What brought the towers down???

[runcible]

As far as free fall speed look here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4322650841860671469


Why does that video seem to show the side that collapse last, and started timing the fall from when that side collapsed? Why didn't it count from when the penthouse collapse, 30 seconds before?

Of course, this is from the FEMA report (and several news stories).

Here's a question for you: WTC7 is farther away from the WTC than WTC6 (which was also abandoned during 9/11 due to heavy damage and was later pulled down). Why blow up WTC7 and allow WTC6 to stand? Seems kinda silly, at least to me. I'm not seeing why WTC7 would have been targetted to collapse at all.

Speaking of which, assuming that 9/11 is a part of a massive gov't conspiracy, why demolish any of the WTC towers? Two planes flying into the twin towers should provide a big enough excuse to wage war. The risk of the plot being "blown open" (no pun intended) on live TV by a noted news personality seems much too great for any benefits gained.

Just my $.02

[bigjon]

I agree, no alleged CIA/NSA pawn will commit suicide in a plane. That's why they have to concoct even less likely theories about remote controlled planes.

Think about it, the planes would either:

1. have to be detoured to fit remote control devices AND
2. make sure it is secure from passengers once up in the air OR
3. kill/silence all evacuated passengers OR
4. fit remote control devices before flight under noses of every airline staff AND
5. somehow kill/disable crew so as to not override remote control OR
6. send up a decoy passenger-less plane mimicing real flights AND
7. somehow make all those real passengers disappear OR
8. make them all up and create false relatives/friends OR
9. CIA hypnotises all the crew to fly the planes into buildings AND
10. somehow devise a way to keep the crew and passangers out AND
11. errrmm ... I give up before my brain stews!

This just gets more complicated the more you try to shoehorn conspiracy into it.

yep, it is obvious that it is too complicated IF you are trying to justify the official CONspiracy theory.

For those of us who can see who benefitted like the gov agencies and Israel, it is easy to see the how and the why.

[Halophyte]

All cons rely on political inuendo to support the lack of logic.

If we spent a fraction of this time exposing the Bankster/IRS cartel, I think we'd all be better off.

[Large Sarge]

All cons rely on political inuendo to support the lack of logic.

If we spent a fraction of this time exposing the Bankster/IRS cartel, I think we'd all be better off.

The banksters are behind 9/11 directly or indirectly, fomenting war.

watch this film, my advice skip forward about 30 minutes, until they get to "KROLL ASSOCIATES"

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=38062

[Halophyte]

Oh hell yes LS, the corpgov's been creating monsters for years, pitting one bannana republic tyrant against another, eventually they all come back to haunt us. Chickens come home to roost. It's our 'bad neighbor' policy.

That's why the petrol dollar's 'world reserve' status is so screwed ...

Bank on precious metals, our pissed off neighbors do.

[slvrbugjim]

Why does that video seem to show the side that collapse last, and started timing the fall from when that side collapsed? Why didn't it count from when the penthouse collapse, 30 seconds before?

Of course, this is from the FEMA report (and several news stories).

Here's a question for you: WTC7 is farther away from the WTC than WTC6 (which was also abandoned during 9/11 due to heavy damage and was later pulled down). Why blow up WTC7 and allow WTC6 to stand? Seems kinda silly, at least to me. I'm not seeing why WTC7 would have been targetted to collapse at all.

Speaking of which, assuming that 9/11 is a part of a massive gov't conspiracy, why demolish any of the WTC towers? Two planes flying into the twin towers should provide a big enough excuse to wage war. The risk of the plot being "blown open" (no pun intended) on live TV by a noted news personality seems much too great for any benefits gained.

Just my $.02

I am not sure what you are speaking about 30 seconds before, the penthouse collapsing first is courious though.

Wide spread fires?? Nope the fires were on only one side and one corner of this 47 story building, your information is not correct. heavy damage, not at all.

you are asking why would they do this or that, I do not really concern myself with conjecture as it is not provable, a 47 story building falling perfectly into its own footprint in 4.5 seconds with molten pools of steel that last for months, that is obvious to most of us it was a CD.

On the conjecture, building 7 was the control bunker for Guiliani and the operation. Sec building that was investigating Enron, etc, pick your theory.

Why blow up the buildings?? Because the entire opperation was a set up, a psy op, to create fear. The idea was to create an emotional response so that everyone would act accordingly, give up all your freedoms, expand the money supply, attack countries to control their resources.

The plot being blown open is not a concern as most Americans are complete sheeple and asleep. You obviously have done vertually no research on the subject, or you would be somewhat more informed about many aspects that do not at all add up. I started out by looking at the obvious lies and evidence and not worrying about the why or "they would not do that" just look at the evidence and take it from there.

For this to work, it would not take that many persons if you consider that there were 19 different wargames and simulations going on that day, including flying planes into the world trade center and the Pentagon. They even had an exercise going on for first responders in of all places, Shanksville PA. So these persons were following orders, how difficult would it be for a faked blip in the radar screen on the exercise to be a real one or vice versa.

[Large Sarge]

Oh hell yes LS, the corpgov's been creating monsters for years, pitting one bannana republic tyrant against another, eventually they all come back to haunt us. Chickens come home to roost. It's our 'bad neighbor' policy.

That's why the petrol dollar's 'world reserve' status is so screwed ...

Bank on precious metals, our pissed off neighbors do.

I really recommend the film, I had no idea that the drugs, drug money laundering, and other aspects were such a big part of 9/11

whole new perspective on that crime.

(please excuse the poor format of the film, must be a low budget)

info is GREAT, format is lacking

[slvrbugjim]

All cons rely on political inuendo to support the lack of logic.

If we spent a fraction of this time exposing the Bankster/IRS cartel, I think we'd all be better off.
The bankers are behing 911, the creation of WWI and WWII, Prescott Bush helped finance the Nazis, creating an enemy to start a war. The Banksters/Irs are a big problem, BUT now these MF**ckers are killing us, they are getting more and more arrogant and more bold by the month. JFK wanted to create dollars that were not FED dollars, he paid the price for that and as Eisenhower warned us, to beware of these crimminals, they have been in charge ever since. Difference is we have a secret weapon, the internet. The exchange of information and ideas can be very efficient and very fast.

If you are able to wake up about the banksters, you should be able to see the forest for the trees, I would hope. Then again, it is easier and more comfortable to think that your government never lies and is here to help you and would never hurt you in any way?? Sorry I for one do not buy that one. 911 was an inside job, pure and simple, and I purchase PMs, storable food, survival gear to protect my family. If you are interested in protection your family, you should know the facts, do your own research. Do not at your own peril.

[runcible]

Why is it that any evidence I've seen that suggest more widespread fires is wrong?

[Indy]

Ah, but one of them did. I clearly remember that the top of one of the two towers tilted precariously to one side as the collapse began. But, in defiance of the laws of conservation of momentum, inexplicably the rotation stopped and it too exploded into dust and followed the building down into its own footprint. Something pulversized that building *before* it had the opportunity to complete its sideways fall.

It is much easier to sell a lie, than to swallow the truth. Yep we are all doomed. Enslaved by our own delusions.

[Halophyte]

If you are able to wake up about the banksters, you should be able to see the forest for the trees, I would hope. Then again, it is easier and more comfortable to think that your government never lies and is here to help you and would never hurt you in any way?? Sorry I for one do not buy that one. 911 was an inside job, pure and simple, and I purchase PMs, storable food, survival gear to protect my family. If you are interested in protection your family, you should know the facts, do your own research. Do not at your own peril.


Everything is an "inside job" in the political arena of the global pyramid.

Nothing pure or simple about it, except maybe, self-excuse for your small part in it.

.

[slvrbugjim]

Why is it that any evidence I've seen that suggest more widespread fires is wrong?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc7_3pm.jpg

The above photo shows the fires in WTC 7 at roughly
3 p.m, as does this 1 MB wmv video (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Bld7.wmv) of the building. If the FEMA collapse report (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html) were true then the fires shown would have been burning throughout entire floors, not just in a few rooms.


Does not exactly look like widespread to me, none the less. No fires could have melted steel in that building much less cause every single verticle memeber to fail at precisely the same instant, which is the only way the building will fall at free fall speed. Controled Demolition does however explain the way the building collapsed

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif

So runcible, you really believe that the official story on this building is in any way credable??

Wired New York (http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/7wtc/default.htm) reported "steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures".

Burning diesel can't produce enough heat to melt steel, so it certainly can't evaporate it, but thermite can.

Consider the facts:
The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
Firemen anticipated the building's collapse (even though fire had never brought down a fire-protected steel building prior to 9/11).
Silverstein said of the building "the smartest thing to do is pull it."
WTC 7 subsequently collapsed perfectly into its footprint at freefall speed.
Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the debris.When you add to the above the fact that Madrid's Windsor Building remained standing after an 18+ hour 800°C fire (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html) there can be only one conclusion as to what happened to WTC 7: it was demolished.


Building 7 is just one of the smoking guns in this saga, but if you really still believe the government and the official story on this, go ahead, knock yourself out. There are thousands of websites now that address the official fable, that is actually a huge conspiracy theory. What proof do you have that Arabs flew those planes? The fake Bin Laden tape magically found after we heard the tape of Bin Laden saying he did not do the attacks?

Or perhaps the cell phone calls that somehow were placed from 35,000 feet on flight 93?? Sorry you simply cannot make cell phone calls at cruising altitude in 2001.



"It is much easier to sell a lie, than to swallow the truth. Yep we are all doomed. Enslaved by our own delusions."


It is sad that so many people in this country are such simple minded sheeple that siimply cannot think for themselves.

No not everything is an inside job, but a simple fire, diesel or not cannot create molten pools of steel at WTC7 that will last for months, sorry I do not buy it, and if you do you are quite a fool.

[Large Sarge]

Everything is an "inside job" in the political arena of the global pyramid.

Nothing pure or simple about it, except maybe, self-excuse for your small part in it.

.

is this statement a "pseudo-admission" that the towers were brought down by explosives/thermite, and not planes, it is so cryptic and vague I can only wonder....

[Blue_pill_envy]

On the A. Jones show today, Prof. S. Jones confirmed that he and other scientists had obtained samples of steel from the WTCs. They have run tests and concluded beyond any doubt that Thermite (with sulfur added to accelerate the reaction) ) was used to cut the steel on those buildings.

No, I don’t have a link, but I’m sure there will be one soon.



..

[jerry]

Speaking of which, assuming that 9/11 is a part of a massive gov't conspiracy, why demolish any of the WTC towers? Two planes flying into the twin towers should provide a big enough excuse to wage war. The risk of the plot being "blown open" (no pun intended) on live TV by a noted news personality seems much too great for any benefits gained.

Just my $.02

This was not meant to be "gotten away with."

This was meant to "test" the limits of what the public will accept and how to properly "guide" the public to the proper conclusions.

One cannot plan an adversaries agenda without knowing much about that adversary.

This exercise was designed to gain that knowledge about us in order to understand how best to bring us along into the future that is being created for us.

That and it is meant to keep us busy playing mind games while the things that should remain hidden play out.

[slvrbugjim]

This was not meant to be "gotten away with."

This was meant to "test" the limits of what the public will accept and how to properly "guide" the public to the proper conclusions.

One cannot plan an adversaries agenda without knowing much about that adversary.

This exercise was designed to gain that knowledge about us in order to understand how best to bring us along into the future that is being created for us.

That and it is meant to keep us busy playing mind games while the things that should remain hidden play out.

I would agree, Really this is the old problem reaction solution. They create the crisis, we panic and they come to us with a solution, which is worse than the original problem. The larger the lie, the less likely the sheeple will question. Now according to a Zogby poll last month, over 45% of Americans believe that some part of our own government played a part in the attacks either actively or passivly, LIHOP>

They are indeed trying to see just how far they can go, first Waco, OK city, now 911, next ?? perhaps a small nuke, blame it on Iran, declare martial law, round up dissenters, do away with the internet and implement the internet 2, for our protection of course.

Fake terror events to control the populus has been used over and over again.

Btw, a conspiracy is when two or more persons get together to plan a crime or to carry out one. Why is it difficult to believe that 2 or more persons inside our government would ever conspire to commit a crime??
This administrations stonewalling and constant blocking at every turn to keep from having an investigaion should be considered criminal.

[runcible]

The above photo shows the fires in WTC 7 at roughly
3 p.m, as does this 1 MB wmv video (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Bld7.wmv) of the building.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]If the FEMA collapse report (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html) were true then the fires shown would have been burning throughout entire floors, not just in a few rooms.

http://911myths.com/assets/images/wtc7fire1.jpg
http://911myths.com/assets/images/wtc7fire2.jpg

Note how several stories of windows seem to be glowing. Is that a reflection, or fire?

http://911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7_Smoke_2.jpg

That's one smoky building! Looks like it is on fire.

There's a really good picture of WTC7 sinking in the middle as it collapses. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it at the moment. However, it is rather easy to find firemen describing WTC7 sagging and bulging. Google for a bit, you'll find these.

I dislike the comparisons of the WTC7 fire (steel building) to the Madrid fire (steel-reinfoced concrete), and avoided having 43,000 gallons of diesel fuel dumped on it and set afire. The Madrid tower also avoided having debris from a much larger sky scraper dropped on it.

[jerry]

I dislike the comparisons of the WTC7 fire (steel building) to the Madrid fire (steel-reinfoced concrete), and avoided having 43,000 gallons of diesel fuel dumped on it and set afire. The Madrid tower also avoided having debris from a much larger sky scraper dropped on it.

Ever ask yourself why WTC 7 was on fire?

Especially a fire that just happens to coincide with planes hitting the other two buildings?

No plane hit WTC 7 and there was no "flaming debris" that would have penetrated the building and caused the fire.

Firemen fighting the fire IN WTC 7 on 9/11 reported that they had it under control when they were told to evacuate. On scene professionals did not feel that the building was in danger.

Soon after that it fell ... right into its own footprint (almost like it was planned).

How much debris could have fallen on WTC 7?

How much more would have fallen on WTC 6, which was even closer.

[jerry]

I would agree, Really this is the old problem reaction solution. They create the crisis, we panic and they come to us with a solution, which is worse than the original problem. The larger the lie, the less likely the sheeple will question.

They are indeed trying to see just how far they can go, first Waco, OK city, now 911, next ?? perhaps a small nuke, blame it on Iran, declare martial law, round up dissenters, do away with the internet and implement the internet 2, for our protection of course.

Fake terror events to control the populus has been used over and over again.

Btw, a conspiracy is when two or more persons get together to plan a crime or to carry out one. Why is it difficult to believe that 2 or more persons inside our government would ever conspire to commit a crime??
This administrations stonewalling and constant blocking at every turn to keep from having an investigaion should be considered criminal.

This scenario was played out earlier in the 50s and 60s using the people of color as targets.

The Black Panther Party For Self Defense and American Indian Movement were villified. Their grass-roots organization efforts and self-help programs spun as terrorist activities.

But the FBI budget got bigger with every negative news story as the media fed the fire and the governmental agencies reaped the financial rewards from a fearful white middle class.

As we've seen recently nothing sells newspapers like the government's war on terror.

And how do people who have been terrorized by the government manage to deal with the aftermath?

The MOVE 9 are innocent men and women who have been in prison since August 8, 1978, following a massive police attack on us at our home in Powelton Village (Philadelphia).

This was seven years before the government dropped a bomb on MOVE, killing 11 people, including 5 babies.

The August 8, 1978 police attack on MOVE followed years of police brutality against MOVE and was a major military operation carried out by the Philadelphia police department under orders of then-mayor, Frank Rizzo, whose reputation for racism and brutality is well known; it followed him up thru the ranks of the police department to the police commissioner's office to the mayor's office.

During this attack, heavy equipment was used to tear down the fence surrounding our home, and cops filled our home with enough tear gas to kill us and our babies, while SWAT teams covered every possible exit.

We were all in the basement of our home, where we had 10 thousand pounds of water pressure per minute directed at us from 4 fire department water cannons (for a total of 40 thousand pounds of water pressure per minute). As the basement filled with nearly six feet of water we had to hold our babies and animals above the rising water so they wouldn't drown.

Suddenly shots rang out (news reporters and others know the shots came from a house at 33rd and Baring St., not our home, because they actually saw the man shooting) and bullets immediately filled the air as police through-out the area opened fire on us. Officer James Ramp, who was standing above us on street-level and facing our home, was killed by a single bullet that struck him on a downward angle.

This alone makes it impossible for MOVE to have killed Ramp, since we were below street level, in the basement.

MOVE adults came out of the house carrying our children through clouds of tear gas, we were beat and arrested. Television cameras actually filmed the vicious beating of our brother Delbert Africa (3 of the 4 cops that beat Delbert went to trial on minor charges).

Despite the photographic evidence, the trial judge (Stanley Kubacki) refused to let the jury render a verdict and himself acquitted the cops by directed order.

Nine of us were charged with murder and related charges for the death of James Ramp.

Within a few hours of our arrest, our home (which is supposed to be the "scene of the crime" and therefore evidence) was deliberately destroyed, demolished, by city officials when they were legally obligated to preserve all evidence, but we were held for trial anyway.

We went to trial before Judge Edward Malmed who convicted all nine of us of third degree murder (while admitting that he didn't have "the faintest idea" who killed Ramp) and sentenced each of us to 30 - 100 years in prison.

Judge Malmed also stated that MOVE people said we are a family so he sentenced us as a family; we were supposed to be on trial for murder, not for being a family.

It is clear that the MOVE 9 are in prison for being committed MOVE members, not for any accusation of crime. Three other adults that were in the house on August 8th did not get the same treatment as those that this government knows are committed MOVE members.

One had all charges dismissed against her in September of 1978 with the judge saying that there was no evidence that she was a committed MOVE member when the issue was supposed to be murder.

The second one was held for trial but released on bail; she was acquitted.

The third one was held for trial with no bail, convicted of conspiracy and given 10-23 years; she was paroled in 1994.

It is obvious that everything depended on whether or not the courts thought it was dealing with a committed MOVE member, court decisions had nothing to do with the accusation of murder.

It has been 25 years since the August 8, 1978 police attack on MOVE, 25 years of unjust of imprisonment, but despite the hardship of being separated from family-members, despite the grief over the murder of family-members (including babies), the MOVE 9 remain strong and loyal to our Belief, our Belief in Life, the Teaching of our Founder, JOHN AFRICA.

We have an uncompromising commitment to our Belief, which is what makes us a strong unified family, despite all this government have done to break us up and ultimately exterminate us.

It will take a massive amount of public pressure to force this rotten corrupt government to release the MOVE 9 and all political prisoners----What can YOU do to add to the pressure?

WRITE THE MOVE 9 AT THE FOLLOWING ADDRESSES

Debbie Sims Africa #006307; Janet Hollaway Africa #006308 Janine Phillips Africa #6309
451 Fullerton Ave.
Cambridge Springs, PA. 16403-1238

William Phillips Africa #AM 4984; Delbert Orr Africa #AM 4985
1000 Follies Rd.
Dallas, PA. 18612

Michael Davis Africa #AM 4973; Charles Sims Africa #AM 4975
P.O. Box 244
Graterford, PA. 19426-0246

Edward Goodman Africa #AM 4974
301 Morea Rd.
Frackville, PA. 17932

CONTACT US THROUGH ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
THE MOVE ORGANIZATION
P.O. Box 19709 Phila., PA. 19143
610 499-0979

What a titillating little soap opera we all love to watch/experience.

Democracy = the tyranny of 50.1%.

[skagen]

I heard a UFO piloted by Elvis did it.

Why must people make a conspiracy out of everything?

[Halophyte]

is this statement a "pseudo-admission" that the towers were brought down by explosives/thermite, and not planes, it is so cryptic and vague I can only wonder....




Why do you think your Corpgov's CIA department initiates banana republics and religious zealots ? Why the interest in "supporting" oil rich third world countries but the hell with other countries without oil reserves ?

Your country's interest lies awash in oil. You consume oil in every form, from agriculture to transportation, from clothes to computers. You want the big picture of a CONspiracy but don't want the picture frame so big as to include your lifestyle as part of the bigger problem.

Keep looking for 'cause' follow the road to truth, sooner or later you'll find yourself in the thick of it.

.

[melbo]

Everything is an "inside job" in the political arena of the global pyramid.

Nothing pure or simple about it, except maybe, self-excuse for your small part in it.

.

Halo?
Doesn't your avatar, "CRIMEX", depict an inside job?

[slvrbugjim]

Thats one smokey building,


yea, so what. The fires once again are localized on one side and one corner of the building. Sorry that cannot melt steel, nor can it creat molten pools of steel that last for months, nor can it cause each and every single verticle supporting member on that building to fail at exactly the same instant. Your photos do nothing to explain away this information.

Hey Runcible, why is it exactly that you are so very interested in protecting the government story and the official story propugated by the corporate media?? What exactly are you protecting here.

If you actually believe that a 47 story building can collapse at free fall speed and create molten pools of steel from a "diesel" fire, you are a bit lost and need to do some research. Or are you just trying to protect the official line and make sure others are not able to think for themselves?? I think I know the answer.

[PatColo]

it seems Prof. Steven Jones was on Alex Jones today, said they definitely used thermite,

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070606jones.htm

tons of new info, audio, video etc from last weekend's 911-Truth conference in Chicago at http://911blogger.com

[slvrbugjim]

it seems Prof. Steven Jones was on Alex Jones today, said they definitely used thermite,

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070606jones.htm

tons of new info, audio, video etc from last weekend's 911-Truth conference in Chicago at http://911blogger.com

Thanks Pat, actually I was in Chicago this weekend, I really enjoyed speaking with Ray McGovern, the father of Reagonomics about gold and silver and the Federal Reserve, over lunch on Saturday. I actually went for a tour in the museum in the Federal Reserve of Chicago, it was actually a fairly sickening experience, As I told McGovern, felt like being in the den of the enemy.

Steven Jones is a great guy, very kind and good person, very genuine. Webster Tarpley was very impressive, a wealth of info.

[Didga]

it seems Prof. Steven Jones was on Alex Jones today, said they definitely used thermite,

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070606jones.htm

tons of new info, audio, video etc from last weekend's 911-Truth conference in Chicago at http://911blogger.com

Some thermite was used without doubt. I also suspect that RDX was used as this has the explosive capacity that thermite does not. The explosive capacity is required to produce the dust clouds.

The big question is what do Controlled Demolition Inc. use in their DREXS (Directional Remote Explosive Severance) system??

[slvrbugjim]

Some thermite was used without doubt. I also suspect that RDX was used as this has the explosive capacity that thermite does not. The explosive capacity is required to produce the dust clouds.

The big question is what do Controlled Demolition Inc. use in their DREXS (Directional Remote Explosive Severance) system??

You mean this part

US Steel Plant
Youngstown, Ohio
Whether working in heavy or light manufacturing areas for the petrochemical, metal, power generation or automotive industries, Controlled Demolition Incorporated’s implosion capabilities and DREXS (Directional Remote Explosive Severance) System facilitate the demolition or dismantling of all types of steel and concrete facilities to provide the safe, expeditious and cost-effective removal of industrial structures.

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=13

Yes interesting, Remote Severance??

they need to take note on WTC7. All you need is some diesel, and some fax machines a few desks and walla, perfect emplosion at free fall speed into its own footprint, they could save quite a lot of time and money using this model. :haha:

[bigjon]

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/b7/location.html



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[Large Sarge]

Why do you think your Corpgov's CIA department initiates banana republics and religious zealots ? Why the interest in "supporting" oil rich third world countries but the hell with other countries without oil reserves ?

Your country's interest lies awash in oil. You consume oil in every form, from agriculture to transportation, from clothes to computers. You want the big picture of a CONspiracy but don't want the picture frame so big as to include your lifestyle as part of the bigger problem.

Keep looking for 'cause' follow the road to truth, sooner or later you'll find yourself in the thick of it.

.

Halo,

let me remind you of a couple small points.

I have maintained from almost the beginning (PAtColo, and a few other were ahead of me), that it was explosives/ thermite that brought the buildings down.

You and I has a series of debates on it, this thread includes part of one of those debates, your position was "Chaos theory/ equipment failure" (something close to that)

at one point in your attempt to prove you were right, you even offered a reward to anyone who could prove you were wrong (or prove explosives/thermite was used)

if you are going to reply to my questions, please stay on topic.

no one asked about oil or agriculture, we are talking about building collapse, and what caused it

[Veritas]

The biggest argument against the conspiracy theories and for the "offical" story is the continuing terrorism all around the world. Bali has been hit several times, as well as Egypt, London, and let's not forget Iraq. A great number of these were suicide bombings. I don't know about you, but there's no way in hell a CIA agent could persuade me to blow myself up--my life is just too valuable. Only a religious zealot, someone who thinks that a better afterlife awaits, would give up his life. We're talking about life here folks, the most valuable possession you have. Again, no CIA agent or government could possibly offer enough for someone to blow themselves up so that SOMEONE ELSE CAN REAP THE REWARDS!!!!

Just because 9/11 was an engineered event by elements within our own government, it does not mean that terrorism does not exist. Terrorist activities have been happening for centuries. The events of 9/11 didn't create global terrorism, but they did divide the world into a "you're either with us or against us" mentality.

The suicide bombers you speak of are not paid off by the CIA to create staged terror attacks. They are legitimate pissed off people who have very little to live for, and a lot more to die for for so they believe). The terrorist acts are legitimate. The problem is that the more we continue this fight and carry into other countries, the more we will see terrorism continue to grow around the world. The old method of problem-reaction-solution is how they play the game. Those in control want to increase their global control. That is the solution. SO they create a problem (9/11), the people give them a desired reaction - which calls for their preplanned solution.

THose arabs blowing themselves up actually believe they are fighting a war on terror and at the same time, it provides legitimacy to our governments war on terror...which only perpetuates the cycle of increased terrorism.

First, our government had a "war on illiteracy" in the 80's - and we saw an increase in illiteracy.

Then our government had a "war on drugs" in the 90's - and we saw an increase in drugs.

Now we are fight a "war on terrorism" and what are we seeing?