What brought the towers down???

[Bullion_Bob]

Because honesty is not what Richard Gage is about ... there is no 837 "licensed architects & engineers" , read the full list, ANYONE, any crackpot can join the "cause".


i.e.

Lic: "insert state here" License # "insert license # here"

(hint: click on the Licensed architect number that keeps increasing)

:bear_thumb:

[stormholloway]

If you refer to WTC1/2 , drop twenty stories on top of one and see what happens.

Every floor represented a great amount of resistance to that force, yet the collapses of the towers were in free-fall, implying zero resistance. You seem to miss this point.

[GoldWampum]

Re: What brought the towers down???

Ultimately it was gravity.

[El Scampio]

Re: What brought the towers down???

Ultimately it was gravity.

I came here with the sole intentions of saying that :bawling:

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride :bear_cry:

[Pat]

Every floor represented a great amount of resistance to that force, yet the collapses of the towers were in free-fall, implying zero resistance.

You seem to miss this point.

Yo, truther.

The weight of the collapsing debris impacting the each floor down INCREASED as the towers fell, while the resistance to that force REMAINED THE SAME for each floor.

You seem to be missing a brain.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Yo, truther.

The weight of the collapsing debris impacting the each floor down INCREASED as the towers fell, while the resistance to that force REMAINED THE SAME for each floor.

You seem to be missing a brain.


how many floors were there ?

and wouldn't each " impact " use up time ?

how fast did the towers fall again ?

[Pat]

how many floors were there ?

and wouldn't each " impact " use up time ?

how fast did the towers fall again ?



All that was needed was the initial weight to exceed 8 times live load to bust the trusses of the next floor.

Twenty floors came down.

Each floor experience an INCREASE in weight and thus INCREASE of moment of impact but each floor's resistance REMAINS the same.

Each INCREASING moment of impact required LESS TIME to exceed live load limits but each floor's resistance DOES NOT CHANGE.



But don't worry, you're noyt alone, this logic fails most truthers and their ignorant supporters.

[traderken]

Im not into this stuff and I am Not going to read this entire thread...

Im sure its not original...But I have a theory..

What if the government Knew about a planed attack (likely like pearl harbor)
And Planted demo charges to set off after the attack?

[Pat]

Im not into this stuff and I am Not going to read this entire thread...

Im sure its not original...But I have a theory..

What if the government Knew about a planed attack (likely like pearl harbor)
And Planted demo charges to set off after the attack?



Special "demo charges" that only go off after the buildings begin to fall ?

I can see it InfoWars now, the 911 Redundant Theory ...



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[stormholloway]

Yo, truther.

The weight of the collapsing debris impacting the each floor down INCREASED as the towers fell, while the resistance to that force REMAINED THE SAME for each floor.

You seem to be missing a brain.

What are you talking about? The collapsing section of the tower plowed through the lower. The collapsing section did not somehow increase in mass. It merely pulverized everything below it, somehow.

You also admit that there was resistance on every floor during the collapse, yet the collapse speed indicates that there was no resistance. And why does the collapsing section choose the path of MOST resistance? It could either have a) not collapsed b) toppled over or c) chosen to plow through countless tons of fully intact concrete and steel. It was an odd choice to say the least.

And how do you explain what was happening in the basement of the towers? People had their skin blown off. People in the basement and lobbies witnessed "bombs" going off. The lobbies themselves were decimated. What's your magical explanation for this?

And have you noticed that every one of your explanations involves some highly improbable, if not impossible, occurrence? The probability of many highly improbable occurrences actually occurring doesn't bode well for your lame ass argument.

Nonetheless I enjoy letting you make a fool out of yourself.

[Pat]

What are you talking about? The collapsing section of the tower plowed through the lower. The collapsing section did not somehow increase in mass. It merely pulverized everything below it, somehow.





The initial section that failed and crushed the floor below it added the weight of that floor to the moving mass.

How hard is this to understand ? 20 + 1 = 21, 21 + 1 = 22, 22 + 1 = 23, etc ...

The moving mass INCREASED in weight and volume.

The resistance of each floor REMAINS THE SAME.

The moment of impact INCREASED for each floor carrying the added debris to the next floor..

The resistance to impact REMAINS THE SAME for each floor.

The amount of time needed to overcome resistance DECREASES for each floor.

That is the perfect formula for an ACCELERATING collapse.

Is 1st grade math a mystery to you?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w

[PatColo]

yada yada no evidence of WTC CD yada yada scary moozlems did 911 yada yada


aww jeez looky there, every time the HaloMatic-BSProjector-SpamBot-9000^TM spews, that number gets bigger,

840 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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[Pat]

licensed architects & engineers now calling the official 911 CT a fraud!


That is an outright lie.

They're asking for another investigation, no one called anything "a fraud".

Why do you fabricate these lies ?

Why can't you join the debate and give us your theory on collapse dynamics instead of spamming this forum at every opportunity ?




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[stormholloway]

The initial section that failed and crushed the floor below it added the weight of that floor to the moving mass.

How hard is this to understand ? 20 + 1 = 21, 21 + 1 = 22, 22 + 1 = 23, etc ...

The moving mass INCREASED in weight and volume.

The resistance of each floor REMAINS THE SAME.

The moment of impact INCREASED for each floor carrying the added debris to the next floor..

The resistance to impact REMAINS THE SAME for each floor.

The amount of time needed to overcome resistance DECREASES for each floor.

That is the perfect formula for an ACCELERATING collapse.

Is 1st grade math a mystery to you?]

You really stand by this analysis? Floors didn't just stack up as the collapsing section fell. Concrete and steel was pulverized. It didn't just stack up floor by floor. It was flung outward as the collapsing section fell. Is this more of that pancaking BS?

And how do you explain the collapse speed? You keep ignoring that. Each floor represented considerable resistance, yet the building fell at the same speed a building falls under a controlled demolition. So how was this resistance removed?

I keep repeating the same points because you keep ignoring them. Nice cherry picking.

[stormholloway]

And how do you explain what was happening in the basement of the towers? People had their skin blown off. People in the basement and lobbies witnessed "bombs" going off. The lobbies themselves were decimated. What's your magical explanation for this?

Yet another point you've selectively ignored.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Silverstein and his " pull it " comment

Pat, would you agree he made this comment and what did he mean by it ?

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[Gaillo]

What brought the towers down???

Gravity.

[Pat]

Silverstein and his " pull it " comment

Pat, would you agree he made this comment and what did he mean by it ?




Lets take a look at the truther's bible of assumptions, page 341, sub paragraph 4;

"Larry paid off the New York Fire Department, all its employees, all the local and national news organization, the New Your Police Department and its employees and they all loaded 10,000 pounds of super nano thermetic TNT into the building while it was burning."

"They all now own islands in the Caribbean and drink margaritas ... and that's the truth"


bancha

[stormholloway]

Lets take a look at the truther's bible of assumptions, page 341, sub paragraph 4;

"Larry paid off the New York Fire Department, all its employees, all the local and national news organization, the New Your Police Department and its employees and they all loaded 10,000 pounds of super nano thermetic TNT into the building while it was burning."

I don't know anyone who has ever suggested the statement in bold.

King of the Strawmen strikes again.

[Pat]

I don't know anyone who has ever suggested the statement in bold.

King of the Strawmen strikes again.

I couldn't help but notice you didn't argue about accusing the FDNY or NYPD.

A "truthers" Freudian slip ...

I can tell what comes out of your moth before you even think about it.

Because you don't think.




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[stormholloway]

I couldn't help but notice you didn't argue about accusing the FDNY or NYPD.

A "truthers" Freudian slip ...

I can tell what comes out of your moth before you even think about it.

Because you don't think..

Someone obviously forgot to pay off the firefighters and police who found molten steel in the sub-levels of the WTC and witnessed the explosions throughout the towers. They didn't keep their mouths shut. Your Freudian slip comment doesn't even make sense. You have to actually say something in order to slip you fool. Not criticizing one of your many foolish comments does not constitute a slip.

You're sub-rate even amongst debunkers.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Pat,

in your opinion, what did Silverstein mean by " pull it " ?

[Pat]

Someone obviously forgot to pay off the firefighters and police who found molten steel in the sub-levels of the WTC and witnessed the explosions throughout the towers.


Do you repeat anything that isn't a 911 myth ?

In the video below you'll see how Dr. Jones and the 911 "truth" movement lied to you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YXzjAKJQOg

[Canadian-guerilla]

Pat,

in your opinion, what did Silverstein mean by " pull it " ?


still waiting . . . .

[Pat]

still waiting . . . .

And still avoiding facts, you silly truther.






Silverstein's Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business

Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:

"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Banaciski_Richard.txt

Here is more evidence they pulled the teams out waiting for a normal collapse from fire...

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Nigro_Daniel.txt

"Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Cruthers.txt

"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Ryan_William.txt




So there's your answer, CG.

Now its your turn to truthertize it into another CONspiracy for your ignorant, gullible followers to lap up.




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[Canadian-guerilla]

'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."


so you're claiming the " it " refered to, is the fire/rescue teams ?

So there's your answer, CG.

Now its your turn to truthertize it into another CONspiracy for your ignorant, gullible followers to lap up.



i'm asking for YOUR OPINION, not gobbly-gook from the official gov't disinfo sheet

[Canadian-guerilla]

So there's your answer, CG.

Now its your turn to truthertize it into another CONspiracy for your ignorant, gullible followers to lap up.




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Pat

i see you're back to using the big space then period posting method again

JP does that too doesn't he . . . . .

[Pat]

i'm asking for YOUR OPINION, not gobbly-gook from the official gov't disinfo sheet


You couldn't give a shit less about my opinion and you wouldn't have a clue what the source of anything is because you haven't the faculties to do your own research.

Quit asking everyone to hold your hand and lead you around, quit following the 911 denial cult crowd, grow a spine, take off your tinfoil hat and do your own investigation.

Try thinking for your self.



fo

[Canadian-guerilla]

You couldn't give a shit less about my opinion and you wouldn't have a clue what the source of anything is because you haven't the faculties to do your own research.

Quit asking everyone to hold your hand and lead you around, quit following the 911 denial cult crowd, grow a spine, take off your tinfoil hat and do your own investigation.

Try thinking for your self.

i do think for myself

9/11 was an inside job



fo

touched a nerve did i ?

[SomeSilver]

I voted "all by explosives". Building 7 was undoubtably brought down by
explosives...Assumption is that if #7 was rigged beforehand with demolitions, it is logical the towers were too. The plane hits were props
in the "play"; included in the plot to provide plausible explanation for
the total destruction.