Levees Blown Say Eyewitnesses

[bigjon]

<dl><dt><center>Levees Blown
Say Eyewitnesses -
Media Ignores Them

Eye Witnesses Living Near 17th St. Levee
Say Loud Explosion Heard Just Prior
To Raging Waters Flooding The 9th Ward</center> </dt><dt><center> </center> </dt><dt><center>By Greg Szymanski
1-9-6</center> </dt><dt><center> </center> </dt><dt><center><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="57" width="551"> <tbody><tr> <td height="56" valign="top" width="100%"> <dl><dt>Eye witnesses are starting to come forward, some only a block away from the 17th St Canal levee break, saying they heard a loud, powerful explosion right before water starting gushing in, as they ended up in a matter of minutes floating downstream on their rooftops. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Terry Adams, who lives one block away from the 17th St. break, remembers hearing what sounded "like a bomb going off" from where the levee gave-way before rushing water forced him to his rooftop. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"Everything was calm, it was late at night and the storm had passed. I thought we had dodged a bullet and there was no water in my house and I was only a block away from the 17 th St. break," said Adams, a lower 9th Ward resident, in an extended conversation this week from New Orleans. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"Then I heard what sounded like a bomb go off from the direction of where the levee gave-way and within a matter of minutes I was forced up on my roof where I floated for about a mile into town before somehow getting to safety." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Asked if he was sure he heard an explosion, he added: "Water breaking a levee isn't going to make the noise I heard and besides, the levee should have broke before or during the storm, not afterward. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"I heard an explosion and so did a lot of other people. It came right from where the levee broke. What else could it have been but somebody blowing up the levee?" </dt><dt> </dt><dt>The question of how the levee burst in one gigantic place at the 17th St. and London Ave. drainage canals, estimated by some to be a gaping hole three football fields long, as well as a number of other locations, has been on the minds of other local residents from the lower 9 th Ward besides Adams, many hearing the same explosions but being ignored by the mainstream media, putting their accounts in the realm of conspiracy theorists. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>For example, whenever the subject of the levees being intentionally detonated comes up, most mainstream commentators like ABC's Michel Martin, dismiss even the slightest possibility of foul play, appeasing Black listeners with comments such as this: </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"Anybody with any knowledge of history can understand why a lot of people can feel this way, but any real possibility that the levies were intentionally exploded must be dismissed." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>However, according to Ryan Washington, a long time New Orleans bus driver and former resident of the lower 9th Ward who grew up playing football on top the levee, said the possibility of government dirty work and foul play isn't so far fetched. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Now living in nearby Slidell, also hard hit by the hurricane, he has talked to numerous eye witnesses who say the exact same thing as Adams, insisting the levee was blown up and didn't give-way by natural means. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Washington also said the media should not concentrate on testimony from experts, new commentators and government officials, who have biased opinions, buy emphasis should be placed on interviewed the hundreds if not thousands of people who heard or saw something the night the levees blew. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"Why don't they talk to the people who were there? Why are they relying on government experts who have a reason to hide the truth? I personally am gathering a list of people, a long list, who saw and heard what really happened that night," said Washington, in a telephone conversation this week from New Orleans. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>He added that government officials have been wanted to get hold of the valuable lower 9th Ward property ever since 1965 when Hurricane Betsy flooded the area and the same suspicions of foul play circulated through his neighborhood. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"I even have talked to many reporters on the scene and tell them to get the story from the horse's mouth and talk to the people," said Washington, adding it's easier to hear and learn the real truth on a city bus than behind the veil of city hall and the corrupted television cameras. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"The stories about people hearing and seeing explosions, as well as stories about bomb residue being found at the scene, never see the light of day or get in the papers or on television. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"And if they do, these stories are always dismissed as being crazy or discredited by experts or government officials, who I personally don't believe one bit." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>According to Washington, several important factors convince him beyond a reasonable doubt that the levees were blown intentionally to racially cleanse the city, as well as the first step in a redevelopment plan to put up high rise casinos and hotels in the lower 9 th Ward. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"First, they always say that explosion was a power generator. But the power was off when the levees blew and the power station they were talking about was not in the vicinity of where the explosions were heard," said Washington. "Next, they say the barge in the canal broke the levees. I never once saw a barge in the canal in all the years I lived there. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"Also, if it did plow through the levee, it never would have made such a noise or cause an immediate break three football fields long. Further, why were immediately on the scene to fence of the levees so no one could see what happened when it too them more than 10 days in some cases to rescue people. What are they hiding? </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"Please someone from the media come down here and get the real story as I have talked to so many people who feel the same way I do. The government has been trying to get our land since 1965 and they are still trying today." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Besides numerous residents suspecting foul play, New York filmmaker Spike Lee in October Lee said on Friday night's Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO, that he believes Louis Farakhan's allegation that a levee was blown up to flood the nearly all-Black 9th Ward. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Lee added that "a choice had to be made, one neighborhood got to save another neighborhood and flood another 'hood, flood another neighborhood." He then engaged in a heated battle of words with neo con shill and MSNBC reporter, bow tied Tucker Carlson, who dismissed Lee as conspiracy theorist spreading paranoia and fear. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>At this point the short exchange between the two shows Carlson's true colors as a government propagandist and as far from being a journalist as George W. Bush himself: </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Lee: "Presidents have been assassinated. So why is that so far-fetched? Do you think that election in 2000 was fair? You don't think that was rigged If they can rig an election, they can do anything!" </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Carlson: "I was in New Orleans right after the hurricane in the ninth ward. And while I didn't hear anybody say the levee was blown up by the federal government, I did interview a bunch of people who were stuck there who said they believed this was part of the conspiracy to rid New Orleans of black people. They honestly believed that. I didn't argue with them, I just listened to what they said and I felt bad for them. So as you sit here -- who is someone who is rich and has option -- and are watched by people who are poor and have no options, it seems to me it's your responsibility, your obligation to tell them the truth and you know the truth, which is the federal government did not blow up the levees so don't feed the paranoia and the crazies." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Lee: "First of all, how's that feeding the paranoia?" </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Carlson: "Because you're saying it's entirely possible when you know perfectly well it's not possible." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Lee: "How's it not possible?" </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Although numerous questions remain unanswered about the reason behind the levee controversy, one question never posed was how could a man like Carlson ever call himself a fair-minded journalist after comments made on Real Time? </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"I know why," said Washington. "These journalists are as corrupt as the government folks they write about. I'm only a bus driver but I know the difference between right and wrong and the media is dead wrong by not covering this story fairly. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>One of the biggest controversies still brewing is the preliminary results of the three main investigatory groups looking at why the levees erupted. The groups, all tied to government interests, include the National Science Foundation in conjunction with the American Society of Civil Engineers; the United States Army Corps of Engineers; and the third group being funded by the State of Louisiana, led by scientists at the Louisiana State University hurricane center. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Although each investigation is independent of the other, scientists claim to be sharing data, coming to some surprising preliminary conclusions, one of which could have enormous consequences. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>In a recent article by John M. Barry analyzing the data from the three groups, he looks at some of the suspicious preliminary questions, raising even more questions of how could the 17th St. levee break with such a small storm surge emanating from Lake Pontchartrain not the Gulf of Mexico. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"We know that Hurricane Katrina made landfall with enormous power, devastating the Gulf Coast, and that the levee on the Industrial Canal in New Orleans was overtopped by a storm surge coming directly from the Gulf of Mexico. When a levee is overtopped, there is basically nothing that can be done. Water pouring over a levee long enough will, in effect, wash part of the levee away. That's what happened on the Industrial Canal, resulting in the flooding of part of the Ninth Ward, along with much of St. Bernard and Plaquemines Parishes. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"But most of New Orleans was not flooded by water coming directly from the Gulf. It was flooded from the north and rear by Lake Pontchartrain , when levees failed along the 17th Street and London Avenue drainage canals. Initially, the Corps of Engineers said that the storm was so great that it overtopped these levees also. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>"But after inspecting the levees and reviewing storm data, all three investigating teams agree: Hurricane Katrina hit Lake Pontchartrain with far less strength than it did the Gulf Coast, and the storm surge fell well short of the tops of the levees. In fact, a design or construction flaw caused them to collapse in the face of a force they were designed to hold. In other words, if the levies had performed as they were supposed to, the deaths in New Orleans proper, the scenes in the Superdome and the city's devastation would never have taken place." </dt><dt> </dt><dt>For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com. </dt><dt> </dt><dt>Greg Szymanski </dt></dl> </td></tr> </tbody></table> </center> </dt><dt><center> </center> </dt><dt><center>
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[AMforPM]

A choice between the french quarter or garden district going under and the slums as the rain rolled down the river was made, it looks like to me. It was done before in a big flood to save the quarter and the garden district.

How much will it take for us to get honest government? Katrina and 9-11 were horror shows right in public.

[PatColo]

Szymanski's radio show is usually interesting. You can listen to today's show which corresponds with the above article at:

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Greg06.html

[silverJeep]

The government's REACTION to Katrina was horrible (mostly at the state level). The above article is crap. There were no explosions. Seems some want to blame TPTB on everything.

I can't believe we haven't had a post on here yet that says something goofy like "someone saw a man in black carrying C4 explsoves and remote detonators enter the mine just 2 hours prior to the explosion that killed 12 miners". This in an effort to shut coal production down and start a nationwide "safety recall" of mining procedures. In effort to starve the northeast of coal this winter and kill off millions of innocnet civilians.

Ohhhh that's pretty good, maybe I could go into the conspiracy business??

[Farmgal]

The government's REACTION to Katrina was horrible (mostly at the state level). The above article is crap. There were no explosions. Seems some want to blame TPTB on everything.

I can't believe we haven't had a post on here yet that says something goofy like "someone saw a man in black carrying C4 explsoves and remote detonators enter the mine just 2 hours prior to the explosion that killed 12 miners". This in an effort to shut coal production down and start a nationwide "safety recall" of mining procedures. In effort to starve the northeast of coal this winter and kill off millions of innocnet civilians.

Ohhhh that's pretty good, maybe I could go into the conspiracy business??

How do you know there were no explosions? Were you actually at the canal at the time of the break, so you know for sure that is true?

[silverharp]

Silverjeep - if you want to take it one step further, according to some people on this site it was God that destroyed the city because of its "decadence" using this logic the Mine disaster must have been for similar reasons, so the miners don't deserve our sympathy as they obviously deserved it!

[Large Sarge]

The government's REACTION to Katrina was horrible (mostly at the state level). The above article is crap. There were no explosions. Seems some want to blame TPTB on everything.

I can't believe we haven't had a post on here yet that says something goofy like "someone saw a man in black carrying C4 explsoves and remote detonators enter the mine just 2 hours prior to the explosion that killed 12 miners". This in an effort to shut coal production down and start a nationwide "safety recall" of mining procedures. In effort to starve the northeast of coal this winter and kill off millions of innocnet civilians.

Ohhhh that's pretty good, maybe I could go into the conspiracy business??

Silverharp,

You still believe the official story on 9/11?

for those who discredit the explosives story, just think what was involved in planning and executing 9/11 (explosives, terrorist training, etc)
they had no qualms in killing 3,000+ of our own citizens...

so new orleans is no problem either

[PatColo]

The government's REACTION to Katrina was horrible (mostly at the state level). The above article is crap. There were no explosions. Seems some want to blame TPTB on everything.

I can't believe we haven't had a post on here yet that says something goofy like "someone saw a man in black carrying C4 explsoves and remote detonators enter the mine just 2 hours prior to the explosion that killed 12 miners". This in an effort to shut coal production down and start a nationwide "safety recall" of mining procedures. In effort to starve the northeast of coal this winter and kill off millions of innocnet civilians.

Ohhhh that's pretty good, maybe I could go into the conspiracy business??

THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION
IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA (http://freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=FEMA_Katrina&refpage=issues)
Analysis by G. Edward Griffin, updated 2005 September 30

So, sure, the gummit's "response" to Katrina was almost agressively bad. But this wild eyed CT about them blowing the levees is, well, it reminds me of those insane loons who thinks the gummit orchestrated 911!

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/red_helicopter2.jpg

[bigjon]

The government's REACTION to Katrina was horrible (mostly at the state level). The above article is crap. There were no explosions. Seems some want to blame TPTB on everything.

I can't believe we haven't had a post on here yet that says something goofy like "someone saw a man in black carrying C4 explsoves and remote detonators enter the mine just 2 hours prior to the explosion that killed 12 miners". This in an effort to shut coal production down and start a nationwide "safety recall" of mining procedures. In effort to starve the northeast of coal this winter and kill off millions of innocnet civilians.

Ohhhh that's pretty good, maybe I could go into the conspiracy business??

the only crap here that I see is your ability to see and hear something miles away from where you were. I know the boob tube didn't say anything about it so it couldn't have happened.

Somebody here posted a link to a bunch of post Katrina pictures where this guy has a picture log that shows the storm damage caused by Katrina. I could see the massive damage that the storm caused, but there was NO flooding. One of his pictures show's a hole in the building across the street from where he was staying in the French Quarter. The view is through the front windows and up through the hole and it shows a cloudless night scene, which he proclaims is the night just prior to all the flooding.

So the storm has passed and someone blows the dike, but of course it could be just a photoshop job, from some guy who just happened to be there, who wants to stir up trouble, who has a drug habit, who is a totally unreliable source, bla, bla bla.

[silverJeep]

I live about 20 minutes north of New Orleans. It was a Cat 3 Hurricane when it hit.
The view is through the front windows and up through the hole and it shows a cloudless night scene, which he proclaims is the night just prior to all the flooding.

It was cloudy for a couple of DAYS after the Hurricane, so that supposed picture is CRAP.

How do you know there were no explosions? Were you actually at the canal at the time of the break, so you know for sure that is true?

No, I wasn't there. But my brother (mot a guy I know, or a friend of a friend, MY BROTHER) works for the US Army Corps of Engineers and was on the detail of repairing the levees. They filled the holes, they extracted the former peices. LARGE peices. They were NOT blown up! They were broken and could be consistant with story of a loose barge that hit the levee and caused the break. That I could believe. (which incidentally, would've sounded like an explosion)They also could've broken under the stress of the water.

If they were going to "blow them up" doesn't ANYONE think that they would've done that when the storm was actually hitting N.O.?????

Besides wind doesn't break levees, WATER breaks levees. Usually when the water was more than what the levee was designed to withstand. And it's comon knowledge that they were NOT desigend to hold that much water.

I'm not one of those that thinks all teh people that stayed in N.O. are criminals. BUT, Lets do a quick IQ test here:
1. There is a Cat 5 Hurricane making a beeline to N.O. (no one knew it was a Cat 3 when i t made landfall until it was all over.
2. N.O. is below sea level surrounded by levees.
3. None of the levees are designed to withstand the storm surge of a Cat 5, (that was common knowledge around here).
4. Every Hurricane season they talk about a direct it would completely flood N.O. and is the "Nightmare scenario"

So what do you do? Get out? Or stay? Hmmmmmmmmm, that's a tough one. Or is it?

This ain't 9/11 folks, don't try to make it one because a few people with the IQ of a houseplant have tall stories. If you still think so, there's a trailer park around here that I think Elvis still lives in, or it may be Bigfoot (not sure).<!-- / message -->

[silverJeep]

It's funny, they make several refences to the "Eye Witnesses" and yet no one SAW anything! Isn't that what an eyewitness is? They heard a boom? That makes them an eyewithess? I guess EARwitness doens't sell as many newspapers (you mean they're trying to sell newspapers?)

Well, if you believe the "Eyewitness" story, here's one for you:

Sharks are swimming through the streets of New Orleans: Mayor Aaron Broussard of Jefferson Parish (a New Orleans suburb), who, according to the August 30 issue of the Palm Beach Post, "told residents Tuesday that at least one 3-foot shark had been spotted."

Do we really need to go into that one too?

[honu5050]

wait long enough and see who buys up the area and whats built and you'll have an answer. :smokin:

[Ponce Cuba]

Twenty years ago it would have been hard for me to believe that the US government had blown up the place but now? who knows.

The so called "help" came in to late and on top of that they would not allowed anyone else to help and then they made the people leave the area and never to return and on top of that they intimidated the people not to return and now they refuse to give out the trailers homes under different excuses and on and on and on.

And of course now they need the land for the gambling halls what with the casinos, parking area, homes for employees and so on :love:

[honu5050]

bizznuss as useawall. :smokin:

[silverJeep]

I know several people that now live in my area, that have gone back to get some stuff (when allowed back in). It's sad!! The entire city has a stench (not the usual one it had), All the homes effected are completely reuined, molded, every plant, tree that they had is dead from the toxic crap that was floating around. Will all have to be Bulldozed. Then do what with it, I have no idea.

I still hear people say "We're gonna rebuild it just like it was!! We're gonna go back rebuild our homes!!" You couldn't PAY me to live there. I can't imagine the longterm health effects that area will produce. Yuck!

Yes, more black people were effected when it comes to those that didn't evacuate. But FAR more white people were effected when it comes to losing their homes, business, everthing they owend.

This was not an attack on a class or race of people (unless is was an attack on Louisianans).

[Large Sarge]

This was not an attack on a class or race of people (unless is was an attack on Louisianans).

some speculate that it was the "Global Elite" attacking the number 5 port in the world, in the hopes of taking it over...

as far as What FEMA and the goons from the govt did, others speculate that Aid was deliberately withheld from the city in the hopes of wide spread rioting...
which would alleviate the Federal Govt of asking permission to send in troops... (I believe it is "Habeus Corpus" although I could be wrong on the name)

[honu5050]

Follow the money...Follow the money. o' yep you are so right on follow the money! the Elite money changers have vested Intersts in every city on earth. thats litterly speaking of course. its how they control the future.with the advent of the computer/internet they have so to sp'eek a hand on the worlds pluse.any ripple in the water is felt in short order and in real time.thats why they can be so dam cocky.unless of course others within that group get to fuedin.blow their covers and let the military do what they were intended to do. kill the enemey of the u.s.a. constitution. :fight:

[honu5050]

I know several people that now live in my area, that have gone back to get some stuff (when allowed back in). It's sad!! The entire city has a stench (not the usual one it had), All the homes effected are completely reuined, molded, every plant, tree that they had is dead from the toxic crap that was floating around. Will all have to be Bulldozed. Then do what with it, I have no idea.

I still hear people say "We're gonna rebuild it just like it was!! We're gonna go back rebuild our homes!!" You couldn't PAY me to live there. I can't imagine the longterm health effects that area will produce. Yuck!

Yes, more black people were effected when it comes to those that didn't evacuate. But FAR more white people were effected when it comes to losing their homes, business, everthing they owend.

This was not an attack on a class or race of people (unless is was an attack on Louisianans).i'd say they will elavate the land via land fill.what type dont know yet. that will "cover" the problem.

[silverJeep]

i'd say they will elavate the land via land fill.what type dont know yet. that will "cover" the problem.

Yeah, kinda my thoughts too. If they leveled EVERYTHING down there it might bring it up a couple of feet. Question is: Where to get the dirt to cover it with?? If you dig a 3ft deep hole around here it fills with water. Guess they could seal it off with concrete?????

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[Libertarian_Guard]

Here we go again.

SilverJeep’s understanding of the flooding in New Orleans is not leading him down any wildly imaginative paths based on something from Art Bells show or the Twilight Zone. And as usual, look at all our members here that NEVER pass up any conspiracy scheme to explain the root cause for each and every misfortune that befalls the human race.

Bigjon is perhaps the best example we’ve ever had of someone that buys into every single conspiracy that’s ever been proposed. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the government responsible for steering the hurricane towards N.O. in the first place, and if so, wouldn’t they have had the means to have stalled the storm out over N.O. and not had to resort to plan “B” with blowing up the levee?

I’m all for speculating about what our government may or may not have been involved in. We know how they throw money into seemingly everything. But that doesn’t mean that they actually control everything. No one here is in possession of any information that unequivocally proves of any levees having being blown-up. The problem here is how people are confusing and passing off, idle speculation, as fact.

[bigjon]

Guilty as charged, you bet I believe that there are a lot of conspiracies. We have been able to watch them as they have unfolded Waco, Oklahoma City, 911 and they all point down the road to tyranny, each little incident that adds up to less freedom and more gov control, but LG says don’t look at the picture that is being painted right in front of your eye’s, focus instead of what our media tells us about conspiracy theorists, you know they wear tin foil hats, don’t you. LG is one of our main poo poo’er of any conspiracy theory. He always say’s the media’s/gov story is the right one.<o:p></o:p>
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LG has told us how it would be impossible for remote controlled airplanes to have been used in 911 and has made the claim to be some sort of aviation expert. LG you still haven’t answered my question as to how many black boxes a 757 carries, in fact you said you had never heard of the term black boxes.<o:p></o:p>

[silverJeep]

My only point is, there's a lot of us on the board. We're spread out all over the country (even other countries). When we see a new conspiracy, how bout we post the article and then ask if anyone on the board (in that area perhaps) knows more on the subject. That way WE can separate fact from fiction.

We're kinda all here cuz we "dug deeper than the mainstream" so let's continue to investigate, instead of being "fed" what's given us.

SilverJeep

[Libertarian_Guard]

Bigjon

You’re really hung-up on the generic phrase “black box” and it shows how you’re overemphasis on one common term helps you to draw a quick and often wrong conclusion.

I’ll repeat what I’ve already said before. The term “black box” is for people outside of the aviation industry. Every control unit, recorder, signal generator, processor etc, etc has its own name. Whenever I hear someone say “black box” I instantly know that they have a very limited knowledge of aviation and in all likelihood are a complete outsider.

Generally speaking more modern aircraft have more avionics systems. The 757 & 767 have over 50 or perhaps closer to 100 different systems that are independently monitored. The number is not important and its silly to ask as you’re asking nothing more then a “gee wiz” type question and you’re unable to see just how irrelevant a question it is. But that won’t stop you from drawing your own conclusion - - based on nothing.

And I don’t buy into every government explanation. On many of the subjects discussed here it is plain to see how the “official line” is more grounded in a need for the government to cover its own a$$ and spin its own actions or inactions in a positive light. It doesn’t imply that the government planed every mishap from the start. It's basic human nature that whoever runs the “clean-up” operation ( or investigation ) will naturally make themselves and their friends come out looking good.

[bigjon]

Bigjon

You’re really hung-up on the generic phrase “black box” and it shows how you’re overemphasis on one common term helps you to draw a quick and often wrong conclusion.

I’ll repeat what I’ve already said before. The term “black box” is for people outside of the aviation industry. Every control unit, recorder, signal generator, processor etc, etc has its own name. Whenever I hear someone say “black box” I instantly know that they have a very limited knowledge of aviation and in all likelihood are a complete outsider.

How wrong can you be, dead wrong in this instance, the term black box is a generic term that is only used by those of us who have indeed exchanged one broke box with a repaired black box. Your lack of knowledge about the jargon that avionics technicians and engineers use to talk about the systems used in a modern airliner exposes you as a fraud.



Generally speaking more modern aircraft have more avionics systems. The 757 & 767 have over 50 or perhaps closer to 100 different systems that are independently monitored. The number is not important and its silly to ask as you’re asking nothing more then a “gee wiz” type question and you’re unable to see just how irrelevant a question it is. But that won’t stop you from drawing your own conclusion - - based on nothing.
Another BS answer, who's talking about monitering systems? The question concerns how many boxes are the avionics of an airplane housed in. You haven't got a clue bacause you have never fixed an airplane.



And I don’t buy into every government explanation. On many of the subjects discussed here it is plain to see how the “official line” is more grounded in a need for the government to cover its own a$$ and spin its own actions or inactions in a positive light. It doesn’t imply that the government planed every mishap from the start. It's basic human nature that whoever runs the “clean-up” operation ( or investigation ) will naturally make themselves and their friends come out looking good.

[Libertarian_Guard]

This is funny that you’re accusing me of being a fraud.

It continues to prove how you draw you conclusions based on little more than a whim.

In modern aircraft the pilots fly in what is called a black or dark cockpit. They don’t constantly check dozens of different pressures, temperatures and proximities in distance ( just to name a few ) of all the many different systems that monitor the security and protection of the aircraft while it is in flight. Most of this information is hidden from the flight crew unless one of the systems detects a problem, that’s when it’s flashed on a screen in front of the crew. Often the color tells of its importance, with flashing red being the most urgent, yellow and blue being less urgent. TACAS collision avoidance warnings are given through the TACAS computer or processor - - no one calls this “a black box” except you. The minimum separation has recently been reduced in half, from 2000 ft to 1000 ft.

Simply put, that’s exactly what the various avionics systems do, that’s their function - - to monitor the aircraft.

[bigjon]

Me and all the techs who fix airplane avionics, but not you and your fellow flight attendents.

[Dixie]

If you buy into every single conspiracy scheme that comes along I dont understand why a person would they think they are any better then the regular sheeple.

A person who would do this would IMHO be much worse because they could be swayed but the most ridiculous set of beliefs.

Just to let all the un-tech-savvy people here. Just because you found it on the web does not mean it is the truth. If you want me to prove it I will post a news article on any subject you want in 5 minutes from my server and have it reside on one of my unused domains.

[Dixie]

In fact in I am going to do that...I will see how many people end up beleiving for fact what I put up. Give me a little bit and I will post back a link.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Me and all the techs who fix airplane avionics, but not you and your fellow flight attendents.


Anyone involved in aviation for more than a few months would not have used the word “airplane” in this sentence.

Sorry but you’ve again given yourself away as an outsider by saying “airplane avionics” …….. and anyone in this industry would be able to pick up on this in a split second.

Just as police and firefighters have there own jargon and can pick-up on a phony in a heart beat, so to with the aircraft industry.

Are you the one wearing a skirt here and trying to project yourself onto me?

[bigjon]

Anyone involved in aviation for more than a few months would not have used the word “airplane” in this sentence.

Sorry but you’ve again given yourself away as an outsider by saying “airplane avionics” …….. and anyone in this industry would be able to pick up on this in a split second.

Just as police and firefighters have there own jargon and can pick-up on a phony in a heart beat, so to with the aircraft industry.

Are you the one wearing a skirt here and trying to project yourself onto me?
There is a difference between airplane avionics and ground based avionics systems, but then you wouldn't know that would you?

I bet you look good in a skirt.