Can PatColo please post his links again here please?
You should link to LCFC nowdaze, it's at the bottom of this post, :wink:
The very creators and propagators of the sacred 9/11 Coincidence/Incompetence Theorist's Bible have already bedunked the most absurd of all 9/11 CTs,
from politics.wikia.com (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation):
For example, the former director of the FBI says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission. -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation)
And the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people. -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation)
Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations. -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation)
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history. -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation)
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation)
And former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal" -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation); "This investigation is now compromised" -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation); and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up" -SOURCE (http://politics.wikia.com/index.php?title=There%27s_NEVER_Been_a_Real_9/11_Investigation)
Even after several attempts to show GIM members the distortions, exaggerations and completely false information pertaining to the facts surrounding the events of 9/11...
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/funny%20report.jpg
...this individual continues to promote the most uninformed, misleading and slanderous source of tabloid news on the internet.
"Good work Halo."
http://www.improbablecollapse.com/screens2/silverstein.jpg
"Don't bust your hump working all this overtime lately, you hear?!"
911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions (Full - 1ed.) (http://911weknow.com)
911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions (Full - 1ed.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871
Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth (ae911truth.org) (http://ae911truth.org)
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As your own eyes witness — WTC Building #7 (a 47 story high-rise not hit by an airplane) exhibits all the characteristics of a classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of “collapse”
http://www.ae911truth.net/videos/gallery/WTC7-eyewitness-2-PFC.wmv
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)
http://www.ae911truth.net/wtc7/WTC7-eyewitness-2-PFC.wmv
3. Symmetrical “collapse” (http://www.wtc7.net/verticalcollapse.html) – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos
http://www.ae911truth.net/wtc7/WTC7sidebysidePFC.wmv
5. “Collapses” into its own footprint (http://www.wtc7.net/rubblepile.html) – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds (http://www.ae911truth.net/wtc7/RG-fireman-witness-wtc7.avi)
7. Tons of molten Metal (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html) found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
8. Chemical signature of Thermate (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf) (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
9. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/index.html) on structural steel samples
10. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
YouTube - Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 1 of 3
11. Fore-knowledge (http://www.wtc7.net/foreknowledge.html) of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings (http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/b7/history.html) with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”.
http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg
As seen in this revealing photo the Twin Towers' destruction (http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/wtc/twintowers.html) exhibited all the characteristics of destruction by explosions:
1. Extremely rapid onset of “collapse”
2. Sounds of explosions (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/oralhistories/explosions.html) at plane impact zone — a full second prior to collapse (heard by 118 first responders as well as by media reporters)
3. Observations of flashes (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/oralhistories/explosions.html) (seen by numerous professionals)
4. Squibs (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/squibs.html), or “mistimed” explosions, 40 floors below the “collapsing” building seen in all the videos
5. Mid-air pulverization (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/concrete.html) of all the 90,000 tons of concrete and steel decking, filing cabinets & 1000 people – mostly to dust
6. Massive volume (http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volumev3.html) of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/dust.html)
7. Vertical progression of full building perimeter demolition waves (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/explosions.html)
8. Symmetrical collapse (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/symmetry.html) – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
9. 1,400 foot diameter field of equally distributed debris – outside of building footprint
10. Blast waves (http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/expulsion.html) blew out windows in buildings 400 feet away
11. Lateral ejection (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/mushrooming.html) of thousands of individual 20 - 50 ton steel beams up to 500 feet
12. Total destruction of the building (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/steel.html) down to individual structural steel elements – obliterating the steel core structure.
13. Tons of molten Metal (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html) found by FDNY under all 3 high-rises (no other possible source other than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
14. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/index.html) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf) by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
15. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/index.html) on structural steel samples
16. More than 1000 Bodies are unaccounted for (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/bodies.html) — 700 tiny bone fragments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank_Building) found on top of nearby buildings
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures (http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/how-hot.htm) capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html) with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”
Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth (ae911truth.org) (http://ae911truth.org)
The following well-written essay from JoePlummer.com - 1-Hour Guide to 911 (http://www.stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html):
A final appeal to Common Sense
If we ignore the impossibility of molten steel; the comparatively insignificant fires, the historical evidence, and the fact that WTC 7 was not struck by a plane there is still one remaining argument some try to advance regarding the towers. That argument is: "It was damage from the planes + the fires that triggered the observed collapse."
There are many angles we can attack this argument from. The most obvious is to point out the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707. Although the 707 is slightly smaller than a 767, it has a higher top speed. As such, a 707 traveling at top speed would actually hit with more force and do more damage than the planes that struck the towers.
The problem with the "obvious" response is it leaves too much wiggle room. It leaves the door open to silly arguments about fireproofing being dislodged, (read up on the Windsor buildings' "fireproofing" to crush that argument) the circumstances under which designers expected a 707 would impact the towers, (some have argued the architects only planned for a collision if a plane was lost in fog and traveling at reduced speeds) etc, etc.
To rid ourselves of all these diversions and get right to the heart of what is wrong with the way in which the two towers collapsed, we're going to throw the apologists for the official theory a bone.
Better than dislodged fireproofing, super duper jet fuel, or miscalculations about plane velocity, we're prepared to offer up absolute and utter devastation. We're not talking about some bending or melting of steel, or a few knocked out columns in the planes path; we're talking about the complete vaporization of EVERYTHING in the impact zone. -Poof, gone!
In this case we'll use the North Tower for our example. We know that the North Tower was struck between the 93rd and 98th floor. Per our guidelines, we'll assume those floors were completely vaporized instantaneously. -If this were the case, what would we be looking at?
Working our way from the ground up we'd see a 93 story tower followed by 5 missing floors, and ending with an intact section measuring 12 floors high "suspended" above the 5 story gap. (Of course in the real world, a 12 story chunk of building can't "hover" above a 5 story section of nothing; but for the sake of making a point, we're going to leave it hang there for a minute.)
Right next to our tower we're going to use a crane to raise another 12 story section to the same height as the "hovering" 12 story section. If you're having a hard time visualizing all this, here is a picture of what we're looking at:
http://0301.netclime.net/1_5/21b/010/0eb/11764162552377148.jpg
Simple question: If both sections are dropped at the exact same time, which section do you think will hit the earth first? Or maybe a better question would be: Who in their right mind could possibly believe the chunk of debris on the left (with the intact 93 stories beneath) would hit the earth at the same time as the chunk of debris on the right (with nothing but air to brake its fall?)
Even using our very generous "5 missing floors" scenario (where the upper debris can literally free-fall for approximately 60 feet) the debris will only achieve a speed of roughly 40 miles per hour before colliding with the remaining 1,116 + feet of structural steel below. -are we really to believe near free-fall acceleration through 1,116 feet of structural steel is possible?
-Of course our "generous" 5 missing floors scenario isn't real. Those 5 floors WERE in the way and surely would have prevented the mass of falling debris from attaining anything near a 60 foot free-fall speed. Knowing this, cut the rate of descent in half (and multiply the absurdity of the governments' assertion by 5.)
For the scientists out there: What kind of Gs would the falling debris achieve at roughly 20 miles per hour? Better question: How many g's would be required to not only overcome the built in "5 times rated weight" redundancy of the supporting structure below, but permit the continued acceleration of debris as if it were traveling through nothing more than 1,116 feet of air?
Call 'em crazy, but these are some of the reasons why a growing circle of physicists, engineers, scientists, high ranking government officials and everyday citizens are rejecting the government's "fire initiated collapse" theory. Buildings don't magically disintegrate at free-fall speed...it isn't rocket science. -If it was only a matter of lighting a few strategic fires to bring down high-rise structures (into nice neat little piles) there's little doubt demolition companies around the world would be saving themselves a fortune (per demolition) doing just that.
In closing, here is a short clip of a "demo gone wrong." Note what happens when only PART of the structure is blown out from under the building.
http://tree3.com/1hr/zipfeed2.wmv
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