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NASDAQ_400
03-29-2003, 04:36 PM
MARCH 29, 2003
Cakewalk? What cakewalk?
As Iraq war drags on longer than the hawks predicted, White House faces an uphill political battle

By Leon Hadar
IN WASHINGTON

ON THE eve of Gulf War II, Mr Richard Perle, who was then chairman of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, predicted that unseating Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein would be 'a cakewalk'.

The expectation of Mr Perle - who resigned from his post yesterday over a conflict-of-interest controversy involving a corporate deal - that the war against Iraq would be quick and mostly 'clean', leading to the swift surrender of Mr Saddam, was shared by many.

Among them, the hawkish inside and outside the Bush administration, including Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who pressed President George W. Bush to go to war.

For several months, the members of the 'Cakewalk Brigade', as former Newsweek correspondent Arnaud de Borchgrave described them, bombarded Americans with rosy forecasts about the looming war.

Their scenarios assumed that the war would last a few days - 'Two days!' predicted Mr Bill O' Reilly, a conservative television pundit.

US military technology, especially its air power coupled with a psychological warfare campaign, culminating in a shock-and-awe spectacle, would bring about an early victory with very few American and Iraqi casualties.

President Saddam would be killed. Iraqi officers would surrender without a fight. And the Iraqi people would welcome the Americans as liberators.

These views helped shape the Pentagon's strategy.

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, according to military analyst Ralph Peters, downplayed the role of ground troops and argued that shock-and-awe air attacks together with efforts by small Special Operations groups would secure a swift victory in Iraq.

The Rumsfeld Strategy was applied in Afghanistan, and was quite different from the Powell Doctrine with its emphasis on projecting the overwhelming force of the American military that was employed in Gulf War I.

'Some cakewalk,' wrote Mr de Borchgrave this week, describing the reality of warfare in Iraq as coalition forces suffered losses and the strategy failed to bring about the surrender by the Iraqi leadership.

The 'embedded' journalists had been expected to transmit images of joyful Iraqis dancing and clapping in the streets. Instead, they were sending reports about the bloody siege of Basra, mounting American casualties and stiff resistance from Iraqi forces.

The Rumsfeld Strategy aimed to minimise civilian casualties and destruction of the country's infrastructure. But the coverage by Al Jazeera and other Arab media of the war seems to have galvanised the Arab 'street' against the United States.

Theories don't win wars, according to Mr Peters.

Perhaps, suggested Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, a Vietnam veteran, Mr Perle and the other hawks, many of whom did not serve in the military, should have joined the first wave into Baghdad to experience their 'cakewalk' theory.

Some 'cakewalkers', such as former White House speechwriter David Frum, insist that Mr Bush 'made no promises that the war would be easy, and when he spoke about the war in private, he always emphasised that removing Saddam from power would be a bloody business'.

But it is not surprising that the 'cakewalkers' are lying low in Washington this week after a front-page story in the Washington Post quoted top officials in the Pentagon predicting that the battle for Baghdad could prove to be long and bloody and that the entire war could continue for several months.

Retired army general Barry McCaffrey, criticising the military planners' overconfidence, has warned that the coalition troops could suffer around 3,000 casualties during the battle for Baghdad.

General William Odom, a retired US Army officer and the former director of the National Security Agency is confident that the US military will be able to adapt quickly to the realities of the battlefield in Iraq and dispatch more troops to the region.

Indeed, no one is predicting a Vietnam-like quagmire for US troops in Iraq, and most analysts expect the war on Baghdad to be a US military victory.

But so was the outcome of the 1968 Tet Offensive in Vietnam, where the United States and its South Vietnamese allies won the military battle.

They ended up, however, losing the political battle of expectations.

The images during Tet of North Vietnamese reaching the vicinity of the US Embassy in Saigon demonstrated to the Americans that there was 'no light at the end of the tunnel' and produced a backlash against the Vietnam war.

With about 40 per cent of Americans expecting fewer than 100 casualties on the eve of the war in Iraq, the images of a more-than-expected costly war there could ignite similar public opposition to the plans of 'democratising' the Middle East.

It is doubtful that the Americans would stomach 'another Iraq' in Iran.

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/storyprintfriendly/0%2C1887%2C180038%2C00.html

IrishGold
03-29-2003, 05:04 PM
be made to do that walk, seeing as how he made the talk!

FoundingFathers
03-29-2003, 06:08 PM
As much as I hate new laws...


The following...

Anypersons working for, in or advising the Pentagon, any owners of Defense Contractors, or Media Companies, and The President Of The United States.

to be qualified for these positions must have served in the US military and have seen live combat. In addition, any of their children must be enlisted in the Armed Services for at least 2 years.

helpful_monkey
03-29-2003, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by FoundingFathers
As much as I hate new laws...


The following...

Anypersons working for, in or advising the Pentagon, any owners of Defense Contractors, or Media Companies, and The President Of The United States.

to be qualified for these positions must have served in the US military and have seen live combat. In addition, any of their children must be enlisted in the Armed Services for at least 2 years.

Solid foundation for much needed legislation.

IrishGold
03-29-2003, 06:43 PM
get that law just about the time we get the one that imposes a 100% tax on all net worth gains since entering politics.

FoundingFathers
03-29-2003, 07:05 PM
Just like "No state shall ...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;"

Oh, I forgot, that already is a law.

gpond
03-29-2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by NASDAQ_400
ON THE eve of Gulf War II, Mr Richard Perle, who was then chairman of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, predicted that unseating Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein would be 'a cakewalk'.

The expectation of Mr Perle - who resigned from his post yesterday over a conflict-of-interest controversy involving a corporate deal - that the war against Iraq would be quick and mostly 'clean', leading to the swift surrender of Mr Saddam, was shared by many.

I repeat, amid a conflict-of-interest involving a corporate deal, Mr Perle resigned his position as chairman of the Defence Policy Board. This glosses over the fact that Mr. Perle will remain a member of the Defence Policy Board. Whoa! Gee! Isn't that a little harsh on Mr. Perle? He sits in a different chair and seems he might have to give up that lovely little gavel to which he had grown so attached. Isn't that a little like, say, the head of the Mafia getting busted for being in the Mafia, and then being let off because he promised that his brother would run it from now on?

What a world we live in. Our word is our bond. That portends badly.

gpond
03-29-2003, 08:24 PM
Political tactics dictate that if you don't like the news, make your own. There is too much talk that the war is going badly. In essence they desperately need to change the subject.

If I were paranoid I might keep myself up at night pondering the question: how dramatic would an event have to be to change the subject at this time? Either something very dramatic militarily in theater, or something very dramatic out of theater.

They will change the subject. And you will have seen it coming. For what little that may be worth.

Stay alert.:eek:

FoundingFathers
03-29-2003, 08:31 PM
Great points and observations!

IrishGold
03-29-2003, 11:03 PM
earlier this week I said something somewhat like,

"Somehow, someway, someone is going to allow or cause bio or chem weapons to show up on the battlefield."

At that point, we will turn Bagdad into an ashtray.
Being fully justified in doing so 'cause, "we warned those filthy heathens what would happen if they used their WMD's"

gpond
03-29-2003, 11:18 PM
I sincerely hope that you (and I) are wrong. I find no solace in doomsaying. Things do seem to be "in flux".

gpond
04-01-2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by gpond
Political tactics dictate that if you don't like the news, make your own.

Aw! Isn't that sweet! They've rescued a female POW! See, honey. We can do anything.

(Honestly, I'm very happy that someone was rescued.)

IrishGold
04-02-2003, 11:22 AM
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030402/D7Q5E6R00.html

Snip---The rescue operation included Air Force pilots, Marines, Navy SEALS, Army Rangers - "loyal to the creed they know that they never leave a fallen comrade," Brooks said.-----Snip

Sounds real good.
Hoo-Ya! And all that, but let me tell you, we left many in the bush, outside the wire. Some are probably still alive.
:(

FoundingFathers
04-11-2003, 12:14 AM
THAT Cakewalk!

gpond
04-11-2003, 12:18 AM
Man, did they change the subject, or what? I do feel that we may find ourselves in a euphoric wave of over-confidence right about now.

FoundingFathers
04-11-2003, 12:38 AM
i stand by all my statements in this thread - but just go back and read the first post - it's almost humorous.

I admit, I had fears of a long bloody war and doubts of any goal of liberation, but after the last few days, I am impressed!

Like I said before, oil, currency, or gold or whatever, may be the real reason - but for God's sake, let's not be pissed off because
things went alot better than the Liberal Elites ever imagined!

Maybe if we lost 10,000 men and were still stuck in Basra these
people would be dancing in their Ivory Tower.

gpond
04-11-2003, 08:11 AM
It has indeed been impressive, to date. I really hope that it is mostly over. The sooner it's over the less folks get killed.

Regarding euphoria, I was just refering to the giant moodswings the nation seems to go through. Like the beginning of this thread, I was gnashing teeth. I remember that weekend well, when the news wasn't good. It was the depths of dispair. Now the nation may be feeling a teensy bit optimistic.

But you are right, FF. It is comical. Reminds me of Afghanistan, too.

gpond
04-11-2003, 09:29 AM
I keep hearing a little bird chirping in the background of the daily news that says don't be surprised if there is an entanglement with Syria next.

gpond
04-11-2003, 01:34 PM
The little bird (or birds?) go by different names at different times. Names like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney. Watch Powell for a confirmation signal.

Syria is not a desert country. It is much more mountainous and therefore presumably more difficult to occupy. Also, it has not suffered a 10-year plus embargo on purchases of modern armaments unlike Iraq. (Not counting French weapons, of course).

The Syrians have most of their troops forward deployed near the Israeli border. If US opened up a new front from Iraq the Syrians would be afraid to move too many troops away from their border with Israel. They fear the Israelis could then just march on into Syria.

I'm not favoring US action against Syria. I'm just hypothesising about what certain high-placed government little birds might be chirping about among themselves.