Why the Towers Couldn't have collapsed from Gravity -- Not Enough Energy Released

[Dude]

DUDE, fuel rich=oxygen starved. for you cannot have one, without the other. Hence a cooler fire.:adore:

I agree. It was just an example of disinformation. Enough fuel (not just jet-fuel), that some claim was not there, could build into a 1300 degree flash over.
But then again, a claim of continuous black smoke would refute that possibility.

[wrs]

Dude,
I think you are somewhat confused, gravity is present and accelerating the floors of the building at 9.8m/s^2 no matter if they are moving or not. Gravity is a force which always produces an acceleration of 9.8m/s^2.

The key here is VELOCITY because KE = 1/2mv^2 and it takes energy to do damage. You are being accelerated at 9.8m/s^2 by gravity as you sit in your chair so the fact of the acceleration is irrelevant in this discussion.

As to the 1% mass, that is a calculation that I made at the beginning of this thread using the data provided by FEMA. If you disagree with my computations, let me know what Im missing. Even if we just assumed a proportional mass then the upper 20 stories are only 17% of the entire mass because there are 7 underground levels as well as the 110 above ground levels. This is of course generous becuase the mass of the underground structures and the lower structures are much greater due to the fact that they carry the entire weight of the building while the upper 20 floors carry very little load by comparison. So we are still at the very least talking about something having only 1/6th the mass running into something much larger.

[Halophyte]

But then again, a claim of continuous black smoke would refute that possibility.

A fire does not burn at the same temperature in its entire area. Core temperature is the important issue, not perimeter fires consuming fuel (from whatever source) generating exaust fumes at lower temperatures.

The simple fire temp model does not take into consideration radiant reflection and containment by concrete floors and ceilings. wrs has guessed that the heat loss was at 50%. That is nothing more than a wide guess.


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[Dude]

Dude,
You are being accelerated at 9.8m/s^2 by gravity as you sit in your chair so the fact of the acceleration is irrelevant in this discussion.


That is rich. I'm accelerating, I'm accelerating! Stop me before my eardrums burst! You talk garbage, I refute, then you ignore, move on, and type stuff like this only to prove to me that you need some real help.

[PatColo]

A fire does not burn at the same temperature in its entire area. Core temperature is the important issue, not perimeter fires consuming fuel (from whatever source) generating exaust fumes at lower temperatures.

The simple fire temp model does not take into consideration radiant reflection and containment by concrete floors and ceilings. wrs has guessed that the heat loss was at 50%. That is nothing more than a wide guess.


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@Halo,

Could you please remind the lurking masses why you don't put your Big League Engineering Skills (BS for short) to work in collecting your

MILLION BUCKS??? (http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm)

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Let's imagine that your concern with channeling your valuable engineering time towards more industrious use as outlined above, is due to your concern that Walters/reopen911.org may welch on their proposal (a scenario we have some experience with around here! (http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=28859&highlight=silver)).

Let's imagine you're fixated on defending the Official 911 Conspiracy Theory (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0393326713/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-0246106-2288917?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=283155) purely out of academic pride.

In this case, why don't you devote your labors to publicly critiquing such peer reviewed academic works as :

- Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? (http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html)
by Steven E. Jones, Ph.D.

- The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True (http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html)
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.

- Thinking about "Conspiracy Theories": 9/11 and JFK (http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/fetzerexpandedx.htm)
by James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.

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And lastly Halo,

I've noticed that your thorough & exhaustive assessment of the reason(s) for the abrupt, symetrical, free-fall-speed collapse of the 47 story steel-framed HOUSE OF SPOOKS, AKA WTC-7, on 9/11 afternoon, perfectly agrees with the similarly thorough & exhaustive assessment of WTC-7's collapse by the Zelikow 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0393326713/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-0246106-2288917?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=283155)

As we're all aware, the Zelilkow 9/11 Report duly gives taxpayers the fullest possible accounting of the events of 9/11. So the fact that your assessment of the strange collapse of the House Of Spooks (WTC-7) agrees so perfectly with the assessment of same by this utterly thorough, landmark/definitive gummit report on 9/11... is cause for kudos to you. :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

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But I must ask:

Did YOU get YOUR WTC-7 assessment directly from the Zelikow Commission Report, or did THEY get THEIR WTC-7 assessment directly from YOU?? :adore: :adore: :adore:

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[wrs]

You didn't refute anything I said as far as I can see and as to gravity not accelerating you as you sit in your chair, what would happen if it wasn't there? Gee, you are truly clueless, get out your books because the 25 years of them being closed has also emptied your brain of any facts you might have retained from them back then...................

[Dude]

You didn't refute anything I said as far as I can see and as to gravity not accelerating you as you sit in your chair, what would happen if it wasn't there? Gee, you are truly clueless, get out your books because the 25 years of them being closed has also emptied your brain of any facts you might have retained from them back then...................

Definition of acceleration:
The rate at which an object's velocity changes with time.

My velocity is zero, right now, right now, right now, (can you hear me?). My acceleration is zero. You amaze me. I am glad the University of Illinois did not fail me. Where did you get your Masters from? I won't venture to guess.

[wrs]

Dude,
You continue to display your ignorance, what will happen to you if gravity ceases to accelerate you?????? Hint review the first law of motion according to Newton. Then have a look at the second law, it looks like this

F=ma............................

Finally, have a look at the third law and the definition of vector and you will understand why your velocity is 0. However, because your velocity is 0 doesn't mean you aren't accelerated.

B.A. C.S. UT Austin, 1979
B.S.E.E UT Austin, 1981
M.S. Eng. Non-Linear System Theory UT Austin, 1990

It's been 25 years since Illinois passed you, I doubt you would pass today.

[gpond]

I could do without all the invectives.

[wrs]

I hope you don't mean ignorance or clueless is an invective? I gave him a hint with the reference to vector instead he comes back to me with an incorrect answer regarding scalars...............

[Dude]

Wrs,

Boy, it sure took some doing to goad you enough to show your credentials. But it was fun, eh?

Impressive, and I do apologize for some of my earlier remarks.

Your calculations do show merit. I hope there is someone that can disprove your conclusion, but I can't.

Now, can you please let go of my arm behind my back?

[Large Sarge]

Thanks to WRS and others on this thread

Thank you for taking the time to expose the liars and their shoddy schemes.

The fact that these liars are supporting the "bankster NWO agenda/ propagating WW3", is likely irrelevant to them

but to the rest of us who are forced to live in the police state, it is relevant, and THANK YOU!

"Drain the swamp"

[Dude]

Large - Who are you calling a liar?

[bigjon]

Ya, LS, you left out the possibility of abject stupidity. :elefant:

[Large Sarge]

Large - Who are you calling a liar?

Not you, no worries Mate....

I consider your time here an honest attempt to learn the truth....

Others spend there time here trying to mislead folks....

Never meant to imply you were a liar....

My apologies.

[Ponce Cuba]

You guys should get a gun go back to back, walk twenty paces, turn around and fire.......... uffffffffffffff :love:

[Dude]

Thanks, I feel better about that. I know that I have faults, am not always right, (and on and on) but I try to keep all that to a minimum. :wink: