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mu-tiger
01-11-2008, 09:50 PM
Or: Why our forefathers wrote First Amendment:

"Once, books appealed to a few people, here, there, everywhere. They could afford to be different. The world was roomy. But then the world got full of eyes and elbows and mouths. Double, triple, quadruple population. Films and radios, magazines, books levelled down to a sort of paste pudding norm, do you follow me?"

"I think so."

Beatty peered at the smoke pattern he had put out on the air. "Picture it. Nineteenth-century man with his horses, dogs, carts, slow motion. Then, in the twentieth century, speed up your camera. Books cut shorter. Condensations, Digests. Tabloids. Everything boils down to the gag, the snap ending."

"Snap ending." Mildred nodded.

"Classics cut to fit fifteen-minute radio shows, then cut again to fill a two-minute book column, winding up at last as a ten- or twelve-line dictionary resume. I exaggerate, of course. The dictionaries were for reference. But many were those whose sole knowledge of Hamlet (you know the title certainly, Montag; it is probably only a faint rumour of a title to you, Mrs. Montag) whose sole knowledge, as I say, of Hamlet was a one-page digest in a book that claimed: 'now at least you can read all the classics; keep up with your neighbours.' Do you see? Out of the nursery into the college and back to the nursery; there's your intellectual pattern for the past five centuries or more."

Mildred arose and began to move around the room, picking things up and putting them down. Beatty ignored her and continued "Speed up the film, Montag, quick. Click? Pic? Look, Eye, Now, Flick, Here, There, Swift, Pace, Up, Down, In, Out, Why, How, Who, What, Where, Eh? Uh! Bang! Smack! Wallop, Bing, Bong, Boom! Digest-digests, digest-digest-digests. Politics? One column, two sentences, a headline! Then, in mid-air, all vanishes! Whirl man's mind around about so fast under the pumping hands of publishers, exploiters, broadcasters, that the centrifuge flings off all unnecessary, time-wasting thought!"

Mildred smoothed the bedclothes. Montag felt his heart jump and jump again as she patted his pillow. Right now she was pulling at his shoulder to try to get him to move so she could take the pillow out and fix it nicely and put it back. And perhaps cry out and stare or simply reach down her hand and say, "What's this?" and hold up the hidden book with touching innocence.

"School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored. Life is immediate, the job counts, pleasure lies all about after work. Why learn anything save pressing buttons, pulling switches, fitting nuts and bolts?"

"Let me fix your pillow," said Mildred.

"No! " whispered Montag,

Mildred said, "Here."

"Get away," said Montag.

"Life becomes one big pratfall, Montag; everything bang; boff, and wow!"

"Wow," said Mildred, yanking at the pillow.

"For God's sake, let me be!" cried Montag passionately.

Beatty opened his eyes wide.

Mildred's hand had frozen behind the pillow. Her fingers were tracing the book's outline and as the shape became familiar her face looked surprised and then stunned. Her mouth opened to ask a question...

"Empty the theatres save for clowns and furnish the rooms with glass walls and pretty colours running up and down the walls like confetti or blood or sherry or sauterne. You like baseball, don't you, Montag?"

"Baseball's a fine game."

Now Beatty was almost invisible, a voice somewhere behind a screen of smoke.

"What's this?" asked Mildred, almost with delight. Montag heaved back against her arms. "What's this here?"

"Sit down!" Montag shouted. She jumped away, her hands empty. "We're talking! "

Beatty went on as if nothing had happened. "You like bowling, don't you, Montag?"

"Bowling, yes."

"And golf?"

"Golf is a fine game."

"Basketball?"

"A fine game.".

"Billiards, pool? Football?"

"Fine games, all of them."

"More sports for everyone, group spirit, fun, and you don't have to think, eh? Organize and organize and superorganize super-super sports. More cartoons in books. More pictures. The mind drinks less and less. Impatience. Highways full of crowds going somewhere, somewhere, somewhere, nowhere. The gasoline refugee. Towns turn into motels, people in nomadic surges from place to place, following the moon tides, living tonight in the room where you slept this noon and I the night before."

Mildred went out of the room and slammed the door. The parlour "aunts" began to laugh at the parlour "uncles."

"Now let's take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? Bigger the population, the more minorities. Don't step on the toes of the dog? lovers, the cat? lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second? generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico. The people in this book, this play, this TV serial are not meant to represent any actual painters, cartographers, mechanics anywhere. The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that! All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters. They did. Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca. Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater. No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said. But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic books survive. And the three dimensional sex magazines, of course. There you have it, Montag. It didn't come from the Government down. There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no! Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God. Today, thanks to them, you can stay happy all the time, you are allowed to read comics, the good old confessions, or trade journals."

"Yes, but what about the firemen, then?" asked Montag.

"Ah." Beatty leaned forward in the faint mist of smoke from his pipe. "What more easily explained and natural? With school turning out more runners, jumpers, racers, tinkerers, grabbers, snatchers, fliers, and swimmers instead of examiners, critics, knowers, and imaginative creators, the word 'intellectual,' of course, became the swear word it deserved to be. You always dread the unfamiliar. Surely you remember the boy in your own school class who was exceptionally 'bright,' did most of the reciting and answering while the others sat like so many leaden idols, hating him. And wasn't it this bright boy you selected for beatings and tortures after hours? Of course it was. We must all be alike. Not everyone born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone made equal. Each man the image of every other; then all are happy, for there are no mountains to make them cower, to judge themselves against. So! A book is a loaded gun in the house next door. Burn it. Take the shot from the weapon. Breach man's mind. Who knows who might be the target of the well? read man? Me? I won't stomach them for a minute. And so when houses were finally fireproofed completely, all over the world (you were correct in your assumption the other night) there was no longer need of firemen for the old purposes. They were given the new job, as custodians of our peace of mind, the focus of our understandable and rightful dread of being inferior; official censors, judges, and executors. That's you, Montag, and that's me."

The door to the parlour opened and Mildred stood there looking in at them, looking at Beatty and then at Montag. Behind her the walls of the room were flooded with green and yellow and orange fireworks sizzling and bursting to some music composed almost completely of trap? drums, tom? toms, and cymbals. Her mouth moved and she was saying something but the sound covered it.

Beatty knocked his pipe into the palm of his pink hand, studied the ashes as if they were a symbol to be diagnosed and searched for meaning.

"You must understand that our civilization is so vast that we can't have our minorities upset and stirred. Ask yourself, What do we want in this country, above all? People want to be happy, isn't that right? Haven't you heard it all your life? I want to be happy, people say. Well, aren't they? Don't we keep them moving, don't we give them fun? That's all we live for, isn't it? For pleasure, for titillation? And you must admit our culture provides plenty of these."

"Yes."

Montag could lip read what Mildred was saying in the doorway. He tried not to look at her mouth, because then Beatty might turn and read what was there, too.

"Coloured people don't like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin. Burn it. Someone's written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag. Take your fight outside. Better yet, into the incinerator. Funerals are unhappy and pagan? Eliminate them, too. Five minutes after a person is dead he's on his way to the Big Flue, the Incinerators serviced by helicopters all over the country. Ten minutes after death a man's a speck of black dust. Let's not quibble over individuals with memoriams. Forget them. Burn them all, burn everything. Fire is bright and fire is clean."

The fireworks died in the parlour behind Mildred. She had stopped talking at the same time; a miraculous coincidence. Montag held his breath.

"There was a girl next door," he said, slowly. "She's gone now, I think, dead. I can't even remember her face. But she was different. How? how did she happen?"

Beatty smiled. "Here or there, that's bound to occur. Clarisse McClellan? We've a record on her family. We've watched them carefully. Heredity and environment are funny things. You can't rid yourselves of all the odd ducks in just a few years. The home environment can undo a lot you try to do at school. That's why we've lowered the kindergarten age year after year until now we're almost snatching them from the cradle. We had some false alarms on the McClellans, when they lived in Chicago. Never found a book. Uncle had a mixed record; antisocial. The girl? She was a time bomb. The family had been feeding her subconscious, I'm sure, from what I saw of her school record. She didn't want to know how a thing was done, but why. That can be embarrassing. You ask 'why' to a lot of things and you wind up very unhappy indeed, if you keep at it. The poor girl's better off dead."

"Yes, dead."

"Luckily, queer ones like her don't happen, often. We know how to nip most of them in the bud, early. You can't build a house without nails and wood. If you don't want a house built, hide the nails and wood. If you don't want a man unhappy politically, don't give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the Government is inefficient, topheavy, and tax mad, better it be all those than that people worry over it. Peace, Montag. Give the people contests they win by remembering the words to more popular songs or the names of state capitals or how much corn Iowa grew last year. Cram them full of non-combustible data, chock them so damned full of 'facts' they feel stuffed, but absolutely 'brilliant' with information. Then they'll feel they're thinking, they'll get a sense of motion without moving. And they'll be happy, because facts of that sort don't change. Don't give them any slippery stuff like philosophy or sociology to tie things up with. That way lies melancholy. Any man who can take a TV wall apart and put it back together again, and most men can nowadays, is happier than any man who tries to slide rule, measure, and equate the universe, which just won't be measured or equated without making man feel bestial and lonely. I know, I've tried it; to hell with it. So bring on your clubs and parties, your acrobats and magicians, your dare-devils, jet cars, motorcycles, helicopters, your sex and heroin, more of everything to do with automatic reflex. If the drama is bad, if the film says nothing, if the play is hollow, sting me with the theremin, loudly. I'll think I'm responding to the play, when it's only a tactile reaction to vibration. But I don't care. I just like solid entertainment."

Beatty got up. "I must be going. Lecture's over. I hope I've clarified things. The important thing for you to remember, Montag, is we're the Happiness Boys, the Dixie Duo, you and I and the others. We stand against the small tide of those who want to make everyone unhappy with conflicting theory and thought. We have our fingers in the dyke. Hold steady. Don't let the torrent of melancholy and drear philosophy drown our world. We depend on you. I don't think you realize how important you are, to our happy world as it stands now."

Beatty shook Montag's limp hand. Montag still sat, as if the house were collapsing about him and he could not move, in the bed. Mildred had vanished from the door.

"One last thing," said Beatty. "At least once in his career, every fireman gets an itch. What do the books say, he wonders. Oh, to scratch that itch, eh? Well, Montag, take my word for it, I've had to read a few in my time, to know what I was about, and the books say nothing! Nothing you can teach or believe. They're about non? existent people, figments of imagination, if they're fiction. And if they're nonfiction, it's worse, one professor calling another an idiot, one philosopher screaming down another's gullet. All of them running about, putting out the stars and extinguishing the sun. You come away lost."

"Well, then, what if a fireman accidentally, really not, intending anything, takes a book home with him?"

Montag twitched. The open door looked at him with its great vacant eye.

"A natural error. Curiosity alone," said Beatty. "We don't get over-anxious or mad. We let the fireman keep the book twenty-four hours. If he hasn't burned it by then, we simply come and burn it for him."

"Of course." Montag's mouth was dry.

"Well, Montag. Will you take another, later shift, today? Will we see you tonight perhaps?"

"I don't know," said Montag.

"What?" Beatty looked faintly surprised.

Montag shut his eyes. "I'll be in later. Maybe."

"We'd certainly miss you if you didn't show," said Beatty, putting his pipe in his pocket thoughtfully.

"I'll never come in again," thought Montag.

"Get well and keep well," said Beatty. He turned and went out through the open door.

Montag watched through the window as Beatty drove away in his gleaming yellow-flame coloured beetle with the black, char-coloured tyres.

Across the street and down the way the other houses stood with their flat fronts. What was it Clarisse had said one afternoon? "No front porches. My uncle says there used to be front porches. And people sat there sometimes at night, talking when they wanted to talk, rocking, and not talking when they didn't want to talk. Sometimes they just sat there and thought about things, turned things over. My uncle says the architects got rid of the front porches because they didn't look well. But my uncle says that was merely rationalizing it; the real reason, hidden underneath, might be they didn't want people sitting like that, doing nothing, rocking, talking; that was the wrong kind of social life. People talked too much. And they had time to think. So they ran off with the porches. And the gardens, too. Not many gardens any more to sit around in. And look at the furniture. No rocking chairs any more. They're too comfortable. Get people up and running around. My uncle says... and... my uncle... and... my uncle..." Her voice faded.

Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451, (c) 1953, 1981

Infidel
01-11-2008, 10:46 PM
should not be in U.S. Constitution

RichG
01-11-2008, 11:05 PM
Discussing Zionism will not get anyone banned. But hijacking threads will (if done often enough). People come to this board to learn about stocks, and precious metals. It was never intended to turn into a soapbox for any one crowd. Religion, politics, abortion, gay rights, etc., are all gallivanting issues, that eventually leads to some pretty heated discussions, and eventually leads to someone getting a warning, or banned.

The mods have tolerated a lot of nonsense, and it seemed like every other thread on this board last month was some 'Zionist' this or that. Positive discussion of other topics stopped, or was drowned out. Every thread had some 'anti-Zion' post inserted. The board was getting out of control, and we where losing a lot more substantive posters, and gaining crap in return. If we wanted to retain the integrity of this board, and allow open and free discussion for all, without each thread disintegrating into 'you are a Zionist then' crap, the bar had to be lowered.

We get the 'Zion' thing ..... just do a search here if you don't get it by now, you will find hundreds of threads that will explain it to you. No one here is trying to hide anything. All those 'Zion' threads are still here, and I am confidant that more are still to come.

Mature, intellectual, respectful discussion will never be silenced here. That is what makes this forum great. Everyone here has an obligation to insure that the integrity of this forum is maintained at its highest level, so new members can take sanction here and voice their opinions and wisdom, so we all can learn new things. Isn't that why we are here .... to learn? We all want to be taken seriously and not have our honor stolen from us by a few who do not understand decency, and self-control.

So either lead, follow, or get out of the way, otherwise you have no place here. :smokin:

aeondaze
01-11-2008, 11:41 PM
Being out of the country recently I came back to find GIMers have been gagged.

Why?

Why is it that the inordinate political clout this organisation wields cannot be discussed in a rational light without others resorting to obnoxious and snide innuendo about other posters supposed "racial" motivations.......?

This has always been a political fight, not a racial or religious one but unfortunately questioning it is distorted into racism?

Why do those that seek to prevent others discussing this political organisations machinations, underpinnings and ideology resort to cries of 'racist' when it is clear that this organisations predominant goal is simply to en grandiose themselves globally.

This IS a political fight. It is my firm belief that should those with backbone chose to conduct it on political grounds there is naught the charlatans can do...:applause_

It is remarkable how subversive conduits exist to promote this organisations specific ideals (ie: megaphone software) and yet we are intellectually hobbled by those very same forces that promote these pervasive extremist views....?

This is not about racism....this is about obscuring the publics view of certain sinister organisations that lurk treacherously beneath the body politic of most western sovereignties.

This is a call to arms of sorts. Those that wish to defeat this lurking menace need to treat those organisations politically, meeting then with equal force and fervor. All good citizens of the world have a right and possibly a duty to defeat this insidious institution before anymore blood is spilled by them via those honest "Western" nations ensnared in their treacherous clutches.

:no_ma:

RiverRat
01-12-2008, 12:38 AM
:rolleyes_m: The average US citizen no longer has a sense of nationality because the politically correct A$$ Wipes control public sentiment through the mass media.

Racial and religious prejudice is alive and well in other countries,so get over it.

Political correctness has went extreme here in the US to the point it's permeated our laws and diluted our nationality.

We have now become a nation of seperate ethnic groups who all think they are top dog and gladly are willing to sue the pants off any other ethnic group who thinks otherwise.

:puke::puke::puke:

I lost all sense of patriotism a long time ago...the US has become an ethnic playground for the rest of the world to laugh at.

That religious/ethnic conspiracies to rule the world exist,I have no doubt.

United as citizens all the conspiracy theories in the world wouldn't matter.Unfortunately it has become politically incorrect to question any and all ethnic/religious groups or their agendas.
This results in mass dilution of a common front weakening the political power base of the US to the point it's gone completely insane.

Instead of venting your personal agenda against this or that ethnic/religious group contribute something constructive to help other GIM members who are in the same sinking boat.

We are now in a silent undeclared war of the citizens vs the government.

The funny thing is...we didn't start the war...they did.

Ethnic/religious bashing serves no purpose.It only pushes more important issues like individual economic survival off the table and detracts from the original reason most of us came to GIM for in the first place.

Keep that in mind next time you start a personal agenda thread that is of no use to anyone but you personally.
If it concerns the GIM membership as a whole it's worth posting.
If not,you are just taking up space here and contributing nothing constructive.

BTW: What RichG said...+1

:yes::yes::yes:

aeondaze
01-12-2008, 12:57 AM
'Patriotism' in its current incarnation is for suckers.

It is nothing more than the process of fomenting jingoistic perceptions of nation with which to use against the citizenry at the appropriate time to circumvent self determination :wink: Think Nazi Germany....

Unfortunately I never used the term patriotic duties, merely "good citizens"

If this is what may define a new "patriotism", then well and fine...

mu-tiger
01-12-2008, 07:57 AM
Some people choose to make 'Zionism' about religion or ethncity, that is true. However, it was birthed as a secular notion. Anyone can read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

BTW, Wikipedia was founded by a Jewish person, and one need not be Jewish to be a zionist.

I know many fine people of many ethnic backgrounds, both in real life and online; this thread isn't about ethnicity or religion, although some will choose to make it so. However, i support freedom of speech, as long as it isn't inciting others to violence on mere religion, lack thereof, sexual orientation, gender, IQ, marital status or ethnicity -- from either point of view. To call for one group's silencing is to call for my own silence.

Our country's founders were treasonists and seditionists, and i fully agree with Mr. Franklin's observation that 'Those who would give up essential liberties for a little safety deserve neither.'

i too have been the target of racial and gender bias, mislabelled all sorts of various names by people who don't know me, my values, or reasoning, and who won't listen if i attempted to share them. It isn't pretty and it isn't fun; however, i still manage to support the excercise of free speech. i wasn't reared with this value; i came to it of my own accord, having been reared in a xenophobic area of the country to have xenophobic attitudes. Quite simply, i found it ludicrous to believe that anyone is superior based on the things i mentioned above -- or that the silencing of people who choose to believe in it will solve all the world's ills.

If everyone married everyone of every ethnicity and religion til we were all a bland shade of tan and the world became one religion or no religion, there would be filial, tribal, and clan wars, unless we who believe otherwise teach our children that hate is simply not ok, and then, they would hate anyway, being children. Some would grow out of it; many would not.

i'm not religious but i'd like to share a parting thought:

http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~vivy/Stories/Story_Heaven.htm

i invite you to reread the excerpt from Mr. Bradbury's outstanding book, and the story i just shared, back to back.

Thanks to those of you who read my posts in this thread, en toto, and to those who did that, then actually paused to give them thought. and thanks to everyone who posted, for excercising your right to free speech.

rodin
01-12-2008, 10:27 AM
International Jews are running the show into a ground of their choosing. These power brokers and wielders are a threat to most Jews and Gentiles alike. Those from either group who cannot resist the incentives to amorality and worse are complicit. A larger constituency from either group are duped. Some are blackmailed, and gentile figureheads in particular are chosen because they accept the bribe or are being blackmailed, possibly after a honey money trap was set and they took the bait.

The International Jews use the Talmud as a belief system that justifies the swindling of wider humanity. It preaches this as a positive doctrine. We are a product of our nature and nurture. Go figure.

Right now Elite Jews own most everything - take a look at the Vanity Fair rich list - over 50% are Jewish and that excludes the likes of Rupert Murdoch and several others with form. It also excludes the REALLY rich - members of banking dynasties whose wealth is off-limits to public audit.

Taking the exposing of this truth into the realms of offensive and personal language got some posters banned. I like most of these guys. But I see their mistake. I will argue with them about this on the 'other forum' but right now there are higher priorities.

I don't hold back on this forum. I don't get censored. I post what I see, as best I can. I am learning about the Zionist angle as are most. Without the internet I too would be in the dark.

Anyone wanting to check out the real nature, constituency, modus operandi and intentions of the Invisible Empire could do worse than research the Rothschild dynasty.

GoldWampum
01-13-2008, 01:23 AM
A stack of those letters will be nice to have when the charmin runs out.:wink:

GoldWampum
01-13-2008, 01:43 AM
:hahaha:Funny, good and noble are not the first two words that come to mind when I hear GWB's name.

The good Rabbi and I may have a difference of opinion.:banghead:

GoldWampum
01-13-2008, 02:37 AM
Depends on your prospective.

No Israeli has been harmed in the making of this war on terror.

Well I'd know better what the Rabbi said, if he'd said it in a language I could understand if that's what you mean. I was referring to the letters. I don't support the US supplying money, arms and lives in Israel's protection, but then I feel the same way about just about every foreign country.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, US residents can send their money, arms and lives in support of whatever foreign cause they want voluntarily.

Screw cow-towing to a foreign Country. The umbilical to Israel and the rest of the mid-east needs to be cut.

Sorry if there was a mis-understanding.

Ardent Listener
01-25-2008, 02:55 PM
I for one do not have a problem with a disscusion about 'Zionism' as a political/military or even terriorist movement. But the problem is that the word 'jew' is often used in place of it. I just cannot believe that all jews are part of a zionist conspircy.

Infidel
01-25-2008, 03:45 PM
I for one do not have a problem with a disscusion about 'Zionism' as a political/military or even terriorist movement. But the problem is that the word 'jew' is often used in place of it. I just cannot believe that all jews are part of a zionist conspircy.

http://zionistconspiracy.org/

californiajeff
01-31-2008, 01:00 AM
I'm offended by the word gentile.

ShirleyUGeste
01-31-2008, 03:05 AM
I'm offended by the word gentile.

The word "gentile" is biblical, and is used only to describe someone who is not Jewish. According to St. Paul, Jesus used this very word when he instructed Paul to spread the "Good News" to non-Jews. I don't mind intelligent discussions about Judaism, Israel, or Zionism. What I mind is that more often than not the posts are nothing but thinly-concealed hatred, ignorance, bitterness, jealousy, and scap-goatism at their worst.

I was raised a Christian. I have friends who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist, and agnostic. Each of them deserves my respect and courtesy, whether or not I accept their religious philosophy. I prefer to judge people by their character, not their faith.

Agamemnon
06-13-2008, 12:33 AM
Why hide your disdain behind the mask named "Zionist" ?

Would banning the word "Zionism" bring uglier thoughts to light ... ?

WAoG
06-13-2008, 03:20 AM
The word "gentile" is biblical, and is used only to describe someone who is not Jewish. According to St. Paul, Jesus used this very word when he instructed Paul to spread the "Good News" to non-Jews. I don't mind intelligent discussions about Judaism, Israel, or Zionism. What I mind is that more often than not the posts are nothing but thinly-concealed hatred, ignorance, bitterness, jealousy, and scap-goatism at their worst.

I was raised a Christian. I have friends who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist, and agnostic. Each of them deserves my respect and courtesy, whether or not I accept their religious philosophy. I prefer to judge people by their character, not their faith.

A gentile I always thought was a person not of the Tribes of Israel.

Today the word seems to be used by non Hebrews and brainwashed Christians to call true Hebrews goy or gentile.

rodin
06-13-2008, 05:16 AM
Why hide your disdain behind the mask named "Zionist" ?

Would banning the word "Zionism" bring uglier thoughts to light ... ?

Zionism is not the line in the desert sand. It was a sub-conspiracy by Ashkenazi to get on to ME oil among other things. Talmudic Judaism is a Mafiya-like organisation binding core members. Jews are expected to serve other Jews before gentiles or the interests of the country they reside in (apart from Israel) and so long as they accept this perogative they are a menace to other people. How can it be otherwise? I would like to know.

By this method of supporting each other versus every other they have wormed into every nook and cranny of power and if we (and they) don't do something about it soon there will be a clash of civilisations all right.

This terrible takeover has got to be stopped. By all people, including Jews who reject fraud. It's not enough for Jews to be 'Anti-Zionist'. They must become anti-racist. Anti-supremacist.

I bet most of them are decent like any other group. But like any other group thay are open to intimidation, indoctrination and enticements. If the elite choose to favour the chosen, why would they rebel?

Change of 'heart' will only ever happen if we, the goy, make following in the footsteps of the authors of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion a path with more downside than upside. Exposing it on the internet is one way of levelling the playing field of knowledge. Knowledge is power and power leads to change

Another issue is secret ritual, which seems to have some basis in fact, and seems to go on or have gone on among certain Jews, and other so called Satanist cults. Freemasonry and Skull and Bones being but two examples. Who taps up future politicians and invites them into the crypt for sex and sacrifice and why? Surely to 'blood' them so that once in service they are bound by their dark deeds.

All in all the state is rotten, corrupt, lethal to truth and good people, and currently controlled by Jews. And there's no getting away from that.

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Possibly even your President

And not just your country. All countries - just about - if you dig deep enough

People must be taught that Communism was a Jewish ploy, to take over, control and conduct industrial scale genocide on countries, and that their own country is being moved towards a communist dictatorship right now. Imagine a global Soviet Union, with freedom to indulge in any sexual perversion but not to reveal or discuss truth on pain of imprisonment or death, freedom to serve but never to lead. Where merit is exploited and integrity crushed. With elite Jews living forever and creating life as a 'resource' for their benefit.

Kennedy was absolutely right. Secrecy is abhorrent in a free and open society. It should be put in its rightful place - exposed, despised, rendered worthless as a currency of power. Those prepared to be open, honest - the majority I think and hope - must sieze the reins of power and replace this top-down system of government with a neural-networked non-heirarchical system of government where every decision is taken in the open according to the interests of the majority directly, not elected representatives. Internet could enable this. It is a fantastic community-builder. Soon, absent lies, propaganda and coercion the peoples of the world would reach common and just ground and a deeper understanding of themselves, humanity, the pobelms and opportunities we face.

The corrupt systems we have laboured under have some grains of truth in them. For example, at the limit runaway wealth and power is inimicable to society, but at the lowest levels equality by decree is a recipe for corruption and stagnation. Absent one-sided propaganda a proper balance between welfare and dependency will be reached. This is true of all policy. Lay out the facts, let informed debate, and the best policy should emerge.

Enough already

Too much for one post

honu5050
06-13-2008, 06:54 AM
banning is what the trend is.... not only in the usa ,but all over. i refuse to be "politicaly correct" or (told what i can or cant say) call it as ya feel or we will be sucked into their game.

Agamemnon
06-13-2008, 07:23 AM
Zionism is not the line in the desert sand. It was a sub-conspiracy by Ashkenazi to get on to ME oil among other things. Talmudic Judaism is a Mafiya-like organisation binding core members. Jews are expected to serve other Jews before gentiles or the interests of the country they reside in (apart from Israel) and so long as they accept this perogative they are a menace to other people. How can it be otherwise? I would like to know.

By this method of supporting each other versus every other they have wormed into every nook and cranny of power and if we (and they) don't do something about it soon there will be a clash of civilisations all right.

This terrible takeover has got to be stopped. By all people, including Jews who reject fraud. It's not enough for Jews to be 'Anti-Zionist'. They must become anti-racist. Anti-supremacist.

I bet most of them are decent like any other group. But like any other group thay are open to intimidation, indoctrination and enticements. If the elite choose to favour the chosen, why would they rebel?

Change of 'heart' will only ever happen if we, the goy, make following in the footsteps of the authors of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion a path with more downside than upside. Exposing it on the internet is one way of levelling the playing field of knowledge. Knowledge is power and power leads to change

Another issue is secret ritual, which seems to have some basis in fact, and seems to go on or have gone on among certain Jews, and other so called Satanist cults. Freemasonry and Skull and Bones being but two examples. Who taps up future politicians and invites them into the crypt for sex and sacrifice and why? Surely to 'blood' them so that once in service they are bound by their dark deeds.

All in all the state is rotten, corrupt, lethal to truth and good people, and currently controlled by Jews. And there's no getting away from that.

ORDER


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Michael_Chertoff%2C_official_DHS_photo_portrait%2C _2007.jpg/225px-Michael_Chertoff%2C_official_DHS_photo_portrait%2C _2007.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michael_Chertoff%2C_official_DHS_photo_portr ait%2C_2007.jpg)
LAW

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Michael_Mukasey%2C_official_AG_photo_portrait%2C_2 007.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michael_Mukasey%2C_official_AG_photo_portrai t%2C_2007.jpg)

MONEY

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Ben_Bernanke.jpg/225px-Ben_Bernanke.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ben_Bernanke.jpg)
Media of course

Possibly even your President

And not just your country. All countries - just about - if you dig deep enough

People must be taught that Communism was a Jewish ploy, to take over, control and conduct industrial scale genocide on countries, and that their own country is being moved towards a communist dictatorship right now. Imagine a global Soviet Union, with freedom to indulge in any sexual perversion but not to reveal or discuss truth on pain of imprisonment or death, freedom to serve but never to lead. Where merit is exploited and integrity crushed. With elite Jews living forever and creating life as a 'resource' for their benefit.

Kennedy was absolutely right. Secrecy is abhorrent in a free and open society. It should be put in its rightful place - exposed, despised, rendered worthless as a currency of power. Those prepared to be open, honest - the majority I think and hope - must sieze the reins of power and replace this top-down system of government with a neural-networked non-heirarchical system of government where every decision is taken in the open according to the interests of the majority directly, not elected representatives. Internet could enable this. It is a fantastic community-builder. Soon, absent lies, propaganda and coercion the peoples of the world would reach common and just ground and a deeper understanding of themselves, humanity, the pobelms and opportunities we face.

The corrupt systems we have laboured under have some grains of truth in them. For example, at the limit runaway wealth and power is inimicable to society, but at the lowest levels equality by decree is a recipe for corruption and stagnation. Absent one-sided propaganda a proper balance between welfare and dependency will be reached. This is true of all policy. Lay out the facts, let informed debate, and the best policy should emerge.

Enough already

Too much for one post

Why the complicated conspiracy theory when simply stating (I hate most Jews) would suffice ?

SLV>GLD
06-13-2008, 07:26 AM
honu, I feel you. I also know that this website belongs to private individuals who can do with it what they will. They felt the quality of the site was remiss for the majority of the visitors. They took steps to remediate this. No one is censoring or gagging anyone. there are no rights here to be trampled. Don't like it? Leave and start your own Anti-Zionist site and devote your hours of life and love to keeping it running.

Nobody has suckered you into visiting GIM, there is no game.

honu5050
06-13-2008, 08:23 AM
honu, I feel you. I also know that this website belongs to private individuals who can do with it what they will. They felt the quality of the site was remiss for the majority of the visitors. They took steps to remediate this. No one is censoring or gagging anyone. there are no rights here to be trampled. Don't like it? Leave and start your own Anti-Zionist site and devote your hours of life and love to keeping it running.

Nobody has suckered you into visiting GIM, there is no game. the post is ment accross da board not aimed at only one site. its a trend nowdays to force and or coherse anyone out of step into step. and that go's against (whats left) of the first amendant.tptb pressure. i responded to a topic simple as that.

rodin
06-13-2008, 08:44 AM
Why the complicated conspiracy theory when simply stating (I hate most Jews) would suffice ?

I do not hate anyone. And absolutely not, no, your 'version' would not do. You are disingenuous and almost certainly a sayanim gatekeeper. Either that or you have bought the 'persecuted' BS. That was an agressive, undignified, and unwarranted response.

EDIT

Ignore list until further notice

Libertarian_Guard
06-13-2008, 12:06 PM
Zionism is not the line in the desert sand. It was a sub-conspiracy by Ashkenazi to get on to ME oil among other things. Talmudic Judaism is a Mafiya-like organisation binding core members. Jews are expected to serve other Jews before gentiles or the interests of the country they reside in (apart from Israel) and so long as they accept this perogative they are a menace to other people. How can it be otherwise? I would like to know.

By this method of supporting each other versus every other they have wormed into every nook and cranny of power and if we (and they) don't do something about it soon there will be a clash of civilisations all right.

This terrible takeover has got to be stopped. By all people, including Jews who reject fraud. It's not enough for Jews to be 'Anti-Zionist'. They must become anti-racist. Anti-supremacist.

I bet most of them are decent like any other group. But like any other group thay are open to intimidation, indoctrination and enticements. If the elite choose to favour the chosen, why would they rebel?

Change of 'heart' will only ever happen if we, the goy, make following in the footsteps of the authors of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion a path with more downside than upside. Exposing it on the internet is one way of levelling the playing field of knowledge. Knowledge is power and power leads to change

Another issue is secret ritual, which seems to have some basis in fact, and seems to go on or have gone on among certain Jews, and other so called Satanist cults. Freemasonry and Skull and Bones being but two examples. Who taps up future politicians and invites them into the crypt for sex and sacrifice and why? Surely to 'blood' them so that once in service they are bound by their dark deeds.

All in all the state is rotten, corrupt, lethal to truth and good people, and currently controlled by Jews. And there's no getting away from that.

ORDER


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Michael_Chertoff%2C_official_DHS_photo_portrait%2C _2007.jpg/225px-Michael_Chertoff%2C_official_DHS_photo_portrait%2C _2007.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michael_Chertoff%2C_official_DHS_photo_portr ait%2C_2007.jpg)
LAW

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Michael_Mukasey%2C_official_AG_photo_portrait%2C_2 007.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michael_Mukasey%2C_official_AG_photo_portrai t%2C_2007.jpg)

MONEY

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Ben_Bernanke.jpg/225px-Ben_Bernanke.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ben_Bernanke.jpg)
Media of course

Possibly even your President

And not just your country. All countries - just about - if you dig deep enough

People must be taught that Communism was a Jewish ploy, to take over, control and conduct industrial scale genocide on countries, and that their own country is being moved towards a communist dictatorship right now. Imagine a global Soviet Union, with freedom to indulge in any sexual perversion but not to reveal or discuss truth on pain of imprisonment or death, freedom to serve but never to lead. Where merit is exploited and integrity crushed. With elite Jews living forever and creating life as a 'resource' for their benefit.

Kennedy was absolutely right. Secrecy is abhorrent in a free and open society. It should be put in its rightful place - exposed, despised, rendered worthless as a currency of power. Those prepared to be open, honest - the majority I think and hope - must sieze the reins of power and replace this top-down system of government with a neural-networked non-heirarchical system of government where every decision is taken in the open according to the interests of the majority directly, not elected representatives. Internet could enable this. It is a fantastic community-builder. Soon, absent lies, propaganda and coercion the peoples of the world would reach common and just ground and a deeper understanding of themselves, humanity, the pobelms and opportunities we face.

The corrupt systems we have laboured under have some grains of truth in them. For example, at the limit runaway wealth and power is inimicable to society, but at the lowest levels equality by decree is a recipe for corruption and stagnation. Absent one-sided propaganda a proper balance between welfare and dependency will be reached. This is true of all policy. Lay out the facts, let informed debate, and the best policy should emerge.

Enough already

Too much for one post



If all this was written out, off the top of your head, I'll tip my hat to you. Very well writen and deep, but for someone that is new to thinking outside of the 'box' it is utterly incompherendable.

You are indeed a most valuable asset here at GIM!

Thanks

PatColo
06-13-2008, 02:33 PM
I just cannot believe that all jews are part of a zionist conspircy.

Rank & file Jews aren't "all part of a zionist conspiracy", but too many are dupes/victims of a long term Zionist "terror" hoax where they're asked to believe that there's a perpetual danger to their wellbeing from a shadowy cabal of irrational haters... an elusive "outside enemy" they must stay united behind their "leaders" against. Rank & file Jews who see through the game and shout "BS!" are smeared "self-hating Jews". It's the same play book as the grander-scale war on terror hoax the Zionists rolled out in seeking to dupe/victimize/enslave the taxpayers of Western nations.

Why hide your disdain behind the mask named "Zionist" ?

Why do political Zionists (http://zoa.org) try to deflect criticism of their global racketeering & Holocausting (http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1446/81/) activities behind a whole population of innocent rank & file Jewish meat shields? :dontknow:

rodin
06-13-2008, 02:54 PM
Rank & file Jews aren't "all part of a zionist conspiracy", but too many are dupes/victims of a long term Zionist "terror" hoax where they're asked to believe that there's a perpetual danger to their wellbeing from a shadowy cabal of irrational haters... an elusive "outside enemy" they must stay united behind their "leaders" against. Rank & file Jews who see through the game and shout "BS!" are smeared "self-hating Jews". It's the same play book as the grander-scale war on terror hoax the Zionists rolled out in seeking to dupe/victimize/enslave the taxpayers of Western nations.



Why do political Zionists (http://zoa.org) try to deflect criticism of their global racketeering & Holocausting (http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1446/81/) activities behind a whole population of innocent rank & file Jewish meat shields? :dontknow:

You got it down pat, Pat

rodin
06-13-2008, 03:10 PM
If all this was written out, off the top of your head, I'll tip my hat to you. Very well writen and deep, but for someone that is new to thinking outside of the 'box' it is utterly incompherendable.

You are indeed a most valuable asset here at GIM!

Thanks

Appreciation appreciated.

Agamemnon
06-13-2008, 07:50 PM
Why do political Zionists try to deflect criticism of their global racketeering & Holocausting activities behind a whole population of innocent rank & file Jewish meat shields? :dontknow:

"Political Zionist" is a redundant term ... this is why you are :dontknow:

Are there "Zionist" and then "Political Zionist" ?

I have noticed that Rodin divided the Jews in two separate races to accommodate this redundancy of yours ... your own choice of words seem to confirm his pet theory.

Got all bases covered I see.

Libertarian_Guard
06-13-2008, 08:28 PM
The Zionists were very successful in using religion for political purposes. This is prohibited by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which states the Government should recognize no "religous establishment." In the case of Zionism and Israel, the U.S. has recognized and supported a religious establishment--viz: the State of Israel which in turn discriminates against all non-Jewish religions.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/oralhist/wright.htm

randman
06-13-2008, 08:49 PM
The word "gentile" is biblical, and is used only to describe someone who is not Jewish. According to St. Paul, Jesus used this very word when he instructed Paul to spread the "Good News" to non-Jews. I don't mind intelligent discussions about Judaism, Israel, or Zionism. What I mind is that more often than not the posts are nothing but thinly-concealed hatred, ignorance, bitterness, jealousy, and scap-goatism at their worst.

I was raised a Christian. I have friends who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist, and agnostic. Each of them deserves my respect and courtesy, whether or not I accept their religious philosophy. I prefer to judge people by their character, not their faith.
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Ahhh Shirley ....finally a voice of reason among the agenda pushers

Good on ya!