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DBcooper
08-08-2007, 11:41 AM
Too Much Like 1929
Bernard Ber
The following commentary will describe the final sequence of events that will lead to the implosion of the global economy.
As US real estate prices fall and depress US economic growth, private foreign investors begin to withdraw their capital from the US financial markets. This capital flow would by itself act to elevate the currency value of the country that it is returning to. However, the governments of developing foreign countries have policies in place to fix the exchange rate of their currencies. In order to maintain this fixed exchange rate, foreign central banks will print their own currency and exchange it for US dollars (which are then invested into US government debt). The amount of money printed and exchanged into US dollars by the foreign central bank will necessarily equate to the amount of private capital returning to the country. These central bank policies will act to artificially keep the value of the US dollar elevated and artificially keep US interest rates low.
The fixed exchange rate regime is put under great stress when private investment capital begins to leave the US, because it necessitates that the foreign central bank print much greater amounts of their own currency. This will act to boost their domestic money supply and cause their own economy and stock market to “overheat”. Additionally, in the process of exchanging increasing amounts of their own currency for US dollars, the foreign central bank rapidly builds up the amount of foreign exchange reserves that they own. The increasingly large holdings of foreign exchange reserves represent a corresponding increasingly large risk of foreign exchange losses to the central bank (should the US dollar fall in value in the future).
When the central bank fixes the exchange rate, it effectively cedes control over the domestic money supply, as they are obligated to print whatever amount of currency is required in order to offset the amount of foreign currency being brought back to the country. The only tool that the central bank has left at its disposal is to change the level of the domestic short term interest rate. However, even there its’ hands are tied, because if they decide to increase the interest rate (should the economy “overheat”), then this will only serve to worsen the situation. This will cause even more investment capital to return to the country from the US because the interest rate differential between the two countries is made more favourable, drawing in capital in search of higher interest yield.
In the face of increasing private investment inflows (caused by a deteriorating US economy), the foreign central bank is faced with a tremendous dilemma. Its economy begins to overheat and yet increasing interest rates will only serve to worsen the situation. The only way to stop the rapid acceleration in domestic money supply growth is to finally abandon the fixed exchange rate regime altogether. This will negate the necessity of printing new currency with no control.
When the fixed exchange rate regime is terminated, then newly minted funds from the foreign central bank no longer act to support the value of the US dollar and maintain low US interest rates. In effect, there is nothing left to support the US consumer anymore. The value of the US dollar collapses and US interest rates skyrocket. The skyrocketing interest rates cause a real estate crash. The collapsing value of the US dollar causes the price of gold to skyrocket. And needless to say, the stock market collapses.
At this time, the key foreign central bank that is artificially supporting the US economy at present is the central bank of China. Their current foreign exchange reserves now stand at $1.2 trillion. The latest statistics indicate that their foreign exchange reserves grew by about $135 billion in the first quarter of 2007, which equates to an annualized growth rate of $540 billion. They are not alone in propping up the US economy, as total worldwide central bank reserve growth is running at an annualized rate of $1 trillion (with current total reserves of $5 trillion). Some people look at the data with puzzlement, but what it clearly reveals is that a great deal of private investment capital is being repatriated from the US. Economic growth in the US began to decelerate significantly in the fourth quarter of 2006. I don’t see that as a coincidence.
The Chinese stock market began to rise in value dramatically starting in November 2006. It has literally doubled in value since then (over a period of 6 months), with the Shanghai composite index rising from 1800 to a present level of 3600. The over-inflated state of the Chinese stock market recently resulted in a one-day decline of 9% on February 27, 2007, which in turn caused global stock markets to sell off sharply. As well, the economic growth rate in China has accelerated to an annualized rate of 11.1% in the first quarter of 2007. The run-up in the Chinese stock market and the acceleration in economic growth at the same time that China’s foreign exchange reserves rose sharply is also no coincidence.
The point is rapidly approaching when China’s central bank will be forced to abandon their fixed exchange rate regime. On March 20, 2007, the governor of China’s central bank stated for the first time that they “will not stockpile foreign exchange reserves any more” (an extraordinarily important comment that few people took note of). Given the present state of affairs, how could that possibly be accomplished without the abandonment of the fixed exchange rate system? They will realize that the alternative to this (keeping the policy in place) can only result in the destruction of the Chinese economy. When the peg on China’s foreign exchange rate is dropped, the US economy (as well as the global economy) will implode.
The global economy is critically dependent right now on what happens in the Chinese economy. To that extent, it is very important to focus on three elements going forward: the growth of China’s foreign exchange reserves, Chinese economic growth and the Chinese stock market. In turn, what happens in China will depend on the rate of deterioration in the US economy (which will determine the amount of private investment capital that returns back to China and causes their economy to overheat further). At this point, we are witnessing an extremely unusual relationship, whereby deterioration in US economic growth actually causes an acceleration in Chinese economic growth.
Further deterioration in US economic growth from this point onward will cause the US Federal Reserve to consider cutting the US short term interest rate. While many participants in the US financial markets are conditioned to look at this outcome favourably, at this point such a decision would result in a repatriation of foreign capital (and rising longer term interest rates), because the interest rate differential versus other countries will become less favourable. An interest rate cut for a highly indebted country that is highly dependent on foreign capital will result in a completely opposite effect from that intended. The flight of private foreign capital back to China would result in the termination of China’s fixed exchange rate system, as the tremendous increase in their domestic money supply would necessitate it. Once that occurs, the foreign capital outflow would turn into a flood, given that there would be no foreign central bank intervention to offset it. Any benefit to debtors from a lower short term interest rate will be negated by the tremendous offsetting cost of sharply higher longer term interest rates (as US government debt is sold off in the US dollar liquidation). The US Federal Reserve is in a box. The Fed is now powerless to rescue the US economy, because of the threat of foreign capital flight. The emperor has no clothes.
The tension in the world financial system will continue to build as the system is stretched from two opposite ends (the US and China). Further acceleration in Chinese economic growth or further deterioration in US economic growth will increase this tension to the point that the system literally breaks (remembering again that these two trends are linked together). Any further increases in the Chinese short term interest rate or decreases in the US short term interest rate will amplify these stresses and cause the cracks in the dam to widen (until the dam bursts).
The wild card in this situation is Iran. There has been a major escalation in the conflict between the US and Iran over the past few months regarding the development of Iran’s nuclear program. The latest round of UN sanctions on Iran were imposed on March 24 and will be reassessed after 60 days (as of May 23rd) if Iran fails to comply with the UN Security Council resolution. Iran’s leaders have recently indicated that they will retaliate in some unspecified manner if new sanctions are imposed upon them again. Their intent is clearly to escalate the conflict (in a “tit-for-tat” manner) to the point where a military conflict ensues. If Iran threatens in a more specific and tangible manner to attack the US directly, then you can rest assured that private foreign capital with flee from the US financial markets. When that capital flees back to China, the flow of capital will overwhelm their central bank and cause them to abandon their fixed exchange rate regime. As mentioned before, this in turn will cause the stream of money leaving the US to turn into a flood. Given Iran’s deep hostility toward the US, they may very well recognize the acute vulnerability of their opponent and seek to exploit it by escalating the conflict (at least verbally) to the point of literally “scaring” foreign capital out of the US and destroying their economy.
Now I would like to draw a very important parallel. Let us return to the sequence of events that led to the stock market crash of 1929 and the Great Depression in the 1930s.
Back in 1966, the most esteemed Alan Greenspan himself wrote the following in an essay entitled “Gold and Economic Freedom (http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/greenspan66.html)”:
“When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve's attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain's gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates.
The "Fed" succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930's.” (end, emphasis added)
Do we see any parallels here?
The two major players in the world financial system at that time were the United States and Great Britain. The United States was the emerging industrial power, whereas Great Britain was the mature and stagnating industrial power. The central bank of the emerging industrial power (the US) printed money in an effort to prop up the economy of the mature industrial power (Great Britain). The inflation of the money supply resulted in the overheating of the economy and the stock market of the emerging industrial power. It was the crash in the stock market of the emerging industrial power (the US) that brought about the crash in all the world’s stock markets and the Great Depression followed later.
Now fast forward to today, and what you see is China as the emerging industrial power and the United States as the mature and stagnating industrial power. China is printing money in an effort to prop up the economy of the mature industrial power (the US). The inflation of the money supply is resulting in the overheating of the Chinese economy and stock market. Very interestingly, on February 27, 2007, it was the sharp 9% one-day drop in the Chinese stock market that led to the sharp drop in stock markets worldwide, including the US. People may be conditioned to think that economic events in developing countries pale in significance to economic events in the US, and may fail to see how what happens “way over there” in China would have any significant impact on their economic well-being. But how different the truth really is. I think most people even now after the February 27th turn of events, fail to grasp why the US stock market sold off so sharply after the Chinese stock market sell off occurred first. The idea that a foreign stock market could dictate what happens in the US stock market almost offends the American sense of national pride (so the event is casually dismissed as “market irrationality”). A word of advice: you better get used to it, as there is much more of that to come. The crash is coming.

© 2007 Bernard Ber
Toronto, Ontario Canada
Email (bber_2005@yahoo.com)



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RiverRat
08-08-2007, 12:37 PM
:no_ma: Nope...not even close.

The US was a microcosm in 1929 with different leadership and a tendency to be isolationist.
The Royal Scam pulled off by the monied aristocracy of Great Britain was a cold,calculated financial attempt to reap the rewards of US ignorance and greed.

Call it a power trip with huge financial rewards for the inner circle who already controlled Europe...do your own research...the history they taught you in school was not the truth of what really caused the crash of 29'.

The short version:

This time it will be for the same purpose,but with a twist.
Let's call it destroying the economy without destroying the physical infrastructure that it depends on.

Bio weapons that kill the population of a country off leaving all housing,industry,and resources intact at first glance seem mighty attractive.
Unfortunately you can't run machinery and produce goods and services without cheap labor. Also,dead people don't buy IPods :>)
Who is going to run the machinery and sweep up the trash ?

A more conservative plan would be to just destroy the economy and buy the whole damn country at fire sale prices for pennys on the dollar.
That way you achieve control of the resources and become a savior to the starving populace without firing a shot.

Pretty neat huh ?

Well,that's the plan folks...the shortened,condensed version.

The NWO aristocracy now controls the infrastructure and has the populace by the shorts.
Work or starve dude...we own it all and we make the rules.

Oh,there will be lot's of new rules...but we'll leave that topic for another day.

Imagine you were a politician.
Imagine you were offered a place in the inner circle with riches and power beyond belief with no threat to your safety or financial security.
Imagine the rewards if you sell out your own neighbors and friends and see them lined up at your door willing to work for food while you spend your winters on the French Riviera or Miami in decadent splendor?

Pretty damn tempting offer,with zero risk.

Damn...where do I sign up ?

Sorry kid...we already closed the door.
Your government's politicians filled the job vacancy's a long time ago.

:bear_w00t::bear_w00t::bear_w00t::bear_w00t:

Maybe next time...check back in a hundred years or so...

Have a nice day...

Again...1929 will look like a walk in the park folks...when they pull the trigger similarities and fundamentals aren't going to be worth a damn.

We got bigger problems...

:rant::rant::rant::rant:

The Argent Dragon
08-08-2007, 12:38 PM
Something to think about,

IF we determine that indeed the FED and Wall-Street are to be held repsonsible for the Depression (I).......

THEN isn't it perfectly reasonable to suspect that the FED and Wall-Street are capable of starting Depression II ???

*NOTE : Keep in mind this would have grave effects on all those in the US no matter what business sector you're involved in. That means those plugged in the system are subject losing their job - losing their home and other assets - as well as having a shortage of capital needed to survive a dire situation. Life may be rosy as you see it but forces beyond your control can turn your world upside down before you can spell D-E-P-R-E-S-S-I-O-N

DBcooper
08-08-2007, 12:43 PM
RiverRat i see where your going,and ive often thought that maybe the intention is to destroy America then reshape it too.
However I dont think there is some cabal like that and if there is well we might as well assume that the great 2/3rds of the population is the target as well.

zeedub
08-08-2007, 12:53 PM
those bio-weapons already exist, in the form of cigarettes, beer, mcdonalds etc.

most of the people who use those could be considered "useless eaters"

DBcooper
08-08-2007, 01:00 PM
Zeedub,not quick enougth.
How about genome weapons that target specific races?
Think about that for a moment.

zeedub
08-08-2007, 01:03 PM
well sure there is the possibility of death beams, but the mcdonalds eaters and smokers/drinkers still can go to work, get taxed and pay interest

like an open air prison

if they truly don't need our $$ anymore then the death beams might come out

DBcooper
08-08-2007, 01:07 PM
I smoke and eat a Big Mac sometimes and im healthy i think,outta try it.

mamboni
08-08-2007, 01:27 PM
Excellent post RiverRat - you are the wisest of water-loving rodents and all you say is true! How the scam works is explained in Griffin's book "Creature from Jekyll Time." What we call "depression" the bankers call "shearing time for the sheeple."

BTW, the politician who is offered the Riviera and Baluga caviar in exchange for his political soul is effectively given an offer he cannot refuse; refusal means political extinction at best and mortal extinction at worst!

DBcooper
08-08-2007, 01:35 PM
No tea leaves need be read Mamboni go look at what Carlyle Group have said about the coming selloff and what they plan on purchasing with "pennys on the dollar" worth.

RiverRat
08-08-2007, 02:58 PM
:D Thanks Mamboni...you're dead on.
We read the same books :>)

Yes,the Rothchild empire and England's Central Bank had some inside help engineering the crash...how could they lose ?

This time they're probably turning away applicants instead of recruiting them...so WE ARE DOOMED.

On a conspiracy scale of 1 to 10...the coming engineered stock market crash will register a cool 1000 :>)

Beans and Bullets...it's what's for dinner :D:D:D

Got PMs ?

:rolleyes_m::rolleyes_m::rolleyes_m:

Mined Games
08-08-2007, 04:39 PM
Good thread. River Rat, your post was excellent and hard to refute.

My 2 cents:

I think the original post "Too Much Like 1929" was justified in making comparisons between the roles of England and the US in '29 being somewhat similar to the roles of the US and China in 2007. But River Rat was right when he said that the current situation is a little more complicated than the 1929 scenario.

I think that the forces aligned against the globalist cabal are more potent than many are giving them credit for. The big hitter for the opposition is China, but I feel that Russia would be predisposed to ally itself with China before it sided with the US. And these two military powerhouses are also bolstered by the likes of Iran and Venezuela with their vast energy reserves. I think the nuclear states of India and Pakistan are also resistant to the NWO agenda, and would ally themselves with the anti-globalists. And I also think Brazil with its strong economy could also choose to side with the Russia/China bloc.

Much of this is conjecture, but I feel there is a lot of pent-up resentment around the world which has been fueled from watching the US try to expand its hegemony around the world for the last century or so. In a TSHTF scenario, the economic collapse of the US could leave it especially vulnerable. If the sharks in the water smelled blood, a feeding frenzy could erupt around the US/UK/Israel alliance.

The Argent Dragon
08-08-2007, 05:06 PM
.....Yes,the Rothchild empire and England's Central Bank had some inside help engineering the crash...how could they lose ?.....

FWIW - The Rothchild empire had a net worth of $600 Million in the 1850's

RICHEST FAMILY in the entire WORLD

Now, adjust that figure for inflation and/or purchasing power and what do you get ???

15 TRILLION DOLLARS.......yes, much larger than the paltry net worth of Citibank at 1.6 Trillion which is presumably the largest bank in the world.


So who here thinks the Rothchild's aren't still playing games with us ???
...yes.....we're doomed

:thumpdown

Carl
08-08-2007, 05:19 PM
We're doomed only if we keep playing their game.

I think we're fast approaching the start of a new game, Find the Weasels - Kill the Weasels.


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Got Goldies
08-08-2007, 05:24 PM
Trillioniares

Tally sticks
http://www.reference.com/search?q=tally%20sticks