Colloidal Silver & HN51 Bird Flue

[skyland]

Anybody run across Colloidal Silver & HN51 Bird Flue articles as a preventive medicine?

TIA

[agnut]

Anybody run across Colloidal Silver & HN51 Bird Flue articles as a preventive medicine?
TIA

Hi and welcome to the GIM forum. You present a question that my son and I had been discussing this morning.

I have been using colloidal silver since late 1998. I make my own. If you will look at the main topic sections, you will find colloidal silver at the bottom. I posted my testimonial there and what CS had done for my health. For 20 years, I had had a genital herpes virus that doctors had told me that there was no cure for but after taking CS for a short while, I have never had any recurrences. You will have to decide for yourself; I am totally convinced since CS has dramatically changed my life. I rarely get sick any more and my lifelong allergies have curiously ceased.

I also offered to provide a CS machine if someone would set up a test group of HIV positive patients but got no takers.

Anyway, I was discussing with my son what an absolute panic for physical silver would ensue if the world became aware of colloidal silver’s ability to prevent their dying from avian flu. Six billion people on the planet looking for some pure silver to save their lives. It has all the makings for a disaster movie.

I’m not saying that it has been proven that CS will save lives if this avian flu goes pandemic. However, I personally have faith in CS and will be making much more of it in anticipation if/when the need arises. I have a cold air humidifier and plan to use CS rather than just water. Also my son and I will be drinking a small amount daily as a maintenance dose. Of course, that will be when we think it is necessary. And if avian flu goes pandemic, we will take doses two times a day. I figure if I’m going to bite the big one, I would want to take some silver with me. I guess you can take it with you if you plan ahead.

Best wishes and JMHO,

Agnut

P.S. I have been reluctant to post that CS could be an answer for the avian flu. Since CS reputedly kills 650 types of viruses and bacteria upon 6 minutes of contact, I only hope that some medical researchers have focused on this potential answer.

[pinnacle]

agnut:

I have life long allergies......would be curious to know what dose you take for allergies...

I do not make my own...but I do get a bottle of drops...I think it is 550 PPM....will have to double check the bottle...I buy it at wild oats. Can I use store bought CS instead of making my own? or..would it have a comparable effect?

I will read your other post under the colloidal silver category. Any input appreciated.

[917601]

Make your own-see www.utopiasilver.org-under a header is making your own with their generator(3 9vdc batteries,.9999 silver electrodes,and ppm checker)all around 75 bucks.I like it as if electricity is out you can still make your own,plus they answer all calls about questions.Carry all the hard to find containers,misters etc.They are big now,I dealt with them 3-4 years ago.You can make your own with .9999 silver malpe leafs,low voltage dc but still need a ppm checker.Not for large scale manufacturing but a pint in about 1 hour.Do not get all buzz headed about production AC systems,high/low voltage ,etc.and do not use anything but distilled water.No saline,bases,or other "tricks".Tried once yourself and you will never buy again.

[917601]

Forgot-more-(just my 2 cents but a long time maker/user)-12ppm is what I recommend after all is said and done.Talked to a well know doctor in San Antonia area who swears by CS.Anything over 10-15 ppm trickier to properly make,(tends to develop "clumps" of large micron silver),and he even said alot of testing done about CS but results not publicized.His recommendations-10-12 ppm,if you need more take more 10 ppm twice.Recommended dosage when SICK-1 Tablespoon 3 times a day-drink lots of water.Over this dosage in his testing clinically shows no advantage.By his caution-he tells of the most common mistake-people overdue the dosage!10 PPM good-200 PPM NOT better.Your case-try a maintenance dose-10 ppm teaspoon a day and apply in nose with dropper a couple of drops a day.(co-worker,older woman did just that and it saved her from a painful sinuitis operation) ,also my brother with the bad type of hepatitis took 3 tablespoons a day for 8weeks and his blood tests
no longer showed hepatitis!Good Luck-stay in good health so you can be around to watch the show.:clap2:

[rhadvice]

917601 & Agnut thans for the post: For heavans sake don't call it a medicine or we won't be able to buy it and /or make it legally. The 'druggies' and the FDA just won't stand for it. My bet is the flu bugs of any variety would be bumped off easily with a small amount of collloidal sivler in your drinkig water( sure beates the hell out of adding poison like sodium fluoride to your water as most muni water districts do now to help the aluminum industry get rid of a noxious byproduct). My cat had allergies I started putting the c-sllver in cat water bowl. Viola. No allergies. New Mew!

[pinnacle]

Thanks for the info! Cannot find the link agnut was referring to......if anyone knows the link..please post.. Thanks.

[agnut]

agnut:
I have life long allergies......would be curious to know what dose you take for allergies...
I do not make my own...but I do get a bottle of drops...I think it is 550 PPM....will have to double check the bottle...I buy it at wild oats. Can I use store bought CS instead of making my own? or..would it have a comparable effect?
I will read your other post under the colloidal silver category. Any input appreciated.

Hi Pinnacle. What kind of allergies do you have ?

I will tell you what I have had and what has happened over the years and this may give you some insight.

I had bronchial asthma as a young person. It continued until my adult life when I had problems with being allergic to cats. My eyes would water up and my nose would stop run until I used up a box of Kleenex. Two other times I had to be rushed to the hospital for cortisone and epinephrine shots to be able to breathe clearly. My lungs closed up and I was in serious danger. The cause the first time was apparently newly mowed grass. I was sitting in a field and had a sudden attack. The second time was several years later and I am not sure but it was after my having eaten lobster. Shrimp, another shellfish, also caused a reaction in my breathing passages.

In southern California there are Oak trees that give off a sort of green misty pollen. I used to react to it strongly. I moved into a housing complex where there was one of these Oak trees just outside my front door. I was miserable until I began to take colloidal silver in late 1998. Soon after my commencing to take CS, the allergic reaction to the pollen stopped as well as my strong reaction to cats. I still have a minor reaction to cats but it is hardly worth mentioning except that I am trying to be as clear about my symptoms and their cessation as a result of colloidal silver.

I am sure some will be skeptical about the allergy healing due to colloidal silver but I know two other people I told of CS and its use greatly helped their allergy problems. After all, what do you have to lose by trying it ?

I have been making CS with a Silvergen machine since 1998. At one time, I was making CS for about 10 people. I was making a concentration of about 16-18 parts per million. I have a PPM testing instrument made by Hanna, model TDS-1. I bought it at an Ebay auction. I now use two .9999 silver maple leafs in a large glass mayonnaise jar. I cut slits in the plastic top and inserted the maple leafs into the underside. I attach the alligator clips to the outside where a small portion of the maple leafs protrude through the lid. I use only distilled water and run the CS through a coffee filter in a funnel. I have never had a problem with any residue accumulating, even after sitting for a year. I have always kept my CS in a dark glass container and in a dark location since CS is photosensitive.

I have been meaning to get my blood tested for proof that the herpes virus has left my body entirely. This is just to be able to show that CS does not merely cause regression but instead wipes it out of existence in the body. I had spoken to a doctor a few weeks ago and she said that there was now a test that could determine this. Before, I had always been told that there was no test which would prove my belief that CS had eliminated the genital herpes. This taking Valtrex or other prescription medicines is expensive and may have harmful side effects. Additionally, they do not cure genital herpes but only suppress it for a time.

It is difficult to recommend any dosage of CS for another. I have taken as much as a couple of ounces in a day. I believe that this is considered a therapeutic dose whereas a tablespoon or two a day is considered a maintenance dose. Remember that 98% of the CS leaves your body in 24 hours. With this in mind, I have spread the times to 8 to 12 hours apart, depending what my schedule was.

I recommend that you read my testimonial in the CS section. It includes healing a bad sunburn and greatly lessening the symptoms of a serious flu. In fact, read all of the posts; you will find others who have a lot to say regarding CS.\

Best wishes and JMHO,

agnut

P.S. If you have any other questions, I would be happy to answer. But I am not a doctor, only someone who is grateful for having found CS.

[pinnacle]

agnut..thanks! I searched around the CS forum.....did not see your testimonial...my search skills are not the best! if you have a link to your testimonial - it would be greatly appreciated. thanks!

[agnut]

agnut..thanks! I searched around the CS forum.....did not see your testimonial...my search skills are not the best! if you have a link to your testimonial - it would be greatly appreciated. thanks!

Hi Pinnacle. Here is my testimonial :

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=10972

It was posted in the colloidal silver section on May 2004.

Best wishes,

agnut

[AgAuGal]

Anyone know if we can move this post to the Collidal Silver Forum - of course w/ the original posters permission.

[AgAuGal]

Another ?. If you use an American Eagle or Silver Maple for home made CS don't you lose Ag from the coin? Does it damage the coin in any way? Will any silver round work?

[agnut]

Another ?. If you use an American Eagle or Silver Maple for home made CS don't you lose Ag from the coin? Does it damage the coin in any way? Will any silver round work?

Hi AgAuGal. The reason I use the silver maple leaf is that it is .9999 pure silver and not .999 pure like most bullion rounds. The cost per maple leaf is a couple of dollars more but I think the ten times less impurities in my colloidal silver manufacturing is worth it.

I will probably die of old age before I wear out (use up) my two maple leafs. So you can see that this is a very good value for the money. A couple of thin silver strips cost $10.00 and will not last anything like a couple of maple leafs.

Any silver .999 purity rounds will work but as I indicated above, a few extra dollars spent now for the maple leafs will insure better CS purity for many years to come.

I also agree that we should move this thread to the colloidal silver section.

Best wishes,

agnut

[Ponce Cuba]

Hey Agnut, thanks for the call........anyway, to those who "will" take this magic water in case of the flue epidemic I would like to tell you that back in 1908 when 25 million worldwide die were those THAT TOOK THE FLU SHOTS.....beware.

[grasshopper]

I was just about to order one of the machines that make CS from utopiasilver.org, but decided to come here and do a little more research. Now I'm more confused than ever!

One message said Mesosilver was supposed to be the best so I started searching there. Mesosilver is a true collodial silver, while the home brew versions are ionic silver. According to Mesosilver, ionic silver is supposed to be bad, because when it comes in contact with the HCl in your stomach, it's turned into silver chloride. If ionic silver somehow makes it to your blood, the ionic silver will react with the sodium chloride or potassium chloride in your blood, once again creating silver chloride. So we've got Mesosilver good, ionic silver bad - right? Not so fast...

I then found an article titled "Clearing the Confusion Spread by Mesosilver" which states that real collodial silver is basically useless and it's the ionic silver that kills bacteria on contact:

http://www.sovereignsilver.info/news_detail.php?NewsID=10

So now I've got Mesosilver is useless, ionic silver is good as a topical, but bad to ingest. That would be fine, but people here are supposedly brewing their own CS and ingesting it with good results. Maybe something in the body breaks down the silver chloride and we get our silver ions back to do their work? Maybe CS is doing its work killing bacteria in the mouth or nose before it's turned into the useless silver chloride? Does anyone know for sure yet? There sure is a lot of conflicting information out there.

[AgAuGal]

good questions gh. I am still confused by all the conflicting articles and websites I have read about various CS products. Maybe agnut, Khan, Silver Streak or some of the other regular users can comment.

[agnut]

I was just about to order one of the machines that make CS from utopiasilver.org, but decided to come here and do a little more research. Now I'm more confused than ever!
One message said Mesosilver was supposed to be the best so I started searching there. Mesosilver is a true collodial silver, while the home brew versions are ionic silver. According to Mesosilver, ionic silver is supposed to be bad, because when it comes in contact with the HCl in your stomach, it's turned into silver chloride. If ionic silver somehow makes it to your blood, the ionic silver will react with the sodium chloride or potassium chloride in your blood, once again creating silver chloride. So we've got Mesosilver good, ionic silver bad - right? Not so fast...
I then found an article titled "Clearing the Confusion Spread by Mesosilver" which states that real collodial silver is basically useless and it's the ionic silver that kills bacteria on contact:
http://www.sovereignsilver.info/news_detail.php?NewsID=10
So now I've got Mesosilver is useless, ionic silver is good as a topical, but bad to ingest. That would be fine, but people here are supposedly brewing their own CS and ingesting it with good results. Maybe something in the body breaks down the silver chloride and we get our silver ions back to do their work? Maybe CS is doing its work killing bacteria in the mouth or nose before it's turned into the useless silver chloride? Does anyone know for sure yet? There sure is a lot of conflicting information out there.

Hi Grasshopper. I don’t know about these claims about mesosilver being the only one to work and colloidal silver to be useless. If this were true, how would they explain all the healing I and many others have experienced with colloidal silver ? In a post above I gave the location of my testimonial of May 2004. I recommend that you read it and others on this thread and make up your own mind.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding. If it works, why fix it ?

If it helps clear the air, I have never taken any colloidal silver except that which was made from my Silvergen machine.

JMHO and best wishes,

agnut

P.S. There is something over in the general section about nanosilver medical research.

[grasshopper]

Hi Agnut,

Before when I referenced collodial silver, I was not talking about what you are taking. Since you're making CS yourself, your making what the Mesosilver guys call ionic silver. They claim ionic silver is bad and not true CS:

http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic.htm

The link I posted in my previous message says it's the ionic silver that kills bacteria (they didn't mention viruses), and Mesosilver killed none of the bacteria. This supports your findings. But Mesosilver also claims that ionic silver can't exist in the body for more than a few seconds as the ions quickly turn to silver chloride - which makes sense from my limited knowledge of chemistry.

I'm not doubting your results, but I want to know why ionic silver works. I've got a friend who has hep c, and I don't want to recommend something to her that could make her condition worse. Mesosilver says silver chloride "has its dangers", though they may just be talking about argyria which is comes from high concentrations.

[Ponce Cuba]

SILVER KILLS VIRUSES, STUDY FINDS Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.comIn a groundbreaking study, the Journal of Nanotechnology has published a study that found silver nanoparticles kills HIV-1 and is likely to kill virtually any other virus. The study, which was conducted by the University of Texas and Mexico University, is the first medical study to ever explore the benefits of silver nanoparticles, according to Physorg.During the study, researchers used three different methods of limiting the size of the silver nanoparticles by using capping agents. The capping agents were foamy carbon, poly (PVP), and bovine serum albumin (BSA). The particles ranged in size from 1 to 10 nanometers depending on the method of capping. After incubating the HIV-1 virus at 37 C, the silver particles killed 100% of the virus within 3 hours for all three methods. The scientists believe that the silver particles bonded through glycoprotein knobs on the virus with spacing of about 22 nanometers in length. While further research is needed, researchers are optimistic that nanological silver may be the silver bullet to kill viruses. The researchers in the study said that they had already begin experiments using silver nanoparticles to kill what is known as the super bug (Methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus). Already used as a topical antibiotic in the medical industry, silver may now come under consideration as an alternative to drugs when it comes to fighting previously untreatable viruses such as the Tamiflu resistant avian flu.

[nygoose]

Thank you for your excellent posts. Regarding the Hanna tester. Utopia states that the Hanna tester only works on their colloidal manufacturing equipment kit. However, Hanna offers a calibration solution packet. Is this what I need to order with the TDS-1?

[nygoose]

By all means, your method works great for me. Thanks for the suggestions.

[nygoose]

Dear Skyvike, I measured the ppm of the distilled water with the Hanna Tester and it tested at 3 ppm. I am using a wide-mouthed mason jar with 2 silver Maple Leaf coins. My input is 30V AC at 500 MA and the amount of distilled water is about 1.25 pints. I am using an aquarium bubbler at medium volume. Everything was clean when I began.

I have been running it for about 14 hours and it is now up to 9 ppm. The only possibilities for the slow process I can think of are as follows: 1. I used some silver polish on the coins and maybe it didn't all come off when washed 2. The rubber hose for the bubbler was in between the coins for a while and might have interfered with the stream of atoms or whatever they are and 3. I never got much of a bubble formation on the coins when running the adapter without the bubbler turned on and 4. The parallel silver coins are 2.5" apart. I am continuing with the process, but discouraged at the slowness.
The guy at Home Depot told me that I cannot test the the output of the power supply adapter with a multimeter. However, it is warm and I believe it is working properly. Thanks for listening to the problem.