bind to the artery. The scars give cholesterol something to bind to.

Am I close, Mamboni?

[blueice]

Fried food.

Hydrogenated oil is one of three major causes of arterial sclerosis (if Mamboni diagrees, I'll concede:emotions16: ).

1. Hydrogenated Oil
2. Chlorinated Water
3. Homogenized Milk

These three things scar the arteries. Cholesterol only causes heart disease if it can bind to the artery. The scars give cholesterol something to bind to.

Am I close, Mamboni?

So they subscribe to less of those item west of big miss ?

[<SLV>]

So they subscribe to less of those item west of big miss ?

That's definitely the truth here in Colorado.

[naccarato]

No wonder why I have been getting chest pains. It's the women.

[mamboni]

Fried food.

Hydrogenated oil is one of three major causes of arterial sclerosis (if Mamboni disagrees, I'll concede:emotions16: ).

1. Hydrogenated Oil
2. Chlorinated Water
3. Homogenized Milk

These three things scar the arteries. Cholesterol only causes heart disease if it can bind to the artery. The scars give cholesterol something to bind to.

Am I close, Mamboni?

Yes, you are very close to the problem. The first item you list, Hydrogenated Oil, is without question a known cause of epidemic cardiovascular disease. The hydrogenation of the oils in our foods is so detrimental to health as to be perhaps, without hyperbole, the greatest health scandal of all time. Hydrogenation greatly increases shelf life of all manner of boxed and packaged foods, and likewise greatly increases profits for the food comanies. The problem is that this chemical adulteration destroys essential fats and creates man-made partially unsaturated fats previously unknown to man. Humans have not evolved the metabolic capabilities to process these novel compounds. Hydrogenated fats throw a monkey-wrench into the body's fat metabolism pathways. Animals fed a whole and healthy diet except for addition of partially hydrogenated oils uniformly develop heart disease and become obese. If fellow GIMers do nothing else, they should eliminate all partially hydrogenated fats from their diets. This eliminated virtually all boxed and packaged foods at your supermarket - the problem is that widepspread.

Here's a startling fact: if you leave hydrogenated margarine outdoors, no insect or animal will touch it, whereas natural butter will disappear pronto -- I wonder why?

I can't speak to the chlorine issue but it wouldn't surprise me if chlorinated water is demonstrated to promote cardiovascular disease as it is a classic pro-oxidant corrosive element.

As for homogenized milk, I recall reading studies showing the superiority of raw milk over pasteurized milk nutitionally speaking. Pastuerization (high pressure steam sterilization to kill tuberculosis and other bovine microbes transmissbale to humans) most definitely brutalizes the micronitrients in whole raw milk. Certainly, as a food stuff, the beneficence of pasteurized whole milk has been greatly exaggerated - it's mainly a suspension of lard truth be told. Eggs are a far superior staple.

A move back to unpasteurized milk and non-hydrogenated foodstuffs at this point would result in much higher food prices and probable starvation and spoilage losses would be much greater.

[blueice]

No wonder why I have been getting chest pains. It's the women.

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Y is the west, with the exception of Oklahoma, healthier than the east ?

[<SLV>]

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Y is the west, with the exception of Oklahoma, healthier than the east ?

What is up with Oklahoma? Is it all the crop dusting?

[blueice]

Yes, SLV, not only oky but also Mississippi. I may the explanation for the later, too many Waffle Houses.

[Ardent Listener]

My county in Ohio has a lower rate of heart disease. Maybe because a lot of people are dieing of cancer first.

[Goldhedge]

Got some friends in Kansas. Stayed over and breakfast was heavy in oil.

Bacon, pancakes fried in bacon oil, eggs fried in bacon oil. When they ran out of bacon oil, Mazzola substituted.

Ate one pancake and was full for nearly all day. Ugh....

You should see the women folk, bigger than the menfolk.

Why use so much oil? "Because it tAstes so guud!"

[DrillAndFill]

The first item you list, Hydrogenated Oil, is without question a known cause of epidemic cardiovascular disease. The hydrogenation of the oils in our foods is so detrimental to health as to be perhaps, without hyperbole, the greatest health scandal of all time. Holy cow!

Usually I don't go for pronouncements such as this, but I have heard these sorts of statements from biochemists and medical professionals recently. A freakin' wall of evidence exists on this one, and it don't look good.

[mamboni]

Holy cow!

Usually I don't go for pronouncements such as this, but I have heard these sorts of statements from biochemists and medical professionals recently. A freakin' wall of evidence exists on this one, and it don't look good.

Hydrogenated oils are poison, very slow poison. Worse, once ingested it probably takes years to cycle them out of our body fat stores.

Today, the name of the game is production of bulk food, adulturated and chemically preserved to increase shelf life and facilitate massive warehousing and distribution, deficient in trace minerals necessary for immune-building and cancer-fighting enzymes (as it is derived from grains and prodcue grown on increasingly depleted soils), so long as the people are fed. And fed they are - a well fed populous is less apt to complain about or question the status quo. The food is plentiful and cheap - it is also loaded with poisonous hydrogenated oils, fillers, coloring, excitotoxins (aspertame) salt and MSG. Like inflation, not one man in a million can conprehend this slow motion poisoning that is being perpetrated on the people. The health of the peoples, especially in the developed nations, is slowly being destroyed.

Of course, a starving man would probably prefer a twinky over moldly stored beans.:no_ma:

[Libertarian_Guard]

Mamboni

How bad is high fructose corn syrup on the liver and other organs? It’s contained in nearly every processed sweet liquid.

BTW I greatly appreciate your contribution of time and knowledge to our forum!

[mamboni]

Mamboni

How bad is high fructose corn syrup on the liver and other organs? It’s contained in nearly every processed sweet liquid.

BTW I greatly appreciate your contribution of time and knowledge to our forum!

Fructose is actually OK - the problem is the addition of too much of it which constitutes empty calores. The real killer is sucrose, process sugar. Sucrose is not present to much of a degree in natural foods. A distillate of sugar cane, when sucrose is ingested it is hydrolyzed and absorbed in the proximal duodenum lightening fast - it causes a skyrocketing of blood glucose levels which in turn shocks the pancreas into boluses huge quantities of insulin into the bloodstream in an attempt to reign in blood glucose levels. Some believe these cyclic swings are damaging and promoting premature diabetes (pancreatic exhaustion). Also, the post-prandial effects of hyperinsulinemia are hypoglycemia, causing weakness, nausea and general ill feelings. I eliminated sugar from my diet years ago. If I accidentally ingest sugar now, I get a wicked sugar high and minutes later feel weak and ill. I for one do not believe our bodies have evolved to handle processed sugar: it's the equivalent of met-amphetamines to our carbohydrate metabolism - and, it too promotes obesity.

[AgAuGal]

is sucrose what Slenda contains?

[fritzkrieg]

My thanks too, Mamboni.

Heart disease is a problem not to be ignored. Much too easy to get into trouble through a poor diet.

[Curtman]

I'm trying to figure out what brand and balance of Chelation to get started on.

[Lackluster]

A good site that has a lot of information on health and nutrition:

http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html

An article there:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

From that article:

The following nutrient-rich traditional fats have nourished healthy population groups for thousands of years:

Butter
Beef and lamb tallow
Lard
Chicken, goose and duck fat
Coconut, palm and sesame oils
Cold pressed olive oil
Cold pressed flax oil
Marine oilsThe following new-fangled fats can cause cancer, heart disease, immune system dysfunction, sterility, learning disabilities, growth problems and osteoporosis:

All hydrogenated oils
Soy, corn and safflower oils
Cottonseed oil
Canola oil
All fats heated to very high temperatures in processing and frying

[RossL]

My county in Ohio has a lower rate of heart disease. Maybe because a lot of people are dieing of cancer first.

Yes, that is interesting that Defiance and Paulding counties in Ohio are low, but not too far away are the cities of Lima and Toledo that are above average.

Could diet be that different 40 miles away?

How about lack of industrial jobs?

The coal mining counties in SE Ohio are dark red.

[blueice]

Lackluster, I thought that canola oil was pronounced a good product ?? :s10: :s10: :s10:

[Goldhedge]

Like inflation, not one man in a million can conprehend this slow motion poisoning that is being perpetrated on the people. The health of the peoples, especially in the developed nations, is slowly being destroyed.


That would be one way to reduce the population....

[<SLV>]

is sucrose what Slenda contains?

Splenda is actually SucRALose. It is chlorinated suger. YUUUUUMMY!

[<SLV>]

I'm trying to figure out what brand and balance of Chelation to get started on.

I've used liquid Zeolite by Waiora. Not sure how much good it has been.

[<SLV>]

Lackluster, I thought that canola oil was pronounced a good product ?? :s10: :s10: :s10:

Load up on organic extra-virgin COCONUT oil. Not only does it taste fantastic when frying an egg, melting over cooked vegetables, or in mashed potatos, but it is actually GOOD for you! My wife "butters" her toast with it - I haven't been that brave yet.

[mamboni]

That would be one way to reduce the population....

Perhaps, but a very expensive way. We are headed for a tidal wave of epidemic bad health and chronic disease in this country. The health care costs are going to be staggering. Government constraint on health care expenditure growth in the face of a baby boom generation that has the duel distinctions of being history's most obese and financially indebted will be like fingers on a monetary dyke. Very scary - Mamboni quakes with trepidation!:afraid:

[Lackluster]

info on canola: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/conola.html

Coconut oil for butter? Why not just use butter? http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html

From URL:

Heart disease was rare in America at the turn of the century. Between 1920 and 1960, the incidence of heart disease rose precipitously to become America's number one killer. During the same period butter consumption plummeted from eighteen pounds per person per year to four. It doesn't take a Ph.D. in statistics to conclude that butter is not a cause. Actually butter contains many nutrients that protect us from heart disease. First among these is vitamin A which is needed for the health of the thyroid and adrenal glands, both of which play a role in maintaining the proper functioning of the heart and cardiovascular system. Abnormalities of the heart and larger blood vessels occur in babies born to vitamin A deficient mothers. Butter is America's best and most easily absorbed source of vitamin A.

[Streets Of Gold]

That map reminds me a little of this one

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[<SLV>]

info on canola: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/conola.html

Coconut oil for butter? Why not just use butter? http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html

From URL:

Heart disease was rare in America at the turn of the century. Between 1920 and 1960, the incidence of heart disease rose precipitously to become America's number one killer. During the same period butter consumption plummeted from eighteen pounds per person per year to four. It doesn't take a Ph.D. in statistics to conclude that butter is not a cause. Actually butter contains many nutrients that protect us from heart disease. First among these is vitamin A which is needed for the health of the thyroid and adrenal glands, both of which play a role in maintaining the proper functioning of the heart and cardiovascular system. Abnormalities of the heart and larger blood vessels occur in babies born to vitamin A deficient mothers. Butter is America's best and most easily absorbed source of vitamin A.

In Colorado it is impossible to find raw dairy (legally). Except... we get raw cow cheese ($5 / 8 oz. :shocked_ma: )

[RossL]

That map reminds me a little of this one



Not even close. Compare Minnesota and the upper peninsula of Michigan on both maps.

How much difference in diet is there between people of MN and the U.P. ???