What brought the towers down???

[PatColo]

Silly twoofer, squibs are just fibs.
I'm salaried plus performance based bonus. Why do you care?
:ok:


aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 870 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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[PatColo]

Cover story of "Santa Barbara Independent":


http://media.independent.com/img/cover/cover_big.jpg

Twin Towers, Twin Myths? (http://www.independent.com/news/2009/sep/17/twin-towers-twin-myths/)

Engineers and Architects Argue About What Made the World Trade Center Fall
Thursday, September 17, 2009
By Jay Levin and Tom McKenzie

One of the crucial technical disputes in American history, perhaps second only to global warming, is underway. It pits hundreds of government technicians who say the World Trade Center buildings were brought down by airplane impact against hundreds of professional architects and building engineers who insist that the Twin Towers could never have collapsed solely due to the planes and are calling for a new independent investigation. It is a fight that is not going away and is likely to get louder as more building trade professionals sign on to one side or the other.
... more (http://www.independent.com/news/2009/sep/17/twin-towers-twin-myths/)

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Do any of these "hundreds of government technicians" have identities? :dontknow:

The 870 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud have names, license numbers, bios and more specifically identifying information, publicly viewable on their petition page (http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php). :RockOn:
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[Noble]

As soon as you see someone type the words "twoofer" you know exactly what you're dealing with.

As soon as you see a link to a 9/11 CT video you know its going to be laughable. :111: :36_1_25: :111: :36_1_25:

Wonder what they do with the money they raise for making those videos, hmmm. It sure doesn't go into producing any evidence in court. Eight years and counting. Chirp.. Chirp.

[PatColo]

It sure doesn't go into producing any evidence in court. Eight years and counting. Chirp.. Chirp.

That's coz nothing makes it past

Judge Alvin "9/11 FIXER" Hellerstein
http://static.open.salon.com/files/fdny_news_judge_alvin_hellerstein1234558077.jpg
Chirp.. Chirp. (http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=Hellerstein+site%3Awtcdemolition.com)


aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 874 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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[specsaregood]

ANYONE can register on AE4Truth as a "licensed" engineer or architect (or "other").
These signatories mean absolutely nothing.
You know what....I think I'm going to go sign up myself - because I CAN.

Did you get listed?
Please link us if so.
If not, I think you owe it to GIM to explain how you failed at getting listed as a licensed engineer even though you claim it is so easy that anybody can do it.

Thanks in advance.

[AGRO]

I cannot believe this thread has some of the RIDICULOUS THINGS that are posted in it.

please see my best sig line by TOmD.

And If you want to ARGUE or discuss, BRING IT ON.

I am NOT getting banned again for someone else's stupidity.

[fromserpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSvOyUHvDgw&feature=player_embedded#t=245

[Malus]

I cannot believe this thread has some of the RIDICULOUS THINGS that are posted in it.

please see my best sig line by TOmD.

And If you want to ARGUE or discuss, BRING IT ON.

I am NOT getting banned again for someone else's stupidity.

My understanding is:
1) The "Manhattan" Project was worked on by thousands of people and no one had a clue what was going on. That was a good secret.
2) Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag to enter the Vietnam war (of course they always blame the intelligence gatherers as the culprits, sorta like Iraq.) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4492190.stm
3) Do we really need to study bullet ballistics about Kennedy?
4) WMD in Iraq. What more proof do you need.
What hard evidence do you want. Justifiable questions should warrant a thorough investigation. Unfortunately, when one side has all the power/money/media on they're side, it makes the evidence gathering a little harder. Since the law of "national security" makes so much of that evidence unattainable. At that point common sense kicks in to the obvious. You need a fair playing field to find the answers and we definitely are not in that position.
5) As for the towers, there seems to be a whole lot of professionals using not just common sense, but, scientific procedure and deduction, to dispute "government experts". Its a point of who you believe. When left with that quandary, I use common sense.

If you were banned, it wasn't someone else's stupidity. Think about it......

[pat pat]

I cannot believe this thread has some of the RIDICULOUS THINGS that are posted in it.

please see my best sig line by TOmD.

And If you want to ARGUE or discuss, BRING IT ON.




I know from personal experience, waking up military families is one of the hardest things to do, they wave their flag, sing the anthem, etc

you see, if you follow that line of thought, and we have no real enemy (Osama is a ghost), than really the military are just brainwashed mercenaries

in Iraq for a zionist depopulation program, and in afghanistan to get the drugs flowing

(nothing personal for the fine military folks/families here at GIM)

just offering a little insight and honesty

Jim Willie is about the only one who talks about that stuff.

so that might explain some of the folks on this board, and their "limited view" on the science and reality of the situation


no steel frame building has ever collapsed from Fire (in the history of the earth), and on that day 3 of them did, at freefall speed, and into their own footprints.

really, the science is all over this, peer reviewed paper, etc

[fromserpo]

As soon as you see someone type the words "twoofer" you know exactly what you're dealing with.

Hey there bullion bob ,you dont seem to look too well, sure you havnt caught the piggy virus:36_1_25:

[Bullion_Bob]

As soon as you see a link to a 9/11 CT video you know its going to be laughable. :111: :36_1_25: :111: :36_1_25:

Wonder what they do with the money they raise for making those videos, hmmm. It sure doesn't go into producing any evidence in court. Eight years and counting. Chirp.. Chirp.

How many years for Iran Contra and Kennedy?

Actually, you can't be any more sure than anyone else, if you are, where exactly are you getting it from?...and is the scale of that leading to subjective or objective?

In a nutshell it's all irrelevant anyways, certain areas of the world breed too much, so we have to kill them down so we can take/control their stuff, and keep them in line. War is the vehicle, deception is driving...hop in and go for the ride. The bitch is...both sides lose as the takers get greedy, and scrape from both sides of the table. enter the patriot acts...bailouts...etc...

[slugbucket]

We will never know the answer until we find out who dropped a dookie in the urinal!

[11S11ver]

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/110.html

interesting.

[bulloncoins]

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/110.html

interesting.

Thanks for posting this. I remember seeing these things on my TV on 9/11.
After 8 years going by and having been told by so many people that they never happened, or the latest "it was transformers blowing" or "rivets poping out" it is good to have this to jar my memory back to reality.

I can't help but notice that after 2 hours, the usual debunkers have not posted...

Seems that the offical explination of what happened that day is getting weaker by the minute...On one hand I am glad to see that, on the other it makes me worried what the people who did this have in mind as they are being pushed further into the corner every day by the truth coming to light.

[Juristic Person]

the people who did this...

What people "did this"? Who "did" 9/11? Got any names?



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[pat pat]

What people "did this"? Who "did" 9/11? Got any names?



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http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

[Canadian-guerilla]

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/haaretzCom.gif

Odigo says workers were warned of attack
26/09/2001

By Yuval Dror

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744


NOTHING about denying the message was sent or recieved

a message sent 2 hours before the first tower was hit ?

how long were the planes in the air ?

WHY WOULD THE SCARY MOOZLIMS WARN SOMEONE AT ODIGO ?

supposedly, the FBI had this information before the attacks

nothing suspicious there . . . .

[Juristic Person]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/haaretzCom.gif

Odigo says workers were warned of attack
26/09/2001

By Yuval Dror

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744


NOTHING about denying the message was sent or recieved

a message sent 2 hours before the first tower was hit ?

how long were the planes in the air ?

WHY WOULD THE SCARY MOOZLIMS WARN SOMEONE AT ODIGO ?

supposedly, the FBI had this information before the attacks

nothing suspicious there . . . .

Don't be a fool. The Odigo message was sent to two people in Israel, not New York, and made NO MENTION of the Twin Towers.

It was very vague. Here's what the message said:

“America will pay for its crimes, and sooner than anyone believes”.


I really hope this isn't your "smoking gun".



:bear_rolleyes:

[Juristic Person]

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367


You believe Israel carried out the 9/11 attacks?

[Canadian-guerilla]

Don't be a fool. The Odigo message was sent to two people in Israel, not New York, and made NO MENTION of the Twin Towers.

Odigo did have an office in NY ( 4 blocks away )
can you prove this message was sent to Israel and not NY ?

It was very vague. Here's what the message said:

“America will pay for its crimes, and sooner than anyone believes”.

I really hope this isn't your "smoking gun".



:bear_rolleyes:


is this the exact message wording, you have a link for this ?

[Juristic Person]

Odigo did have an office in NY ( 4 blocks away )
can you prove this message was sent to Israel and not NY ?

Yes.

"Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two hours prior to the first attack."

http://amenusa.org/prior.htm

[bulloncoins]

Yes.

"Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two hours prior to the first attack."

http://amenusa.org/prior.htm

Any site someone you disagree with is BS because they sell things, unlike your site...Oh wait...I can buy t-shirts and baby braclets there....

Thanks for the laugh. I needed a good one about now.

[Malus]

What people "did this"? Who "did" 9/11? Got any names?.

Thats what we're trying to find out. Its all about the "full" truth, not these half baked incomplete truths that are constantly being shoved down our throats by media/government. If you think Muslims did it, then leave and be happy with the knowledge that all is well, but, let the rest of us, whom have questions, pursue the answers in whatever fashion we chose without the constant badgering from "fanatics" like you and Pat that are convinced otherwise. You're starting to be a real bore.....:thumpdown.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Yes.

"Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two hours prior to the first attack."

http://amenusa.org/prior.htm


your link is useless


maybe another useless link for the message wording ?

[11S11ver]

What people "did this"? Who "did" 9/11? Got any names?



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Why do you ignore my interesting video? There are over a dozen people interviewed and captured candidly, including live broadcasts, all claiming secondary explosions. Firefighters (who are now under gag order) claiming bombs in the buildings. Yet, you cannot make a comment?

All you can muster are patronizing quesions, "What people 'did this'?" "Who 'did' 9/11?"

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT DICK.



. <- check it out i put a period way down here how cool am i.

[Bullion_Bob]

The big problem with this whole thing is that you can't get rid of energy. It can't be destroyed. It's an impossibility, and we know this to be undeniable, and proven fact.

Building 7 fell precisely at free fall speed for the first few seconds/few hundred feet.

So, a few hundred foot section of the building essentially disappeared into thin air (i.e. negated from it's purpose altogether, and everywhere, and at the same time.) My eyes tell me sections of buildings don't disappear into thin air.

The crazy part is NIST admits it, and has had to change their story around it since it was pointed out.

Quite the investigation.

[bulloncoins]

Why do you ignore my interesting video? There are over a dozen people interviewed and captured candidly, including live broadcasts, all claiming secondary explosions. Firefighters (who are now under gag order) claiming bombs in the buildings. Yet, you cannot make a comment?

All you can muster are patronizing quesions, "What people 'did this'?" "Who 'did' 9/11?"

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT [xxxx]



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You expect more from him by now? "Twelvemonkey person" and
"fightclub123" have got to be identicle twins. (or the same person) I would just love to find out who they are working for or what their true motivation is. If it were not for their "911 twoofer" comments, they would have nothing to bring to GIM...

When they can not debate the facts they always resort to comments like the one he made. It is their MO and is just plain sad and tired.

The good thing is, I don't think many here take them serious anymore.

[stormholloway]

What people "did this"? Who "did" 9/11? Got any names?

Dick Cheney is one name that comes to mind. We have eyewitness testimony of his stand down commands.

[PatColo]

Near the end of this video, the kid claims he was the "debunking director of the JREF forum" (this is the 911-bedunker-shill BS-meme clearinghouse; the HaloMatic copy/pastes much of his "original thought" from JREF).

Former Debunking Director of JREF Schooled by Richard Gage (http://911blogger.com/node/21453)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFiGfW6aGY


aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 880 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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[Juristic Person]

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT DICK.


Way to take the high road...


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