Two forms of Government, Two forms of C/citizenship

[BarnacleBob]

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"...but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive,
and the other would accept war rather than let it perish,
and the war came."
Abraham Lincoln, 2nd Inaugural Address
4 March 1865

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And The War Came April 7 - 12, 1861 (http://www.tulane.edu/~sumter/AndTheWarCame/AndTheWarCame_intro.html)

When the Southern states (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csa.htm) walked out of Congress on March 27, 1861, the quorum (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxii.html) to conduct business under the Constitution was lost. The only votes that Congress could lawfully take, under Parliamentary Law (http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/p1/parliame.asp), were those to set the time to reconvene, take a vote to get a quorum, and vote to adjourn and set a date, time, and place to reconvene at a later time (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section5), but instead, Congress abandoned the House and Senate without setting a date to reconvene. Under the parliamentary law of Congress, when this happened, Congress became sine die (http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s049.htm) (pronounced see-na dee-a; literally "without day") and thus when Congress adjourned sine die, it ceased to exist as a lawful deliberative body, and the only lawful, constitutional power that could declare war was no longer lawful, or in session.

The Southern states, by virtue of their secession (http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Jefferson_Davis_Farewell.htm) from the Union, also ceased to exist sine die, and some state legislatures in the Northern bloc also adjourned sine die, and thus, all the states which were parties to creating the Constitution ceased to exist. President Lincoln executed the first executive order written by any President on April 15, 1861, Executive Order 1 (http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/proc-1.htm), and the nation has been ruled by the President under executive order ever since. When Congress eventually did reconvene, it was reconvened under the military authority of the Commander-in-Chief (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/commander%20in%20chief) and not by Rules of Order for Parliamentary bodies or by Constitutional Law; placing the American people under martial rule (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html) ever since that national emergency (http://usmilitary.about.com/library/glossary/n/bldef04195.htm) declared by President Lincoln. The Constitution for the United States of America (http://www.universalway.org/constitution.html) temporarily ceased to be the law of the land, and the President, Congress, and the Courts unlawfully presumed that they were free to remake the nation in their own image, whereas, lawfully, no constitutional provisions were in place which afforded power to any of the actions which were taken which presumed to place the nation under the new form of control.

President Lincoln knew that he had no authority to issue any executive order, and thus he commissioned General Orders No. 100 (http://www.tufts.edu/departments/fletcher/multi/texts/historical/LIEBER-CODE.txt) (April 24, 1863) as a special field code to govern his actions under martial law and which justified the seizure of power, which extended the laws of the District of Columbia (http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Washington,_DC), and which fictionally implemented the provisions of Article I, Section 8, Clauses 17-18 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8) of the Constitution beyond the boundaries of Washington, D.C. (http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/District_of_Columbia_%28geography%29) and into the several states (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/slg/explanation-constitution.phtml). General Orders No. 100 (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lieber.htm), also called the Lieber Instructions (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lieber.htm) and the Lieber Code (http://usa-the-republic.com/emergency%20powers/lieber%20code.html), extended The Laws of War (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/lawwar.htm) and International Law (http://www.bitpipe.com/tlist/International-Law.html) onto American soil, and the United States government (http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html) became the presumed conqueror of the people and the land.

Martial rule was kept secret and has never ended, the nation has been ruled under Military Law (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:military+law) by the Commander of Chief of that military; the President, under his assumed executive powers and according to his executive orders (http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/disposition_tables.html). Constitutional law under the original Constitution is enforced only as a matter of keeping the public peace under the provisions of General Orders No. 100 under martial rule. Under Martial Law, title is a mere fiction, since all property belongs to the military except for that property which the Commander-in-Chief may, in his benevolence, exempt from taxation and seizure and upon which he allows the enemy to reside (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/femalist.htm).

President Lincoln was assassinated before he could complete plans for reestablishing constitutional government in the Southern States and end the martial rule by executive order, and the 14th Article in Amendment (http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html) to the Constitution created a new citizenship status (http://centre.telemanage.ca/links.nsf/articles/C33C98E582071B7F85256969004E3803) for the new expanded jurisdiction. New laws for the District of Columbia were established and passed by Congress in 1871, supplanting those established Feb. 27, 1801 and May 3, 1802 (http://www.shgresources.com/dc/history/). The District of Columbia was re-incorporated in 1872 (http://www.shgresources.com/dc/timeline/), and all states in the Union were reformed as Franchisees of the Federal Corporation (http://www.highvibrations.org/archive2/uscitizn.htm) so that a new Union of the United States (http://edusolution.com/myclassroom/classnotes/reconstruction/reconstruction.htm) could be created. The key to when the states became Federal Franchisees is related to the date when such states enacted the Field Code in law. The Field Code was a codification of the common law that was adopted first by New York and then by California in 1872, and shortly afterwards the Lieber Code was used to bring the United States into the 1874 Brussels Conference (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/0/42f78058babf9c51c12563cd002d6659?OpenDocument) and into the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 (http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/hague.html).

In 1917, the Trading with the Enemy Act (http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50a/usc_sup_05_50_10_sq1_20_sq1.html) (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917) was passed and which defined, regulated and punished trading with enemies, who were then required by that act to be licensed by the government to do business. The National Banking System Act (Public Law 73-1, 73rd Congress, Session I, Chapter 1, March 9, 1933), Executive Proclamation 2038 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=2) (March 6, 1933), Executive Proclamation 2039 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=8) (March 9, 1933), and Executive Orders 6073 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=13), 6102 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=34), 6111 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=43) and 6260 (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=131) prove that in 1933, the United States Government formed under the executive privilege (http://usa-the-republic.com/emergency%20powers/United%20States%20Bankrupt.html) of the original martial rule went bankrupt (http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html), and a new state of national emergency (http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000095----000-.html) was declared under which United States citizens were named as the enemy to the government and the banking system as per the provisions of the Trading with the Enemy Act (http://www.conservativeusa.org/eo/1917/enemy.htm).

The legal system provided for in the Constitution was formally changed in 1938 through the Supreme Court decision in the case of Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins, 304 US 64, 82 L.Ed. 1188. (http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/display.html?terms=railroad&url=/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0304_0064_ZO.html)

On April 25, 1938, the Supreme Court overturned the standing precedents of the prior 150 years concerning "COMMON LAW (http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/112/)" in the federal government.


"THERE IS NO FEDERAL COMMON LAW, AND CONGRESS HAS NO POWER TO DECLARE SUBSTANTIVE RULES OF COMMON LAW applicable IN A STATE, WHETHER they be LOCAL or GENERAL in their nature, be they COMMERCIAL LAW or a part of LAW OF TORTS." (See: ERIE RAILROAD CO. vs. THOMPKINS, 304 U.S. 64, 82 L. Ed. 1188 (supra))

The significance is that since the Erie Decision, no cases are allowed to be cited that are prior to 1938. There can be no mixing of the old law with the new law. The Common Law is the fountain source of Substantive and Remedial Rights, if not our very Liberties. (See also: Who is Running America? (http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html))

In 1945 the United States gave up any remaining national sovereignty when it signed the United Nations Treaty, making all American citizens subject to United Nations jurisdiction. The "constitution" of the United Nations (http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/) may be compared to that of the old Soviet Union (http://www.uni-wuerzburg.de/law/r100000_.html).

Observations - Arguments which suggest that the Treaty of Paris of 1783 (http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/paris/text.html) was not a lawful or legal treaty of peace between warring nations and that the American Colonies never really attained or obtained lawful or legal sovereignty (http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/), must also presume, by their own argument, that the Constitution for the united States of America (http://www.universalway.org/constitution.html) and the Bill of Rights (http://www.universalway.org/billofrights.html) were never organic documents of true lawful or legal standing.

Conclusion - The Constitution for the united States of America and the Bill of Rights are no longer in effect in their original form or where they conflict with the United Nations Treaty and other international agreements. Citizens of the several States of the Union who were formerly sovereigns (http://www.universalway.org/amerika.html) protected by the common law are now United States citizens and are thus subjects to International Admiralty jurisdiction.


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Now that you know what you are up against, I hope the above data and the linked Senate Report 93-549 (http://www.theawaregroup.com/senatereport93549.htm) causes you to see red, pisses you off enough to start thinking and doing something about it. I am fighting for my freedom and my country, to defend and restore the Constitution, our Nation's Sovereignty, Your Sovereignty, and Mine.

[B]Are You??

http://www.barefootsworld.net/war_ep.html

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All documentation is available through your local government document repository library branch or at the Library of Congress.

Documentation -

Executive Order 1 - http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/proc-1.htm;

General Orders No. 100 (April 24, 1863) "Lieber Code" -
http://www.tufts.edu/departments/fletcher/multi/texts/historical/LIEBER-CODE.txt;

Senate Report 93-549 (93rd Congress, 1st Session, 1973) -
http://www.nidlink.com/~bobhard/war_ep1.html;

The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917);

National Banking System Act (Public Law 73-1, 73rd Congress, Session I, Chapter 1, March 9, 1933);

Executive Proclamation 2038 (March 6, 1933); Executive Proclamation 2039 (March 9, 1933);

Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and 6260;

Title 12 USC, Section 95a - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/12/95.html;

Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins, 304 US 64, 82 L.Ed. 1188;

and the United Nations Treaty.

United States Constitution
Controversies Between Citizens of Different States
http://conlaw.usatoday.findlaw.com/constitution/article03/18.html#t994

Constitution of the Confederate States of America March 11, 1861
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csa.htm

Senate Report 93-549 (93rd Congress, 1st Session, 1973) - http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm

Lincoln Executive Proclamation - http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/proc-1.htm

General Orders No. 100 (April 24, 1863) "Lieber Code" - http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/liebercode.htm

Lieber Code - http://wiretap.area.com/Gopher/Gov/US-Docs/lieber.cod

Lieber Instructions - http://usa-the-republic.com/emergency powers/

A State Senator Explains 14th Amendment Citizenship - http://centre.telemanage.ca/links.nsf/articles/C33C98E582071B7F85256969004E3803

The Story of The Buck Act - http://www.civil-liberties.com/pages/buck.html

The Buck Act - http://usa-the-republic.com/emergency%20powers/buck%20act.html

The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917) - http://www.uhuh.com/laws/donncoll/eo/1917/EO2729A.TXT

The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917) - http://www.conservativeusa.org/eo/1917/enemy.htm

National Banking System Act (Public Law 73-1, 73rd Congress, Session I, Chapter 1, March 9, 1933) - http://www.fourwinds10.com/corner/01-23-03-emergency-powers.html

Bankruptcy Of The United States - http://usa-the-republic.com/emergency%20powers/United%20States%20Bankrupt.html

Executive Proclamation 2038 (March 5, 1933) - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=2

Executive Proclamation 2039 (March 6, 1933) - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=8

Executive Order 6073 - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=13

Executive Order 6102 - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=34

Executive Order 6111 - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=43

Executive Order 6260 - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/pppus.php?admin=032&year=1933&id=131

Title 12 USC, Section 95a - http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/12/95.html

Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins, 304 US 64, 82 L.Ed. 1188

Who is Running America? - http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html

The United Nations Charter - http://www.universalway.org/Foreign/uncharter.html

Constitution of the old Soviet Union - http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/r100000_.html

U.S. Legal History - http://www.stevegartin.com/legalshisory.htm

Executive Order #10995: Seizure of all communications media in the United States.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo10995.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #10997: Seizure of all electric power fuels and minerals, public and private.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo10997.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #10999: Seizure of all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control of highways, seaports and waterways.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo10999.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #11000: Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision including the splitting of families if the government finds it necessary.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo11000.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #11001: Seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, public and private.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo11001.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #11002: Empowered the postmaster general to register all men, women and children in the U.S.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo11002.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #11003: Seizure of all airports and aircraft.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo11003.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #11004: Seizure of all housing and finance authorities to establish Forced Relocation Designated areas to be abandoned as "unsafe."
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo11004.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #11005: Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, public and private.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo11005.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/1962.html

Executive Order #12919: Signs June 3, 1994, by President Clinton. Encompasses all the above executive orders.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/eo12919.htm
http://www.fema.gov/library/eo12919.shtm

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AmericanPresidency.org: Public Papers of the Presidents - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/docs/index.php

U.S. House of Representatives - http://www.house.gov/

U.S. Senate - http://www.senate.gov/

White House - http://www.whitehouse.gov/

Library of Congress - http://www.loc.gov/

Government Printing Office - http://www.access.gpo.gov/

General Accounting Office - http://www.gao.gov/

Federal Judicial Center - http://www.fjc.gov/

Congressional Budget Office - http://www.cbo.gov/

Government Resources - http://www.nttc.edu/resources/government/govresources.asp

January 21, 1861
Jefferson Davis' Farewell
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Jefferson_Davis_Farewell.htm

[Patriot Silver]

Barnacle Bob... Yes, thank you, I'm now T-totally pissed off and seeing red. I plan on reading all those links.

I was so totally "dumbed down" by our government schools, that only now in my late 40's am I learning our true history. Thanks to people like you, I'm re-learning the truth. My teeth hurt from grinding them in anger.

Mention this information to anyone nowadays and they say, "Oh really, I didn't know that." and then dismiss it. They don't want to be educated.

We are so royally screwed right now, I don't know if we'll be able to come out of this without taking up arms.

Martial Law and the Police State is already here and under this present administration it is gaining momentum and few people understand it.

I've awaken a few people, but not as many as I wish I could. I guess more will wake up as the situation here erodes further.

Anyway, thanks!

[MooseDog]

American law is built as a kind of "contract" between the citizen and the government (and where the citizen's juridical status is given that of a "corporation"), no one ever signed the constitution.

There really is no constitution or citizen. My understanding is that no law is applicable to an individual.
http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/archive.html (http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/archive.html)

[Cash1968]

American law is built as a kind of "contract" between the citizen and the government (and where the citizen's juridical status is given that of a "corporation"), no one ever signed the constitution.

There really is no constitution or citizen. My understanding is that no law is applicable to an individual.
http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/archive.html (http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/archive.html)

Hi,

i agree ...

but do not forget: better unperfect law than anarchy:)

[Ragnarok]

Thank you for posting that!!! This is what makes the internet truly "golden". :ARMS1:

I'm going to post some snips from the report in the main forum as a heads up.

Ragnarok

[Carl]

American law is built as a kind of "contract" between the citizen and the government (and where the citizen's juridical status is given that of a "corporation"), no one ever signed the constitution.

There really is no constitution or citizen. My understanding is that no law is applicable to an individual.
http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/archive.html (http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com/archive.html)

cough, cough, BULSHIT, cough.....

[Halophyte]

cough, cough, BULSHIT, cough.....

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


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[Carl]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


.What law are you referring to? MooseDog's link leads to a, what appears to be, anarcho-libertarian site where they rant on about their, stretched to the limits, opinions of what they perceive "is" and what they desire it to be.


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[Halophyte]

American law is built as a kind of "contract" between the citizen and the government (and where the citizen's juridical status is given that of a "corporation"), no one ever signed the constitution.

Exactly, the constitution gives all real people (flesh and blood) the right to contract but it does not give fictitious entities the right to contract with real people of flesh and blood.

Therefore, the status of "citizenship" is to recieve a corporate name (a strawman) to enter into contract with the fictitous corporate government that was created in 1869.

There really is no constitution or citizen. My understanding is that no law is applicable to an individual.

True, there is no contractual law that applies to the flesh and blood. Citizenship is a fictitous entity of commerce - it is not real.

The constitution is an agreement between fictitoius entities of the several states. That agreement was to limit the imposition of government upon the rights of the flesh and blood man - the law of the land.

Contractual law is commerce, the law of the high seas - this applies to your strawman corporate entity - your citizenship in corporate government.

If you refuse to establish who you are in court, you will be subject to corporate law and all the contracts you signed without reservations of common law rights ...... then you have no constitutional rights, the courts have unlimited control of commerce over you.

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[Carl]

Exactly, the constitution gives all real people (flesh and blood) the right to contract but it does not give fictitious entities the right to contract with real people of flesh and blood.

Therefore, the status of "citizenship" is to recieve a corporate name (a strawman) to enter into contract with the fictitous corporate government that was created in 1869.



True, there is no contractual law that applies to the flesh and blood. Citizenship is a fictitous entity of commerce - it is not real.

The constitution is an agreement between fictitoius entities of the several states. That agreement was to limit the imposition of government upon the rights of the flesh and blood man - the law of the land.

Contractual law is commerce, the law of the high seas - this applies to your strawman corporate entity - your citizenship in corporate government.

If you refuse to establish who you are in court, you will be subject to corporate law and all the contracts you signed without reservations of common law rights ...... then you have no constitutional rights, the courts have unlimited control of commerce over you.

.This is what it was turned into, not what it was to begin with. The Constitution is a summation of philosophical, moral and lawful principles that coalesced into the creation of a nation. And as I stated in another thread; "that it was representatives of state's governments that created it, does not alter who it is for or what it was intended to achieve." That what they created was real, I have no doubts. That you wish to destroy this current government, that too, I have no doubts. That you wish to take the Constitution down with it, I would have to draw the line.

Bad mouth the government all you want, but leave our Constitution alone.


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[Halophyte]

You miss the underlying principals involved. The simple truth is the same constitution that protects your birthrights as a flesh and blood man (from the imposition of government) also gave you the right to sell your rights as a citizen. By contract.

Therein lies the confrontation between organic government and corporate government.

And you consider it bad mouthing the constitution ?

Why ?

[Ponce Cuba]

Only those who wants to be slaves obey the "laws" for free man knows what is right or what is wrong by being a free man.

The less laws that there are the more free that you are.

Besides the law is not the same for everyone sinse it favors those with money.

[Carl]

You miss the underlying principals involved. The simple truth is the same constitution that protects your birthrights as a flesh and blood man (from the imposition of government) also gave you the right to sell your rights as a citizen. By contract.

Therein lies the confrontation between organic government and corporate government.

And you consider it bad mouthing the constitution ?

Why ?Help me out here, where exactly in the Constitution does it give me the right to sell my rights, if such a ludicrous proposition could be done?

I think you're adlibbing legalese into the document where there is none to be found, kind of like what the supreme court has been doing over these many years.

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[Halophyte]

Help me out here, where exactly in the Constitution does it give me the right to sell my rights, if such a ludicrous proposition could be done?

I think you're adlibbing legalese into the document where there is none to be found, kind of like what the supreme court has been doing over these many years.

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Article I, Section 10: "No State shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts."



As a free man you have the right to enter into contractual obligations.

You entered a contractual obligation by applying for a Social Security Number.

You entered a contractual obligation by applying for U.S. citizenship in order to recieve SS benefits.

As a U.S. citizen you are required to sign a draft card.

If you did not reserve your rights while signing, you are now under under commerce law of the 1933 bankrupcy reconstruction act, you limited your rights to those contracts.

You are now a limited liability corporate citizen. There is no "law of the land" for you.

There is only the law of commerce, the law of the high seas, you are collateral for the national debt to the bankers as pledged by your government representatives to the private bankers in 1933.

There is no constitutional money in circulation, your government has been in recievership since 1933.

This is why you owe the government a part of the fruits of you labor for the rest of your life.

You gave that right away by contract.

If you want Social Security benefits and Citizenship - you have sold your right to access the organic constitution.

You have sold your birthrights.




Don't feel alone Carl, we were all fooled. Me inclusive.


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[Book]

You entered a contractual obligation by applying for a Social Security Number.

That's horseshit. No contract entered under duress is vaild:

duress (dyʊ'rĭs, dʊ'–, dʊrĕs') , in law, actual or threatened violence or imprisonment, by reason of which a person is forced to enter into an agreement or to perform some other act against his will. The constraint or threat of constraint must have been directed toward the person thus compelled or toward the wife, husband, parent, child, or other near relative of the person compelled. Anyone who makes a contract under duress is entitled to void it and be free of its obligations, but in order to release him from the contract duress must be shown to have overcome his mind and will. However, annoyance and persuasion do not constitute duress. See also coercion (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=r2sv4v9xjhu6?method=4&dsid=2040&dekey=coercion&curtab=2040_1&sbid=lc06b).

Nobody had a "choice" when being assigned a Social Security Number.
:rolleyes:

[Halophyte]

That's horseshit. No contract entered under duress is vaild:

duress (dyʊ'rĭs, dʊ'–, dʊrĕs') , in law, actual or threatened violence or imprisonment, by reason of which a person is forced to enter into an agreement or to perform some other act against his will. The constraint or threat of constraint must have been directed toward the person thus compelled or toward the wife, husband, parent, child, or other near relative of the person compelled. Anyone who makes a contract under duress is entitled to void it and be free of its obligations, but in order to release him from the contract duress must be shown to have overcome his mind and will. However, annoyance and persuasion do not constitute duress. See also coercion (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=r2sv4v9xjhu6?method=4&dsid=2040&dekey=coercion&curtab=2040_1&sbid=lc06b).

Nobody had a "choice" when being assigned a Social Security Number.
:rolleyes:


You signed the card. YOUR signature.

According to the UCC, you must validate your claim as to it being under durress.


§ 1-308. Performance or Acceptance [of contractual obligations] Under Reservation of Rights.

(a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as "without prejudice," "under protest," or the like are sufficient.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to an accord and satisfaction.



"...in law, actual or threatened violence or imprisonment, by reason of which a person is forced to enter into an agreement or to perform some other act against his will."



If you were under duress at the time, what exactly did the Social Security officers do to you ?


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[Book]

All communication presented to this forum is private commerce by this forum user/member. All terms of private commerce are as this forum user/member understands it. This user/member is the secured party creditor, a full liability man of flesh and blood.

Without Prejudice, All Rights Reserved, UCC 1-308
Oh noooooooooo. I'm being targeted by a shyster stalker! You are hereby notified that a RESTRAINING ORDER shall be issued mandating a GIM ten-thread distance between party of the first part and party of the second part. You are hereby notified pursuant to GIM 1-308

[Halophyte]

I'm being targeted by a shyster stalker! ]


I accept your claim for its value and return the dishonor.

Would you like to return an offer ?



If you wish to communicate to me from the corpgov/bankster's public domain that is your right - just as it is my right to reply from my private constitutional domain.



I'll ask again, If you were under duress at the time you signed your SS card, what exactly did the Social Security officers do to you ?



Here's a hint; you're way over your head in this department, bud.



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[Carl]

Article I, Section 10: "No State shall pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts."



As a free man you have the right to enter into contractual obligations.

You entered a contractual obligation by applying for a Social Security Number.

You entered a contractual obligation by applying for U.S. citizenship in order to recieve SS benefits.

As a U.S. citizen you are required to sign a draft card.

If you did not reserve your rights while signing, you are now under under commerce law of the 1933 bankrupcy reconstruction act, you limited your rights to those contracts.

You are now a limited liability corporate citizen. There is no "law of the land" for you.

There is only the law of commerce, the law of the high seas, you are collateral for the national debt to the bankers as pledged by your government representatives to the private bankers in 1933.

There is no constitutional money in circulation, your government has been in recievership since 1933.

This is why you owe the government a part of the fruits of you labor for the rest of your life.

You gave that right away by contract.

If you want Social Security benefits and Citizenship - you have sold your right to access the organic constitution.

You have sold your birthrights.




Don't feel alone Carl, we were all fooled. Me inclusive.


.No, I wasn't fooled, and Article I, Section 10 also states: "No State shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts." How is that working out?

I did not enter into contract or apply for U.S. citizenship in order to receive S.S.I. benefits, I got a S.S. card because it was required for employment. There is no valid contract when coercion is involved. And I do not owe the government any part of the fruits of my labor; it takes those fruits by threat of force.

I have not sold or given away rights granted by God and retained by my Free Person, and I couldn't give or sell them away even if I wanted to.

The right to contract is a right of Free Men, the government is not a Free Man, it is a contracted service provider with no more authority over us than what we allow. It cannot create blindsided, binding contracts as it has no authority to make contract except by treaty and I have not entered into any treaty with the government I own, have you?


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[Halophyte]

Have you signed your drivers licence without your written reservation of rights ?

Does your SS card show your signature without your reservation of rights ?

Does your bank account show your signature without your written reservation of rights ?

Does or did your mortgage papers show your signature without your written reservation of rights ?

If so, YOU HAVER ENTERED INTO CONTRACT WITHOUT REMEDY - with your DMV, your Social Security Office, your bank, your government, etc., etc.,.... and your rights are as specified and limited by those contracts.



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[Anty Ep]

Ha, I can hardly believe my luck that I am finally able, after years going on decades, that I can now both find an audience of people gathering around to hear this bullshit and let them know the bottom line about this.

First let me preface my main point with these three remarks which are points of agreement:

1. Yes America is a tyranny. Yes Lincoln was a tyrant. Yes there was Civil War and the biggest, meanest side won.
2. Yes the current Federal government has trampled rights of individuals and states into the dust. Yes I see red about this.
3. Yes there are moneyed elites who make hidden and sometimes not so well hidden plans to further accrete their own power and authority. Yes they are often bankers and Jews or both.

Now-- on to the nos.

NO you can't get out of paying income taxes by buying some milita/patriotard jerk's book and writing secret slogans on your 1040. If you are a US citizen or resident with income, then you will owe income tax and there are no secret code words in the tax laws that make it only apply to foreigners and corporations.

NO there is no such thing as "alloidial land title" that will allow you to evade paying your real estate taxes

NO there is no bullshit "reservation of rights" that you can scribble on your damn SS card that makes you able to do some kind of first-class citizen.

NO all those citations and references dont add up to whatever proposition they've been quoted for. That's a load of crap.

7th circuit has some appellate cases about tax protesters -- usually affirming their IMPRISONMENTS for tax evasion-- that specifically refute these bullshit arguments. Understand this: the "LAW" is what the courts SAY it is. That you disagree does not mean dick to them. You will end up in PRISON if you take this BS seriously.


United States v. Buckner, 830 F2d 102(7th Cir. 1987):
"For the record, we note that the following beliefs, which are stock arguments of the tax protester movement, have not been, nor ever will be, considered 'objectively reasonable' in this circuit: "(1) the belief that the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution was improperly ratified and therefore never came into being; "(2) the belief that the Sixteenth Amendment is unconstitutional generally; "(3) the belief that the income tax violates the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment; "(4) the belief that the tax laws are unconstitutional; "(5) the belief that wages are not income and therefore are not subject to federal income tax laws; "(6) the belief that filing a tax return violates the privilege against self-incrimination; and "(7) the belief that Federal Reserve Notes do not constitute cash or income."

Let me make this clear. I dont like the income tax. I dont like the Federal Reserve. I dont like Jews. I dont like what the government did to Gordon Kahl-- who was taken in by this bullshit..... But the Law is what the government says it is. And it says that this sovereign citizen BS is NOT the law.

[Halophyte]

NO there is no bullshit "reservation of rights" that you can scribble on your damn SS card that makes you able to do some kind of first-class citizen.




I'll jump over the obvious points you've made and concentrate on this misconception, its not about being a "first class citizen".

It's about remedy of, and jurisdiction of, the commercial credit system and its minions.

I suggest you aquire a copy of black's Law (eigth edition) and study the meaning of "citizenship", "remedy" and "jurisdiction".

Do you know that if you choose to be represented by a lawyer in court that the court then presumes you as incompetent ?

All judicial and administrative process is a combination of "assumptions", "presumptions" and "facts of the case". It's up to you to eliminate those assumptions and presumptions by addressing the matter in your FULL IDENTITY.

Do you even know who you are ?

Are you a legal fiction ?

Are you flesh and blood ?

Have you ever attempted to set the record straight ?


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[Book]

Ha, I can hardly believe my luck that I am finally able, after years going on decades, that I can now both find an audience of people gathering around to hear this bullshit and let them know the bottom line about this. -Anty Ep

Mission Accomplished! Thanks Anty Ep.

[tlannum]

very simply put.constitutional law or common law.....government

or maritime ,admirality law...guess which one???:y:

[Halophyte]

very simply put.constitutional law or common law.....government

or maritime ,admirality law...guess which one???:y:


Constitutional law IS common law.

Commerce is public law, the laws of equity/admirality, public govcorp policy.

Two sets of law, two books of law.



I'm waiting for the book of ignorance to chime in again ...

[Anty Ep]

I'll jump over the obvious points you've made ...

....Because you cant answer them honestly.

It's about remedy of, and jurisdiction of, the commercial credit system and its minions.

Save your gibberish for people who dont know what those words mean. Like the well-meaning but naive suckers who spend lots of money on patriotard commonlawkort/youdontoweincometaxes tomes.

I suggest you aquire a copy of black's Law (eigth edition) and study the meaning of "citizenship", "remedy" and "jurisdiction".

No need to aquire one, I've had one for years. Its right here in my hands, 6th edition, published by West. Nice maroon leather colored binding, cost me about $50 when I bought it. Now, instead of wasting my time on those words I will share another one from page 745 :

"Idiota" In the civil law, an unlearned, illiterate, or simple person.

Do you know that if you choose to be represented by a lawyer in court that the court then presumes you as incompetent ?

Hahaahahaha. Listen, my good man, has it occured to you yet that you may be talking to a lawyer?

Do you even know who you are ?

I know the name my parents gave me, but I aint sharing it with you!

Are you a legal fiction ? Are you flesh and blood ? Have you ever attempted to set the record straight ?

Are you from Mars? Take me to your leader!

[Halophyte]

....Because you cant answer them honestly. Save your gibberish for people who dont know what those words mean.

I accept your claim for its value and return the dishonor.

Would you like to return an offer ?

Like the well-meaning but naive suckers who spend lots of money on patriotard commonlawkort/youdontoweincometaxes tomes.

I'm not sure what web site you're talking about but I have read Title 26.

Hahaahahaha. Listen, my good man, has it occured to you yet that you may be talking to a lawyer?

A lawyer .... That's answers all my questions.

You use the same two words used on my signature line below, "WITHOUT PREJUDICE".

I know why.



You are also sworn to break attorney/client confidentiality in service to the court.

I know why.



Would you like to offer me another presentment ?

If not, our business is concluded.





BTW, I am willing to debate the tax code with any lawyer on this board and prove (by word of law) that nobody is required to pay taxes on their labor income.

I'm also willing to bet, I can disprove your assumptions and presumptions of income tax validity with half my brains tied behind my back.

Shall we engage in the debate Mr. Lawyer ?


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[Veritas]

You signed the card. YOUR signature.

According to the UCC, you must validate your claim as to it being under durress.


§ 1-308. Performance or Acceptance [of contractual obligations] Under Reservation of Rights.

(a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as "without prejudice," "under protest," or the like are sufficient.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to an accord and satisfaction.



"...in law, actual or threatened violence or imprisonment, by reason of which a person is forced to enter into an agreement or to perform some other act against his will."



If you were under duress at the time, what exactly did the Social Security officers do to you ?


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Most people are "assigned" a social security number, for tax purposes, before they reach 18 years of age.

A contract is invalid if the person signing the contract is under the age of 18 and not yet emancipated.

[Veritas]

If you are a US citizen or resident with income, then you will owe income tax and there are no secret code words in the tax laws that make it only apply to foreigners and corporations.

I just have one very seemingly simple request. Can you please provide the law that states that I, as a citizen of the United States of America, am required to file and pay an income tax?

[Veritas]

Commerce is public law, the laws of equity/admirality...


This is true.

Unfortunately, since the end of the Civil War, U.S. courts now operate under Admiralty Law (commerce/equity - public law)...also represented by the gold fringe around the flag - you will find this in any courtroom in the United States.