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The Argent Dragon
08-08-2007, 11:06 AM
The purpose of this thread is to track the 'new' lows of the USD Index as it occurs. Guess-timations and predictions of future movements welcomed.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>http://www.kitco.com/images/down.gif</TD><TD> USD (javascript:NewWindow('/glossary/usd.html','AU','top=50,left=200,width=420,height=4 20,scrollbars=yes'))
</TD><TD align=right>80.10
</TD><TD align=right>-0.27</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

(KITCO)

*Note : Please list your source of reference when posting #'s for the purpose of evaluating discrepancies in the marketplace.
Darkside
08-08-2007, 11:14 AM
http://www.bbcarchive.org.uk/pmwiki/pub/localphotos/sinking_ship.jpg
Darkside
08-08-2007, 11:19 AM
Somebody better call the PLunge Protection Team!

http://www.goodmorningmaine.com/Rich%20With%20Plunger-1.jpg
The Argent Dragon
08-08-2007, 11:23 AM
Commodity Futures Price Quotes For
NYBOT US Dollar Index

(Price quotes for NYBOT US Dollar Index delayed at least 30 minutes as per exchange requirements)
Click here to refresh data (javascript:reStart())
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 bgColor=#ffffff border=1><TBODY><TR bgColor=#99ccff><TD align=middle rowSpan=2>Month
Click for chart </TD><TD align=middle colSpan=8>Session</TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Pr.Day</TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle rowSpan=2>Options</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccffff><TD align=middle>Open</TD><TD align=middle>High</TD><TD align=middle>Low</TD><TD align=middle>Last</TD><TD align=middle>Time</TD><TD align=middle>Sett</TD><TD align=middle>Chg</TD><TD align=middle>Vol</TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle>Sett</TD><TD align=middle>OpInt</TD><TD></TD></TR><!--select *, date_format(date_add(date_sub(ddf_timestamp, interval idelaytime minute), interval 1 hour) , '%b %d, %H:%i') as quote_timestamp, substring(symbol,-2,1) as sym_mcode, ((substring(symbol,-2,1)='Y')*-1000) + ((substring(symbol,-1,1)<substring(sessiondate,4,1)) + substring(sessiondate,3,1))*10 + substring(symbol,-1,1) as sym_year, pclose as pr_cl from snapshots left join ExpirationDates on snapshots.symbol=ExpirationDates.sym where symbol like 'DX__' and sessionid='' and isactive=1 and (LTD>=Now() or LTD is NULL) order by sessiondate desc, sym_year, sym_mcode--><TR bgColor=#f0f0f0><TD align=middle>Cash</TD><TD align=left>80.561</TD><TD align=left>80.711</TD><TD align=left>80.167</TD><TD align=left>80.171 </TD><TD align=middle>Aug 08, 09:55</TD><TD align=middle><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD>-0.308</TD><TD align=right><CENTER>-</CENTER></TD><TD></TD><TD>80.479</TD><TD align=right><CENTER>-</CENTER></TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle>n/a</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Sep 07 (http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/DXU7)</TD><TD align=left>80.470</TD><TD align=left>80.615</TD><TD align=left>80.050</TD><TD align=left>80.050 </TD><TD align=middle>Aug 08, 09:55</TD><TD align=middle><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD>-0.320</TD><TD align=right>2406</TD><TD></TD><TD>80.370</TD><TD align=right>38716</TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle>Call (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/calls/DXU7_2007-08-08.html) Put (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/puts/DXU7_2007-08-08.html) </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Dec 07 (http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/DXZ7)</TD><TD align=left>80.250</TD><TD align=left>80.250</TD><TD align=left>79.900</TD><TD align=left>79.900 </TD><TD align=middle>Aug 08, 09:55</TD><TD align=middle><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD>-0.270</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD></TD><TD>80.170</TD><TD align=right>3260</TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle>Call (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/calls/DXZ7_2007-08-08.html) Put (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/puts/DXZ7_2007-08-08.html) </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Mar 08 (http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/DXH8)</TD><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER><TD align=middle>Aug 08, 09:33</TD><TD align=middle><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD><CENTER>-</CENTER< font></CENTER></TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD></TD><TD>80.000</TD><TD align=right>636</TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle>Call (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/calls/DXH8_2007-08-08.html) Put (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/puts/DXH8_2007-08-08.html) </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Jun 08 (http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/DXM8)</TD><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD align=left><CENTER>-</CENTER><TD align=middle>Aug 07, 15:09</TD><TD align=middle><CENTER>-</CENTER< td></CENTER><TD><CENTER>-</CENTER< font></CENTER></TD><TD align=right><CENTER>-</CENTER></TD><TD></TD><TD>79.830</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD></TD><TD align=middle>Call (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/calls/DXM8_2007-08-08.html) Put (http://data.tradingcharts.com/futures/puts/DXM8_2007-08-08.html) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
RossL
08-08-2007, 11:35 AM
dollar index spot

charts.marketcenter.com
30 min delay

:shocked_ma:
DBcooper
08-08-2007, 11:53 AM
http://bp0.blogger.com/_wFWqWIH-WFU/RrgXLBEKkpI/AAAAAAAAB4A/osBt5jIjJ10/s1600/350px-Fed_Reserve.jpg
The Argent Dragon
08-08-2007, 11:58 AM
Great chart there RossL - thnx :wink:

The way I see it (based on the past few weeks)...


STOCKS go up......Dollar goes down

DOLLAR goes up......Stockes go down


http://www.sapergalleries.com/KuhnBalancingAct.jpg

How long will the balancing act continue before the inevitable ?
Darkside
08-08-2007, 12:00 PM
well, not today. The PPT is in full swing.
Iaoa
08-08-2007, 12:05 PM
Bad Japanese factory report to the rescue, Yen 0.5 % down to the dollar.
RossL
08-08-2007, 03:36 PM
never mind. everythings OK now
Darkside
08-08-2007, 03:40 PM
good save by the plunger team
The Argent Dragon
08-08-2007, 03:49 PM
good save by the plunger team

Looks like it helped out Wall-y as well.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=BgIndexOne><TD bgColor=#ffffff>http://www.kitco.com/images/up.gif</TD><TD bgColor=#ffffff> DJIA
</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#ffffff>13,676.63
</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#ffffff>+172.33</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Mined Games
08-08-2007, 03:49 PM
I am cofident that the dollar will not be able to hold the .80 level for much longer. Once that barrier is breached, we move into uncharted waters. And we all know what happens when one navigates in uncharted waters. If you don't know, just look at Darkside's image in post #2!

Once the dollar breaks .80, all the Central Bank gold sales in the world won't help. Gold will firmly establish itself above the 700 per ounce level.
The Argent Dragon
08-08-2007, 03:59 PM
And we all know what happens when one navigates in uncharted waters. If you don't know, just look at Darkside's image in post #2!.....

GIM members with PM's get dibs on the 1st lifeboats ! :bear_tongue:
Mined Games
08-08-2007, 04:46 PM
GIM members with PM's get dibs on the 1st lifeboats ! :bear_tongue:

It's kind of an ironic idea that something as dense and prone to sinking as PMs are, will be relied upon to keep you floating in economic terms! If I was on a real lifeboat and some dude tries to board while holding a heavy stash of PMs, he would get thrown overboard in a heartbeat!:D
mamboni
08-08-2007, 04:49 PM
This sounds like a job for the Fed:
randymatt
08-08-2007, 04:57 PM
This sounds like a job for the Fed:

:rofl:
nice work there mamboni, and nice touch with the FRN-TP
johnlvs2run
08-08-2007, 04:59 PM
A friend saw an ad for gold on Foxnews just a few minutes ago.

Then they had Bush on talking about the stock market.

Having Fox talk about gold is not a good sign for (the way they are playing with) it's value.
Horn
08-08-2007, 05:12 PM
It's kind of an ironic idea that something as dense and prone to sinking as PMs are, will be relied upon to keep you floating in economic terms! If I was on a real lifeboat and some dude tries to board while holding a heavy stash of PMs, he would get thrown overboard in a heartbeat!:D

The Fed. will be handing out the lifeboats, and from my impression of PM holders they won't be accepting them.:bear_w00t:
KASHMAN02
08-08-2007, 07:24 PM
The purpose of this thread is to track the 'new' lows of the USD Index as it occurs. Guess-timations and predictions of future movements welcomed.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>http://www.kitco.com/images/down.gif</TD><TD> USD (javascript:NewWindow('/glossary/usd.html','AU','top=50,left=200,width=420,height=4 20,scrollbars=yes'))
</TD><TD align=right>80.10
</TD><TD align=right>-0.27</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

(KITCO)

*Note : Please list your source of reference when posting #'s for the purpose of evaluating discrepancies in the marketplace.

Is there an etf you can buy that shorts the dollar??
graspAU
08-08-2007, 07:26 PM
52wk Low 79.958 52wk Low Date 2007-08-06 -source ino.com
phideaux
08-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Is there an etf you can buy that shorts the dollar??

You can buy ETFs that go long other (Though still FIAT) currencies. Here are a few:

<TABLE class="portfolio_data simple" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#dcdcdc><TH>Symbol</TH><TH>Name</TH><TH>Trade</TH><TH colSpan=2>Change</TH><TH>Volume</TH><TH>Avg Vol (3m)</TH><TH class=last>52-wk Range</TH></TR><TR><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">FXE (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FXE)</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">CURRENCYSHARES EURO
</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">138.08</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.54</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.39%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">171,900</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">94,261.5</TD><TD class=last style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">124.95 - 138.68</TD></TR><TR><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">FXF (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FXF)</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">CRRNCYSHR SW FR TR
</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">83.70</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.04</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.05%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">16,800</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">18,075.4</TD><TD class=last style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">78.43 - 84.44</TD></TR><TR><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">FXB (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FXB)</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">CRRNCYSHR BP STER TR
</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">203.88</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 1.33</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.66%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">27,200</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">16,693.8</TD><TD class=last style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">185.51 - 207.11</TD></TR><TR><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">FXC (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FXC)</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">CRRNCYSHRS CAN DL TR
</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">95.41</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.43</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.45%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">11,900</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">27,236.9</TD><TD class=last style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">83.11 - 96.93</TD></TR><TR><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">FXA (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FXA)</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">CRRNCYSHR AUS DLR TR
</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">86.33</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.58</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.68%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">68,500</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">32,156.9</TD><TD class=last style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">74.30 - 88.95</TD></TR><TR><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">FXM (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FXM)</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">CRRNCYSHR MEX PSO TR
</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">91.55</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.19</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.21%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">3,200</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">7,529.23</TD><TD class=last style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">89.21 - 94.08</TD></TR><TR><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="DISPLAY: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">-</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">FXS (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FXS)</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">CRRNCYSHR SW KRN TR
</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">149.28</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.44</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/fi/03rd/up_g.gif 0.30%</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">700</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">4,504.62</TD><TD class=last style="TEXT-ALIGN: right">135.05 - 151.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Darkside
08-09-2007, 10:09 AM
It's coming back today

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/intraday.gif?s=NYBOT_DX&t=l&w=5&a=2&v=s


Rollercoaster continues...
skirnir
08-09-2007, 10:13 AM
Yen carry trades being unwound...that's probably why the dollar index is going up.
Darkside
08-09-2007, 10:32 AM
WOW What a spike from 80.6 to 80.9!!

I think they let a newbie take over the controls there... :D
The Argent Dragon
08-09-2007, 10:52 AM
It's cooled off a bit......

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>http://www.kitco.com/images/up.gif</TD><TD> USD (javascript:NewWindow('/glossary/usd.html','AU','top=50,left=200,width=420,height=4 20,scrollbars=yes'))
</TD><TD align=right>80.71
</TD><TD align=right>+0.49</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

That $95 Billion Euro injection did wonders (courtesy of the ECB). :wink:
Golden Rivet
08-09-2007, 11:16 AM
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/usdollar_debt.jpg
lolo
08-09-2007, 12:15 PM
Two weeks ago, when we had a run up on PM's, I was lucky enough to dump some....we have to come to terms with the fact that they are far too manipulated to ever be what most of hope that they would be. But what is fascinating is that there are no real avenues for the average person to put their money for it to be safe and get any kind of return. We are being forced to capitulate any autonomy due to the fact that both the inflation and deflation card can be used against us. After all that has happened in the past month, a PM's are STILL caught in this range and trending down, its time that we understand that nothing is going to change.
Hi Ho
08-09-2007, 12:25 PM
Two weeks ago, when we had a run up on PM's, I was lucky enough to dump some....we have to come to terms with the fact that they are far too manipulated to ever be what most of hope that they would be. But what is fascinating is that there are no real avenues for the average person to put their money for it to be safe and get any kind of return. We are being forced to capitulate any autonomy due to the fact that both the inflation and deflation card can be used against us. After all that has happened in the past month, a PM's are STILL caught in this range and trending down, its time that we understand that nothing is going to change.

nothing is going to change as long as people are buying paper silver and gold. BUY THE REAL THING! You WILL be rewarded.
Anty Ep
08-09-2007, 12:28 PM
Is there an etf you can buy that shorts the dollar??

dont know but rydex has a declining dollar mutual fund