Intravenous CS and H2O2

[Uncle]

Does anyone here have experience with intravenous usage of CS and H2O2 ?

I found this on IV H2O2.

http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_iv_hydrogen_peroxide_therapy.html

Can't seem to find anything on IV CS.

Golden Regards
Uncle

[Large Sarge]

Hi Uncle,

I have researched C.S., Ozone, and H202 a lot.....

I do not remember ever reading about C.S. in an I.V. form......

bear with me for a minute here, as I try and piece this together...

I.V. is usually done in a saline form.....

C.S. is made with electricity passed through the silver wires, into a "slightly saline" solution, the less salt in solution, the smaller the particle size for silver... which is better....

The silver is held in suspension mainly by the charge it is given, so when it loses the charge or binds to something else (perhaps another salt from the saline solution) it loses its properties.....

So my point is, I think you have a compatibility issue, unlike Ozone or peroxide, which dissolve harmlessy into oxygen.......

C.S> will bind with other elements (salts), and it will lose its charge...

so instead of getting silver particles that are 5 microns, and barely visible.....
you would get big clumps of them, a cloudy suspension being poured into your veins....

(this is all speculation on my part)

[Uncle]

Greetings Large Sarge

I was thinking more in terms of IV'ing CS at a lower incidence than oral measures, say something like 4-5ppm. Neat.

From my link above

In IV H2O2 therapy, Hydrogen peroxide is infused into the circulatory system through a vein in the arm. It drips in over a ninety-minute period. Five cc of pharmaceutical-grade, three-percent hydrogen peroxide are put in 500 cc five percent glucose in water as a carrier solution. Two grams of magnesium chloride are added along with a small amount of manganese to prevent vein sclerosis.

and

For this form of treatment, you must find a physician who is familiar with the proper preparation of pharmaceutical grade H2O2 in a bottle of sterile, isotonic intravenous fluid.

I have no idea how CS will react with either magnesium chloride or maganese. I could look it up when I find the time. Usually isotonic material also contains various salts and might make for an interesting experience.

Thanks for the reply.

Golden Regards
Uncle

[Large Sarge]

Greetings Large Sarge

I was thinking more in terms of IV'ing CS at a lower incidence than oral measures, say something like 4-5ppm. Neat.


I have no idea how CS will react with either magnesium chloride or maganese. I could look it up when I find the time. Usually isotonic material also contains various salts and might make for an interesting experience.

Thanks for the reply.

Golden Regards
Uncle

Hi Uncle,

My point is that I do not think you would get a "solution" when done this way....

follow my logic here...

you take your C.S. and make it to be roughly 4-5 PPM in solution......

Taking this solution, you add it to the saline bag, which is some Percentage saline, its not PPM

The silver in suspension is "Charged", it has a positive charge (I believe), while most (All??) salts have a negative charge....

There is a much greater concentration of salt in solution than silver.....

So the affinity (opposite charged particles attracting) and the gradient differences, make it likely that you would have some form of silver salt being put into your arm, and not Colloidal silver......

Does this make sense to you?

I am unsure of the benefits from this therapy.......

The whole logic behind silver is for it to go out and destroy things, the more numerous and the smaller the particles, then the more things it destroys....

With this I.V. situation, you would likely have a little lump of silver salt.....

I would not recommend this.....

it seems incompatible to me, try the ozone or peroxidde via I.V.

IMO

[G-khan]

I agree Sarge - not good it would bind together with salt...

I read and I don't remember where that Silver was injected into the viens and used as a therapy. That was before we got antibiotics - so maybe around 1920 if you want to research it.

By the way only the Silver ions would bind if you had small enough Silver particles - I would think it would be very effective?

[RossL]

I 'm not so sure there would be much to gain from intravenous CS.

CS has a lot of value used as a topical disinfectant externally on cuts and scrapes. I use it much less frequently internally. I am careful to make it with small particle size using a bubbler. I use it in my mouth and nose when I have a cold, and there may be some value of a dose going through the intestinal tract occasionally. However, I don't want a lot of any heavy metal going through my bloodstream. H2O2 is different after all, it is hydrogen and oxygen.

Use CS in moderation. It is a wonderful gift of nature but you can get too much of it.

[Uncle]

Hi Uncle,
Taking this solution, you add it to the saline bag, which is some Percentage saline, its not PPM

Greetings Sarge

I understand that mixing CS with any sort of solution is not a good idea unless you have some chemical background and can determine the possible resultant products of the mix, and their effect on your biological chemistry.


I'm looking for possible neat uses of intravenous CS. I.o.w. no saline and/or glucose solution. Just use the CS neat at, say 4ppm.


If CS binds with the salts in a saline solution then perhaps the same thing will happen in the blood ? I suspect I know enough here to be really dangerous. :D

Thanks for all the feedback.

Golden Regards
Uncle

[Large Sarge]

Greetings Sarge

I understand that mixing CS with any sort of solution is not a good idea unless you have some chemical background and can determine the possible resultant products of the mix, and their effect on your biological chemistry.


I'm looking for possible neat uses of intravenous CS. I.o.w. no saline and/or glucose solution. Just use the CS neat at, say 4ppm.


If CS binds with the salts in a saline solution then perhaps the same thing will happen in the blood ? I suspect I know enough here to be really dangerous. :D

Thanks for all the feedback.

Golden Regards
Uncle

Hi Uncle,

I guess I need to ask you some questions, and if it is to personal or whatever, just P.M. me....

1. are you trying to "Cure" something, prevent something? or just curious?

2. While i do not buy the whole Agyria (gray skin) thing promoted by the Pharm industry..... Doing an I.V. solution w/o full supervision and w/o understanding the consequences could be dangerous......

3. I do not think you will find any doctor, alternative or otherwise that will do C.S. in an I.V. solution.... (of course money talks...)

I would recommend you try a round of ozone therapy, it is anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal..... Just like C.S. and they will administer it with I.V.

currently about 13 states in the U.S. are "Oxygen friendly"
of those 13 states, only a handful do I.V. procedures with Ozone....

I am going off memory, but I know N.C. does it, I think Colorado is on the list
for I.V. as well.....

Unsure on the others, Wisconsin maybe?
California? Oregon?

[Mr. Shiny]

H2O2 is different after all, it is hydrogen and oxygen.
just hydrogen and oxygen? come on now if you feel that way, cyanide is just carbon and nitrogen, two completely inert and inocuous(sp?) elements!
get a fncking clue! hydrogen peroxide is used as rocket propellant, yeah doc, just fill 'er up with ethyl. (haw)

[Uncle]

1. are you trying to "Cure" something, prevent something? or just curious?

2. While i do not buy the whole Agyria (gray skin) thing promoted by the Pharm industry..... Doing an I.V. solution w/o full supervision and w/o understanding the consequences could be dangerous......

3. I do not think you will find any doctor, alternative or otherwise that will do C.S. in an I.V. solution.... (of course money talks...)

I would recommend you try a round of ozone therapy, it is anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal..... Just like C.S. and they will administer it with I.V.


Greetings LargeSarge

Only saw your reply now. Apologies.

1. I have a young one at 7y that regularly gets throat infection. Starts with a drip and before you know it.....I need to protect him/us from the coming avian-flu. He just had a bout and for the first time we didn't need to visit the doc to get over it. Used oral CS and a Unani Tibb product called Septogard.

http://www.tibb.co.za/septo.html

2. Point well taken.

3. I'm in South-Africa. Will need to shop around. My local GP dunno about IV H2O2 and by the look on her face I could tell she thought I was loco.

4. I've ordered one of the O2 books you've reco'd in another thread. Can't remember details now.

Golden Regards
Uncle

Thanks for the feedback.

[Uncle]

just hydrogen and oxygen? come on now if you feel that way, cyanide is just carbon and nitrogen, two completely inert and inocuous(sp?) elements!
get a fncking clue! hydrogen peroxide is used as rocket propellant, yeah doc, just fill 'er up with ethyl. (haw)

It should be rather obvious that we were discussing medical grade H2O2, at about 4%, and not the high solution H2O2.

Golden Regards
Uncle

[Large Sarge]

Greetings LargeSarge

Only saw your reply now. Apologies.

1. I have a young one at 7y that regularly gets throat infection. Starts with a drip and before you know it.....I need to protect him/us from the coming avian-flu. He just had a bout and for the first time we didn't need to visit the doc to get over it. Used oral CS and a Unani Tibb product called Septogard.

http://www.tibb.co.za/septo.html
Golden Regards
Uncle

Thanks for the feedback.

Well, i just checked your product out, and I am unfamiliar with it, but if you find it effective and it is affordable.... I say "go for it"

I would start to wonder what is causing the re-occurring throat infections?

is it environmental? (allergies, pollution, pets ,etc )
is it a habit (does the child regularly put his dirty hands in his mouth, other?)

Most of the times people only treat the symptoms, and not the cause....

since you say it is a re-occurring problem, and I totally support boosting your immune functions (for everyone).....
but in addition to boosting immune functions, lets look at what might be causing the throat infections......

You want "food grade" hydrogen peroxide, as it is safe to ingest.....

and if you are interested in oxygen therapy long term, then i would spend a little money ($150.00 U.S.) to get an ozone maker....
because once you purchase the device, your only cost after the purchase is the ice and water used daily.... (plus the little bit of electricity used by the device)

HTH
Sarge

[Mr. Shiny]

It should be rather obvious that we were discussing medical grade H2O2, at about 4%, and not the high solution H2O2.
what happens when hydrogen peroxide comes in contact with hemoglobin?
ans. it bubbles
do you think bubbles in the blood stream is healthy?
ans. of course not!

bubbles in your circulatory system can lead to death, are you attempting to murder your child?

as for the bnllsh!t that passes as medicine to you so called 'alternative lifestyle' folk amazes me.
oxygen at 17% is required for life, higher concentrations lead to blindness, hmmm, yep, i want to be so called "healthy" but at the sacrifice of my precious sight, no!

[Large Sarge]

what happens when hydrogen peroxide comes in contact with hemoglobin?
ans. it bubbles
do you think bubbles in the blood stream is healthy?
ans. of course not!

bubbles in your circulatory system can lead to death, are you attempting to murder your child?

as for the bnllsh!t that passes as medicine to you so called 'alternative lifestyle' folk amazes me.
oxygen at 17% is required for life, higher concentrations lead to blindness, hmmm, yep, i want to be so called "healthy" but at the sacrifice of my precious sight, no!

Unsure what chemistry class you took Shiny.....

But Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) breaks down into water and oxygen....

your body has peroxides in it naturally......

from http://www.h2o2-4u.com/


Did you know that your body makes hydrogen peroxide to fight infection? It is a fact that Hydrogen peroxide must be present for our immune system to function correctly. <BIG>White blood cells are known as Leukocytes. Leukocytes are divided into three classes: Granulocytes, Lymphocytes and Monocytes. Granulocytes are themselves divided into three classes: Neutrophils, Eosinophils and Basophils.</BIG> Neutrophils produce hydrogen peroxide as the first line of defense against toxins, parasites, bacteria, viruses and yeast.

<BIG>See</BIG>:<BIG> How Your Immune System Works, (http://www.howstuffworks.com/immune-system8.htm) by Marshall Brain -HowStuffWorks.com </BIG>
"Neutrophils - Neutrophils are by far the most common form of white blood cells that you have in your body. Your bone marrow produces trillions of them every day and releases them into the bloodstream, but their life span is short - generally less than a day. Once in the bloodstream neutrophils can move through capillary walls into tissue. Neutrophils are attracted to foreign material, inflammation and bacteria. If you get a splinter or a cut, neutrophils will be attracted by a process called chemotaxis. Many single-celled organisms use this same process - chemotaxis lets motile cells move toward higher concentrations of a chemical. Once a neutrophil finds a foreign particle or a bacteria it will engulf it, releasing enzymes, hydrogen peroxide and other chemicals from its granules to kill the bacteria. In a site of serious infection (where lots of bacteria have reproduced in the area), pus will form. Pus is simply dead neutrophils and other cellular debris."

<BIG>See</BIG>: Encyclopædia Britannica, "Granulocytes"
"White blood cells (leukocytes)...
Granulocytes , the most numerous of the white cells, are larger than red cells (approximately 12-15 micrometres). They have a multilobed nucleus and contain large numbers of cytoplasmic granules (i.e., granules in the cell substance outside the nucleus). Granulocytes are important mediators of the inflammatory response. There are three types of granulocytes: neutrophils, eosinophils, and basophils.
...Neutrophils are actively phagocytic; they engulf bacteria and other microorganisms and microscopic particles. The granules of the neutrophil are microscopic packets of potent enzymes capable of digesting many types of cellular materials. When a bacterium is engulfed by a neutrophil, it is encased in a vacuole lined by the invaginated membrane. The granules discharge their contents into the vacuole containing the organism. As this occurs, the granules of the neutrophil are depleted (degranulation). A metabolic process within the granules produces hydrogen peroxide and a highly active form of oxygen (superoxide), which destroy the ingested bacteria . Final digestion of the invading organism is accomplished by enzymes."

<BIG>See</BIG>: Definition for Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) (http://www.kumc.edu/instruction/medicine/pathology/ed/keywords/kw_hydrogen.html) -University of Kansas Medical Center

It is believed that toxins which accumulate in the body (more so in the ill) are normally burnt up by the natural process of oxidation, whereby the toxins are changed chemically because of the effect of oxygen upon it. This oxidation process breaks down the toxins into carbon dioxide and water and they are eliminated from the body. If the body is weak and in a toxic state through acquired diseases, improper diet, pollution, etc., our bodies cannot eliminate these toxins properly, and toxic reactions are the result which we see in the final result --disease.

Bio-oxidative therapies are small amounts of diluted ozone and or hydrogen peroxide used in the body for the prevention and treatment of disease. Many of these therapies have been used by European physicians for over a century, however hydrogen peroxide therapy was developed in the United States primarily by Charles H. Farr, M.D., P.H.D. , of Oklahoma, a nominee for the 1993 Nobel prize in Medicine.

the bubbles you refer to are from nitrogen, during the bends......

the percentage of food grade hydrogen peroxide is so weak, due to ingesting it (don't want to burn our our stomachs do we?), that I do not think you could overdose on Oxygen........

the only oxygen therapy I am aware of that can be dangerous is I.V. ozone therapy, they have to regulate that, so you do not get to much.....

[Uncle]

...are you attempting to murder your child?

as for the bnllsh!t that passes as medicine to you so called 'alternative lifestyle' folk amazes me.

Not that it's got anything to do with you but do you really think I'll administer anything I haven't tried myself. :y:

And your child, of course, had all his shots because the good doctor told you so ? Perhaps you should read-up a bit.

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/search.php?searchid=220336

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=19149&highlight=vaccine

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=18655&highlight=vaccine

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/

It doesn't sound like you've tried anything not provided by BIG-Pharma. How can you judge with no experience. "Because the doctor told me so.." ?


:sheep: :sheep: :sheep:

Mr. Shiny added to Uncle's ignore list.

Golden Regards
Uncle

[Mr. Shiny]

Mr. Shiny added to Uncle's ignore list.

ooooooooooooooh! what will i ever do?
you are not the first, nor will you be the last, God forbid you actually learned something by not ignoring someone, eh?
kill yourself, see if i care! this world clearly has more horse's asses than horses anyway.

[Mr. Shiny]

the bubbles you refer to are from nitrogen, during the bends...... hmmm, i didn't know hydrogen peroxide therapy included deep sea diving, sounds fun!

Unsure what chemistry class you took Shiny
M.I.T. Class of '55

But Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) breaks down into water and oxygen....


absolutely, water and free oxygen, hence bubbles!, which do not belong in the blood stream.
your body has peroxides in it naturally
bodies has lots of things in them naturally, not all of them necessarily good.


that I do not think you could overdose on Oxygen........

http://www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/AllContent/E88BE35D13EF81F685256A860081E837/$File/p4638f.pdf

or try this, under health effects
http://www.truckservice.co.uk/library/safety1.pdf

[Uncle]

ooooooooooooooh! what will i ever do?
you are not the first, nor will you be the last, God forbid you actually learned something by not ignoring someone, eh?
kill yourself, see if i care! this world clearly has more horse's asses than horses anyway.

So I guess all your children did get all their shots then, eh...

[Mr. Shiny]

So I guess all your children did get all their shots then, eh...

well, back in the '50's when i was siring children, yes, they got what the doctor offered, just like everyone else, and they all grew up to be happy, healthy, well adjusted adults.
now you can go back to ignoring me while pumping your body full of "alternative" bullsh!t, just because some crackpot on the web says it's O.K. does not make it so, hell, you probably believe in Aether, Orgones, and free energy too.

[Large Sarge]

hmmm, i didn't know hydrogen peroxide therapy included deep sea diving, sounds fun!


M.I.T. Class of '55


absolutely, water and free oxygen, hence bubbles!, which do not belong in the blood stream.

bodies has lots of things in them naturally, not all of them necessarily good.




http://www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/AllContent/E88BE35D13EF81F685256A860081E837/$File/p4638f.pdf

or try this, under health effects
http://www.truckservice.co.uk/library/safety1.pdf

Well i read your info,

here is the summary (mainly located on Page 4) (and from the looks of it, it looks like you got the info off a welding cannister (pure oxygen))

"At atmospheric pressures oxygen poses not threat, at higher pressures it may cause retinal damage in premature infants......" (because they put premature baby's on oxygen for extended periods.....Neonatal care)

"For adults to experience any eye problems exposures must be greater than 24-48 hours....."

"and at greater than atmospheric pressures"

almost the whole thing revolves around "Hyperbaric oxygen"

Not Ozone, and not peroxide therapy.......

and here if this makes you feel better shiny ....
"Uncle, I would not recommend staying in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber for longer than 48 hours, it might cause stress on your eyes....."

"Whew, I feel relieved now......."

[RossL]

just hydrogen and oxygen? come on now if you feel that way, cyanide is just carbon and nitrogen, two completely inert and inocuous(sp?) elements!
get a fncking clue! hydrogen peroxide is used as rocket propellant, yeah doc, just fill 'er up with ethyl. (haw)

In my original post I expressed my concern about heavy metals in the bloodstream. I assume you learned about the atomic weights of hydrogen, oxygen and silver while you were in school.\

I realize it is the self-appointed job of a Troll to take a statement completely out of context and start a flame war over it. Apparently, they don't teach people skills in MA. How did you make it this far in life without acquiring any people skills, Mr. Shiny?

[Mr. Shiny]

people skills? what are those?

i was simply making the point that even the most common elements of the human organism, carbon and nitrogen, which we are made of, and breathe, in combination are one of the most deadly poisons to man, take common table salt for instance, sodium chloride, sodium & chlorine, separate each will kill you deader than grandma's ****, also quite painfully i might add, but combined, are required for life.

i said it before, and i'll say it to you, pump anything you want into your system, the quicker you die the better off society will be without you, survival of the fittest, Darwin, and evolution at it's greatest.

[Large Sarge]

people skills? what are those?

i was simply making the point that even the most common elements of the human organism, carbon and nitrogen, which we are made of, and breathe, in combination are one of the most deadly poisons to man, take common table salt for instance, sodium chloride, sodium & chlorine, separate each will kill you deader than grandma's ****, also quite painfully i might add, but combined, are required for life.

i said it before, and i'll say it to you, pump anything you want into your system, the quicker you die the better off society will be without you, survival of the fittest, Darwin, and evolution at it's greatest.

of course I could say to you "keep huffing those chemtrails shiny.... Darwin etc etc"

[Mr. Shiny]

of course I could say to you "keep huffing those chemtrails shiny.... Darwin etc etc"


i'll stick to sniffin' glue! (pun intended)