What brought the towers down???

[PatColo]

Why would they demolish buildings that had already been devastated by plane crashes? I will tell you why. It was crucial to the mind control aspect -- the maximum psychological impact that only watching those buildings fall while we were being told on live TV that as many as 10,000 people were inside. (Remember how that felt? I'm sure you do!)

The images of the buildings collapsing with thousands of people inside was necessary to have the psychological impact that we are living inside of today. If anyone asks an uncomfortable question about what is going on in the world today, the answer will start with the words: "In a post-9/11 world...blah blah blah."

It was done to hypnotise a nation.

And it sure has worked.

Recall there were "idiots with bull horns" inside the 2nd tower before it was hit, instructing workers to return to their desks, that the building was secure... they (Marvin Bush´s WTC security agency) tried to pump up the casualty numbers much more than the 3000 or so it ended up being.

I searched the web for the above story (it had multiple mainline sources) but it seems it´s been scrubbed, history erased, at least from google. Can anyone find?

[Large Sarge]

Although PatColo has brought up some wonderful supporting evidence (mysterious passports appearing, etc), as have many others on this thread...

I seem to remember the pilots who trained our arab hijackers stating that they thoguht it was impossible for those guys to hit a building while traveling at that speed...

something to the effect of "They could barely find the controls on the plane"

now the most plausible theory I have heard is that they had a GPS tracking system w/ Remote control in one of the buildings behind the towers...

seems both planes had a trajectory to one other building, like they were aiming for this building...

Anyone remember this?
That actually hitting the building while traveling that fast would be very difficult, and they did it on their first pass...

someone did an article on my point, how convenient....

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=29641

[gpond]

Recall there were "idiots with bull horns" inside the 2nd tower before it was hit, instructing workers to return to their desks, that the building was secure... they (Marvin Bush´s WTC security agency) tried to pump up the casualty numbers much more than the 3000 or so it ended up being.

I searched the web for the above story (it had multiple mainline sources) but it seems it´s been scrubbed, history erased, at least from google. Can anyone find?I read that the announcements to "return to work" came over public address system. I don't recall ever hearing about bullhorns.

www.nfpa.org/assets/files/MbrSecurePDF/Journal0902HumanFactor.pdf (http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/MbrSecurePDF/Journal0902HumanFactor.pdf)

[PatColo]

Halo, browbeating GIMers about your outlandish 911 CT would appear a waste of your precious engineering time, when you should be putting the same time towards becoming

GIM´s next MILLIONAIRE! (http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm)

And don´t try to wiggle out with "awww they´ll never pay it"... that´s weak and transparent.

Prove your CT (don´t forget WTC7!), then if Reopen911/Walters don´t pay up, you go public, ridiculing WaltersCo, and you also put this whole global 911-Truth flap to bed once and for all. You´ll be doing a great service to humanity, in proving that the gummit´s Official 911 CT is indeed accurate, that the warrenterra is not just a hoax, and we should indeed fight it around the world wherever there´s people living on top of oil oops I mean "terrorists".

Get to work on grabbing your million bucks, and let us know how it goes. :banana:

[gpond]

Here is a chapter out of Tarpley's book about 9/11. This chapter is about the 3 buildings.

Especially interesting is Giulliani's antics regarding the disposal of the physical evidence at ground zero.

http://reopen911.org/Tarpley_ch_6.pdf

Rudy is a peach.

[Ponce Cuba]

Think about it people....... the odds of a plane like that being hijacked is a million to one and the odds of TWO of them being hijacked is ten millions to one but the adds of FOURRRRRRRR OF THEM? I won't even go into that.

The you have the adds of all four of them flying around freely......and then the adds of one plane being flown by a student pilot....BUT FOUR OF THEM?

And then one of them hitting its target.......BUT THREE OF THEM?

And them so many building collapsing the same way hahahahahaahahah.

And then at the Pentagon the invisible plane that went in to the black hole that measured 4x8 and left no traces behind.

And the the fact that the ONLY two passports to survive were the ones of the two so called "terrorists"

And then the fact that FIVE..... I say again my last transmission, FIVE of the so called "terrorists" are alive and well.

Int ZBK? do you read me LOUD AND CLEAR???????

There is a Lot more that I won't go into......but you get all the above facts together and what do you get? BULL , BULL , BULL.

You also have the stocks that were bought just before the "terrorist" attacks and that were traced to Israelis that were bought by way of Canada and were ID by their passport and drivers licence and you don't hear nothing about, I saw this info only one time and then it was goneeeee.

[Blue_pill_envy]

Aint it interesting that the pentagon hired a British outfit (AMEC) to do the reinforcing job on the pentagon section that got hit on 911?

I guess all the American companies were busy.

Aint it also interesting that Building 7 was being wired by……AMEC…..leading up to 911?

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[gpond]

Int ZBK?
:D :D :D Hahaha!

QRT ZAA.. Heh heh... :aetsch:

[Goldhedge]

If in fact it is a conspiracy, it has to include 1000's of people that actively participated to kill not only innocent people, but sacrificed thousands of their own to...supposedly make it easier to garner support to attack Iraq?
First, do not assume these were Americans doing the job. It could be the Mossad. How many agents in the Mossad? Sworn to secrecy? How many experts do you need to set charges in each building in the weeks before the event. (5 jumping and celebrating on a roof?) All you need are blue prints. Also, don't forget to turn off the security cameras in each building for maintenance. I'd say that maybe 30 people knew of the events to come. Others involved maybe were "just doing their job". Suicide by cop.

Consider the fact that on every plane there is an auto pilot that can be 'intercepted' by outside control - all you need is the code for the plane. Put one transponder becon in each building.

I've never been able to make a cell phone call from a plane leaving the airport, I've tried. Yet, there were many calls on those planes? Something about a metal tube and radio waves just don't mix.

Bankers have always been reaping profits on both sides of a war. Project for a New American Century laid out the plans for the next war. Check their website. Domination of Iraq and its oil were necessary to keep control. They said they needed a "Pearl Harbor type event" to get the American people behind the war.

If you ask me, I get the sense that the Zionists are behind it. America is their 'tool'. We are being duped, used, to forward their agenda of world control. We are goyim. No, I'm not a Jew hater, but when there's smoke - there's usually a reason for it. I see lots of smoke. Haven't found the cause, but there sure appears to be a trail - pieces of a puzzle - of Zionism strewn about. Odd that they keep popping up and dissappearing.
:bandito:

[bigjon]

The passenger manifests clearly show that none of the claimed Arab hijackers names appear, so they must have been traveling under false names, yet no one has given us the names they were (supposedly) using.

It would be interesting if someone tracked down all of the names of the manifests and found that they all were accounted for and there were NO Arabs. I don’t know if this has been done, anyone?

[gpond]

Even the government admits that it is a conspiracy. No lone gunman here. We are just discussing who was in on it.

[gpond]

The passenger manifests clearly show that none of the claimed Arab hijackers names appear, so they must have been traveling under false names, yet no one has given us the names they were (supposedly) using.

It would be interesting if someone tracked down all of the names of the manifests and found that they all were accounted for and there were NO Arabs. I don’t know if this has been done, anyone?

Here's a discussion about that kind of thing, but I haven't read to the end of it yet. Interesting site, this one, anyway:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread12242/pg1

Be sure to read at least through to page 3, where it starts to get better, more juicy factoids.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8273/table010cd.jpg

[Halophyte]

ahem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
A New York Times article entitled Physicists Debunk Claim Of a New Kind of Fusion notes that while peer-reviewers were quite critical of Pons and Fleishchmann's research, they did not apply such criticism to Jones's much more modest findings.[2] The reviewing physicists stated that "Dr. Jones is a careful scientist."



incidentally Halo you´re being kind of quiet about how the House Of Spooks aka WTC7 fell down.





Thanks for noticing the questionable credibility of the 'CT Bible' author of squibs, demos and the house of spooks.

I'm sure it will be dismissed ASAP.

As far as "brow beating" is concerned, the last I checked, I'm the only one on this board who's got guts enough to question the 'alternative sources'. Others stretch the meaning of the phrase "brow beat" when it applies to me questioning precious myths. For example;


My Question - The point I brought up in the beginning requiring physical evidence of explosives that brought down the twin towers.

Popular Answer - "Squibs"

My Question - But it doesn't cut it when you compare those so-called "squibs" with the real thing in videos of controlled explosives. "Squibs" happen BEFORE building starts to fall. None of your precious video footage shows squibs PRIOR to collapse.

Popular Answer - The explosive then magically migrated to the basement of the towers, except for WTC7 (that was never answered by the Myth Builders except for denial of video evidence that all the so called "squibs" occur AFTER the buildings started to collapse).

My Question - Then why did the towers far from the TOP DOWN ?

Popular Answer - Denial of video footage evidence and spin the answer to fit yet another CT Video - "Dust cloud" at the base of the towers. Then compare the 757's impact on the towers to the Empire State buildings incident (as instructed to think in the _Loose Change_ video).

My Question - Why does the _Loose Change_ video narrator lie about the size of the aircraft that hit the Empire State building ?

Popular Answer - Silence. (Cause in reality the Empire State building aircraft doesn't fit the size of the aircraft that hit the towers - it would take 34 of them to do the same energy of impact - no comparison)

My Question - Please review the engineering data I supplied (from a non govcrat source) about the structure of the towers and cause of structural failure after impact, loss of fireproofing and prolonged fires.

Popular Answer - Silence. Then spin the argument of physics to suggestive political conjecture instead of science.



More amazing answers from malleable minds;


"It was thermite they used" (a Doc Jones special) - But thermite does not go BOOM. And every one close to the towers would have seen the flash burn.

"It was shaped charges" - But everyone would have seen the flash and squibs at the base of the towers instead of a dust cloud. None were reported.

"It was dynamite or cordex" - But those explosives are used to crack reinforced concrete/steel columns. Requiring drilling to place the explosives - like big huge hammer drills with pneumatic airlines and a compressor. Lots of work for several days maybe a week or so.

"You can see the sequential charges going off on WTC7" - but no one seen the spooks wiring up the charges that takes days to do. And leaves a spider web of detonator cables wired about the building. Or the fact that it requires you to believe the spooks demo'ed it AS it fell ...

"There was hot molten steel several days/weeks/years/centuries after the collapse" - No chit mon, what do you people think would be left after a 757 impact, immense fires insulated by structural concrete (like a pottery kiln's refractory), structural failure, 100 zillion tons of building falling 1000 feet and 100 zillion tons of concrete/steel piled up in an insulation pack at its base ?

Duh ...




Next rebuttal coming up - "Halo your just a NWO counter intelligence disinformation spook"

Yeah, right.

Lets get this over with and get straight to popular digressions of mass hysteria and creative ignorance.

Yo' momma wears army boots ...



The reason the Myth Builders keep coming after me with brow beating stupidity is because I question their precious myths.

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[gpond]

"There was hot molten steel several days/weeks/years/centuries after the collapse" - No chit mon, what do you people think would be left after a 757 impact, immense fires insulated by structural concrete (like a kiln), structural failure, 100 zillion tons of building falling 1000 feet and 100 zillion tons of concrete/steel piled up in an insulation pack at its base ?

This is the most interesting piece of evidence in the whole thing. And the hardest to explain away. I haven't heard a good explanation for the molten steel.

[Halophyte]

This is the most interesting piece of evidence in the whole thing. And the hardest to explain away. I haven't heard a good explanation for the molten steel.

Does this mean you going to skirt around the other facts ?

Others will ...



I'm done with this crap .... I'm sure it's to great relief of the Myth Builders.

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[gpond]

Does this mean you going to skirt around the other facts ?

I guess so.

I am not a demolitions expert. I simply would like to see a real investigation.

[Nuggethunter]

Im sure there are some important people on this board. Cops, firemen, local politicians, wise Sages, firearms instructors, semi pro fighters . And probably some bad azz dudes that I wouldn't mess with right? OK agreed.

The question I have is If your so bad and proud of yourselves and are 100%sure the towers were brought down by explosives how can you sit on your hands and do nothing. Ought to be ASHAMED. Just a real shame.

[PatColo]

I'm done with this crap .... I'm sure it's to great relief of the Myth Builders.

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promises promises, how many times have you promised you were done pimping for the Official 911 CT, and then betrayed your promise?

Halo, browbeating GIMers about your outlandish 911 CT would appear a waste of your precious engineering time, when you should be putting the same time towards becoming

GIM´s next MILLIONAIRE! (http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm)

And don´t try to wiggle out with "awww they´ll never pay it"... that´s weak and transparent.
.


So you´re just gonna turn up your nose to that million bucks with your name on it?

¿Por que?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif
www.WTC7.net

And, you´re also leaving us all hanging on what your Bible, the Zelikow 911 Whitewash Report, with it´s fullest possible accounting of the events of 911, says about the "very abrupt melting" of the House Of Spooks.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif
www.WTC7.net

[Dude]

Im sure there are some important people on this board. Cops, firemen, local politicians, wise Sages, firearms instructors, semi pro fighters . And probably some bad azz dudes that I wouldn't mess with right? OK agreed.

The question I have is If your so bad and proud of yourselves and are 100%sure the towers were brought down by explosives how can you sit on your hands and do nothing. Ought to be ASHAMED. Just a real shame.

I said the same thing to my son last night after reading this.

[PatColo]

Im sure there are some important people on this board. Cops, firemen, local politicians, wise Sages, firearms instructors, semi pro fighters . And probably some bad azz dudes that I wouldn't mess with right? OK agreed.

The question I have is If your so bad and proud of yourselves and are 100%sure the towers were brought down by explosives how can you sit on your hands and do nothing. Ought to be ASHAMED. Just a real shame.

Spreading the truth the only way we have, grass roots, is more than nothing, no?

[Large Sarge]

@ Halo,

skepticism is warranted in every situation (especially science), but you seem to have "Selective skepticism", like how the all 3 building fall in their own footprints, or how these pilots who could not manage a little cessna for 1/2 hour piloted 757's for hundreds of miles....

others could add to my list at length, you simply ignore, discredit (without any real science or proof), or just badmouth...

this is sad, no one is expecting your 1,000 ounces anymore....

I honestly used to think of you as a pretty smart fellow, in reading some of your posts on alternative energy, but after this.... I am left wondering...

This reminds me a little bit of good old Bobby PRechtor predicting $100.00 an ounce gold, because his Elliot wave told him so, he was saying that 3-4 years ago, near the gold bottom...
with gold more than doubled in price, old Bobby is still in there saying "Gold $100.00 an ounce is coming"

He simply refuses to admit he was wrong...

I often wonder how many paid subscribers he has lost due to his own arrogance....

The similarities are striking....

I guess you can be thankful you do not depend on your reputation for your income, you might suffering like Prechtor these days....

as stated, no one is expecting the 1,000 ounces....

" Gold $100.00 an ounce is coming soon, I promise... Wave number 5 is almost here...."

[Reformed Idealist]

Several questions for this discussion:

1) Someone claimed 5 of the hijackers are still walking around. Proof is where?

2) If these planes did not have Arab hijackers, where are the 19 men who weren't involved and are still alive?

3) What about the numerous tape recordings, including on private citizens answering machines describing Arab hijackers. As for the poster who states you can't call with a cell phone on a plane - I suggest you switch carriers. I have tried it successfully more than once. Plus some of the callers were using airphones in the headrests of the planes.

4) As for the claim that no skysraper has ever collapsed due to fire apart from 9-11 as proof of something fishy with WTC 7. How many skyscraper fires get to burn for 9 hours without a drop of water being put on it.

5) To the poster who claims it is suspicious that the only passport found was one of the hijackers, implying that it was planted there after the fact. As a U.S. citizen, how many domestic flights have you taken that require you to carry your passport? That is, do you think even one person on any of the flights, other than foreigners, was even carrying a passport, no to mention the many thousands working at the WTC. How many of them were carrying their passports?

6) What conspiracy, even one 1/10th this size has ever gone on 5 years without one document, one smoking gun, one eyewitness, one death bed confession, coming forth to unravel it?

7) Despite the many "discrepencies" and theories that are posted here, there is still not one universal consisitent theory how this event unfolded live, unrehearsed, on national television, without one execution flaw.

8) Why do you ignore the firefighter's and rescue personel description at the Pentagon describing obvious plane parts?

Comments: For me, this is one gigantic example of extreme cognitive disonance. To be shown such blatantly obvious example of evil in this world, the type which has been shown over and over again to exist and to flourish with ignorance, or denial, or apathy, and to not be able to recognize it, but rather try to explain it away with wild theories is a textbook case of cognitive disonance.

Also, a surefire clue that these theories are off-base is to see how frequently they rely on such "evidence" like a flight instructor said they couldn't fly straight, or "that small hole in the Pentagon sure looks too small to be caused by a plane." and on and on.

Also, when one places such a high regard for the techniques and abilities of an entity like the Mossad, you must immediately become suspect. When the realities are revealed, you will see these organizations also bungle and fail frequently, and can rarely pull anything off without some glitches. They are run by humans, not superhumans, and to give them so much credit as to say that 30 of them could fly 4 planes into various targets, counterfit all of the answering machine and air traffic control messages, to stage controlled demolitions able to be detonated despite the chaos and power outages on NATIONAL TELEVISION with millions of viewers and thousands of eyewitnesses with no further problems such as charges failing to detonate, etc. and then to withstand every fire and rescue team in America to dig in the rubble for months without finding anything suspicious, and to do this on the first try without a single lapse is just too unbelievable. And as hard as it is to comprehend that 3 buildings fell, and to look as semi-suspicous circumstantial evidence (eg the WTC insurance policy, etc) without having some degree of suspicion and curiosity, it is far easier to comprehend than the alternative -- a hodge-podge of outlandish theories, unsubstantiated "facts" and conspiracies which are 10 times harder to believe.

Again, not being personal with these comments, but what fun would this board be if everyone was in total agreement. What would you talk about then?

[gpond]

6) What conspiracy, even one 1/10th this size has ever gone on 5 years without one document, one smoking gun, one eyewitness, one death bed confession, coming forth to unravel it?

Nit picking here, but how would we know the answer to that one? (Think about it, folks. :wink: )

Sure would be nice if a real investigation had occurred to answer all your questions.

[gpond]

8) Why do you ignore the firefighter's and rescue personel description at the Pentagon describing obvious plane parts?
OK, just to keep the ball rolling...

I have chicken parts in my garbage can at home, but we never had a chicken.

[Reformed Idealist]

OK, just to keep the ball rolling...

I have chicken parts in my garbage can at home, but we never had a chicken.

Do you also have airplane wreckage in your garbage can? You're losing me with how your dietary preferences and your neighbor's confusing your can with his has anything to do with 9-11.

[gpond]

I just don't think it would be difficult to get one's hands on some "airplane parts".

I'm answering you in kindof a funny way, because you seem to be a good-natured fellow. Was just having a little fun.

PS. Still in a good natured spirit:

I could have asked you that if I showed you that I did have airplane wreckage in my garbage can, would you have concluded that a plane crashed in there?

[Ponce Cuba]

Reformed? I was the one that said that FIVE of the so called terrorist are alive and well, all that you have to do is a search and you will see them and the interview with them......by the way one of the that went to the flying school did become a pilot.

I was also the one that wrote about the two passports being found.....also a matter of record if you do a search.

As a speed reader I do read a lot on different subjects and don't keep everything in "my favorites" sorry about that.

About the Pentagon.....remember that fire fighter don't know the difference between a regular plane and a smaller one with tires that could be made into a missile...........and where are the bodies? luggage" wings? seats, big engines? come on now buddy, use your head.

[Reformed Idealist]

Reformed? I was the one that said that FIVE of the so called terrorist are alive and well, all that you have to do is a search and you will see them and the interview with them......by the way one of the that went to the flying school did become a pilot.

I was also the one that wrote about the two passports being found.....also a matter of record if you do a search.

As a speed reader I do read a lot on different subjects and don't keep everything in "my favorites" sorry about that.

About the Pentagon.....remember that fire fighter don't know the difference between a regular plane and a smaller one with tires that could be made into a missile...........and where are the bodies? luggage" wings? seats, big engines? come on now buddy, use your head.

Please link me one of those interview - can't find one with my Chinese Google search engine.

[gpond]

Here is a start on the hijackers, although I do not vouch for any one of the sources you will find here. Some appear to be less credible than others:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=911+hijackers+alive

[Ponce Cuba]

Thanks G, QRU 5X5.......hehehehehehehehe, good old days.