World Bank Approves Wolfowitz

[banjah]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050331/world_bank_wolfowitz.html?.v=12

[hoarder]

Of course they approved him. He has the right credentials for any position in the World Bank, Federal Reserve or IMF.

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He's Jewish.

[azxcvbnm321]

I fully support Wolfowitz. Maybe he'll finally teach some of those beggar countries out there to show a little respect. The US gives out more aid than any other country in the world and those who willingly take our money have the nerve to call us stingy. Well then you can do without our money. At least show some gratitude. It just shows you how ****ed up the world is today. Countries feel entitled to have wealth and power, without ever working for it or making the sacrifices necessary. They want equal say in the UN, but want US troops in UN Uniforms to go out there and do the actual fighting. They want the riches the US has, but are unwilling to accept the ideology of individualism that has made the US so successful. People in the US are willing to accept that the lazy and incompetent SHOULD BE poor, and are willing to let the hard-working and innovative be rich and keep their riches. That's what has made the US the economic power it is today. People have a reason to work hard and to invent. In other countries, they don't bother because it'll all be taken away from them anyway, so why not be lazy and incompetent like everyone else? Why work hard if you're punished? Why not be lazy if you're rewarded?

[hoarder]

The US gives out more aid than any other country in the world and those who willingly take our money have the nerve to call us stingy.
The US sends Wolfowitz's homeland fifteen billion dollars a year and fights all their wars for them while they spy on us and commandeer our media to use against us. You can bet your bottom dollar Wolfowitz supports this because he has dual citizenship . This extortion has been going on for decades and no other country comes anywhere close to recieving as much aid as Israel does.

[Kruger_Man]

The US gives out more aid than any other country in the world and those who willingly take our money have the nerve to call us stingy. What is your evidence for this? I suspect that if you exclude our subsidies to Israel, you will find the US no longer at the top of that list, (if it was there to begin with). I hear people say the US gives so much money, but the UN records indicate that we haven't paid dues in many years. I see Bush promise billions of dollars in AIDS support to Africa, then watch as the actual amount of aid received is a miniscule portion of what was promised. I'm not convinced. Especially since many African Nations unfortunately receive more aid from Saudi Arabia than from the West.

[azxcvbnm321]

Just go look up the numbers on the internet. The US gives aid to many many countries like Egypt, Pakistan, S. Korea. With food donations, the US is by far the most generous nation in the world, with Japan coming in second. As for the UN, there's no reason why the US should have to pay the most of any country, I hear from 25% to 40% (conflicting reports) of total UN income comes from the US. Also don't forget that most countries don't bother to keep a military that can actually be used. The countries that do (Nigeria, Thailand, etc.) have low quality soldiers who run away whenever there's any combat, or just happen to "get lost" on the way to the area of conflict. That's why the US military always has to do combat missions whenever there's an armed conflict calling for UN troops.

Don't forget that the majority of World Bank money also comes from the US. Why shouldn't we have our say as we have to carry the UN and World Bank?

[BlackGold]

THE US DOLLAR IS THE RESERVE CURRENCY OF THE WORLD !!!

THE US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GIVE OUT AID MONEY.
ITS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS DOES !!!

THE SAME FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE THE CREDITORS TO
THESE DEVELOPING NATIONS WHO ARE INDEBTED TO THE NECK!!!

HMMM A CERTAIN COUNTRIES DEBT IS $40 BILLION US DOLLARS
AND RECEIVES $20 MILLION IN AID BUT PAYS OUT $100 MILLION
IN DEBT-SERVICING INTEREST DUH!!!

PLEASE SCRUTINIZE YOUR SOURCES WELL BEFORE POSTING ON THIS BOARD.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US HERE WHO HAVE WORKED IN
THESE DEVELOPING DEBT-RIDDEN NATIONS AND KNOW/UNDERSTAND THE
SITUATION FROM FIRST - HAND EXPERIENCE.

CHEERS FOLKS ! :coolbeer:

[azxcvbnm321]

Maybe these countries should stop borrowing and learn to deal with their finances, especially the Latin American countries. Neither Brazil nor Argentina are willing to cut their social spending, despite the fact that their economies can't support it. Is it the United States' fault that their citizens are so used to entitlement, that any proposed cut is automatically greeted with people on the streets, blocking all traffic and choking off the economy. Argentina used to be the 5th wealthiest nation on the planet at one time, but they have repeated destroyed themselves with massive spending that they can't support.

Your attitude is exactly what I'm taking about. Even if the US gives "only" $20 million, that's still better than nothing. If countries are going to take our money, then they at least should be grateful, no one forces them to take our aid, and no one forces them to borrow from our private citizens and corporations. Recently, Argentina screwed its lenders by defaulting on its debt, and then offering a paltry 30 cents on the dollar on the defaulted bonds. The US did Argentina a favor by the way. Without IMF approval (which depends on US approval) of new loans, Argentina's economy would have collapsed yet again.

Gee, is it any wonder why these nations have to pay so much interest? Would YOU lend your hard earned money to someone who keeps on defaulting, and worse yet, feels that they deserve to keep the money you lent them? How about someone who borrows money from you, spends that money recklessly, and then chastises you for having money left to lend? By the way, the great majority of the money lent to foreign nations come from private sources, not the US Govt.

Before giving the usual, "the US is an evil exploiter" crap, think how did the dollar get to be the world's reserve currency, and how did America's economy get so powerful? Was the US always this powerful, or did it have to work for it? Did the US have to enter WWI, or agree to win the European front first before defeating the Japanese in the Pacific in WWII? Was it an American who made the car affordable to the masses or was it an European? Was it an American who first achieved flight and built the first airplane or was it a Brazilian? Americans believe in equality of opportunity, with the full knowledge that some already have it better than others, yet with hard work and intelligence, they too, can one day be as rich as those who came before them. Americans don't believe in equality of outcome, that everyone is entitled to more than they are capable of working for. Notice how I say entitled because Americans are also a charitable lot, who freely give away what they've earned, but will not tolerate those who don't understand what it took to gain the wealth America has today.

[dissident]

So what's the big deal? People rarely appreaciate things when they are given to them. I maintain the US should cut off all aid to the rest of the world if they feel it's necessary, but more importantly, the US should withdraw all troops from every country in the world. This nation was found upon non interventionalism, friendly commerce with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Acting as the world's policeman is the prime cause of hatred towards us, forget about our obvious standards we give Israel, essentially letting them do whatever they want while having the gall to tell other soverign nations like Iran that they can't have nukes to defend themselves. Hogwash.

This foreign meddling has gone on long enough, and the problem won't be solved by the international bankers, indeed the problem is largely caused by the international bankers. A world bank? Whatever happened to countries controlling their own currencies, and not having private entities who charge interest do it for them?

You talk about nations receiving aid, well the largest welfare recipiant in the world is Israel.. at 10 billion dollars per year on average, some years it's more, some it's less, with a current population of 6,199,000, Israel receives $1,613 US dollars per citizen per year in aid.. given the average annual income of people in Israel is not much more then about $20,000 per year in US dollar terms, that's a LOT of welfare.. and they never have to pay it back. There are other nations that get quite a bit, like egypt, which also shouldn't get aid, but Israel takes the cake. And what does Israel produce? A whole lot of trouble, mostly.

[azxcvbnm321]

As a person with libertarian views, I used be much more isolationist in my foreign policy views. But the problem with power and our status is that responsibilities come with it. Look at Haiti. We had to intervene twice to stop bloody civil wars and were criticized by the losing side both times. We were also criticized for not stopping the genocide in Rwanda, criticized for being late to stopping the genocide in Bosnia, and criticized for attempting to stop the civil war in Somalia. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Look, someone is always going to be offended by what we do, or what we don't do, no matter what. Retreating into an isolationist policy will not stop the anti-Americanism around certain parts of the world. People dislike us because we are successful and they are not. It's envy. Other people, like the terrorists, hate us for who we are. They hate that we allow our women to be educated and attend school, and to be able to show their face in public. They will continue to hate us until America becomes a freedomless land, where everyone must pray 5 times a day and never consume alcohol or drugs. Leaving the Middle East will not stop these terrorists from coming here and finishing the job. It will only improve their morale and make American citizens the target of bombs vs. our soldiers.

As for Israel, I don't agree with many of their policies, but they are useful as the #1 target of terrorists. Without Israel, America would be the #1 target. I look at Israel like the Soviet Union in WWII providing a second front. The Soviets fully occupied 2/3rds of the German Army, that would have otherwise been waiting in France on D-day. Look at how many suicide bombings Israel has to deal with every year. Those suicide bombers would be coming for the US if they didn't have a closer, and more hated Israel to go after. So Israel, as a second front, is well worth the money. As for Egypt, well, supporting the current government prevents a more fundamentalist government from taking over. There are no easy answers, otherwise our problems would be solved already, but I don't think isolationism is the way to go. Americans shouldn't be so sensitive towards statements made by other countries that are envious and do not have our wellbeing in mind. If a person who hates you comes over and calls you names, then threatens you, the best thing to do is not appologize and knee before him, but to punch him in the mouth and say "**** YOU". That's what America should do and is doing.

[hoarder]

We were also criticized The mass media does the criticizing and the herd follows. If we get in wars to avoid criticism, the mass media controls our military, correct?As for Israel, I don't agree with many of their policies, but they are useful as the #1 target of terrorists. Without Israel, America would be the #1 target.Before we stuck our noses in the Middle East by helping to create Israel, peace between Islam and the West was, for the most part, a 100 year old fact. If you want to know what Arabs really think, read some of their own media instead of the Israeli-owned US media.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/index.html

http://www.radioislam.net/islam/english/toread/frnklin.htm

http://www.radioislam.net/

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

[BlackGold]

Hmm i must salute you
for your bluntness azxcvbnm321!!!

America [USA] is the most gifted and most blessed
nation upon the face of the earth and i also
concur that alot of nations are envious of America's
success.

The issue of America having an isolationist
stance on Foreign Affairs based based from an Economic
and Social perspective is a real "no no".

Lets not forget America has prospered to the point
where it attracts the attention of every literate Human
whether directly or indirectly.

Nobody can force you to
buy McDonalds or Burger-king!!!.

Success is powerful
bait that attracts all kinds of fish into its net.

I do know for a fact that there are those that work
inside America for there own selfish interest in regards
to Foreign Affairs.

We all have been effected by America in a positive
way at one point in our lives !!!

It the insidious negatives and Sublimal workings
of those who do not have the Citizenry of America
at heart that we must be sober and vigilant against.

In my humble Opinion it shall be a very long time before
any nation can rival America in term of Influence
and Power, Economics notwithstanding.

Those of us who live outside America can see the uniqueness
and significance of that nation and i dare say better
than those who live in America.

Its the negatives that emanate from America that has
citizens of other nations disturbed and perplexed.

The great hope i have for America is that Dissent against
social-economic tyrrany has not diminished yet.

And this is due to Americans such as the ones on this board
and across that great nation that understand and are willing
to defend their heart-land to the point of shedding there blood.

It is to those discerning heart and rational minds that i present
this thoughts !.

God bless America !!! :yippee:

[azxcvbnm321]

"Before we stuck our noses in the Middle East by helping to create Israel, peace between Islam and the West was, for the most part, a 100 year old fact. If you want to know what Arabs really think, read some of their own media instead of the Israeli-owned US media".

This is the perfect example of how America is blamed for everything. The General Assembly of the UN voted to divide the British "Protectorate" of Palestine into different states. The UN General Assembly voted to create the state of Israel, and with Israel, a Palesteinan nation named Jordan. The US did not veto the vote of the UN General Assembly. How is the US to blame?

I have read some Arab media sources, and they mostly spew half-truths and conspiracy theories to make the US seem as if they are behind every single misfortune and wrong. No rain this month? Must be the US and that secret weather changing weapon they have. Earthquake in Iran? Must be the US and their secret Earthquake making bomb. No jobs in the economy? Must be the US who have taken away all the jobs for themselves. That's why it's very important for us to gain a foothold in the Middle East, so that we can counter their bullshit media, and explain the American perspective of freedom and democracy.

"Those of us who live outside America can see the uniqueness
and significance of that nation and i dare say better
than those who live in America".

Absolutely. As an immigrant, and a person who has travelled to many countries in both Europe and Asia, I know the shortfalls of those countries. It's easy to see the negatives of America when you have no basis for comparison. Many people can't see that it's the philosophy of self-determination and individualism that has made the US into the power it is today. But with that philosophy comes the understanding that the weak, incompetent, and lazy will be left behind relative to those who can provide for themselves. Hard work and sacrifice is what has made the US into the most powerful nation on earth, we must not forget that.

[hoarder]

The General Assembly of the UN voted to divide the British "Protectorate" of Palestine into different states. The UN General Assembly voted to create the state of Israel, and with Israel, a Palesteinan nation named Jordan. The US did not veto the vote of the UN General Assembly. How is the US to blame? The US and the UN are not separate entities. The UN gets most of it's funding from the US. The US played the dominant role in the creation of Israel. The UN did not force the US at gunpoint to join and pay. We had no right to steal Palestine.

I have read some Arab media sources, and they mostly spew half-truths and conspiracy theories to make the US seem as if they are behind every single misfortune and wrong. If you have actually read the links I posted you will see the Arabs are saying that the US is controlled by Israel and that Israel controls most of the mass media in the US. This is not too difficult to verify. Almost all media in the US is controlled by Jews. This gives them unprecedented power over our elected officials. The Arabs are not the liars here, that is the truth.
The Jews have shown their contempt for the free exchange of information by attempting to monopolize it. Does this not indicate who is trying to bend minds to their agenda? Does this not indicate who has something to hide?

They have manipulated us into paying them 15 billlion dollars a year in aid and fighting all their wars while they use Hollywood to unravel the fabric of our society one thread at a time. They have imposed on us a fiat monetary system, the "Federal" Reserve. Look at who runs it and Wall Street. Wake up!

That's why it's very important for us to gain a foothold in the Middle East, so that we can counter their bullshit media, and explain the American perspective of freedom and democracy. Nonsense. We are there to make sure the media will be controlled by the Jews. Freedom and democracy is being flushed down the commode here in the US while we are supposedly "freeing" these Arabs. I don't blame them for not wanting to be "freed" by the US, just as I would not want 100 million Chinese troops in the US "freeing" us.

[JerseyKid]

why do i feel like America is nothing but a colony of israel?

[ladagerick]

What is your evidence for this? I suspect that if you exclude our subsidies to Israel, you will find the US no longer at the top of that list, (if it was there to begin with). I hear people say the US gives so much money, but the UN records indicate that we haven't paid dues in many years. I see Bush promise billions of dollars in AIDS support to Africa, then watch as the actual amount of aid received is a miniscule portion of what was promised. I'm not convinced. Especially since many African Nations unfortunately receive more aid from Saudi Arabia than from the West.

since you are looking up un records how much are the US dues compared to the other countries of the world?

[GREENSILVERHORN]

why do i feel like America is nothing but a colony of israel?

The Israel de England you mean.

Divide and conquer.

American history shines brightly in all mens eyes, but the present is dim.

[NUTS!]

Those suicide bombers would be coming for the US if they didn't have a closer, and more hated Israel to go after. So Israel, as a second front, is well worth the money. As for Egypt, well, supporting the current government prevents a more fundamentalist government from taking over.

I thought this was particularly astute. The counter argument is that the US is only #2 target because they support the #1 target Israel. I'm not 100% sure that's true. I think the US is hated by much of the Muslim world with or without their support of Israel.

Good point about the 2nd front.

[bigjon]

I thought this was particularly astute. The counter argument is that the US is only #2 target because they support the #1 target Israel. I'm not 100% sure that's true. I think the US is hated by much of the Muslim world with or without their support of Israel.

Good point about the 2nd front.

Showing pictures of people with bombs strapped to them, is NOT proof that someone committed suicide to bomb anyone/anything.

In the case of 9-11 here were NO suicide bombers.

9-11 was an inside job done by Zionists for the benifit of Israel.

[Book]

"why do i feel like America is nothing but a colony of israel?" -JerseyKid

because it is. link (http://www.aipac.org/)

Wolfowitz got us into (http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2003-08/articles/10739-1.html)the Iraq War so they gave him the World Bank.

:afraid: