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bigjon
02-20-2005, 09:37 PM
When Congress borrows money on the credit of the United States, bonds are thus legislated into existence and deposited as credit entries in Federal Reserve banks. United States bonds, bills and notes constitute money as affirmed by the Supreme Court (Legal Tender Cases, 110 U.S. 421), and this money when deposited with the Fed becomes collateral from whence the Treasury may write checks against the credit thus created in its account (12 USC 391). For example, suppose Congress appropriates an expenditure of $1 billion. To finance the appropriation Congress creates the $1 billion worth of bonds out of thin air and deposits it with the privately owned Federal Reserve System. Upon receiving the bonds, the Fed credits $1 billion to the Treasury's checking account, holding the deposited bonds as collateral. When the United States deposits its bonds with the Federal Reserve System, private credit is extended to the Treasury by the Fed. Under its power to borrow money, Congress is authorized by the Constitution to contract debt, and whenever something is borrowed it must be returned. When Congress spends the contracted private credit, each use of credit is debt which must be returned to the lender or Fed. Since Congress authorizes the expenditure of this private credit, the United States incurs the primary obligation to return the borrowed credit, creating a National Debt which results when credit is not returned.

However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters. Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." This is distinguished from a recusable obligation which, according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply.

In 'Brushaber v. Union Pacific RR Co.' 240 U.S. 1 (1916) the Supreme Court affirmed that the federal income tax is in the class of indirect taxes, which include duties and excises. The personal income tax arises from a duty -- i.e., charge or fee -- which is voluntarily incurred and subject to the rule of uniformity. A charge is a duty or obligation, binding upon him who enters into it, which may be removed or taken away by a discharge (performance): 'Bouvier', p. 459. Our federal personal income tax is not really a tax in the ordinary sense of the word but rather a burden or obligation which the taxpayer voluntarily assumes, and the burden of the tax falls upon those who voluntarily use private credit. Simply stated the tax imposed is a charge or fee upon the use of private credit where the amount of private credit used measures the pecuniary obligation. The personal income tax provision of the Internal Revenue Code is private law rather than public law. "A private law is one which is confined to particular individuals, associations, or corporations": 50 Am.Jur. 12, p.28. In the instant case the revenue code pertains to taxpayers. A private law can be enforced by a court of competent jurisdiction when statutes for its enforcement are enacted: 20 Am.Jur. 33, pgs. 58, 59. The distinction between public and private acts is not always sharply defined when published statutes are printed in their final form: Case v. Kelly, 133 U.S. 21 (1890). Statutes creating corporations are private acts: 20 Am.Jur. 35, p. 60. In this connection, the Federal Reserve Act is private law. Federal Reserve banks derive their existence and corporate power from the Federal Reserve Act: Armano v. Federal Reserve Bank, 468 F.Supp. 674 (1979). A private act may be published as a public law when the general public is afforded the opportunity of participating in the operation of the private law. The Internal Revenue Code is an example of private law which does not exclude the voluntary participation of the general public. Had the Internal Revenue Code been written as substantive public law, the code would be repugnant to the Constitution, since no one could be compelled to file a return and thereby become a witness against himself. Under the fifty titles listed on the preface page of the United States Code, the Internal Revenue Code (26 USC) is listed as having not been enacted as substantive public law, conceding that the Internal Revenue Code is private law. Bouvier declares that private law "relates to private matters which do not concern the public at large." It is the voluntary use of private credit which imposes upon the user the quasi contractual or implied obligation to make a return of income. In 'Pollock v. Farmer's Loan & Trust Co.' 158 U.S. 601 (1895) the Supreme Court had declared the income tax of 1894 to be repugnant to the Constitution, holding that taxation of rents, wages and salaries must conform to the rule of apportionment. However, when this decision was rendered, there was no privately owned central bank issuing private credit and currency but rather public money in the form of legal tender notes and coins of the United States circulated. Public money is the lawful money of the United States which the Constitution authorizes Congress to issue, conferring a property right, whereas the private credit issued by the Fed is neither money nor property, permitting the user an equitable interest but denying allodial title.

Today, we have two competing monetary systems. The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States notes and coins. One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income. Under 26 USC 7609 the IRS has carte blanche authority to summon and investigate bank records for the purpose of determining tax liabilities or discovering unknown taxpayers: 'United States v. Berg' 636 F.2d 203 (1980). If an investigation of bank records discloses an excess of $1000 in deposits in a single year, the IRS may accept this as prima facie evidence that the account holder uses private credit and is therefore a person obligated to make a return of income. Anyone who uses private credit -- e.g., bank accounts, credit cards, mortgages, etc. -- voluntarily plugs himself into the system and obligates himself to file. A taxpayer is allowed to claim a $1000 personal deduction when filing his return. The average taxpayer in the course of a year uses United States coins in vending machines, parking meters, small change, etc., and this public money must be deducted when computing the charge for using private credit.

On June 5, 1933, the day of infamy arrived. Congress on that date enacted House Joint Resolution 192, which provided that the people convert or turn in their gold coins in exchange for Federal Reserve notes. Through the operation of law, H.J.R. 192 took us off the gold standard and placed us on the dollar standard where the dollar could be manipulated by private interests for their self-serving benefit. By this single act the people and their wealth were delivered to the bankers. When gold coinage was thus pulled out of circulation, large denomination Federal Reserve notes were issued to fill the void. As a consequence the public money supply in circulation was greatly diminished, and the debt-laden private credit of the Fed gained supremacy. This action made private individuals who had been previously exempt from federal income taxes now liable for them, since the general public began consuming and using large amounts of private credit. Notice all the case law prior to 1933 which affirms that income is a profit or gain which arises from a government granted privilege. After 1933, however, the case law no longer emphatically declares that income is exclusively corporate profit or that it arises from a privilege. So, what changed? Two years after H.J.R. 192, Congress passed the Social Security Act, which the Supreme Court upheld as a valid act imposing a valid income tax: 'Charles C. Steward Mach. Co. v, Davis' 301 U.S. 548 (1937).

It is no accident that the United States is without a dollar unit coin. In recent years the Eisenhower dollar coin received widespread acceptance, but the Treasury minted them in limited number which encouraged hoarding. This same fate befell the Kennedy half dollars, which circulated as silver sandwiched clads between 1965-1969 and were hoarded for their intrinsic value and not spent. Next came the Susan B. Anthony dollar, an awkward coin which was instantly rejected as planned. The remaining unit is the privately issued Federal Reserve note unit dollar with no viable competitors. Back in 1935 the Fed had persuaded the Treasury to discontinue minting silver dollars because the public preferred them over dollar bills. That the public money system has become awkward, discouraging its use, is no accident. It was planned that way.

A major purpose behind the 16th Amendment was to give Congress authority to enforce private law collections of revenue. Congress had the plenary power to collect income taxes arising from government granted privileges long before the 16th Amendment was ratified, and the amendment was unnecessary, except to give Congress the added power to enforce collections under private law: i.e., income from whatever source. So, the Fed got its amendment and its private income tax, which is a banker's dream but a nightmare for everyone else. Through the combined operation of the Fed and H.J.R. 192, the United States pays exorbitant interest whenever it uses its own money deposited with the Fed, and the people pay outrageous income taxes for the privilege of living and working in their own country, robbed of their wealth and separated from their rights, laboring under a tax system written by a cabal of loan shark bankers and rubber stamped by a spineless Congress.

Congress has the power to abolish the Federal Reserve System and thus destroy the private credit system. However, the people have it within their power to strip the Fed of its powers, rescind private credit and get the bankers to pay off the National Debt should Congress fail to act. The key to all this is 12 USC 411, which declares that Federal Reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful money at any Federal Reserve bank. Lawful money is defined as all the coins, notes, bills, bonds and securities of the United States: 'Julliard v. Greenman' 110 U.S. 421, 448 (1884); whereas public money is the lawful money declared by Congress as a legal tender for debts (31 USC 5103); 524 F.2d 629 (1974). Anyone can present Federal Reserve notes to any Federal Reserve bank and demand redemption in public money -- i.e., legal tender United States notes and coins. A Federal Reserve note is a fixed obligation or evidence of indebtedness which pledges redemption (12 USC 411) in public money to the note holder. The Fed maintains a ready supply of United States notes in hundred dollar denominations for redemption purposes should it be required, and coins are available to satisfy claims for smaller amounts. However, should the general public decide to redeem large amounts of private credit for public money, a financial melt-down within the Fed would quickly occur. The process works like this. Suppose $1000 in Federal Reserve notes are presented for redemption in public money. To raise $1000 in public money the Fed must surrender U.S. Bonds in that amount to the Treasury in exchange for the public money demanded (assuming that the Fed had no public money on hand). In so doing $1000 of the National Debt would be paid off by the Fed and thus canceled. Can you imagine the result if large amounts of Federal Reserve notes were redeemed on a regular, ongoing basis? Private credit would be withdrawn from circulation and replaced with public money, and with each turning of the screw the Fed would be obliged to pay off more of the National Debt. Should the Fed refuse to redeem its notes in public money, then the fiction that private credit is used voluntarily would become unsustainable. If the use of private credit becomes compulsory, then the obligation to make a return of income is voided. If the Fed is under no obligation to redeem its notes, then no one has an obligation to make a return of income. It is that simple! Federal Reserve notes are not money and cannot be tendered when money is demanded: 105 So. 305 (1925). Moreover, the Ninth Circuit rejected the argument that a $50 Federal Reserve note be redeemed in gold or silver coin after specie coinage had been rescinded but upheld the right of the note holder to redeem his note in current public money (31 USC 392; rev., 5103): 524 F.2d 629 (1974); 12 USC 411.

It would be advantageous to close out all bank accounts, acquire a home safe, settle all debts in cash with public money and use U.S. postal money orders for remittances. Whenever a check is received, present it to the bank of issue and demand cash in public money. This will place banks in a vulnerable position, forcing them to draw off their assets. Through their insatiable greed, bankers have over extended, making banks quite illiquid. Should the people suddenly demand public money for their deposits and for checks received, many banks will collapse and be foreclosed by those demanding public money. Banks by their very nature are citadels of usury and sin, and the most patriotic service one could perform is to obligate bankers to redeem private credit. When the first Federal Reserve note is presented to the Fed for redemption, the process of ousting the private credit system will commence and will not end until the Fed and the banking system nurtured by it collapse. Coins comprise less than five percent of the currency, and current law limits the amount of United States notes in circulation to $300 million (31 USC 5115). The private credit system is exceedingly over extended compared with the supply of public money, and a small minority working in concert can easily collapse the private credit system and oust the Fed by demanding redemption of private credit. If the Fed disappeared tomorrow, income taxes on wages and salaries would vanish with it. Moreover, the States are precluded from taxing United States notes: 4 Wheat. 316. According to Bouvier, public money is the money which Congress can tax for public purposes mandated by the Constitution. Private credit when collected in revenue can fund programs and be spent for purposes not cognizable by the Constitution. We have in effect two competing governments: the United States Government and the Federal Government. The first is the government of the people, whereas the Federal Government is founded upon private law and funded by private credit. What we really have is private government. Federal agencies and activities funded by the private credit system include Social Security, bail out loans to bankers via the IMF, bail out loans to Chrysler, loans to students, FDIC, FBI, supporting the U.N., foreign aid, funding undeclared wars, etc., all of which would be unsustainable if funded by taxes raised pursuant to the Constitution. The personal income tax is not a true tax but rather an obligation or burden which is voluntarily assumed, since revenue is raised through voluntary contributions and can be spent for purposes unknown to the Constitution. Notice how the IRS declares in its publications that everyone is expected to contribute his fair share. True taxes must be spent for public purposes which the Constitution recognizes. Taxation for the purpose of giving or loaning money to private business enterprises and individuals is illegal: 15 Am.Rep. 39; Cooley, 'Prin. Const. Law', ch. IV. Revenue derived from the federal income tax goes into a private slush fund raised from voluntary contributions, and Congress is not restricted by the Constitution when spending or disbursing the proceeds from this private fund. It is incorrect to say that the personal federal income tax is unconstitutional, since the tax code is private law and resides outside the Constitution. The Internal Revenue Code is non-constitutional because it enforces an obligation which is voluntarily incurred through an act of the individual who binds himself. Fighting the Internal Revenue Code on constitutional grounds is wasted energy. The way to bring it all down is to attack the Federal Reserve System and its banking cohorts by demanding that private credit be redeemed, or by convincing Congress to abolish the Fed. Never forget that private credit is funding the destruction of our country. [Reprinted from `Freedom League', Sept/Oct 1984]



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Halophyte
02-21-2005, 12:32 AM
It is also my assumption that bi-metal coins are lawful money backed by Treasury liability. Converting to coin from paper also puts the pressure on the Fed. U.S. Postal Money Orders tie up Treasury assets as well.

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JCarvingblock
08-25-2006, 10:52 AM
This post, found at Sui Juris points directly to the seigniorage problem.

When a population uses for money pieces of paper to which value is attached by their offerings of commodities, finished products, and intellectual and physical labor measured in time, then when these pieces of paper are printed and put into circulation; then the process needs to ascribe the value of these pieces of paper to the people - collectively and singularly.

This is the crux of the seigniorage question. Prof. Auriti of Italy who really brought this question to my awareness died a short time back. Explore his piece THE OWNERSHIP OF MONEY AND INDUCTION OF VALUE which is now found at many locations on the net. http://www.moneymaker.com/italy/lire-1e.htm

This thread: http://www.suijuris.net/forum/articles-news/7970-private-credit-public-money.html
deviates somewhat from this thread topic, but should make the aware reader more aware of how the seigniorage problem makes it impossible to ever totally pay off the debt.

The value of the pieces of paper has been stolen by the printer.

The problem extends well beyond only the paper currency. When the money exists as electronic entries on a computer, the theft of the original value is still taking place.

Furthermore, the larger theft is in the form of government bonds and treasury notes. If this isn't obvious to you, read what Thomas Edison and Henry Ford said about bonds for the Muscle Shoals dam project:
http://www.prosperityuk.com/prosperity/articles/edison.html

Using treasury notes rather than federal reserve notes would be a significant improvement upon the present situation but not in my opinion the best or final solution.


Carver

JCarvingblock
08-25-2006, 10:58 AM
I downloaded that audio mp3 file of a computer reading the original post.

If you can tolerate that sing-song sound of a computer reading text, here it is: http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Federal_Reserve_System.mp3

Twenty minutes long and perhaps something you can hand to a friend. I have software to burn mp3 files to standard audio CDs, and it is one way to educate the unwashed masses.

Carver

JCarvingblock
08-25-2006, 11:21 AM
Now, either do a search for "Notes of Debt are not Income" which is found all over the place, or simply go here: http://www.mayanmajix.com/art_dt.html and get the html version: http://www.wealth4freedom.com/money/nod.htm

[edit to add: Kevin Hines, who claims to be an ex-banker and who is associated with the Republic of Texas group, says "notes of debt..." is flawed and he will help you rectifiy errors for $30 or $45 if you need the rubber stamp. See: http://beam.to/tapes ]

It can be found in pdf version some places.

Once you start to understand this, look at this image file of an affidavit. This could become a template and rewritten for your own use:

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/attachments/articles-news/1782-private-credit-public-money-affidavit-public-money.jpg?d=1155099156

If that won't open for you, private email me and I will send the image file.

Carver

Goldhedge
08-25-2006, 12:07 PM
We need to start with the Federal Department of Education so we can brainwash the masses into believing that US Treasury Notes are money.

However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters.
Where is our choice?

Today, we have two competing monetary systems. The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States notes and coins. One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income.

Buy silver and gold.

JCarvingblock
08-25-2006, 01:13 PM
I don't draw my conclusions from empty air nor from generally accepted public perceptions.

I am loosely associated with Thomas Greco and the website http://www.reinventingmoney.com

I have a small library and have read the books. Previous reading of Hayek's DENATIONALIZATION OF MONEY and George Selgin's 1988 book on free banking lead me to believe that Scottish banks had somehow solved the "borrow ten - repay eleven" conundrum that everyone who looks at the compounding debt problem caused by positive interest causes.

Then, Greco sent me a CD. The CD contains image files of a book written in England about 1864 +/- and is direct information about the Scottish banking system. (Book found its way to Germany where someone scanned the pages, burned them to CD and sent the CD to Greco) Anyway, what has been presented by Hayek and Selgin as a period of time when banking was quite stable proves out to be another episode illustrating the same old pattern of debt repudiation, excess issue of unbacked bonds, and consolidation of banks with English banks often the consolidators. What stability the Scottish banks had was partially due to a no redemption in gold coin policy they had caused to be written in law.

Currently I believe Antal Fekete is closest to the truth with his real bills doctrine with one exception. Substitute ideas you may have about gold being the final money and insert "insurance and performance bonds."

Here is the crux of my argument. Money is an act of communication carried from human to human via contracts and symbols that allow humans to exchange real things by proxy. The role of the banker during periods of monetary stability due to gold held as deposits was a "trusted intermediary" where the outstanding contracts were the actual money in circulation and where the gold was furnishing a reference standard and also simultaneously serving as a performance bond keeping the players honest.

The gold was never all of the money! The circulating contracts to deliver value upon demand were the real money and that is why Fekete is very close to the truth.

Once we can fully understand how anything of easy frangibility and with a wide market can fill the performance bond role and how the banker [should] operate as an agent to value creators and how the "trusted intermediary" role is an agency, all of the UCC begins to make more sense.

I am very much in favor of free banking operating in competition; centralized banking and centralized power are a symbiotic pair. Neither can exist without the other. All control freaks of the fascist, socialist, communist varieties agree that the fifth plank of the communist manifesto is true and necessary - that your credit is the property of the state and only licensed banks shall be empowered to hypothecate that credit into medium of exchange.

The conceptual memeplex that only gold or only silver or only some combination of precious metals can serve as money is the mind-trap that keeps everyone on the merry-go-round.

Money is a communication of information via contracts and symbols that allow humans to exchange real things by proxy.

I've got more, but other business to attend to and with that will sign off for today.

Anty Ep
08-25-2006, 11:37 PM
I studied Scottish banking a little while and found it intrguing. Private currencies as well. Now you are on to something I would like to hear more about.

Halophyte
08-26-2006, 02:04 AM
You can start by dumping your virtual money, digital worth and cash it out in public currency.

I'm being nice.

Here's a freebie ..... buy a chit load of nickels ... the old and wise zionist are selling them for 40% less than it cost to make them .... :haha:

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David Merrill
09-03-2006, 06:58 PM
I downloaded that audio mp3 file of a computer reading the original post.

If you can tolerate that sing-song sound of a computer reading text, here it is: http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Federal_Reserve_System.mp3

Twenty minutes long and perhaps something you can hand to a friend. I have software to burn mp3 files to standard audio CDs, and it is one way to educate the unwashed masses.

Carver


I am glad people are using that MP3 file. I transcribed it so people can listen while they read the article. Shoonra on suijuris said something that really helped me put this together - that helped it snap into place.

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Federal_Reserve_System.mp3 (http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Federal_Reserve_System.mp3)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/articles-news/7970-private-credit-public-money.html (http://www.suijuris.net/forum/articles-news/7970-private-credit-public-money.html)<o:p></o:p>

First I will tell you that for years I have been telling suitors to write or stamp - "Deposited for credit on account or exchanged for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of equal value."

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_affidavit_of_public_money.jpg (http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_affidavit_of_public_money.jpg)<o:p></o:p>

This particular suitor got a full withholdings Refund from the State and he is a state employee! That is how sacred the right to public money is. In fact the Federal Reserve Act in its form over the decades would be quite unlawful if the option to use public money instead of private credit was non-extant.

The strict reading of the law has misguided the author into believing one can walk into a Federal Reserve Bank and exchange FRNs for USNs (not US Treasury Notes*). Well a lot of people have tried that and they find out that they just walk out with the same amount of Federal Reserve Notes. FRNs double for USNs since early in 1971:

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.html (http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.html)
read the bottom paragraph

What Shoonra said I am grateful for helped define negotiable. She said that Federal Reserve Notes are non-negotiable because they are in their highest form. Federal Reserve Notes cannot be exchanged for a higher form of currency (legal tender). So if you are at a bank counter and you fail to endorse private credit by specifying non-negotiable FRNs you are effectively receiving public money USNs in the form of FRNs.

Before she said this I was thinking more in terms that I would not be fooling anybody into thinking the FRNs were negotiable (money). This did not form a complete logical picture because USNs are no more money than FRNs. USNs are simply domestic emergency currency while FRNs are foreign (IMF/UN) emergency currency.


It is nice to be back here,

David Merrill.

* It may be possible to buy US Treasury Notes at a FRBank but do not mix them up. United States Notes and US Treasury Notes (bonds) are different instruments.

P.S. I see what happened. Whoever imported the article called the instruments US treasury notes when the subject is United States notes. That will throw you for a nonsensical twirl - Admin should take the liberty to fix that title!

Ardent Listener
09-03-2006, 08:38 PM
Picture of a Treasury Note.

JCarvingblock
10-16-2006, 05:02 PM
Two new threads are now on the Sui Juris site on this topic. This one started September nine, 2006: http://www.suijuris.net/forum/asset-protection-estate-planning/9421-public-money-right-direct-experiences-please.html
this one has 76 posts at this time.

The second thread started earlier: http://www.suijuris.net/forum/asset-protection-estate-planning/9327-judge-roy-beans-deceptive-blog.html

FYI from Carver

Abouthadit
10-16-2006, 06:51 PM
Bigjon and everyone else too. This is an incredible eye opener, especially the part where I read that a state employee was refunded 100% of their withholding. Other that the image of a 2 dollar bill with a red seal, nowhere else have I learned exactly what is a United States Note. I am like a babe in the woods here and am very anxious to learn more. So, what are the different forms of legal tender other than FRNs?

The Great Ag
10-16-2006, 09:29 PM
Bigjon and everyone else too. This is an incredible eye opener, especially the part where I read that a state employee was refunded 100% of their withholding. Other that the image of a 2 dollar bill with a red seal, nowhere else have I learned exactly what is a United States Note. I am like a babe in the woods here and am very anxious to learn more. So, what are the different forms of legal tender other than FRNs?

From my own limited knowledge, I believe that FRTs (FRNs but I call them FRTs federal reserve tokens) are the only legal tender, i.e. only FRTs can be used to pay taxes and all debts public and private.

There are many forms of money, notes, bonds, PMs and whatever 2 or more people agree to accept as a medium of exchange. Each form of money may be used at the appropriate time in accordance to the UCC, uniform commercial code. Sukhoi and Halophyte know the UCC much better than I.

FYI a note is defined as, "an instrument containing an express and absolute promise of signer to pay to a specified person a definite sum of money at a specified time." Blacks Law dictionary 5th edition.

Hope this is useful.

The Great Ag

Abouthadit
10-16-2006, 11:27 PM
From my own limited knowledge, I believe that FRTs (FRNs but I call them FRTs federal reserve tokens) are the only legal tender, i.e. only FRTs can be used to pay taxes and all debts public and private.

There are many forms of money, notes, bonds, PMs and whatever 2 or more people agree to accept as a medium of exchange. Each form of money may be used at the appropriate time in accordance to the UCC, uniform commercial code. Sukhoi and Halophyte know the UCC much better than I.

FYI a note is defined as, "an instrument containing an express and absolute promise of signer to pay to a specified person a definite sum of money at a specified time." Blacks Law dictionary 5th edition.

Hope this is useful.

The Great Ag

Thanks TGA. What I was hoping for were specific examples of what to ask for when I take my FRN to a fed bank and demand an exchange... for what? What exactly is a FRT? are you speaking of coinage containing silver minted by the US govt? If so, then we are all out of luck. Who is going to spend a dollars worth of 90% or even 40% for that matter, on a dollar's worth of debt? As I understand this, we are to even exit the banking system because any use of private money,eg FRNs from the fed, makes us liable for the debt of which an FRN refers to. I understand the definition, but what exactly are the alternatives, legal tender that is- barter not withstanding, such as the $2 dollar bill, etc? Are we demanding that only US notes with the red seal be provided in lieu of FRNs? Thanks in advance.

Worldmariner
10-17-2006, 12:18 AM
Thanks TGA. What I was hoping for were specific examples of what to ask for when I take my FRN to a fed bank and demand an exchange... for what? What exactly is a FRT? are you speaking of coinage containing silver minted by the US govt? If so, then we are all out of luck. Who is going to spend a dollars worth of 90% or even 40% for that matter, on a dollar's worth of debt? As I understand this, we are to even exit the banking system because any use of private money,eg FRNs from the fed, makes us liable for the debt of which an FRN refers to. I understand the definition, but what exactly are the alternatives, legal tender that is- barter not withstanding, such as the $2 dollar bill, etc? Are we demanding that only US notes with the red seal be provided in lieu of FRNs? Thanks in advance.

You can no longer trade in your FRNs for anything but more FRNs. That is the scam. An FRN is fully redeemable for... another FRN.

Abouthadit
10-17-2006, 12:27 AM
You can no longer trade in your FRNs for anything but more FRNs. That is the scam. An FRN is fully redeemable for... another FRN.

Crapolla.
:frown: :thumpdown :bawling:

bigjon
10-17-2006, 01:23 AM
From Barnacle Bob's sig.

"Federal reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, or at any Federal Reserve bank.-USC Title 12 Chapter 3, Section 411

bigjon
10-17-2006, 01:28 AM
thanks David Merrill

P.S. I see what happened. Whoever imported the article called the instruments US treasury notes when the subject is United States notes. That will throw you for a nonsensical twirl - Admin should take the liberty to fix that title!

I tried but all I managed was to change the title of the post, but that had no effect on the the title of the thread. Need a higher power here.

mamboni
10-17-2006, 01:33 AM
I read the first post - got a mild headache - and came away with a primitive comprehension of it. The concentrated legaleze is hard to digest: I'm a doctor not a lawyer, to paraphrase 'Bones.' So, based on all the subsequent posts, am I wrong in concluding that the only option left is to convert FRNs into physical silver and gold, at the prevailing conversion rate?

Abouthadit
10-17-2006, 01:29 PM
From Barnacle Bob's sig.
"Federal reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, or at any Federal Reserve bank.-USC Title 12 Chapter 3, Section 411

So when you show up and demand "lawful money" they try to hand you more FRNS, then you say, "no, what I want are ________". What goes in the blank?

bigjon
10-17-2006, 05:50 PM
I read the first post - got a mild headache - and came away with a primitive comprehension of it. The concentrated legaleze is hard to digest: I'm a doctor not a lawyer, to paraphrase 'Bones.' So, based on all the subsequent posts, am I wrong in concluding that the only option left is to convert FRNs into physical silver and gold, at the prevailing conversion rate?

That is just one option to safeguard your own wealth.

The larger issue is spelled out by David Merrill's posts and that is the access to public money which used to be US notes and now is aquired by using the endorsement that essentially changes the money that you recieve from private credit based money (FRN's) to public money (non-negotiable FRN's).

JCarvingblock
10-29-2006, 12:09 PM
David Merrill update:
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/asset-protection-estate-planning/9421-public-money-right-direct-experiences-please-13.html#post93600

In such simplicity I am hopeful more people will have encouraging experiences to report here...

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Public_Money.wmv

Hopefully that link will be functioning soon. There are problems at 25M in size. After Aaron Russo's film; America - Freedom to Fascism I felt that people needed to understand Congress is not going to do anything. Even Ron Paul will do nothing but gripe. His actions in early 2002 did not even get into the film that I saw:


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So what happened to Ron? From scant intelligence I think he was sat down for lunch and offered his career back - if only he would see sense the way a good Congressman should. Ron Paul could still be Washington DC's rogue Representative as long as it got no further than lip service; no more bills please.


So I attempted to explain the voluntary nature of Private Credit through the Article from the perspective of secular humanism as the jurisdiction. As voluntary as if the Freemasons came to your door offering a blindfold asking if they could please, please hoodwink you...

Regards, David Merrill.

P.S. I will pop a DVD in the mail to Rep Ron Paul today...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve
http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml

JCarvingblock
11-24-2006, 12:29 PM
Discussion continues on this topic at Sui Juris. This thread: http://www.suijuris.net/forum/asset-protection-estate-planning/9421-public-money-right-direct-experiences-please.html is now up to 16 pages with 160 posts as of today (day after Thanksgiving day)

This thread: is now 8 pages and 70 posts. Link:
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/articles-news/7970-private-credit-public-money-8.html#post97513

This fascinating topic about the torn paycheck boiled over to a related thread...


I am more on focusing on the right to public money. A suitor who is a notable author in macroeconomics says:

Hi David:

Before making a fruitless trip to the federal Reserve, I called up the CITY NAME Fed and explained that pursuant to 12 USC § 411 I had the right to redeem Fed notes for United States notes.

The conversation was hilarious. I said that I wanted to redeem Fed Notes for United States notes. No one understood what I was asking. I was asked if I had foreign currency or a certificate of some kind or a bond or treasury bill. I said Fed notes for U.S. notes.

I was turned over to one employee after another until I got to a fourth very senior employee who said he never heard of a United States note and that I could only get other Fed notes for Fed notes.

This senior employee then directed me to call an 800 number and this time the head of the department told me that a law that required the Feds to keep 300 Million Dollars of United States notes for the purpose of redeeming Fed notes was repealed and so they do not keep U.S. notes anymore.

I was then asked to contact the Secretary of the United States if I needed any more information. I sent a certified mail to the Secretary asking him where I can get public money more that a week ago. No response yet.

I suspect the use of Fed notes is mandatory.

I do not think that U.S. Postal Money Orders are public money either. All the legislatures only pass public policy statutes in the interest of the nations creditors following the national bankruptcy.

All of our lives, labor, and property have been secretly and fraudulently (because we did not give power of attorney or consent) pledged by the politicians as surety for the national debt which is in default. We are presumed debtors who voluntarily use private credit to discharge debts thus creating an unrevealed commercial contract with the Fed. government and as a result we are bound by all the public policy statutes which are obligations of that unrevealed commercial contract.

But, every system of law must have a remedy and a recourse or else we are all slaves (in violation of the constitutions)

We all must protest the use of private credit and notes.

I routinely stamp both sides of the Fed notes I use with a red ink stamp USED ONLY BY NECESSITY UNDER PROTEST.

A better stamp would be USED ONLY BY COMPELLED NECESSITY UNDER PROTEST, WITHOUT RECOURSE, & WITHOUT PREJUDICE UCC 1-308.

If we were to file class action suits against state legislatures for FRAUD against its citizenry, their defense will be that they provided us a remedy against their public policy statutes in the UCC @ 1-308 & 1-103.

Most people do not know what to say if asked by a public official what they mean by the phrase "Without prejudice UCC 1-308" in conjunction with their name.

The answer:
Quote:
I, John Doe, have exercised the remedy provided me under the Uniform Commercial Code at Article I, Section 308 whereby I might timely, validly, sufficiently, and explicitly reserve my common law Right not to be bound by, nor be compelled to perform under any contract, commercial agreement, or bankruptcy in which I did not enter intentionally, knowingly, and voluntarily, and by such reservation of Right, I have notified all administrative agencies of federal, state, and local governments that I do not and will not accept the liability associated with the compelled benefits of any such unrevealed contract, commercial agreement, or bankruptcy, especially including but not limited to the use of Federal Reserve notes to discharge debts in equity with limited liability. My use of Federal Reserve notes is not voluntary, is under protest, and is by compelled necessity as a matter of survival only.

When I hear from the Treasury, I will let you know.

Best Regards

True Name. I highlighted a couple things.

Every law system has remedy. True in theory. The suitor suspects that FRNs have become mandatory. At least as I see it, those clauses are somewhat contradictory. In other words, he is saying that one must defeat all presumptions one has no remedy with every signature under contract law (the UCC). I am saying that is a cumbersome obligation.

I want to see it pressed that one not only has the right to public money from the moment they start using the non-endorsement stamp; one can retroactively defend against the presumption of private credit in the first place.

I am sure that if Shoonra was to put her mind to it she could find many Supreme Court cases that declare for all intents and purposes, the party making the presumptions without explicit good faith on the other party's part, is the one who must capitulate should it cause a dispute.

Along these lines:

Quote:
It is that simple! Federal Reserve notes are not money and cannot be tendered when money is demanded: 105 So. 305 (1925). Moreover, the Ninth Circuit rejected the argument that a $50 Federal Reserve note be redeemed in gold or silver coin after specie coinage had been rescinded but upheld the right of the note holder to redeem his note in current public money (31 USC 392; rev., 5103): 524 F.2d 629 (1974); 12 USC 411.

Attached is evidence this is true when read by a trained attorney.


Regards, David Merrill.


P.S. Of course I will be checking the current state of Title 12 (Banking) §411. I admit I have been presuming to this point that code has not been repealed. Even if it has it should guide one clearly to the current remedy in place.

azxcvbnm321
11-25-2006, 06:46 AM
The public vs. private money debate needs more of a historical base so that people can understand the evolution of money. First of all, most of the paper currency in the early United States was of the private type, issued by individual banks. Our first central bank was The First Bank of the United States which operated on a Congressional Charter until Andrew Jackson destroyed it. The First Bank of the United States was also a private bank that issued stocks and was owned by stockholders.

The US government did issue currency through the US Treasury. The last US Treasury Notes were issued in 1971. Anyway, I got the FAQ from the US Treasury Dept. website and listed the important factors below. Federal Reserve Notes were created in 1913 and made legal tender in 1965. So after 1965, all Federal Reserve Notes became "lawful money". I also underlined or put in bold some interesting points.



FAQs: Currency
Legal Tender Status

I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal?

What are Federal Reserve notes and how are they different from United States notes?

What are United States Notes and how are they diferent from Federal Reserve notes?

Question I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal?

Answer The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.

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Question What are Federal Reserve notes and how are they different from United States notes?

Answer Federal Reserve notes are legal tender currency notes. The twelve Federal Reserve Banks issue them into circulation pursuant to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. A commercial bank belonging to the Federal Reserve System can obtain Federal Reserve notes from the Federal Reserve Bank in its district whenever it wishes. It must pay for them in full, dollar for dollar, by drawing down its account with its district Federal Reserve Bank.

Federal Reserve Banks obtain the notes from our Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP). It pays the BEP for the cost of producing the notes, which then become liabilities of the Federal Reserve Banks, and obligations of the United States Government.

Congress has specified that a Federal Reserve Bank must hold collateral equal in value to the Federal Reserve notes that the Bank receives. This collateral is chiefly gold certificates and United States securities. This provides backing for the note issue. The idea was that if the Congress dissolved the Federal Reserve System, the United States would take over the notes (liabilities). This would meet the requirements of Section 411, but the government would also take over the assets, which would be of equal value. Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them.

Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy.

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Question What are United States Notes and how are they different from Federal Reserve notes?

Answer United States Notes (characterized by a red seal and serial number) were the first national currency, authorized by the Legal Tender Act of 1862 and began circulating during the Civil War. The Treasury Department issued these notes directly into circulation, and they are obligations of the United States Government. The issuance of United States Notes is subject to limitations established by Congress. It established a statutory limitation of $300 million on the amount of United States Notes authorized to be outstanding and in circulation. While this was a significant figure in Civil War days, it is now a very small fraction of the total currency in circulation in the United States.

Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971.

The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 authorized the production and circulation of Federal Reserve notes. Although the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) prints these notes, they move into circulation through the Federal Reserve System. They are obligations of both the Federal Reserve System and the United States Government. On Federal Reserve notes, the seals and serial numbers appear in green.

United States notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve notes. As a result, the Treasury Department stopped issuing United States notes, and none have been placed into circulation since January 21, 1971.



Another interesting point is that the collateral the Federal Reserve holds to back up its notes are United States Treasury bonds and other debt. If the Federal Reserve were ever dissolved, the United States would take over its own bonds and thus cancel by that amount, the national debt. The US government can thus reduce its outstanding national debt by having the FED buy bonds from banks or institutions through open market operations. The FED takes possession of the US Treasury Bonds, and issues Federal Reserve Notes to the selller (bank or indidivual entity). That part of the national debt that is bought by the FED is effectively canceled, but more currency is issued. That's called monetizing the debt (exchanging US Govt. debt into currency).

The idea was that if the Congress dissolved the Federal Reserve System, the United States would take over the notes (liabilities). This would meet the requirements of Section 411, but the government would also take over the assets, which would be of equal value. Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them.

Worldmariner
11-25-2006, 01:05 PM
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First I will tell you that for years I have been telling suitors to write or stamp -

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This particular suitor got a full withholdings Refund from the State and he is a state employee! That is how sacred the right to public money is. In fact the Federal Reserve Act in its form over the decades would be quite unlawful if the option to use public money instead of private credit was non-extant. [quote]

I am trying to see what good filing the ffidavit of Truth does WRT to FRNs? He got a refund? Of what? I seem to have totally lost the point here. COuld someone be kind enough to explain in very simple terms why the guy filed this document, and why he received some monies?? Thanks!!

Worldmariner
11-25-2006, 01:17 PM
That is just one option to safeguard your own wealth.

The larger issue is spelled out by David Merrill's posts and that is the access to public money which used to be US notes and now is aquired by using the endorsement that essentially changes the money that you recieve from private credit based money (FRN's) to public money (non-negotiable FRN's).

Changes the FRN into ???? What does that look like? How is the change made? Can you see different money in your hand or is this just a theoretical thing in case you are audited by the IRS, you can show them the endorsements on your paychecks. I mean, what is the purpose of the endorsement? If I hand said endorsed paycheck to my banker, what does the teller hand me in return?

Worldmariner
11-25-2006, 01:24 PM
That is just one option to safeguard your own wealth.

The larger issue is spelled out by David Merrill's posts and that is the access to public money which used to be US notes and now is aquired by using the endorsement that essentially changes the money that you recieve from private credit based money (FRN's) to public money (non-negotiable FRN's).

So... at tax time, you tell the IRS that you have essentially "opted out" of the private money system (and it's related payment obligation) but having endorsed you paystubs with the blurb to convert your money to public money. Ok. What if your company mandates direct deposit? Do you have to make a note on the DD paperwork somewhere stating you want public money vice private FRN money?

azxcvbnm321
11-26-2006, 08:05 AM
You cannot opt out by using a stamp. There is no way to change FRN which are issued by the Federal Reserve, technically a private organization, into US Treasury Notes which are public money. Since the US Govt. stopped issuing US Treasury notes, public money no longer exists other than the coins and older currency/PM coins that are worth far more than their face value.

David Merrill
12-17-2006, 07:28 AM
I read the first post - got a mild headache - and came away with a primitive comprehension of it. The concentrated legaleze is hard to digest: I'm a doctor not a lawyer, to paraphrase 'Bones.' So, based on all the subsequent posts, am I wrong in concluding that the only option left is to convert FRNs into physical silver and gold, at the prevailing conversion rate?

Read along with audio:

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Federal_Reserve_System.mp3 (http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_Federal_Reserve_System.mp3)

No. Handle US Notes in the form of FRNs.

I put the article on DVD and uploaded it to an archiver. It is a little difficult to read the size I uploaded. Sorry. I have been distributing some DVDs to active people in the limelight like Aaron Russo... still waiting.

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_PublicMoney.wmv (http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_PublicMoney.wmv)

I asked a reference librarian and she came up empty:

[Reprinted from `Freedom League', Sept/Oct 1984]

What is this? Is it a magazine? In 1984 that is a little pre-Information Highway so I wonder if I might find the original article archived in a library somewhere?


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S.

From Barnacle Bob's sig.

"Federal reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, or at any Federal Reserve bank.-USC Title 12 Chapter 3, Section 411

I have always admired Barnacle Bob. One suitor (court of competent jurisdiction) is author of a macroeconomics book and upon viewing the video proposed that FRNs are mandatory. True in the physical sense, but not in the metaphysical sense. He called me back on an email as I was before the US Codes and we verified that the redemption is still on the books.

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