* * * CIA releases video detailing 99% about the murder of JFK * * *

[Juristic Person]

Do you care? Do your own research. Ill get you started.....

Excellent! Now we're getting somewhere.

So we know that Lee Oswald was trained by the CIA while in the Navy. We also know that the CIA gave him assignments in Russian espionage.

So how does this Oswald/CIA connection of the mid-1950's link the Oswald to a CIA plot to kill the President a decade later?

[Wyldwil]

So which Oswald pulled the trigger and which Oswald did Jack Ruby kill?

What happened to the other Oswald?

And the biggest question of all....WHY did the CIA do it? (expecting more than 1 answer here)

I'm done.
I think you are a Misinformation/Disinformation shill.
Or worse....you're probably a lawyer if your handle is any clue.
You are clearly NOT an American, right??

Americans a conspiracy happy.

There is no way that one angry man with a high power rifle could kill the President!

And no. There is no ****ing way (as in impossible) that ONE man could kill the president with a rifle. Not in 1963 and not today.

Also, I'd rather watch paint dry than continue this conversation with you....the same satisfaction is to be had from both activities.

[Juristic Person]

I'm done.
I think you are a Misinformation/Disinformation shill.
Or worse....you're probably a lawyer if your handle is any clue.
You are clearly NOT an American, right??

Shucks. You figured me out.

And no. There is no ****ing way (as in impossible) that ONE man could kill the president with a rifle. Not in 1963 and not today.

Wow! That's quite a statement! A shot from a rifle can't kill the President?! Do you think the President is less mortal than any other man? Could a person kill a man with a rifle BEFORE he bcome President? Just wondering...:banghead:

Maybe you could ask someone at the gun show tomorrow.

Also, I'd rather watch paint dry than continue this conversation with you....the same satisfaction is to be had from both activities.

Sound to me like you've been sniffing that paint...

Unfortunately, that's a pleasure that I can't relate to.

[Wyldwil]

Your wait is soon over.....

[keehah]

What I can prove is that the man was a club owner who told his family and friends that if he had the oppportunity to, he would kill Oswald.


So you were talking out your ass then stating Ruby was not CIA?

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So which Oswald pulled the trigger and which Oswald did Jack Ruby kill?

What happened to the other Oswald?

And the biggest question of all....WHY did the CIA do it? (expecting more than 1 answer here)



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Those are my easiest decisions to make. When any particular action can offer up more than one benefit!

Last I checked, 8 seconds falls somewhere inbetween 5.6 and 8.3.
So you did get your information from the Warren Commision?

[mungo]

Lee Oswald killed JFK.

Move along....

He may have killed him but he cannot have been alone, therefore there was a conspiracy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/01/wkennedy101.xml
Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets'

By Tim Shipman in Washington, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 2:01am BST 02/07/2007


Lee Harvey Oswald could not have acted alone in assassinating President John F Kennedy, according to a new study by Italian weapons experts of the type of rifle Oswald used in the shootings.

In fresh tests of the Mannlicher-Carcano bolt-action weapon, supervised by the Italian army, it was found to be impossible for even an accomplished marksman to fire the shots quickly enough.

The findings will fuel continuing theories that Oswald was part of a larger conspiracy to murder the 35th American president on 22 November 1963.

The official Warren Commission inquiry into the shooting concluded the following year that Oswald was a lone gunman who fired three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 8.3 seconds.

But when the Italian team test-fired the identical model of gun, they were unable to load and fire three shots in less than 19 seconds - suggesting that a second gunman must have been present in Dealey Plaza, central Dallas, that day.

Two of the bullets hit Kennedy, with the first - the so called "magic bullet", ridiculed by conspiracy theorists - also wounding the governor of Texas, John B Connally, after it had struck the president.

In a further challenge to the official conclusions, the Italian team conducted two other tests at the former Carcano factory in Terni, north of Rome, where the murder weapon was made in 1940.

They fired bullets through two large pieces of meat, in an attempt to simulate the assumed path of the magic bullet. In their test, the bullet was deformed, unlike the first bullet in the Kennedy assassination, which remained largely intact.

The second bullet is thought to have missed its target. According to the commission, the third disintegrated when it hit Kennedy's head. The new research suggests, however, that this is incompatible with the fact that Oswald was only 80 yards away, in a book depository, when he fired. The Italian tests suggest that a bullet fired from that distance would have emerged intact from Kennedy's head, implying that the third shot must instead have come from a more distant location.

The findings will encourage conspiracy theorists who hold that Oswald could not have fired three shots in time. For each shot, he would have had to push up the gun's bolt handle, pull the bolt backwards to eject the spent cartridge case and then forward to slide the next round into the chamber, before turning down the bolt handle to lock it in place.

Nearly seven out of 10 Americans believe that Kennedy was murdered as a result of a plot. Depending on which theory they back, the participants supposedly included any or all of the CIA, the Mafia, the Cubans, the FBI chief J Edgar Hoover, the military-industrial complex and Vice-President Lyndon B Johnson.

It is the second challenge in two months to the view of the Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone. In May, researchers at Texas A&M University argued that the ballistics evidence used to rule out a second gunman had been misinterpreted.

The findings will be a frustration to Vincent Bugliosi, the author of a 1,600-page book, also published in May, which claimed to put to rest all the conspiracy theories of the past 44 years.

The Italian findings will be hotly contested by those who believe that Oswald was a lone gunman - not least because they contradict firing tests previously conducted, using Oswald's actual rifle, by the FBI and the US Marines, and another study by Washington police marksmen using an identical gun.

Oswald would only have needed to reload the weapon twice in the eight seconds to get off all three shots, since the time was measured only from the moment he fired the first shot. The FBI concluded that a marksman could have fired a shot at least every 2.3 seconds.

In his book, Mr Bugliosi details how after just two or three minutes' practice with the gun in 1979, three police marksmen aiming at three targets representing Kennedy at the same distance from Oswald, got away three shots in less than eight seconds.

One marksman hit the targets twice and missed the third shot by an inch. A second shooter scored a "kill" with his second shot.

Mr Bugliosi recounts three separate ballistics tests that found that the magic bullet could have wounded Kennedy and Connally and emerged in similar condition to the real bullet. But that is unlikely to stop the Italian research fuelling another generation of conspiracy writers.

[Waypoint-Trading]

Wow! That's quite a statement! A shot from a rifle can't kill the President?! Do you think the President is less mortal than any other man? Could a person kill a man with a rifle BEFORE he bcome President? Just wondering...:banghead:

Maybe you could ask someone at the gun show tomorrow.






You might find this interesting...........Oswald must have been superman on adreneline because no one has been able to duplicate the feat.....

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/griffith/Oswald_poor_shot.html

We cut to the chase here:


Some lone-gunman theorists will assert that Oswald's alleged shooting performance was duplicated by several expert marksmen in the CBS rifle test. However, the CBS test did not simulate all of the factors under which Oswald allegedly fired. Furthermore, the four riflemen who managed to score at least two hits out of three shots in less than six seconds failed to do so on their first attempts, yet Oswald would have had ONLY one attempt. And, needless to say, all of these men were experienced, expert riflemen. Seven of the eleven CBS shooters failed to score at least two hits on ANY of their attempts. The best shot in the group, Howard Donahue, took THREE attempts to score at least two hits out of three shots in under six seconds. In addition, the CBS shooters did not use the alleged murder weapon, with its difficult bolt and odd trigger--they used a different Carcano.
The impossibility of Oswald's alleged shooting feat was what led former Marine sniper Craig Roberts to reject the lone-gunman theory. Roberts explains as he recounts the first time he visited the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository: I turned my attention to the window in the southeast corner--the infamous Sniper's Nest. . . . I immediately felt like I had been hit with a sledge hammer. The word that came to mind at what I saw as I looked down through the window to Elm Street and the kill zone was: IMPOSSIBLE!
I knew instantly that Oswald could not have done it. . . . The reason I knew that Oswald could not have done it, was that *I* could not have done it. (KILL ZONE: A SNIPER LOOKS AT DEALEY PLAZA, p. 5)

Retired Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock is likewise skeptical of Oswald's alleged shooting feat. Hathcock is a former senior instructor at the U. S. Marine Corps Sniper Instruction School at Quantico, Virginia. He has been described as the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed kills. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper schools across the country. Craig Roberts asked Hathcock about the marksmanship feat attributed to Oswald by the Warren Commission. Hathcock answered that he did not believe Oswald could have done what the Commission said he did. Added Hathcock, Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. (KILL ZONE, pp. 89-90)

[mozkill]

That "Memorandum" images is amazing. Since when do government employees have time to write memorandums that would take hours to write? I don't know if I believe in 1000 word memorandums.