Objective Truth?

[Veritas]

By the way, I just now joined the Ron Paul Revolution.

Welcome aboard buddy!

[messianicdruid]

Yes, and adaptability... like water, like when water gets splashed in the face, how it adapts to the shape of the face. That's how we need to be. Like little cups of water, splashing the cynical and skeptical resisters in the face

We must look for that part of our "enemy" that is us and set aside the little items that we and they cannot give up, long enough to effect what we must effect together, with each others help.

Whatever your "politics" may be, recommended reading is this Time Magazine excerpt of Al Gore's new book The Assault on Reason:

After a bumpy start in which he claims "We are all responsible for the decisions our country makes. We have a Congress. We have an independent judiciary. We have checks and balances. We are a nation of laws. We have free speech. We have a free press" -- he could have lost many by this time, but then says:

"Many Americans now feel that our government is unresponsive and that no one in power listens to or cares what they think. They feel disconnected from democracy. They feel that one vote makes no difference, and that they, as individuals, have no practical means of participating in America's self-government. Unfortunately, they are not entirely wrong. Voters are often viewed mainly as targets for easy manipulation by those seeking their "consent" to exercise power. By using focus groups and elaborate polling techniques, those who design these messages are able to derive the only information they're interested in receiving from citizens—feedback useful in fine-tuning their efforts at manipulation. Over time, the lack of authenticity becomes obvious and takes its toll in the form of cynicism and alienation. And the more Americans disconnect from the democratic process, the less legitimate it becomes.

Many young Americans now seem to feel that the jury is out on whether American democracy actually works or not. We have created a wealthy society with tens of millions of talented, resourceful individuals who play virtually no role whatsoever as citizens. Bringing these people in—with their networks of influence, their knowledge, and their resources—is the key to creating the capacity for shared intelligence that we need to solve our problems."


Ultimately Gore comes to a conclusion that might have been lifted word-for-word from Jacob Needleman's excellent The American Soul: Rediscovering the Wisdom of the Founders:

"So the remedy for what ails our democracy is not simply better education (as important as that is) or civic education (as important as that can be), but the re-establishment of a genuine democratic discourse in which individuals can participate in a meaningful way—a conversation of democracy in which meritorious ideas and opinions from individuals do, in fact, evoke a meaningful response."

Gore touts the internet as "supporting decentralized processes that reinvigorate democracy". Needleman suggested we actually make the time to begin coming together physically in public assembly once again.

Someone was asking about a running mate for Ron Paul. How about Al Gore?

:chat: :coolbeer: :call: :rofl: :wink: :thinkey: :shakehand :dontknow:

[Veritas]

Someone was asking about a running mate for Ron Paul. How about Al Gore?

Al Gore was an integral component of the Clinton regime for 8 years.

No thanks. I don't trust him.

[Waypoint-Trading]

No he wants salmon and honey only.................


Fresh salmon here!


http://meems.imeem.com/g2Fpiz0V/video/co-dOukA/john_west_salmon_commercial_man_vs_bear/

[Waypoint-Trading]

7) They will do everything possible, and I do mean everything, to keep him out. Think P Wellstone and plane crashes by 'pilot error', who was a politician from Minnesota. He was a thorn in their side big time. They finally silenced him. BTW, Wellstone was a Jew, and they took him out. Go figure. Kinda throws that theory out of whack.



As gullible as the public is these days, the light may shine if he is taken out. I believe if he is too popular he is dead.

[RealJack]

I think my dream team of objective truth would be Ron Paul as President and Noam Chomsky as VP. Chomsky is a compulsive truth teller and knows the corruptive nature of the pursuit of power.

Whatcha think?

[AMforPM]

Add a lot of good bodyguards and at least we will hear some truth for a change. They would need constant public support to unseat the corrupt. Jackson took them on and evicted them for a time, so it can be done.

[Riskfactor]

i hope if Ron Paul makes it to the primaries, he chooses to travel in an armoured truck motorcade filled with militia instead of by plane.

having doubles would help too. it worked quite well for Saddam.

[Scorpio]

Seriously, what I would hope for, is that if RP cannot or will not be elected for whatever reason, including rigged elections and so on, that a word of promise can come out of it.

A waking up if you will of as many as possible, for they will all be needed when the real time does arrive.

We don't need a discussion of abortion, or pledge of allegiance in schools, we need a good honest discussion of issues that matter. The balance of those hot button issues will resolves themselves in the fullness of time.

IMO,

We need a discussion of what the heck we are doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, Phillipines, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc, etc, etc. We need to come home.

We need a discussion of monetary policy, budgets, borders and immigration, and Federal Budgets along with the commiserate requirements of the Fed.

We need a discussion of the usurpation of states rights to the Fed. We need to decentralize the power base.

We need to get off this idea that Nat Guard are to be used as Reg Army, when in fact, they are for the US soil only.

And of course, we need a real discussion of what the heck to tell all the retirees that SS is bankrupt, along with Medicare, and every other social program fed to the people over all these years.

In order to go forward, we first have to go back.

As KG may or may not have alluded to, there is no one person that can do this. It will take an army of people with passion to not give up, and the moxy to stand up to the odds, which we all know are way off the charts.

JMO

[crud3w4re]

A really good point KG,

are they so conditioned, so completely sodomized, that they would not even understand what it is he speaks to?

The problem:

The one's that DO care about the politicians are the "swing voter's" but the majority of voters just vote for the popular face, that's the problem.

[Kahlil Gibran]

A really good point KG,

are they so conditioned, so completely sodomized, that they would not even understand what it is he speaks to?

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showpost.php?p=613900&postcount=23

[Veritas]

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showpost.php?p=613900&postcount=23

Wow...not only a troll, but a spam artist as well! You must be proud of yourself KG. Give yourself a nice pat on the back for yourself.

[The Argent Dragon]

#14 - Ron Paul's campaign is the innovation of using the internet as the new 21st century political arean.

#15 - Ron Paul's ideals will force Americans to question its monetary system even if they don't agree.

#16 - Ron Paul (based on Libertarian roots) is reviving the laissez-faire principles of which our great founding father, Thomas Jefferson believed in as the best way a country can flourish economically.

#17 - Ron Paul's campaign is a beacon of hope that only shines with the dreams of a few loyalists........that dream 'can' become reality but it starts with 'us'.

#18 - Ron Paul speaks the 'truth' and not 'politics'

#19 - Support Ron Paul if you're tired of 'SPIN'......

#20 - This is AMERICA - if you don't like it - LEAVE.

[Veritas]

#20 - This is AMERICA - if you don't like it - LEAVE.

LEAVE...or vote for Guilliani. He will destroy what's left of it.

[The Argent Dragon]

LEAVE...or vote for Guilliani. He will destroy what's left of it.

Guilliani needs to stay in N.Y. - he's not ready for running a nation :confused_ma:

AND - I'll do everything in my power (though I am ONE) to keep that rat-bastard from getting elected. My 'hope' is that he does NOT win.

[Veritas]

Guilliani needs to stay in N.Y. - he's not ready for running a nation :confused_ma:

AND - I'll do everything in my power (though I am ONE) to keep that rat-bastard from getting elected. My 'hope' is that he does NOT win.

If one is truly willing to do anything in his power, it would only take one man to take out another.

I agree that Guilliani should stay in New York where he is so beloved. They can keep him - and his gun control.

[Onboard]

College Kids stopped the Vietnam War. That's what I don't get now. Where are the Kids? They know America and their Future are bankrupt. Geezers soon depending on Social Security and free Medicare meds just don't have the gumption to make it happen. Viagra is not enough. Only the young can effect a real Revolution.


Maybe they're not marching in the streets, but here's some emergency cheese for ya! He's a college kid from Georgetown.

He has over 500 subscriptions, a guru tag, and he covers all the candidates, even the "fringe" ones. :smile: Ron Paul is in this one, and it's really worth the 4:40 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQi7PaYKqTU

Video clip has already been posted by Andy9999. It is even in the thread title, sorry Andy.

[SirCruz]

Al Gore was an integral component of the Clinton regime for 8 years.

No thanks. I don't trust him.

Me either!!

No way would Ron Paul trust him either!!