View Full Version : What brought the towers down???
PatColo
10-11-2009, 11:23 AM
Lies, lies, and more lies...
http://www.improbablecollapse.com/screens2/silverstein.jpghttp://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/funny%20report.jpg
Malus
10-12-2009, 02:14 AM
Someday the twoofers will decide specious allegations are not helpful to anyone. Until then, its fund raising DVD's, website dontations, and YouTube video links. The 2010 Congressional elections will likely be their undoing.
Its a 'no holds barred' movement for the twoofers. Lies, lies, and more lies...
Plausible, but wrong? How is it that we are wrong for asking simple questions? Are questions wrong? As for the money, hell, the put options alone on United and American easily beat any truther profit. Not to mention the money fleeced by Silverstein on the towers or the war the military industrial complex is making right now. Lies, hell, we just want answers, if not, we common sense, hard working, honest people will figure it out ourselves. We don't need the government experts, we've got real experts from around the world helping us. You see, they don't believe bullshit either.
people who have subscribed to a theory that is rejected by more than 99% of their peers.
I guess I didn't see the petition that totally embraces the govt story where everyone else signed. This is the kind of weak argument we have come to expect from the govt sponsors.
As to this
the twoofers will decide specious allegations are not helpful to anyone
Seems to me that this is name calling for which I got banned for 30 days. I find it insulting that this term is allowed to be used and yet I got banned for calling someone a "retard" because they didn't read. Furthermore I have been on this board since it's inception and that is the first time I ever got banned, without warning no less.
And Juristic Person, I am a PE in the state of Texas and I wrote a paper that refuted the govt collapse theory and I have yet to sign the petition. I did however go to the signup page and it's clear they will contact you personally if you are licensed because you must provide a phone number and address. Have you been able to sign up as a licensed engineer yet?
Juristic Person
10-12-2009, 02:22 PM
Plausible, but wrong? How is it that we are wrong for asking simple questions? Are questions wrong?
Because your "simple questions" have already been answered. Yet you keep asking....
As for the money, hell, the put options alone on United and American easily beat any truther profit.
Prime example. Just as much money was lost and the party that made the profitable trades also made some unprofitable decsions. This was thoroughly investigated - yet "truthers" CONTINUE TO IGNORE THE FACTS - and keep asking their "simple questions".
Not to mention the money fleeced by Silverstein on the towers or the war the military industrial complex is making right now. Lies, hell, we just want answers, if not, we common sense, hard working, honest people will figure it out ourselves. We don't need the government experts, we've got real experts from around the world helping us.
It's been 8 years and you still don't have a clue. How much more time is it going to take for you "experts" to figure it all out?
You see, they don't believe you're bullshit either.
Who doesn't believe I am bullshit?
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Malus
10-13-2009, 03:51 AM
Because your "simple questions" have already been answered. Yet you keep asking....
Show me a plane hitting the Pentagon? Simple, then show us.
Prime example. Just as much money was lost and the party that made the profitable trades also made some unprofitable decsions. This was thoroughly investigated - yet "truthers" CONTINUE TO IGNORE THE FACTS - and keep asking their "simple questions".
The amount of options was unprecedented. I follow the markets, who are you trying to BS. Obviously, us, I would guess.
It's been 8 years and you still don't have a clue. How much more time is it going to take for you "experts" to figure it all out?
Details about the Gulf of Tonkin, JFK, Pearl Harbour and remember those WMD in Iraq took years and in most cases, decades. You're side has great liars.
Who doesn't believe I am bullshit?
:confused_ma:
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Give if up JP. You diminish you're credibility with every posting. Time to lurk somewheres else.
Malus
10-13-2009, 03:52 AM
Demolitions brought the towers down. Next.
DMac00
10-13-2009, 10:33 AM
Who doesn't believe I am bullshit?
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That's a mouthful right there. No additional comment needed.
Canadian-guerilla
10-13-2009, 11:38 AM
It's been 8 years and you still don't have a clue.
How much more time is it going to take for you "experts" to figure it all out?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/mj247/internettruth.jpg
How absolute Orwellian the word "truth" has become .
-p
Malus
10-15-2009, 12:36 AM
How absolute Orwellian the word "truth" has become .
-p
Depends on who's saying it.......
PatColo
10-15-2009, 01:14 AM
Depends on who's saying it.......
How about from the winner of the nobel peace prize?? :dontknow:
Obama's speech in Egypt warns not to challenge official 9/11 story (http://911blogger.com/node/20284)
President Obama's speech in Egypt echoes Bush's speech to the UN, in its warning not to challenge the 9/11 story.
Obama's remarks (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/04/egypt.obama.speech/):
"But let us be clear: Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with," he said.
Bush's remarks (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/10/ret.bush.un.transcript/index.html):
"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror."
Meanwhile, the banksters' modern day Holocaust of authentic Semites, is going swimmingly.
<a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq" _fcksavedurl="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq"><img src="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/images/iraqdeaths.gif" _fcksavedurl="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/images/iraqdeaths.gif" alt='Iraq Deaths Estimator' border='0' /></a>
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/funny report.jpg
Aw jeez looky there, 929 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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Depends on who's saying it.......
... or their special version of their "truth".
The very word is subjective, this explain its flagorant use within the 911 controlled demolition movement.
:biggrin:
Juristic Person
10-15-2009, 05:54 PM
Demolitions brought the towers down. Next.
Demolitions - set off by silent explosives that managed to start the collapse of the buildings before actually detonating.
You've clearly had enough kool-aid...
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Malus
10-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Demolitions - set off by silent explosives that managed to start the collapse of the buildings before actually detonating.
You've clearly had enough kool-aid...
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You're hilarious........:111: Thanks for the laugh.
911 was an inside job:ok:
Malus
10-15-2009, 08:40 PM
... or their special version of their "truth".
The very word is subjective, this explain its flagorant use within the 911 controlled demolition movement.
:biggrin:
Weren't you banned? When did they let you out?
Weren't you banned? When did they let you out?
It was an outside job ... :wink:
-p
Juristic Person
10-16-2009, 12:36 AM
It was an outside job ... :wink:
-p
Right over his head...
Juristic Person
10-16-2009, 12:40 AM
You're hilarious........:111: Thanks for the laugh.
That's what I thought....
When in doubt, laugh it out.
Good job, Malus. You hit the nail right on the head!
11S11ver
10-16-2009, 12:54 AM
Demolitions - set off by silent explosives that managed to start the collapse of the buildings before actually detonating.
You've clearly had enough kool-aid...
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Clearly you're biased.
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Canadian-guerilla
10-17-2009, 10:39 AM
al-CIAduh confesses
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Canadian-guerilla demonstrates his Ideological Teamism ...
:biggrin:
Malus
10-17-2009, 01:14 PM
Canadian-guerilla demonstrates his Ideological Teamism ...
:biggrin:
"Teamism", thats almost as good as "twoofers". If you want people to listen to you're diatribe, then you have to use words that are real. You don't make sense on the best of days, let alone, adding make believe words to the conversation. Look up "shill", its a real word.
Malus joins the "team" for another attempt at field goal.
:biggrin:
Juristic Person
10-17-2009, 03:44 PM
Clearly you're biased.
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HAHAHAHA!!!!
That was great! As soon as I heard the music, I immediately paused it to grab some popcorn. Wasn't that the same music as in the Temple of Doom? :rofl:
Look...I'm going to give you a serious reply to that video you posted.
What is always the most truthful is the immediate response of a person who is witness to an event. That doesn't mean that what they have seen is what actually has happened - it just means it's what they perceived to have happened. The fact that their might have been explosive devices planted inside the building prior to the planes impact is not impossible. It had been done before with a truck bomb, it's possible it could have been done again. The fact that someone said they believe to have heard an explosion before the planes impact makes that makes the plausability of there being a bomb even more believeable.
However, the reports of "explosions" AFTER impact could be from several other things; most likely being natural gas and electrical. I've seen most of this footage before in other docs and what they don't tell you here in this video is that when the firemen told everyone to clear because there was a bomb - it was only a suspected bomb - and later found to be not so. One person who was in this video was a guy who worked for the city and was screaming that a bomb went off containing anthrax. I remember him saying this on TV that day - and that again was refuted, and not true. That being said, the person who reported the explosions prior to imapct is the most believeable.
When you're in court on any level of a case and you bring in a witness to testify on your behalf, and he/she basically say word for word the same testimony as you, the credibility of the witness is completely dismissed by the judge. Again, no two people see exactly the same thing. What the judge looks for are similarities - threads of the same story but not exactly the same thing. In this video, I believe that people who reported bombs, believed that they heard bombs. I don't believe they had a vested interest in telling anything other than the truth. But just because they believe they heard "bombs" (when really they heard explosions), it doesn't make it a fact that everything they believe is actually accurate.
In any demolition, explosives are detonated right before the collapse of the building. In the case of the collapsing towers, these explosions are heard by people way before the buildings came down. If you watch AND LISTEN TO the collpase of both towers, you don't hear explosions or see flash charges as the building is coming down, or immediately prior to it, as you would in any controlled demolition of a building. These sounds are heard and reported periodically and way prior to the actually collapse of the building - leading credence to the fact that these sounds were caused by other things, not actual bombs. Not even to mention that fact that we don't have any evidence of how these suspected bombs could have been detonated, what type of bombs they were, where they were placed and how many would have been needed to take down a single tower as massive as towers 1&2...
So I believe the witness claims of hearing explosions and I believe in the chaos and confusion of the moment that day, they believed the source of those explosions to be bombs. But the evidence we have tells us otherwise. The building collapses looked and heard nothing like a controlled demolition.
In addition, I don't get the conspiracy angle of the video. Even if there was a bomb, or bombs, why is the immediate conclusion that it was the government?
-jp
PatColo
10-17-2009, 04:40 PM
yada yada no evidence of WTC CD yada yada scary moozlems did 911 yada yada
:sleep:
http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg
aww jeez looky there, every time Shill-A-Thon spews, that number gets bigger, 939 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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Juristic Person
10-17-2009, 05:55 PM
:sleep:
aww jeez looky there, every time Shill-A-Thon spews, that number gets bigger, 939 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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More :spam4:
Nice contribution Patcolo. :sarc:
Juristic Person
10-17-2009, 05:57 PM
Clearly you're biased.
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HAHAHAHA!!!!
That was great! As soon as I heard the music, I immediately paused it to grab some popcorn. Wasn't that the same music as in the Temple of Doom? :rofl:
Look...I'm going to give you a serious reply to that video you posted.
What is always the most truthful is the immediate response of a person who is witness to an event. That doesn't mean that what they have seen is what actually has happened - it just means it's what they perceived to have happened. The fact that their might have been explosive devices planted inside the building prior to the planes impact is not impossible. It had been done before with a truck bomb, it's possible it could have been done again. The fact that someone said they believe to have heard an explosion before the planes impact makes that makes the plausability of there being a bomb even more believeable.
However, the reports of "explosions" AFTER impact could be from several other things; most likely being natural gas and electrical. I've seen most of this footage before in other docs and what they don't tell you here in this video is that when the firemen told everyone to clear because there was a bomb - it was only a suspected bomb - and later found to be not so. One person who was in this video was a guy who worked for the city and was screaming that a bomb went off containing anthrax. I remember him saying this on TV that day - and that again was refuted, and not true. That being said, the person who reported the explosions prior to imapct is the most believeable.
When you're in court on any level of a case and you bring in a witness to testify on your behalf, and he/she basically say word for word the same testimony as you, the credibility of the witness is completely dismissed by the judge. Again, no two people see exactly the same thing. What the judge looks for are similarities - threads of the same story but not exactly the same thing. In this video, I believe that people who reported bombs, believed that they heard bombs. I don't believe they had a vested interest in telling anything other than the truth. But just because they believe they heard "bombs" (when really they heard explosions), it doesn't make it a fact that everything they believe is actually accurate.
In any demolition, explosives are detonated right before the collapse of the building. In the case of the collapsing towers, these explosions are heard by people way before the buildings came down. If you watch AND LISTEN TO the collpase of both towers, you don't hear explosions or see flash charges as the building is coming down, or immediately prior to it, as you would in any controlled demolition of a building. These sounds are heard and reported periodically and way prior to the actually collapse of the building - leading credence to the fact that these sounds were caused by other things, not actual bombs. Not even to mention that fact that we don't have any evidence of how these suspected bombs could have been detonated, what type of bombs they were, where they were placed and how many would have been needed to take down a single tower as massive as towers 1&2...
So I believe the witness claims of hearing explosions and I believe in the chaos and confusion of the moment that day, they believed the source of those explosions to be bombs. But the evidence we have tells us otherwise. The building collapses looked and heard nothing like a controlled demolition.
In addition, I don't get the conspiracy angle of the video. Even if there was a bomb, or bombs, why is the immediate conclusion that it was the government?
-jp
PatColo
10-17-2009, 07:09 PM
aww jeez, see what I mean? :dontknow: 940 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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aww jeez, see what I mean? :dontknow: 940 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
Well, no, there is no claim of fraud.
Try reading your own petition.
-p
Juristic Person
10-17-2009, 07:32 PM
aww jeez, see what I mean? :dontknow: 940 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 911 CT a fraud! :RockOn:
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Your silence is your acquiescence...
You expose yourself more and more with each :spam4: post.
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