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Pat

09-13-2009, 01:05 PM

i do think for myself

9/11 was an inside job...baaaak !

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Canadian-guerilla

09-13-2009, 01:12 PM

you must be a graduate of the randman school of " rational and open " discussion

Pat
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Pat

09-13-2009, 01:19 PM

you must be a graduate of the randman school of " rational and open " discussion

Pat
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Take a look, "truther" !

You might not like what you see but, take a look.

http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00UCZEWmFJLtlqM/Mirror-Frame-W-020-.jpg

PatColo

09-13-2009, 01:52 PM

Firefighters For 9/11 Truth (http://firefightersfor911truth.org/)

"An Appeal to Firefighters, Present and Past

Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor. However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. " more (http://firefightersfor911truth.org)...

NYC Firefighters say 9/11 WTC collapse seemed like controlled demolition (30 seconds):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801

aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 843 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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Old Steel

09-13-2009, 02:30 PM

If you refer to WTC1/2 , drop twenty stories on top of one and see what happens.

Smashed together, weight x velocity x distance.

Buried underneath, insulated by tons of sheet rock and debris and how deep ?

So it won't fall on JAFO "truthers" and get sued.

No melted cars, burnt by debris but no melted cars. Another thruthfull lie from the movement.

You must be talking about your bible; _Loose Change_ the third and final cut version 3.0 ...

(BTW .... "JAFO" means, Just Another Fvcking Observer)

Just to touch on the first point as you obviously have no answers.

The top 19 floors did not have 20 stories of steel and concrete dropped on them and they were reduced to dust as the building started it's freefall.

Check out the video. Classic textbook example of controlled demolition of a skyscraper. Well, as controlled as you can get with a building that large.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c

Apocalypto

09-14-2009, 12:48 AM

9/11 was an inside job...baaaak !

Yes, Pat. They will be back. They will. There will be back with another 9/11. They will return because that is all part of their plans. They will kill thousands, possibly millions of innocent people. Don't you worry. There will be another 9/11.

But you go on trusted them. Trust your government. That's fine. Just hope and pray that you, or someone you love, isn't part of their plans.

stormholloway

09-15-2009, 01:01 AM

Awwww... Pat got banned? Wha happeh...?

specsaregood

09-15-2009, 12:37 PM

Awoke

09-15-2009, 02:25 PM

LOL @ "You're all a bunch of drones! You're Drones. Especially the drones."

Abouthadit

09-15-2009, 03:40 PM

This 2.5 hr video does a good job of making the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9uB64ghcq8

honu5050

09-15-2009, 05:40 PM

breaka da egg gitta da omllett.= war /ocupation and thim LARGE BUCK$....yep justta likea dat mon.

PatColo

09-16-2009, 08:11 PM

The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Seven
Why NIST’s Final 9/11 Report is Unscientific and False (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15201)

by Prof. David Ray Griffin

http://globalresearch.ca/coverStoryPictures/15201.jpg

Global Research, September 14, 2009 (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15201)

aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 864 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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Noble

09-16-2009, 11:33 PM

Oh you twoofers crack me up. Belly laughs for all!!:36_3_16:

Bullion_Bob

09-17-2009, 12:42 AM

Horn

09-17-2009, 12:54 AM

Whoever made that comment about the force of 20 stories coming down onto one is an obvious dunce.

The maximum force 20 stories could possibly create at a MAXIMUM, is enough to collapse 20 stories beneath it.

The resulting rubble would be pushed out to the sides after the lose of initial energy.

If you know nothing of physics please don't make yourself more of an ass than you already are by posting such completely dimwitted nonsense.

Juristic Person

09-17-2009, 01:42 AM

Pat

i see you're back to using the big space then period posting method again

JP does that too doesn't he . . . . .

What is your point in posting this? Why even mention me at all? There have been thousands of people who have posted on this forum and many have similar writing styles.

In fact, I can think of a few banned members who sound just like you, "CG".

:yes:

Juristic Person

09-17-2009, 02:04 AM

Awwww... Pat got banned? Wha happeh...?

The same thing that happened to your sacrificial lanmb...

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Juristic Person

09-17-2009, 02:25 AM

Juristic Person

09-17-2009, 02:28 AM

reviver

09-17-2009, 05:53 AM

It only needed enough force to collapse the one floor below.

Repeat that process 100 times...adding more force with each floor collapsing below.

Interesting.

As well as laughable, considering you must be of adult age.

Perhaps if you would, will you tell us how the force to accomplish this was generated?

If it starts at the top, where does the force come from to send the top floor crashing down on to the floor below it?

It it starts at the bottom, why doesn't the whole building keel over to a possible weak side, instead of completely collapsing on it's footprint?

It must be some amazing force to pulverize concrete, and melt steel at a rate that would cause free fall speed destruction of both.

Please, give it up.

It's not a secret...

The only real question here is, whom your allegiance is to.

Even that, however, is pretty obvious.

PatColo

09-17-2009, 11:14 AM

Shill-A-Thon's (http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=209377) recent ploy of seeking to cast doubt on the signatories to AE911Truth.org's petition, 864 licensed architects & engineers, and 4721 other supporters at this writing, reminds me of one cool feature of their petition signatory list (http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php):

Click on a signatory's name, and a new "profile" page opens up giving greater detail on the person, including a short bio and "personal statement". These profiles are interesting to browse, a fact which Shill-A-Thon and I are surely in rare agreement on! So check them out! (http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php) :wavey:

aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 864 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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Juristic Person

09-17-2009, 05:54 PM

Interesting.

As well as laughable, considering you must be of adult age.

Perhaps if you would, will you tell us how the force to accomplish this was generated?

I didn't realize you have such a selective memory. Let me remind you that a fuel-loaded plane crashed into each tower, taking out several floors.

This is where the force came from. The other force was gravity.

If it starts at the top, where does the force come from to send the top floor crashing down on to the floor below it?

It it starts at the bottom, why doesn't the whole building keel over to a possible weak side, instead of completely collapsing on it's footprint?

Stop using twoofer soundbites. Try using your own noggin.

It must be some amazing force to pulverize concrete, and melt steel at a rate that would cause free fall speed destruction of both.

What do you mean by "pulverize" concrete? When a plane slams into a concrete building, do you think the concrete will just stay in tact?

Stop saying that the steel melted. There was no molten steel. You should heed your own words and.....

Please, give it up.

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Juristic Person

09-17-2009, 06:21 PM

Shill-A-Thon's (http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=209377) recent ploy of seeking to cast doubt on the signatories to AE911Truth.org's petition, 864 licensed architects & engineers, and 4721 other supporters at this writing, reminds me of one cool feature of their petition signatory list (http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php):

Click on a signatory's name, and a new "profile" page opens up giving greater detail on the person, including a short bio and "personal statement". These profiles are interesting to browse, a fact which Shill-A-Thon and I are surely in rare agreement on!

I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand...so let me spell it out for you one more time.

ANYONE can register on AE4Truth as a "licensed" engineer or architect (or "other").

These signatories mean absolutely nothing.

You know what....I think I'm going to go sign up myself - because I CAN.

Hey, looky here ---> I became a demolitions expert back in September of 2001 after I saw the Twin Towers fall straight down at faster than freefall speeds! I just knew that the FDNY used superthermite bought from the Mossad to explode the buildings. I have also studied many scientific documentaries like Loose Change - all 3 versions!! Plus the squibs prove that the plane impacts had nothing to do with the faster than free-fall collapse!

Silly twoofer, squibs are just fibs.

honu5050

09-17-2009, 06:39 PM

full caps my :moon:.... how bout full blown INSIDE JOB ! :yes:

reviver

09-17-2009, 07:13 PM

I didn't realize you have such a selective memory. Let me remind you that a fuel-loaded plane crashed into each tower, taking out several floors.

More ad hominem.

And jet fuel burns at what temperature?

And what temperature does it take to melt steel?

And does fire pulverize concrete?

This is where the force came from. The other force was gravity.

Absolute total baloney. That means lies, in case you are not familiar with the term.

Stop using twoofer soundbites. Try using your own noggin.

More distraction by ad hominem.

What do you mean by "pulverize" concrete? When a plan slams into a concrete building, do you think the concrete will just stay in tact?

Yes, all of it except what little of those huge buildings the jet actually impacted. About 3% perhaps.

Stop saying that the steel melted. There was no molten steel.

Do not ever tell me again what I can and can't say.

Another total lie as distraction. Must be because you can't refute it, only deny it, as you deny the reality of physics.

I'm trying to figure out why I even bother arguing with you. It is a total waste of my time, except it seems I find it difficult to allow total lies, and worse, libel, to permeate this forum. I know you are not stupid, despite your fallacious, injurious and slanderous arguments.

The only reason must be because you are beholden to the interests that threaten this great country of ours.

It is my sincere hope that you will pay for it grieviously one day...:ok:

honu5050

09-17-2009, 07:50 PM

we have been paying and are still paying for it. and who wants ta hear lies about b.s. box cutters jet fuel and the like ? INSIDE JOB. see dat simple. :sleep:

Malus

09-18-2009, 12:44 AM

I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand...so let me spell it out for you one more time.

ANYONE can register on AE4Truth as a "licensed" engineer or architect (or "other").

These signatories mean absolutely nothing.

You know what....I think I'm going to go sign up myself - because I CAN.

Hey, looky here ---> I became a demolitions expert back in September of 2001 after I saw the Twin Towers fall straight down at faster than freefall speeds! I just knew that the FDNY used superthermite bought from the Mossad to explode the buildings. I have also studied many scientific documentaries like Loose Change - all 3 versions!! Plus the squibs prove that the plane impacts had nothing to do with the faster than free-fall collapse!
Silly twoofer, squibs are just fibs.

It's a wonderfully ironic day when you become the conspiracy nut.....:36_1_25:

stormholloway

09-18-2009, 01:04 AM

I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand...so let me spell it out for you one more time.

ANYONE can register on AE4Truth as a "licensed" engineer or architect (or "other").

These signatories mean absolutely nothing.

You know what....I think I'm going to go sign up myself - because I CAN.

Hey, looky here ---> I became a demolitions expert back in September of 2001 after I saw the Twin Towers fall straight down at faster than freefall speeds! I just knew that the FDNY used superthermite bought from the Mossad to explode the buildings. I have also studied many scientific documentaries like Loose Change - all 3 versions!! Plus the squibs prove that the plane impacts had nothing to do with the faster than free-fall collapse!

Silly twoofer, squibs are just fibs.

Let's see it then. Where is your name on the petition. I want to see a name you specified and your fake credentials as either an engineer or an architect.

Bullion_Bob

09-18-2009, 04:40 AM

As soon as you see someone type the words "twoofer" you know exactly what you're dealing with.

Bullion_Bob

09-18-2009, 05:58 AM

Anyone know how the lobbies got blown out, and the people in the basement got their skin blown off, broken legs, faces, killed, etc before the planes hit?

And what's up with Barry Jennings re: explosions and dead bodies in the lobby of 7?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DuSeuxjiJQ

And apparently this now?!?

from (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15201)

All very strange indeed. :confused_m:

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Reports from Hess and Jennings from Inside WTC 7: Besides ignoring these and other reports of explosions made by people outside Building 7, NIST distorted the testimony of two highly credible men who were inside: Michael Hess, who was New York City’s corporation counsel, and Barry Jennings, the deputy director of the Emergency Services Department of the New York City Housing Authority.

Immediately after the North Tower was struck that morning, both men followed the instruction that, whenever there was an emergency, they were to meet Major Giuliani at his Emergency Management Center on the 23rd floor of Building 7. The North Tower was struck at 8:46, so they would have arrived at about 9:00. They found, however, that everyone had left. Calling to find out what they should do, Jennings was told to get out of the building immediately. So, finding that the elevator would not work (the electricity had evidently been knocked out at 9:03 by the airplane strike on the South Tower), they started running down the stairs. But when they got to the 6th floor, there was a huge explosion, which blew the landing out from under them and blocked their path. They went back up to the 8th floor, broke a window, and signaled for help.

Firemen came to rescue them, Jennings said, but then ran away. Coming back after a while, the firemen again started to rescue them, but then ran away again. They had to run away the first time, Jennings explained, because of the collapse of the South Tower, which occurred at 9:59, and the second time because of the North Tower collapse, which occurred at 10:28. On that basis, Jennings told Dylan Avery in an interview in 2007, he knew that, when that big explosion occurred, “both buildings were still standing.” Finally, when the firemen returned after the second tower collapsed, Hess and Jennings were rescued.

This must have been sometime between 11:00 and 11:30, because at 11:57, Hess gave an on-the-street interview several blocks away. Jennings also gave an on-the-street interview. Both men reported that they had been trapped for some time – Hess specified “about an hour and a half.”

This story obviously was very threatening to NIST. It was going to claim that, when Building 7 came down at 5:21 that afternoon, it did so solely because of fires. There were no explosives to help things along.

But here were two city officials reporting that a big explosion had gone off pretty early in the morning, evidently before 9:30. In his interview for Dylan Avery, moreover, Jennings said that the big explosion that trapped them was simply the first of many. He also said that when the firefighter took them down to the lobby, he saw that it had been totally destroyed – it was, he said, “total ruins, total ruins.” Jennings also that, when he and the firefighter were walking through this lobby, they were “stepping over people.” [43]

Jennings’s testimony contradicted the official story, according to which there were no explosions in WTC 7 and no one was killed in this building. What would NIST do?

NIST’s Treatment of the Hess-Jennings Testimony: NIST simply ignored Jennings’ report about the lobby and, with regard to the time that Hess and Jennings got trapped, followed the line that had taken by Rudy Giuliani in a 2002 book, according to which the event that Hess and Jennings took to be an explosion within WTC 7 was simply the impact of debris from the collapse of the North Tower.

But that collapse did not occur until 10:28, whereas the event described by Hess and Jennings had occurred at least an hour earlier.

Also, Jennings said that the South Tower as well as the North Tower was still standing when the event he called an explosion occurred, and that is surely what he told NIST when it interviewed him (as well as Hess) in the Spring of 2004.

Another problem was that Hess had said that they had been trapped for “about an hour and a half.” If the event that trapped them did not happen until almost 10:30, as NIST claims, then they would not have been rescued before noon. And sure enough, in an Interim Report on WTC 7 put out by NIST in 2004, it claimed that Hess and Jennings had been rescued “[a]t 12:10 to 12:15 PM.” But that is clearly false, given the fact that Hess was being interviewed several blocks away before noon. [44]

NIST would, of course, deny that it had distorted Jennings’ testimony. But when we sent a Freedom of Information Act request to NIST to obtain a copy of the Hess and Jennings interviews, NIST declined on the basis of a provision allowing for exemption from FOIA disclosure if the information is “not directly related to the building failure.” [45] NIST thereby suggested that a report of a massive explosion within the building would be irrelevant to determining the cause of its failure. Using such an obviously phony reason seemed to be NIST’s way of saying: There’s no way we’re going to release those interviews.