Apologies to wrs - thanks for the help solving the WTC collapse !

[Halophyte]

I like this part, Halo. They are saying delta T must have been very small, otherwise the tower would have taken longer to fall. BWaaaahhh...

No fooling, duh. Enter the flying monkeys. :withstupi

Because you conveniently glaze over this ;

When the next buckle with its group of plastic hinges forms, the upper part has already traveled many floors down and has acquired a much higher kinetic energy; the percentage of the kinetic energy dissipated plastically is then of the order of 1%. The percentage continues to decrease further as the upper part moves down. If fracturing in the plastic hinges were considered, a still smaller (in fact much smaller) energy dissipation would be obtained. So the collapse of the tower must be an almost free fall.



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[Halophyte]

Given the incredibly evil nature of the crime, to intentionally misdirect others from the truth about 9/11 is evil in itself, IMO.

To disregard this peer reviewed study would be to suggest that all of these Professors and Engineers are also in on the CONspiracy ...

Paranoia and childish fear is self-evident at GIM.



Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma
Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts
Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego
Henri Gavin, Duke University
Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota
Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology
Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan
Nicos Makris, University of Patras
Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary
Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago
Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology
Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation
George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University
Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado

Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee
Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair
James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE
Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE
Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact

Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee
Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair
James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE
Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE
Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact


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[bigjon]

Because you conveniently glaze over this ;

When the next buckle with its group of plastic hinges forms, the upper part has already traveled many floors down and has acquired a much higher kinetic energy; the percentage of the kinetic energy dissipated plastically is then of the order of 1%. The percentage continues to decrease further as the upper part moves down. If fracturing in the plastic hinges were considered, a still smaller (in fact much smaller) energy dissipation would be obtained. So the collapse of the tower must be an almost free fall.



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And your ex perts assume an impossibility of a 3.5 meter initial free fall.

total garbage.:haha:

[Halophyte]

And your ex perts assume an impossibility of a 3.5 meter initial free fall.

total garbage.:haha:

You're right BJ, the whole university and engineering world is in on the CONspiracy.

Give it up BJ, I have a tough enough time crunching the numbers but the study confirms my intuitive experience in loads.

And if I'm still studying the Elastic Dynamics of ductile properties. I KNOW your fricken lost ... :haha:

BTW .... where's your GIM math guru ? This threads for him.



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[Ash_Williams]

After the tower came down, we could see huge metal supports still standing for a few seconds. These were taller than some nearby buildings, in fact. Then, they fell straight down... How did this happen? Did they suddenly break into peices under their own weight instead of falling over? Or maybe they folded down into springs, as that 2000 degree steel was so soft.

[bigjon]

You're right BJ, the whole university and engineering world is in on the CONspiracy.

Give it up BJ, I have a tough enough time crunching the numbers but the study confirms my intuitive experience in loads.

And if I'm still studying the Elastic Dynamics of ductile properties. I KNOW your fricken lost ... :haha:

BTW .... where's your GIM math guru ? This threads for him.



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Wow, halo knows how to cut and paste garbage of people who were given the task of inventing a scenario where skyscrapers fall down without explosives.

And they tailor all of their assumptions to arrive at a predetermined result, US science at its worst.

And I don't think for a moment you actually buy this crap.

[Blue_pill_envy]

Given the incredibly evil nature of the crime, to intentionally misdirect others from the truth about 9/11 is evil in itself, IMO.

I think you’re right about that.

There’s no way anyone can be exposed to so much info and continue the company line without being part of the company.

Maybe they’re trying to work their way out of mock ritual, into the real thing…..who knows.

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[Ash_Williams]

The more you argue something the more sure you have to become that it's true. I think it would take nothing short of a full government admission to convince some people on here that the official theory is wrong, and there's nothing I can imagine that would convince others that it is right since the evidence was shipped away.

[Halophyte]

Wow, halo knows how to cut and paste garbage of people who were given the task of inventing a scenario where skyscrapers fall down without explosives.

And they tailor all of their assumptions to arrive at a predetermined result, US science at its worst.

And I don't think for a moment you actually buy this crap.


Your paranoid delusions require attacking the entire scientific and engineering world that does not agree with your fantasy, no matter how credible the source is.


You have shown your assets and now have no choice but to defend the lie.

You are locked into the CONspiracy.

You have no escape.


You don't give a damn about truth.


How does it feel to be a prisoner ?


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[Uncle]

Jees, I haven't been on for about three weeks and your guys are still at it. May I suggest geeting some sunshine, or what ever equates to extra-mural activities in your neck of the woods ?

Golden Regards
Uncle

[bigjon]

Your paranoid delusions require attacking the entire scientific and engineering world that does not agree with your fantasy, no matter how credible the source is.


You have shown your assets and now have no choice but to defend the lie.

You are locked into the CONspiracy.

You have no escape.


You don't give a damn about truth.


How does it feel to be a prisoner ?


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Ok, truth, assumed freefall drop of 3.5 meters-

How do you get a freefall? Space aliens disintegrator gun removes all impediments to fall from 90th floor.

Even allowing for freefall your "model" doesn't work. too, too stupid.

[PatColo]

@PatColo

I take it that the study is a bit too much for your belief system.

I know it doesn't feel that good.

Just say no to CTs.

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I just say no to wild eyed, unproven, & impossible conspiracy theories like

THIS ONE. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0393326713/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-0246106-2288917?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=283155")

A person has to be a dupe extraordinaire to believe such an absurd fairy tale.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif
www.WTC7.net

[gpond]

I just say no to wild eyed, unproven, & impossible conspiracy theories like

THIS ONE.

A person has to be a dupe extraordinaire to believe such an absurd fairy tale.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif
www.WTC7.net (http://www.WTC7.net)

I love the Amazon.com reviews. Here is the first one:
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The readers here are clearly correct on the journalism-yes, brilliant!however, what most readers rather old or new of the commision report or won't know is that over 200 pages of this NYTimes like fake reporting has been censored (First excuse was National Security-then turned around and lied in a statement saying It would "reveal embarrasing incompetence on the part of Federal agencies"-you don't say? There are too many holes not filled to save the sinking ship. For instance, the supposed
"Communications problems making it difficult to transmit information-is proven bogus-the Firefighters who have been GAGGED by the FBI from talking to the press rebelled to save America-and released the tapes over the Internet before FBI confiscation-and if you goto the sight of the fallen heros before the sight was "gagged"-they report 2 keys facts omitted from the report among other censored things that-

1. Bombs were going off in the building.
2. The firefighters had reached the crash/fire sites before the buildings were pulled;and reported that fires where mainly choked (Due to the Oxygen Choke design of WTC buildings)-and that they could put it out with a couple of hoses.

These two key facts knock the official story in the Dirt-and dismiss the notion of wacky conspiracy theriost all together.
What the Commission report also conviently says, "9/11 could have been stopped",sure it could of!-Its just that the unelected President of the this country had sign PRESIDENTIAL ORDER-W199I.
What is Order W199I? Oh, just the order for the FBI to back off Bin Laden and his buddies thats all. No theroy there-an executive order right from the top.

What other Treason is Conviently left out of this 500 some-odd
page whitewash you as an American has a right to know thats fact and not theory?-Ah, just the facts about World Trade Center 7 complex information....and what kinda information could quite possibly left out-that turned up truth? 2 Things.

1.That Larry Silverstien (The owner of the complex)said that had building 7 "pulled" on PBS-then when he finally responded to heavy critisism, LAST YEAR (2005) about his comment (Pulled is a controlled demolition experts term), he said-something moronic about firefighters getting out from the fire, yet no one was in building 7;as established by the fire cheifs who he told beforehand-but interesting enough his story doesn't fit the story of the Commision Report-nor final report, nor the Kean Commision reports story. One thing about 9/11-not the commission report that we as Americans need to realize is that-

There's a hidden history behind most events in American History-some just take longer to come out (Example: It was revealed about 3 years ago in the press that Bank of America, and JP Morgan investment group were big bankers in the Black Slave Trade right here in America).Theres is no excuses for American society;you have the Internet-the Information key that replays events more realistically than this Govt. Sponsored Investigation(Congress is in the jist of Unconstitutionally passing legislation without the peoples concent to censor the internet-private virutes are already pushing it and so, I guess thats one less thing we can jump on China about-Internet freedom of speech gone.)

You need to stop being a Naive Society and realize the track record of lies and deception your own history has concieved through its foundation or conglomerate corporate media, and literally 'State Funded' Free newspapers (WashPost-NYT's,Tribune, ect.) Privatized news is NOT OBLIGATED to give out the truth anyway-it's not publically funded (PBS isn't anymore either)

911Truth.org for all you curious readers who want to hear what the families of this horrible whitewash really have to say-and if you don't believe it-goto Ground Zero today-and hear it from the New Yorkers mouths yourself-they all say the same 2 things.

1.The Zogby Poll taken in NYC reveals over half the residence believe 9/11 was an inside job-(Is it logical that half of a City be conspiracy therorist?No-but it is logical if you still in a state of denial)

2.That Bombs were going off in the buildings. Anybody thats got a little common sense can pull out their CNN or FOX Commemoration tape and note 2 things.

-Symetrical Collapes of all 3 towers-with 1 and 2 literally propelling pulverized concrete and steal beams out a width of over 230 feet-in less than 10 seconds-almost breaking the law of physics-only a demolition can make a building fall at freefall speed-not a fire-which takes days not hours to melt.

I'm no "Government Expert" but when has a building collapes from fire besides Sept 11th 2001?-the answer which is a fact- PROVEN fact:
NEVER. Never in the history of skyscrapers. When has a Brick infrastructure with a steel frame column collapes to the ground with free fall speed-by fire?

Never. Not even during the Great Chicago Fire according to testimony and photographs.

Even a standard wooden shed with a wooden frame won't collapes to the ground if you engulf it in gasoline or a karosine base like homemade Napalm (burns hotter than regular fire)and light it in 10 seconds. It won't collapes at freefall speed nor neatly into itself-like a demolitions did on Sept 11, 2001.

Foreknowledge which is a fact confirmed by our vactioning leaders.
-Foreknowledge is Treason-regardless of what party.

-Explosives is murder.
the longer those resposible hold out, regardless of whom may really be responsible-the more ruthless the response will be from a duped Republic which is eventually going to wake up-just look at the statistics on websites like Prisonplanet.com-which has an impressive 911 Archive-and gets over 80 MILLION HITS of traffic on some days.
or, 911 Blogger-which stays away from 'Theroies' and covers alternative media-again with a impressive 911 timeline and 115 reasons to doubt the official story good multimedia too-get the word out!This Commission report is composed of Pork-barrel Dung-let the deceased rest in peace-and may the purpitrators involved in this plot be brought to an independent court with and independent Judge, Independent Prosecuters,lets gettem lined up for the firing squad on charges of Treason (which can easily be brought forth even excluding 9/11)of the republic for which it stands-Amen,Allah Akbar, hallilujah, and whatever praise the peacemakers regardless of religion or color my bring for humanity.
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(Come on, reviewer.. Tell us what you really think..)

[Halophyte]

I’m still waiting for one individual, just one person, who witnessed anyone placing explosives inside the buildings prior to 9/11.

I’m still waiting for one individual, just one person, who witnessed anyone removing ceiling tiles/partitions and placing dozens of very strange things around the inner/outer support columns on several floors prior to 9/11.

I’m still waiting for one individual, just one person, who witnessed anyone drilling out the center concrete support columns and placing dozens of strange things inside the holes on several floors prior to 9/11.

I’m still waiting for one individual, just one person, who witnessed anyone running a strange plastic cordlike material from several floor locations to a central box-like device prior to 9/11.

I’m still waiting for one demo-explosives expert to state that these buildings can be imploded from dropping a single “package” on the rooftop from a chopper.

I’m still waiting for one demo-explosives expert to state that they think that the towers can be prepped and wired in less than an hour.

I’m still waiting for one demo-explosives expert to state that they can core out concrete columns, cut beams, place charges and wire these buildings without anyone knowing about it – considering the traffic and use of these buildings.

Its been 5 years and I’m still waiting ….


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[J.D.Rockinfeller]

Halo, it does seem ironic that the only way to dodge the "conspiracy theory" via explosives, is to EMBRACE the one one involving Bin Laden! So....we say there is no conspiracy..BECAUSE there was a conspiracy???
Respectfully, JD.

[bigjon]

And IF that individual did step forward Halo would say he stepped right out of Urban Legends, another hoaxer.

There is only one kind of evidence old Halo will accept.

[Halophyte]

Halo, it does seem ironic that the only way to dodge the "conspiracy theory" via explosives, is to EMBRACE the one one involving Bin Laden! So....we say there is no conspiracy..BECAUSE there was a conspiracy???
Respectfully, JD.


Why is it so impossible to believe someone would crash an airliner into a building but quite acceptable to believe someone would wrap explosives around them and walk into a crowd ?

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[Veli Hopea]

I’m still waiting for one individual, just one person, who witnessed anyone placing explosives inside the buildings prior to 9/11.

When were those WTC towers built?

I mean, maybe all those explosives and wires were in their correct places all these years. Maybe someone installed small ignition charges in their places only few days or weeks before the 911 event.

Why not?

True professionals use explosives that certainly do not blow up without a powerful ignition. If you try to ignite such an explosive with a lighter or a matchstick, the explosive will simply burn. It burns fast, but there will be no explosion.

But there remains a problem: Suppose that someone slams an airliner against the tower. That will probably damage the wires. Ok, that will look quite appropriate, because the top of the tower seems to crunch the tower below into small bits while falling down. But still the top chunk of the building should be demolished, because it would look very strange if it remains more or less one piece after falling down.

How to make a big part of a big building suddenly vanish into a dust cloud?

Let us try a small nuclear device. It should be placed in the cellar. A powerful gamma ray burst could disintegrate the remaining top before it hits the ground. That will leave a pond of molten metal, but so what? The metal will cool down and the radioactive waste can be shipped away.

[Large Sarge]

Let us try a small nuclear device. It should be placed in the cellar. A powerful gamma ray burst could disintegrate the remaining top before it hits the ground. That will leave a pond of molten metal, but so what? The metal will cool down and the radioactive waste can be shipped away.

some folks have suggested that was what was used, I believe they mention a small H-bomb...

I am not well enough versed in that area to really say "yes or no"

I guess its possible, in one of the newscasts, the reporters says "the explosion has flipped over cars outside the building"

I guess a suitcase nuke would do that....

[Halophyte]

some folks have suggested that was what was used, I believe they mention a small H-bomb...

I am not well enough versed in that area to really say "yes or no"

I guess its possible, in one of the newscasts, the reporters says "the explosion has flipped over cars outside the building"

I guess a suitcase nuke would do that....



Hey LS, wanna buy a bridge ?


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[honu5050]

new york flop house....If you build em just right they will come.:smile:

[Halophyte]

If you can't Dazzle em with Brilliance Baffle them with Bull Shit


Yeah, the pocket nuke does it for me ....


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[J.D.Rockinfeller]

Why is it so impossible to believe someone would crash an airliner into a building but quite acceptable to believe someone would wrap explosives around them and walk into a crowd ?

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I believe someone crashed a plane into the 2nd tower, its just at this point I dont believe thats what caused the collapse of BOTH towers, and bldg. 7,
and the pentagon......the idea that a man who does'nt even have a working toilet(bin laden) could from his mountain hideaway could do all this is to me....absurd. However Halo I appreciate your willingness to embrace an unpopular position and defend it scientifically and consistently...,
JD.

[honu5050]

If you can't Dazzle em with Brilliance Baffle them with Bull Shit


Yeah, the pocket nuke does it for me ....


.yea why not 4 sure....:cheers:

[Large Sarge]

Hey LS, wanna buy a bridge ?


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I thought you were selling a faulty V-damper story, not bridges....

I think you are having enough problems moving your own V-damper story, better get that one sold before you move onto bridges...

Seems your logic, and sales skills are lacking....

[Halophyte]

I thought you were selling a faulty V-damper story, not bridges....

I think you are having enough problems moving your own V-damper story, better get that one sold before you move onto bridges...

Seems your logic, and sales skills are lacking....


Damn the luck, lost another customer.

You could have bought 10,000 VE units for the cost of 1 mini nuke.

And there’s no pesky rad waste or the need to develop a nuke without neutrons.



So much for savvy shoppers ....



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[Large Sarge]

Damn the luck, lost another customer.

You could have bought 10,000 VE units for the cost of 1 mini nuke.

And there’s no pesky rad waste or the need to develop a nuke without neutrons.



So much for savvy shoppers ....



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do you really believe the stuff you are pushing? or do you just like to debate?
Serious question...

I mean, after I walked you through all the glaring discrepancies in your theory (steel beams less than 30 feet in length, tons of concrete self destructing to micron size, molten pool of slag metal 6 weeks later, loud explosions heard/taped etc etc)

and you are still working the V-damper story,

do you honestly believe that? or is it just boredom/entertainment value?

Honest question, no insult here....