Who or What is the UNITED STATES and THE UNITED OF AMERICA today?

[Goldhedge]

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Who or What is the UNITED STATES and THE UNITED OF AMERICA today?

In 1787 the several States created the United States by Constitution.

In 1861 the Congress walked out without day ending the united States of America and the United States government located in Washington D.C .

This brought on a big riot between the States some States on one side and some States on the other.

After the riots were over by agreement of all States it was realized the States of America united were no longer and in order for the United States of America to exist again there would have to be a complete ratification of the compact between the States again and the Congress and President knew that it would not happen because of all the damage that had been done by the riot aka civil war.

The powers that be in Washington came up with this thing called the 14th amendment which was not an amendment at all but a Constitution creating a de facto Government creating a new UNITED STATES and got the States to sign on to it giving all power to a federal central de facto government and creating a de facto person aka citizen located and headquartered again in Washington D. C.

After they (the de facto Congress) got all the States to sign on the 14th amendment and agree to be under the jurisdiction of the UNITED STATES and the de facto Congress it was incorporated in 1872 as THE UNITED STATES making a Federal de facto central Corporate Government called THE UNITED STATES and they adopted the previous Constitution of the united States of America as the Corporate Charter and the States all became political subdivision an instrumentality of the UNITED STATES a Federal Corporation making them STATE CORPORATION and the CORPORATE STATES adopted their State Constitutions as their Corporate Charter.

The 14th amendment gives only one right and that is the right to vote in the de fact federal corporation.

When you register to vote you swear you are a citizen of the UNITED STATES the Federal Corporation making you a federal corporate person. The Corporate person ( U.S. citizen) entity of the United States can't question the debt pursuant to the 14th amendment. So when the tax man comes to collect, pay him are go to jail. You volunteered into the de fact Federal Government you can volunteer out. But you must give up and not partake of any of its benefits such as a banking benefit, a License benefit, a Voting benefit in the Federal State or city elections and a Social Security present or future benefit identified by a S.S. number or any benefit that the nexus would tie you to the UNITED STATES or any of its political subdivisions.

28 USC Sec. 3002

(15) "United States " means -
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States ; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
(16) "United States marshal" means a United States marshal, a deputy marshal, or an official of the United States Marshals

Service designated under section 564.

AND: Taken from Black's Law Dictionary 8th Edition - Page 716

de facto government (di fak-toh). 1. A government that has taken over the regular government and exercises sovereignty over a nation. 2. An independent government established and exercised by a group of a country's inhabitants who have separated themselves from die parent state. — Also termed government de facto.

de jure government. A functioning government that is legally established. — Also termed government de jure.

federal government. 1. A national government that exercises some degree of control over smaller political units that have surrendered some degree of power in exchange for the right. to participate in national political matters. — Also termed (in federal states) central government. 2. The U.S. government. — Also termed national government. [Cases:

United States 1. C. J.S. United States §§ 2-3.]

If anyone can find anything with this document that is not true let me know and show proof and I will change it.

Ralph-Kenneth, family of Evans a unit of the de jure government of Texas.

[GoldWampum]

Very interesting Goldhedge. I need to get back on their mailing list. :bear_thumb:

[The Great Ag]

Good article,Goldhedge:

As you may know, LB Bork, creator of pac.law.org and the red pill which is in you sig line, did a wonderful treatise on the 14th Amendment, and I posted a thread about it, and Andy was kind enough to make it a sticky.

Here is the link http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=125000

Congress was adjourned, Sine die (without day) - never to return. Actually, and very briefly, a US citizen is a corporate person, i.e. a legal entity created by the de facto gov't. This is why the gov't can essentially do anything it wants to us, legally. By being born in any of the 50 states, by voting, by holding a drivers license, having a SS# you are tacitly and quietly agreeing that you are a US Citizen and therefore have access to gov't benefits and also the penalties.

By voting you are actually committing rebellion! You are voting for a de facto system, which must take notice of your rebellion, and must, consider you a criminal and treat you accordingly.

The Great Ag

[woodman]

Posted by the Great Ag:


By voting you are actually committing rebellion! You are voting for a de facto system, which must take notice of your rebellion, and must, consider you a criminal and treat you accordingly.



How so? If you are voting within the parameters of the system then how are you violating it's rules? I see nothing criminal in this although I do regard the whole Banker wrought system criminal in itself so in that case when we vote we are participating in criminality. This is from a de jure standpoint however and not de facto

[The Great Ag]

How so? If you are voting within the parameters of the system then how are you violating it's rules? I see nothing criminal in this although I do regard the whole Banker wrought system criminal in itself so in that case when we vote we are participating in criminality. This is from a de jure standpoint however and not de facto

Woo, where to begin, Woodman? The article Goldhedge posted speaks much to this, if only briefly. The 14th Amendment reversed ALL Americans' nationality, creating a wholly new entity called, "The U.S. citizen." All Constitutional rights were re-voked (except one explained below), gov't privileges instituted, and freedom became the ghost of dreams past.

The 14th amendment gives only one right and that is the right to vote in the de facto (government) federal corporation.

When you register to vote you swear you are a citizen of the UNITED STATES the Federal Corporation making you a federal corporate person. The Corporate person ( U.S. citizen) entity of the United States can't question the debt pursuant to the 14th amendment. So when the tax man comes to collect, pay him are go to jail. You volunteered into the de facto Federal Government you can volunteer out. But you must give up and not partake of any of its benefits such as a banking benefit, a License benefit, a Voting benefit in the Federal State or city elections and a Social Security present or future benefit identified by a S.S. number or any benefit that the nexus would tie you to the UNITED STATES or any of its political subdivisions.

How is voting a criminal act? The parameters are set so the mere act of voting, or even registering to vote condemns the American as a rebel against the de jure gov't.

Here is the 14th Amendment second section condensed without the gobbely gook.
But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of Electors. . . is denied. . . or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime. . .representation shall be reduced. . ..
The 14th Amendment removed the dejure gov't and replaced it with a defacto gov't, and by voting you voluntarily agree with the insurgent, defacto gov't (see definitions below). By doing so, your actions demonstrate for all legal purposes, and for all to see that you are rebelling against your de jure gov't. The people who crafted this piece of art were brilliant. The lynch pin to all of this is OUR voluntary co-operation. They need us to co-operate/vote or their house of cards falls. Believe it or not, communism was/is based on voluntary co-operation.

From Blacks Legal Dictionary 5th Ed.
Gov't de jure: A goverbnment of right; the true and lawful government; a government established according to the constitution of the nation. . .which, nevertheless, has been supplanted or displaced; that is to say, which received not presently (although it received formerly) habitual obedience from the bulk of the community.
Gov't defacto: A government of fact(?) A government actually exercising power and control, as opposed to the true and lawful government; a government not established according to the contstitution of the nation. Such a government, in its highest degree, assumes a character verly closely resembling that of a lawful government. This is when the usurping government expels the regular authorities from their customary seats and functions, and establishes itself in their place, and so becomes the actual government of a country. The distinguisihing characteristic of such a government is that adherents to it in war aginst the government de jure do not incur the penalties of treason; and , under certain limitations, obligations assumed by it in behalf of the country or otherwise will, in general, be respected by the government de jure when restored. Such a government might be more aptly denominated a "government of paramount force,: being maintained by active military power against the rightful authority of an established and lawful government.

If you know history at all, these two defintions fit precisely what has occurred in America since 1861. The 14th Amendment codified, and made legal, under the color of law, what transpired during the war of northern agression, the ware between the states, and more commonally, but incorrectly termed, civil war.

Section 4 of the 14th Amendment;
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
The bold language is similarly found in the defintion of a gov't defacto.

Woodman, can you begin to see how voting is actually a crime?

From United States code, the legal defintion of rebellion.
18 USC 2383: (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002383----000-.html) Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
From Ballantines Legal dictionary 3rd ed:
Rebellion: The open and active opposition of a number of citizens or subjects of a country or state to its government.

Are you in rebellion towards your de jure gov't? By registering to vote, you sure as heck are, and the legal system will take quiet notice of this fact, and act accordingly.

Does this make sense? It does to me, but it is late. Ask any questions, Woodman.

The Great Ag