Using foreign rulings to interpret our constitution

[compass]

Holy Crap! The supreme court was using rulings outside this country in order to decide how to interpret our constitution?!@? Thank God that some of our representatives understand that this doesn't make sense.

H.RES.372:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr110-372

RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that judicial determinations regarding the meaning of the Constitution of the United States should not be based on judgments, laws, or pronouncements of foreign institutions unless such foreign judgments, laws, or pronouncements inform an understanding of the original meaning of the Constitution of the United States.

Whereas the Declaration of Independence announced that one of the chief causes of the American Revolution was that King George had `combined to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws';

Whereas the Supreme Court has recently relied on the judgments, laws, or pronouncements of foreign institutions to support its interpretations of the laws of the United States, most recently in Lawrence v. Texas, 123 S.Ct. 2472, 2474 (2003);

Whereas the Supreme Court has stated previously in Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898, 921 n.11 (1997), that `We think such comparative analysis inappropriate to the task of interpreting a constitution . . .';

Whereas Americans' ability to live their lives within clear legal boundaries is the foundation of the rule of law, and essential to freedom;

Whereas it is the appropriate judicial role to faithfully interpret the expression of the popular will through the Constitution and laws enacted by duly elected representatives of the American people and our system of checks and balances;

Whereas Americans should not have to look for guidance on how to live their lives from the often contradictory decisions of any of hundreds of other foreign organizations; and

Whereas inappropriate judicial reliance on foreign judgments, laws, or pronouncments threatens the sovereignty of the United States, the separation of powers and the President's and the Senate's treaty-making authority: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that judicial interpretations regarding the meaning of the Constitution of the United States should not be based in whole or in part on judgments, laws, or pronouncements of foreign institutions unless such foreign judgments, laws, or pronouncements inform an understanding of the original meaning of the Constitution of the United States.

[The Great Ag]

This surprises you? Have you lost your compass, man? Bad pun, I could not resist it.

Seriously, this is nothing to be concerned over. This is standard operating procedure. All US citizens are governed by and subject to the whims of a munincipal corporation, AKA the US gov't.

It can do whatever it pleases with us. As long as you partake or have the ability to partake in the system, you enjoy its penalties as well as its benefits.

REmember man made law can be changed at a moment's notice to suit the rulers. Who cares if the law is foreign to the US or not.

Seriously, what are you going to do, bitch and moan, complain, tell your friends so you can commisserate together?

Or are going to get fired up and toss out some heads?

Come on, man, make a decision.

The Great Ag

[compass]

Seriously, this is nothing to be concerned over. This is standard operating procedure. All US citizens are governed by and subject to the whims of a munincipal corporation, AKA the US gov't.

It can do whatever it pleases with us. As long as you partake or have the ability to partake in the system, you enjoy its penalties as well as its benefits.

REmember man made law can be changed at a moment's notice to suit the rulers. Who cares if the law is foreign to the US or not.

Seriously, what are you going to do, bitch and moan, complain, tell your friends so you can commisserate together?

Or are going to get fired up and toss out some heads?

Come on, man, make a decision.
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I'll go ahead with a serious reply even though my spidey sense detects sarcasm . . .

I think it's easy to give up since so many things are so screwed up, however, I prefer to live life making positive change rather give up and live as a slave. In fact, the way I see it, there is so much opportunity to make a positive change at this time than any other point in history. I believe that we now have a huge amount of leverage to shape the future.

I'll get off my soapbox now.
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[Veritas]

This surprises you? Have you lost your compass, man? Bad pun, I could not resist it.

Seriously, this is nothing to be concerned over. This is standard operating procedure. All US citizens are governed by and subject to the whims of a munincipal corporation, AKA the US gov't.

It can do whatever it pleases with us. As long as you partake or have the ability to partake in the system, you enjoy its penalties as well as its benefits.

REmember man made law can be changed at a moment's notice to suit the rulers. Who cares if the law is foreign to the US or not.

Seriously, what are you going to do, bitch and moan, complain, tell your friends so you can commisserate together?

Or are going to get fired up and toss out some heads?

Come on, man, make a decision.

The Great Ag

I don't think it will be long before a new "shot heard round the world" alters the course of OUR history...

[The Great Ag]

I don't think it will be long before a new "shot heard round the world" alters the course of OUR history...

You think? Who or what group would be doing the shooting?

Since our gov't is a police state (if your local police receive fed funds, they can be militarized), anyone openly defying the gov't will be labeled a "terrorist" and bye-bye, see you next life time.

If you mean the gov't doing the shooting, I can see that happening. I don't see the patriot groups being that highly organized to co-ordinate themselves effectively.

THe Great Ag

[Veritas]

You think? Who or what group would be doing the shooting?

Since our gov't is a police state (if your local police receive fed funds, they can be militarized), anyone openly defying the gov't will be labeled a "terrorist" and bye-bye, see you next life time.

If you mean the gov't doing the shooting, I can see that happening. I don't see the patriot groups being that highly organized to co-ordinate themselves effectively.

THe Great Ag

The interesting thing about the revolutionary "shot heard 'round the world" is that do this day, we don't know for sure which side fired that shot.

It really won't matter this time either. I think tensions will continue to build as both sides inch closer and closer towards that imaginary line in the sand. It is only a matter of time before that line is crossed.

I think there is going to be a catalyzing event that will lead to some serious, unorganized (at first) resistance.

The government can have all the firepower in the world (and they probably do) but if they have no known enemy, they will turn into heavily armed sitting ducks.

Furthermore, I know people in both civilian law enforcement and military. It's likely there will be a lack of unity within their ranks.

[electric-amish]

Rejection of the Word of God results in a baseless legal system. Therefore it will search for meaning anywhere it can.

Electric-Amish

[ben shockley]

http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html
The articles of confederation are the true constitution.
Look at how article II has been watered down by the current constitution. The revolutionary fought for sovereignty of all states.
Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
NOw the vague and incomprehensible tenth amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people
1) This can be interpreted as someone sees fit
2) It is only an amendment

[Veritas]

http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html
The articles of confederation are the true constitution.
Look at how article II has been watered down by the current constitution. The revolutionary fought for sovereignty of all states.
Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
NOw the vague and incomprehensible tenth amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people
1) This can be interpreted as someone sees fit
2) It is only an amendment

Do you have the slightest idea what you are talking about? I sure don't.

What is your point, Ben?

[ben shockley]

Do you have the slightest idea what you are talking about? I sure don't.

What is your point, Ben? Well, Rocky, if you do not understand the verbatim quotes from the constitution, than nobody can help you. See the colored text.