Nanobacteria, Calcification - the Calcium Bomb - it works on me

[Au_Ag]

http://www.calcify.com/

The book the Calcium Bomb can be had at Amazon for aobut $20.

The premise is - Finnish research scientist by accident comes across what he believes to be the smallest life form in the human body.

Names them Nanobacteria - Poor choice for a name -

Determines they coat themselves with calcium phospate - in an igloo like construction - Medical community realizes calcification present in many problems - but doesn't treat calcification itself as a condition.

The nanobacteria "unroof" with EDTA chelation. You take tetracycline to kill the unroofed bacteria.

Removes calcification deposits.

The book notes that for well over a decade the medical community continued performing expensive surgery for bleeding ulcers long after researchers showed that antibiotics would kill the bacteria that caused them.

Anybody that has heart disease (clogged variety) calcification problems, etc. should read this book and make their own decision.

I did this because my brain functions started deteriorating approximately 10 years ago. Been a real tough journey. Read in the book about "brain sands" and the fact that calcification is present in the synapses of Alzheimers patients - I figured if there was one in a thousand chance of improvement, It was worth it - I am so improved I have cut out most of the meds and my brain function has returned.

My wife - who worked in medical field and is a great skeptic - saw the difference in me and is now taking the regime.

I have absolutely no financial interest in any of this and am making this post to contribute to the on-line community.

I also believe that in future decades this will probably be done prophelacticaly (sp?) - however, heart diseased patients and elderly need it now.

My 80 year old parents are starting - In my believe that it will prolong and improve quality life.

The major beneficiary of treatment is to clean out calcification present in the blood stream.

The is clearly unconvential/alternative medicine that most doctors will say doesn't work.

I will say that I was not helped very much by the medical community with my problem and that it was a long difficult road just to get back to a marginal level of function.

This has worked remarkably for me.

Plenty of info in the link - google nanobacteria

Regards

Ken

[Curtman]

I was listening to this on Norrey the other night. What did you use to remove the calcites in the body? I would like to have my level measured to see what level it is, I drink green tea and white tea all day and night long and it is a great detoxifier and anti oxidant.

[Au_Ag]

I was listening to this on Norrey the other night. What did you use to remove the calcites in the body?

EDTA chelation is used.

Can find it intravenously at altenative physicians for about $100 a pop.

I'm doing the nanobac suppositories - healthy heart with supplements

http://www.vivagen.net/Chel_supp_info.htm

Cheaper if you do the three months worth -

It seemed to be more trouble to be tested than it was worth, IMHO.

Cost of the test and costs of the Doctors visits, etc. would be roughly half a months regime - and would still not know if any benefit even if you tested negative - would have to have your calcifiction scores calculated from scanning before and after -to have any indication - the calcification scoring system somewhat imperfect anyhow. all in all, a bit of effort and cost to really know anything by pre-testing

So I decided easier and quicker just to give it a try -

I could tell I was clicking better in a week - two weeks I had a clearcut noticeable difference - my wife skeptical until she started realizing how much better I was.

It will not surprise me in the future if people in their mid thirties start doing this as routine preventative.

IMHO, anybody fifty or over should give it a shot to unclog their arteries -

PS, I will be 60 this year, my cholestral has always been low, blood work beautiful, no history of heart disease, no symptoms, run five miles every other day - no problems except brain function deteriorating more than normal. No history of heart disease or cancer back thru grandparents both sides of my family.

Yet - major benefit to me.

One clear cut difference that is quite indicate of improved blood flow in a man - my erections are quicker - harder - noticeably more like 10 - 15 years ago _grin_

Didn't put that in the original post didn't want to get some of you guys on the wrong track _bigger grin_

I almost did the IV stuff at the doctors office. The suppositories should be somewhat cheaper - the physician's clinic requires a $300 initial visit - and $105 a pop, IIRC - so more outlay to give it a shot.

Also, looked iinto buying my own supplements instead of buying theirs - Cheaper, or at least no worse just to use the recommended ones. You really want to use the supplements - protect your system when you are "unroofing" and the calcium going freely through your system

Regards

Ken

[Halophyte]

EDTA added to lead acid batteries will desulphate the cells and return the battery to use.

Most batteries die because of suphor deposits.

I bought 1/2 kilo for about $35 - white powder form.



Wonder if it can be ingested ?
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[Curtman]

EDTA added to lead acid batteries will desulphate the cells and return the battery to use.

Most batteries die because of suphor deposits.

I bought 1/2 kilo for about $35 - white powder form.



Wonder if it can be ingested ?
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My question is if it is an oxide why wouldn't a regular diet of antioxidants prevent the buildup. I am thinking it does not since I eat and drink mass antioxidants and still have some calcium deposits in my knuckles that form. Many year of working in the woods in cold weather perhaps.

[Au_Ag]

EDTA added to lead acid batteries will desulphate the cells and return the battery to use.....
Wonder if it can be ingested ?
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Interesting about the batteries, I never knew that.

yes, EDTA can be safely ingested and is readily available at many places on the net and some health food stores in oral supplement form

However, _most_ of it passes through and doesn't enter the bloodstream.

6 capsules - sublingual is supposed to be about 7% of an IV treatment -

I could find no meaningful numbers for the effectiveness of suppository form - there are people selling them on the net that claim high effectiveness but I believe that information to be suspect.

Also, I had a lot of diarrhea and queasiness with the oral supplements -

Also, doing the numbers and guessing at a 1/3 effectiveness into the bloodstream of th suppositories - it is the cheapest form - but clearly overpriced until more competition enters the market place - Might not be that hard to actually make up your own suppositories.

In the end - I went with what I could readily purchase, least hassle, apparently the quickest way to determine if I could benefit - while at the same time not putting in the money for IV - suppositories - although high, appear to be more cost effective than oral supplements in my guesstimate calculations

BTW - mentioned it to the lady that is branch manager of my local bank - she said her uncle extended his life with chelation -

Chelation is not new and there are any number of believers in chelation - the major criticism of chelation is that it works but comes back - The tetracycline keeps it from coming back.

A number of ways of skinning this cat - if you have trouble procuring the tetracycline - can use Fishcycline - same product - comes off the same production line - doesn't require a prescription.

Regards

Ken L

[Au_Ag]

My question is if it is an oxide why wouldn't a regular diet of antioxidants prevent the buildup..

The main part of the discovery as related in the book -

The nanobacteria coat themselves with a slime that attracts calcium phosphate. The calcium phospate continues building up on itself -

I do not recall oxidation being mentioned in the book.

The chelation strips (unroofs) the nanobacteria - the Tetracycline kills the nanobacteria once unroofed and prevents the returning calcification buildup.

Regards

Ken

[Halophyte]

EDTA is not an oxidant its a chelatant, it binds itself to calcites and sulphites. Once it does this EDTA has a neutral charge, it does not bind to anything. In a battery it simply settles to the bottom of the battery cell, like a muddy deposit. I suppose in the human body it is eventually filtered out by the liver.


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[Large Sarge]

citrus pectin is a cheap, safe, chelating agent, weaker than I.V. but still effective

[Curtman]

What product has citrus pectin? Is that like the kind found in Jello or Canning Pectin?

[Large Sarge]

What product has citrus pectin? Is that like the kind found in Jello or Canning Pectin?

Not the same I believe, you need to buy it seperately...

I believe it is actually the white pith around citrus fruits, the stuff we normally do not eat...

[Curtman]

Not the same I believe, you need to buy it seperately...

I believe it is actually the white pith around citrus fruits, the stuff we normally do not eat...

I used to on Oranges. On those large ones it is easy to peel the orange part and leave the white part underneath but quit doing that years ago. How do you ask for this product by naame?

[Large Sarge]

I used to on Oranges. On those large ones it is easy to peel the orange part and leave the white part underneath but quit doing that years ago. How do you ask for this product by naame?

Just do a search on the web, it is very inexpensive...

($5-$10 a month)

should be easy to find, recommended dose is 2 capsules taken 3 times a day, w/ meals

[Halophyte]

From what I was able to find out ETDA was synthesized in 1931 by Gernany to rid the body of heavy metals. Lead poisioning was common back then.

Oral dosage is only 7% of injections. The reason for Tetracycline is injection dosages strips a heck of alot more calcite exposing the body to massive bacteria build up in the blood stream. Oral dosage does not require antibiotics.

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[JCarvingblock]

I bought 1/2 kilo for about $35 - white powder form.

Wonder if it can be ingested ?

Ingestion would depend on whether you trusted the purity. Even a very small percentage of certain contaminates could render the product toxic. Mercury or lead for example. I believe EDTA is a chemical compound that is fairly easy to produce in the labratory and is actually somehow related to the paper making industry. (My ex-wife had training in bio-chemistry and told me that; I have never attempted to verify that information.)

Where did you get EDTA at such a good price? I paid about $20-25 shipping included for about 25 grams. Some outfit in the SE, (Georgia?). Pure powder (so they said) that came with a tiny ladle that would measure one gram by volume. Just put under the tongue and let it slowly absorb. Benefits from the one bottle seemed pretty marginal, and when I went to the website with intentions to re-order, the site was down. I did have a phone number, but decided not to re-order.

I am not like a lot of people who expect immediate and dramatic effects. This stuff takes years to build up, and if it (the plaque) can be removed in months, that is good enough for me. Some people might go on a vegetarian diet and expect to step on a scale three days later and see 30 pounds gone. It doesn't work like that.

So, I went to serrapeptase. I'm nearly through the third bottle now (90 caps per bottle, 450 milligrams each) and this stuff is having an effect similar to chelation. I know what I'm talking about because I had 13 chelation treatments about ten years ago. (There is no doubt in my mind that chelation works. Six treatments in I was breathing more clearly and the cobwebs were clearing out of my mind.) However, the stuff about nano-bacteria is all new to me, so thanks to Ken for starting this thread and posting the links.

This outfit is shipping the serrapeptase; they ship quick by priority mail. You might as well buy three bottles right out the chute; the first bottle you barely notice improvement.

http://www.davisbiotech.com/serrapeptase.htm
http://www.serrapeptase.org
http://www.desertburn.com (music loads; bunch of fluff makes slow load)

Their address is
Desert Burn Industries
1310 Dawsonville Highway - Suite D
Gainsville Ga 30501

$75 for three bottles and they pay the shipping. You might phone ahead to confirm, as they had included a $10 off coupon in the first order of one bottle; otherwise the price would be $85 for three bottles with shipping. I think the phone number is on one of the websites. (All websites are the same outfit)

Carvingblock

[Halophyte]

Where did you get EDTA at such a good price?

Trailhead Supply 801 225 3931 or 801 226 6630
325 E. 1165 N.
Orem UT 84057
e-mail to: trailheadsupply@webtv.net web site: www.webspawner.com/users/edta

"Our EDTA is the tetrasodium salt version which is the only form of EDTA reported on in Home Power Magazine. Our EDTA is 99.9% pure."

I don't eat it, I rejuvenate batteries with it.

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[Au_Ag]

From what I was able to find out ETDA was synthesized in 1931 by Gernany to rid the body of heavy metals. Lead poisioning was common back then.

Oral dosage is only 7% of injections. The reason for Tetracycline is injection dosages strips a heck of alot more calcite exposing the body to massive bacteria build up in the blood stream. Oral dosage does not require antibiotics.

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Under the nanobacteria regime -

Tetracycline kills the nanobacteria -

did not see anyone using/recommending tetracycline with injections other than for nanobacteria -



The reason for Tetracycline is injection dosages strips a heck of alot more calcite exposing the body to massive bacteria build up in the blood stream.


What is your reference on this? I have done a good bit of research on this and have not seen it put quite this way - I question that stating it in this manner is completely correct

In one sense it is correct in that the EDTA strips the calcium phostate from the calcification deposits around the nanobacteria and "unroofs" or exposes the nanobacteria which will then simply recalcify

Approximately half the population tests _negative_ for nanobacteria.

For the EDTA to work in the manner which you describe apparantly for general purposes we all would have to have massivie bacteria in our system.

While I am by no means an expert on this, I did do my homework prior to implementation and did not see this as you have stated, perhaps I missed something? - can you provide a link or other reference?

Oral dosage does not require antibiotics.

Sorry - but this is incorrect _if_ your intent is to kill nanobacteria.

Chelation is not new within the alternative medicine field - however, the approach as regards to Nanobacteria is pretty new and has only become popularized by the book "the Calcium Bomb"

I will readily admit that my knowledge of chelation for other purposes is quite limited_grin_

Regards

Ken

[JCarvingblock]

Where did you get EDTA at such a good price?

Trailhead Supply 801 225 3931 or 801 226 6630
325 E. 1165 N.
Orem UT 84057
e-mail to: trailheadsupply@webtv.net web site: www.webspawner.com/users/edta (http://www.webspawner.com/users/edta)

"Our EDTA is the tetrasodium salt version which is the only form of EDTA reported on in Home Power Magazine. Our EDTA is 99.9% pure."

I don't eat it, I rejuvenate batteries with it.

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Thanks for the information and link: " EDTA is $ 12 per pound plus $ 5.00 shipping and handling for the first pound plus $1.00 for each additional pound."

I'd bet that outfit I bought the EDTA is getting the stuff above, and just putting it into the one ounce bottles and selling it for $20. No wonder they disappeared. I spend a lot of time railing against government, but purity of medical products is probably best left to a government institution. Who is going to pay a lab to run a purity and contamination test on a one ounce sample?

Not everybody who works for government is a crook, and some of them are actually doing good services. (After that pep talk, maybe I'll make a contribution this year. - And then again, maybe not. :proud:)

Carvingblock

[Au_Ag]

this stuff is having an effect similar to chelation. I know what I'm talking about because I had 13 chelation treatments about ten years ago. (There is no doubt in my mind that chelation works. Six treatments in I was breathing more clearly and the cobwebs were clearing out of my mind.) However, the stuff about nano-bacteria is all new to me, so thanks to Ken for starting this thread and posting the links.


You're welcome_grin_

I'm gonna have to look into the stuff you're talking about -

If I can find one of the inserts that goes with the nanobac stuff, I mail to you if you like - or possibly scan and post - although I think its 10 or 12 pages



One comment - the suppositories are pulling enough metals out that I have had to triple up with my calcuim, magnesium and potassium supplements due to having muscle pains -

Only have a little more than three weeks left on the 4 month regime - Major benefits accrued by first six weeks - still improving but diminishing returns

My wife started about three weeks ago - and so far is having none of the problems I have had.

Note: a noticeable portion of the cost is for the supplements - not sure they are necessary - but I figured I would go the whole schmear so if it didn't work, it wouldn't be because of anything I left out

will check this thread later but have some things I have to take care of -

Regards

Ken

[Au_Ag]

"Our EDTA is the tetrasodium salt version which is the only form of EDTA reported on in Home Power Magazine. Our EDTA is 99.9% pure."


there are several forms of EDTA - I don't think this is the form that is commonly used internally - may be or it may not matter

Don't know, but is something to check out

Regards

Ken

[Curtman]

From what I was able to find out ETDA was synthesized in 1931 by Gernany to rid the body of heavy metals. Lead poisioning was common back then.

Oral dosage is only 7% of injections. The reason for Tetracycline is injection dosages strips a heck of alot more calcite exposing the body to massive bacteria build up in the blood stream. Oral dosage does not require antibiotics.

.

Isn't Tetracycline a antibiotic? What about replacing the good bacteria in the body. The cultured enzymes and acidolpholis?

[number six]

http://www.nanobacsciences.com/
nnbp.ob

Interesting science, not too sure about the stock.

[Halophyte]

Tetracycline

A steady regiment of antibiotics doesn't sound very healthy to me.


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[Curtman]

Tetracycline

A steady regiment of antibiotics doesn't sound very healthy to me.
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Agreed and that one is particularly rough on kidney and liver organs.

[GOLD DUCK]

http://www.calcify.com/

The book the Calcium Bomb can be had at Amazon for aobut $20.

The premise is - Finnish research scientist by accident comes across what he believes to be the smallest life form in the human body.

Names them Nanobacteria - Poor choice for a name -

Determines they coat themselves with calcium phospate - in an igloo like construction - Medical community realizes calcification present in many problems - but doesn't treat calcification itself as a condition.

The nanobacteria "unroof" with EDTA chelation. You take tetracycline to kill the unroofed bacteria.

Removes calcification deposits.

The book notes that for well over a decade the medical community continued performing expensive surgery for bleeding ulcers long after researchers showed that antibiotics would kill the bacteria that caused them.

Anybody that has heart disease (clogged variety) calcification problems, etc. should read this book and make their own decision.

I did this because my brain functions started deteriorating approximately 10 years ago. Been a real tough journey. Read in the book about "brain sands" and the fact that calcification is present in the synapses of Alzheimers patients - I figured if there was one in a thousand chance of improvement, It was worth it - I am so improved I have cut out most of the meds and my brain function has returned.

My wife - who worked in medical field and is a great skeptic - saw the difference in me and is now taking the regime.

I have absolutely no financial interest in any of this and am making this post to contribute to the on-line community.

I also believe that in future decades this will probably be done prophelacticaly (sp?) - however, heart diseased patients and elderly need it now.

My 80 year old parents are starting - In my believe that it will prolong and improve quality life.

The major beneficiary of treatment is to clean out calcification present in the blood stream.

The is clearly unconvential/alternative medicine that most doctors will say doesn't work.

I will say that I was not helped very much by the medical community with my problem and that it was a long difficult road just to get back to a marginal level of function.

This has worked remarkably for me.

Plenty of info in the link - google nanobacteria

Regards

Ken

QWAK,Ken, I forwarded your excelent post to a friend of mine who is a nurse,I added THIS and thought I would post it heare also as it FITS on this subject and many others that are related.
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What the EXPERTS think they KNOW is usualy not TRUE as it is what other EXPERTS (?) thought THEY knew a long time ago and people don't like to CHANGE what THEY think ---- so they DON'T, but THEY do continue to hold them selves OUT as EXPERTS and AUTHORITIES on any subject and in virtualy ALL profesions!

The EASIEST thing to CHANGE is your MIND,it is easier than changing your cloths,NO laces to untie,no buttons,hooks,zippers or even VELCRO FASTENERS! :)

People just DON'T like to change their MINDS!
GO FIGURE or like a DUCK --- PONDER! :)

HE HE HE,just being ME!
the DUCK

[Au_Ag]

Isn't Tetracycline a antibiotic?
Yep - sure is

What about replacing the good bacteria in the body. The cultured enzymes and acidolpholis?
ummm, well - wasn't thinking about the good bacteria _big grin_
We're talking blood stream.Shouldn't be an effect pertaining to the good bacteria you mentioned

Tetracycline A steady regiment of antibiotics doesn't sound very healthy to me.
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me either _grin_

Agreed and that one is particularly rough on kidney and liver organs.

Well, I wouldn't suggest that a healthy 20 or 30 year old individual do this.

However, if you're fifty, have heart disease in your family, or any condition that is complicated by calcification - you certainly might want to look into it.

Make no mistake about it - chelation is not like taking supplements and eating health food - this scenario takes effort , money and is not risk free.

However, the risks are minimal compared to the benefit _if you need the benefit_

I would certainly rather do four months of this than have a heart attack or have a stent put in,or go on without regaining my brain function -which has returned thankfully.

If it doesn't sound like a good idea to you, I wouldn't suggest you do it.

Further, they charge somewhat high dollars to do this in a Doctor's office and oversee the process. Doing it on your own without medical supervision is clearly not for everybody. Nor is it for anybody who is not at risk for calcification.

If you think you might benefit, the best thing to do is buy the book, and make up your mind in an informed manner -
A new concept - with iMHO, an excellent risk/benefit/cost ratio -

Regards

Ken

[JCarvingblock]

I thought I would post a caution on the serrapeptase. The bottle says take one per 24 hours before bedtime on a more or less empty stomach.

To began with, start with one. You might be the one person in ten thousand who would have some kind of allergic reaction. Perhaps even take the first one in the morning so the effects would happen during the day. This is, after all an enzyme grown in some kind of broth. (The enzyme started from the silkworm.)

I took one, waited 24 hours, went to two, after a couple of days, I went to four and stayed with that for a while. Currently back to two each night.
After three bottles ($75 worth), I believe the effects are about the same as four or five chelation treatments. I am having a slight negative effect. My sinuses are getting quite dry which has never been a problem before in my life. I noticed right from the start when I went on four per day that the sinuses would drain and dry up.

Again, serrapeptase is one of those things you need to stay with for at least thirty days before any significant improvement will happen.

Carvingblock

[Au_Ag]

I thought I would post a caution on the serrapeptase. The bottle says take one per 24 hours before bedtime on a more or less empty stomach.

To began with, start with one. You might be the one person in ten thousand who would have some kind of allergic reaction. Perhaps even take the first one in the morning so the effects would happen during the day. This is, after all an enzyme grown in some kind of broth. (The enzyme started from the silkworm.)

I took one, waited 24 hours, went to two, after a couple of days, I went to four and stayed with that for a while. Currently back to two each night.
After three bottles ($75 worth), I believe the effects are about the same as four or five chelation treatments. I am having a slight negative effect. My sinuses are getting quite dry which has never been a problem before in my life. I noticed right from the start when I went on four per day that the sinuses would drain and dry up.

Again, serrapeptase is one of those things you need to stay with for at least thirty days before any significant improvement will happen.

Carvingblock

thanks for the post

I'll check it out

Regards

Ken

[Goldhedge]

A number of ways of skinning this cat - if you have trouble procuring the tetracycline - can use Fishcycline - same product - comes off the same production line - doesn't require a prescription.

You can get tetracycline at the pet store. They use it on birds and probably other pets. Not sure of the dose or purity, but if anything like other DVM supplies, it is the same. DYODD

[hoarder]

I started taking Serrapeptase almost 4 weeks ago and just noticed a significant impovement in my eyesight. Yesterday evening I noticed my eyes didn't ache like they always do after spending many hours on the computer. This morning I picked up a phone book and was shocked that I didn't need my reading glasses!
I've also been taking another supplement in the same time period...Pycnogenol, so I'm not sure which one deserves credit. This is great, I've been walking around the house grabbing things that have small print and reading them.
My eyes had been deteriorating considerably in the last year.