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FoundingFathers
11-08-2005, 01:37 PM
this should encourage some comments...


http://www.cqs.com/silver.htm

Silver - The Dark Side of a New Health Craze
Ads for it litter the Internet and alternative health magazines. "Phyto-silver" (such as in the product previously sold by Seasilver USA until the Federal Trade Commission cracked down on them in June, 2003), colloidal silver, metallic silver, and silver salts are being promoted as the new germ-killing regimen. These writers and silver manufacturers cite hundreds or even thousands of years of "safe use" of silver for fighting germs and enhancing health. "Seasilver" was sold by a pyramid ("multi-level") marketing organization, so that the claims of efficacy were magnified by thousands of people who really wanted to believe in what they are selling to their friends and neighbors.

Silver is toxic!

But for more than 40 years we have known that silver is a hard, proven carcinogen - a cancer-causing agent. Metallic silver is listed in the 1979 Registry of Toxic Effects as causing cancer in animals. Claims that it is safe have come primarily from the companies that make silver products - hardly a trustworthy source of unbiased information. Silver in any form is a bio-accumulative toxic heavy metal, like mercury, lead, and arsenic. Its action as an antibiotic comes from the fact that it is a non-selective toxic "biocide."

It is known - and acknowledged - that long-term use of colloidal silver or silver salts deposits metallic silver under the skin, turning people's skin an ashen-gray color, an affliction known as argyria (see reference below). Argyria is considered permanent. This is precisely the circumstance that proved that silver was a cancer-causing agent - implanted into the skin of animals it caused cancerous lesions. It also accumulates in internal organs, continually exposing the cells of those organs to silver, wreaking unknown havoc, and it is likely that it actually interferes with the body's normal immune processes.

The former manufacturer of one of these products - Seasilver - actually claimed that silver is an "essential" nutrient. This was an outright falsehood. The human body has no need or use for silver. The claims made by the company were so outrageous that they received a "cease and desist" order from the Federal Trade Commission in June, 2003, and now the company, allegedly "reconstituted," sells an innocuous product made from Aloe Vera, fruit juices, Pau D'Arco Extract, and some obscure sea herbs.

Meanwhile, all of the people who have been potentially harmed by the original SeaSilver product that contained "phyto-silver" colloidal silver are left twisting in the wind, wondering whether the silver now firmly implanted throughout their bodies will harm their immune system or start the chain reaction of cancer. (See below if this applies to you.)

Silver as a historical antibiotic

Silver was used through the ages as a germ-killing agent because at those times they had no other choices. There were no antibiotics, and no natural germ-fighters had been discovered. Because people in general did not know that it was important to take large amounts of vitamin C (most people still don't), their immune systems were severely compromised for much of their lives. Thus silver was considered a life-saving medicine. Silver nitrate drops were used to prevent eye infections in newborns, for instance.

Silver was (appropriately) dropped from use in the U.S. with the introduction of antibiotics and biochemical antiseptics, but suddenly gained popularity again in the 1990s. The FDA proposed banning silver in over-the-counter products in 1997, and issued a final rule in 1999, but never acted on it.

The silver manufacturers claim that they are not subject to any federal laws about safety because silver was used before the Food and Drug Act - that they are grandfathered. Of course this begs the question: so were lead and mercury preparations and many other extremely toxic "medicines" that have since been banned from commerce.

Silver is unnecessary

To put this debate more in perspective, even if it were safe, silver is also completely unnecessary. If people were to take sufficient vitamin C and other immune support nutrients, their immune systems would be strong enough to fight off most bacterial and viral attacks. People who take large quantities of vitamin C each day rarely get ill, and when they do the course of the illness is much shorter and milder. For extremely virulent diseases, there are much more powerful, potent, and less expensive natural antibiotics and anti-viral agents that are completely safe that are derived from food and medicinal herbs.

Green tea extract, turmeric extract, oregano oil, and olive leaf extract are good examples of natural antibiotics that also have other, health-promoting features. Both green tea extract and turneric extract are also potent selective chemotherapeutic agents for cancer - they cause cancer cells to self-destruct - and they are also powerful anti-inflammatory aids. Oregano oil and olive leaf extract have been shown to effectively kill pathogenic bacteria, viruses, funguses, and protozoa such as malaria, and there is anecdotal evidence that they kill AIDS viruses.

This is one of the few times when I believe the government should act to ban a health "supplement." Silver is fine for coins and jewelry (although for earrings it should have a stainless steel hook for pierced ears). But silver compounds should not be sold in products that people consume. I believe silver is a clear and present danger to anyone who consumes it. Furthermore, having this "supplement" available provides ammunition for the drug companies and other anti-natural supplement forces for full FDA regulation of supplements, which would kill the entire natural supplement industry.

I urge anyone who has used SeaSilver purchased before June, 2003 who develops or has already developed argyria or cancer to seek the advice of a product liability or class action torte lawyer. SeaSilver USA headquarters is located in Carlsbad, CA. If you have any leftover bottles of the material and/or purchase receipts, I suggest you save them as evidence.

References:

Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 Edition, National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Cincinnati, OH.

Cutis 2000 Nov;66(5):373-4 Abstract quote

The onset of argyria following the use of dietary supplements containing colloidal silver protein is presented. The patient was using a silver-containing product for cold and allergy prophylaxis.

We review the past and present medicinal roles of silver and include a differential diagnosis for argyria. The hyperpigmentation of argyria is usually permanent, and it follows a sun-exposed distribution.

This case report highlights the potential for toxicity following the use of dietary supplements and demonstrates the importance of physician inquiry regarding alternative medicines. Finally, we examine the limited role of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in regulating alternative medicines marketed as dietary supplements.

FDA Final Ruling, 1999

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Food and Drug Administration
21 CFR Part 310
[Docket No. 96N-0144]
Over-the-Counter Drug Products Containing Colloidal Silver Ingredients or Silver Salts
AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.
ACTION: Final rule.
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SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing a final rule establishing that all over-the-counter (OTC) drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for internal or external use are not generally recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded. FDA is issuing this final rule because many OTC drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts are being marketed for numerous serious disease conditions and FDA is not aware of any substantial scientific evidence that supports the use of OTC colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for these disease conditions.
DATES: This regulation is effective September 16, 1999.

FTC Crackdown on SeaSilver USA

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/06/seasilver.htm

G-khan
11-08-2005, 01:57 PM
They wisely chose Seasilver to attack. They claim to be a food supplement 'Like a vitamin" and it is a mixture of Silver and salt. They most likely are making a product that is harmful to you! I have never heard a claim that Silver causes cancer. So Silver fillings could give me mouth cancer?

G-khan
11-08-2005, 02:04 PM
I wonder why they don't outlaw this.. Maybe because you can't make it yourself and need to purchase it from the drug companies? I don't see any deaths from CS but it seem 500 - 1000 deaths are ok with this drug?

The penicillin antibiotics are popular and useful antimicrobial drugs because they are very effective and have low toxicity.<sup>1</sup> (http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/diseasemanagement/allergy/penallergy/penallergy.htm#ref1) However, they are also one of the most common causes of drug-induced anaphylactic reactions.<sup>2</sup> (http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/diseasemanagement/allergy/penallergy/penallergy.htm#ref2) Fatal penicillin-induced anaphylaxis has been reported at a rate of 0.002% among the general population, with 500 to 1,000 deaths per year.<sup>3</sup> (http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/diseasemanagement/allergy/penallergy/penallergy.htm#ref3) This chapter will summarize the current understanding of the mechanisms of drug reactions with emphasis on IgE-mediated reactions to penicillins, the risk factor for reactions to penicillins, and the evaluation and management of these patients, including a description of skin testing.

RealityCheck
11-24-2005, 03:57 PM
I'm confused, I thought it was FDA approved?

RealityCheck
11-24-2005, 04:18 PM
OK I found this while briefly searching the net for "silver carinogen"
www.epa.gov/REDs/factsheets/<WBR>4082fact.pdf (http://www.epa.gov/REDs/factsheets/4082fact.pdf)

It says silver is listed as a class D carcinogen, which means it is not classifiable as a carcinogen in humans. If I come across anything else i'll post it but this has me very concerned because this info is coming from a alternative health website. I wonder if its not classified as a human carcignogen because there is not sufficient data or if it is because it does not cause cancer in humans?

According to this site with the MSDS, "Silver is not a known carcinogen"
www.vickers-systems.com/pdfs/power/<WBR>msds/MSDS41 wire AgCdO MET.pdf

Who knows.

RealityCheck
11-24-2005, 05:16 PM
Here is more (an EPA study):

http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm

"Classification -- D; not classified as to human carcinogenicity
Basis -- In animals, local sarcomas have been induced after implantation of foils and discs of silver. However, the interpretation of these findings has been questioned due to the phenomenon of solid-state carcinogenesis in which even insoluble solids such as plastic have been shown to result in local fibrosarcomas. "

The link to this EPA found it not to have a risk of being a carcinogen. It said the average person of 50 years would have accumulated about a half gram of silver in their body. I wonder how much daily CS intake would increase that by?

Anyway it apperas this orgional article was bogusly interpreting results of a study on rats that in no way replicates the use of CS soution in humans. The author must have known this and I think he may intentionally have done this to mislead people. What does implanting a silver coil under a rats skin have to do with argyria? (As he mentioned). If it was not intentional that the guy must not be very intelligent. Either way I don't trust him.

As long as you only use CS when you need it rather than every day its no big deal.

koyaanisqatsi
03-26-2006, 06:06 PM
My opinion and movie review, skip the original, and watch the sequel, called A Rebuttal...

Re: Silver - The Dark Side of a New Health Craze

The Emperor: Dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural.
The Emperor: Learn to know the dark side of the force and you will achieve a power greater than any Jedi.
Vader: If you only knew the power of the dark side.

Silver - The Dark Side of a New Health Craze
- Rebuttal by Marshall Dudley

The original article by Jonathan Campbell contained so many inaccuracies, false statements and misinformation that we asked Mr. Marshall Dudley, a recognized researcher in the field of colloidal silver to prepare the rebuttal which follows:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/dark-side-rebutal.htm


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/H/W/bush_starwars_emperor.jpg

With apologies to George Lucas, a ‘W’ Bush Movie Parody, Going to the DARK SIDE… click to view it now... a big budget flop...
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/v/bushepisode2.htm


Luke: “Obi-Wan, Why does the Dark Side hate silver so, to write such a misleading article?”

Obi-Wan: “Control, Dependency, Fear and Ignorance are part of the DARK SIDE. -- Big Pharmo, Silver Users Association, the Monetary Statists, et al. Ah, but SILVER -- it is a part of the FORCE. Keep it with you always.”

koyaanisqatsi
03-27-2006, 04:41 PM
Thanks for the welcome, Skyvike. You asked me how I am doing...

Yes, I received your letter yesterday
About the time the door knob broke
When you asked how I was doing
Was that some kind of joke?...
...Right now I can't read too good
Don't send me no more letters no
Not unless you mail them
From Desolation Row
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/desolation.html

I sure missed sharing thoughts and information with you and most of the folks at GIM. Even though I was not posting, I was keeping up with the site almost daily.

I had observed what I thought to be a 'sign' that it was time to leave GIM for at least a while. But my passions for sharing TRUTH as I see it dragged me back here with you 'good and bold like gold' guys. So how am I? Hmmm...

My 83 year-old Father is deteriorating gradually with a progressive illness, so I got him a set of original WW2 silver gunner's wings to replace his old ones, and let him know he is still my #1 hero. Tanished deep black though the many years -- I told him only he could put a new shine on them. He can do that fine with his alzheimers. We got out the silver polish and watered it down a bit... to hell with collectible value!
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Silver wings on my old Dad's chest! Salutes to Dads out there -- like YOU too Skyvike, deservedly his son's REAL hero! Mine just lived in a special time...

I work in a still-remaining US textile mill these days. Our facility will move to Honduras by mid-Summer and my job will be one more of millions of manufacturing jobs flowing out if the USA. Already half of my co-workers do not speak fluent English. I feel like the last of the Mohicans some days. A son of 'mountain men' lineage and an American relic at age 51. Make that a P-51 because I continue to fly fast and true through all weather... taking on all comers... at least in my mind... flying high cover for America...
http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~nagle/contrails.jpeg
http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~nagle/fortress.jpg

Alas I am more aware than ever how most Americans are like a herd of sheep, going along with their 'shepherds' blindly, governed by FEAR and lulled by false security.
http://www.queer-arts.org/archive/9902/wojnarowicz/small/52.jpg
Even more most Americans seem like like buffalo, about to follow the purblind herd leaders off a cliff. But people are waking up that the 2-party system is a one party system in disguise... and that party is for globalism, not remnant Americans... go Charlie Sheen, an old Wolverine, and Alex Jones, the truth movement, and the good folks at GIM!

My eyes collide head-on with stuffed graveyards
False gods, I scuff
At pettiness which plays so rough
Walk upside-down inside handcuffs
Kick my legs to crash it off
Say okay, I have had enough
What else can you show me?...
And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They'd probably put my head in a guillotine
But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only.
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/itsalright.html

May the FORCE BE WITH US, Skyvike! --- Or is that Sky-Walker?
http://www.maarasuniverse.com/lukeanh/lukexwing9.jpg
I'd love to fly with you anytime, buddy. Guys like you continue give me hope. Reality is born upon our dreams... My dreams are silver and gold with sky blue through dark clouds shining true... or is it a Red Dawn? Thanks!
Go GIM. Light up the dark and DIM! :coolbeer:

Libertarian_Guard
03-27-2006, 05:07 PM
You are the BEST! Welcome back Koy!

please don't respond to this ....... but please keep posting your mind, or whatever happens to pass through it!