A Hell of Our Own Making

[Large Sarge]

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A Hell of Our Own Making

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
February 25, 2006
http://www.savethemales.ca/illuminati3.jpgThe world often feels like a stinky public toilet without ventilation.
This is because Protagorus' dictum "man is the measure of all things"
is the official religion.
Modern culture consists mostly of reflections of our degenerate selves, a "wilderness of mirrors" in T.S. Eliot's words.
We inhale our own fumes.
We sift through a ton of sludge looking for a speck of truth, spectral miners panning for gold in the wrong place.
The religion of man is known as humanism or illuminism.
Plato tried to correct Protagorus. "God and not man is the measure of all things."
We don't listen to Plato.
God is now banned from public life. When was the last time a Divine Standard was applied to anything? That would be like a breath of fresh air.
J. Edgar Hoover said, "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous (http://www.savethemales.ca/000166.html) he cannot believe it exists."
The Illuminati, a Luciferian secret society, and the highest echelon of Freemasonry control the world. (That's their logo on the US dollar along with the words "we did it!" in Latin.)
Lucifer represents man's rebellion against natural and moral laws i.e. God's design. The Luciferians are very rich. They need to short circuit God's plan in order to impose their own, the "new world order."
Humanism generally celebrates our animal instincts rather than moral ones because it is designed to reduce us to the cattle and servants of the rich.
The Illuminati (http://www.savethemales.ca/001260.html) created both Nazism and Communism, and every war (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/24-Feb-2006.html) including the "War on Terror."
Abu Ghraib and Guantanimo Bay descend directly from Nazi concentration camps and the Soviet Gulag. The Illuminati is signaling this by publicizing the torture and degradation in these places.
Wittingly or unwittingly, our "leaders" have sworn allegiance to the Illuminati devils. That's the price of success today.
Look at Dylan Avery's video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=9-11+Loose+Change) "9-11 Loose Change" and tell me the ruling class is not the accomplice to mass murder or its cover-up.
The Sept. 11 outrage took place exactly ten years after George H.W. Bush proclaimed (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/gw1_nwo_video.htm)the "New World Order" to Congress Sept. 11, 1991. Coincidence?
Another coincidence? An adjacent 47-storey building World Trade Center Seven was admittedly demolished the same day?
The Illuminati have declared war on God. We are cannon fodder, human sacrifice.
The human race has suffered more than enough duplicity and degradation to justify revolt. But we have been programmed by occult magicians to accept our suffering as inevitable, necessary and even heroic.

REMOVING THE NEW WORLD ODOUR

This is about spiritual survival in a world gone insane. A few weeks ago, (http://www.savethemales.ca/001374.html) I mentioned taking breaks from the world, and finding ways to uplift and nourish the soul.

We have a tendency to feel helpless, unable to affect faraway events. In fact, we are on the front lines. The New World Order wants our mind and soul. We fight back by dedicating ourselves to God instead.
First we have to short-circuit their two main control systems: sex and money.
We can direct our sex drive by confining it to a monogamous relationship.
We can escape the money compulsion by living within our means, and disciplining ourselves so money is a minor concern.
Henry David Thoreau said, "A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can afford to leave alone." The truly rich man is the one who does not think about money.
By this standard many billionaires are paupers. In fact, the more money a person has, the harder it is to think of anything else.

REORIENTATION

http://www.savethemales.ca/meditation.jpg Why should we obey God? God is really the principle of our own development and the path to our happiness and fulfillment. We serve ourselves when we serve God.
Think life has no meaning? Life has intrinsic meaning when we fulfill God's purpose. We need to ask, "What does God want of me? What was I born to do?"
God speaks to us through our spirit and conscience. We don't hear Him because our minds are like mirrors facing the world. We need to turn the mirror around so it faces the soul inside and shows its back to the world.
Instead of blotting up the world, which makes us weary and sick, we should focus on those things that reflect our inner purity and goodness.
Instead of letting the world determine what we think and therefore feel, we need to create our own world based on how we want to feel. That's what faith is all about, making spiritual reality paramount.
"I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life by a conscious endeavor," Thoreau wrote in Walden.
"It is something to carve a statue...but it is far more glorious to carve ...the very atmosphere and medium through which we look, which morally we can do. Every man is tasked to make his life, even in its details worthy of the contemplation of his most elevated and critical hour."
By making our thoughts conform to our soul, instead of the world, we can create our own heaven. Think pleasant thoughts!
All great religions teach us to control our thoughts. We should regard our minds as altars and our thoughts as offerings to God. Meditate on this. Learn to make our thoughts pleasing to God.
"Muddied water, let stand, becomes clear," said Lao Tzu.
In the Hindu tradition, mind discipline is called Raja Yoga." Christians might maintain their vigilance by asking, " What would Christ do? Would would Christ think?" Christianity, in a nutshell, is the imitation of Christ.
Prayer is another form of meditation. Whatever our opinion of Timothy Leary, he had the right idea in High Priest: "Prayer is the compass, the gyroscope, the centering device to give you direction, courage and trust..."

A CONCENTRATION CAMP IN THE MIND

How long has it been since you felt happy? Yes, it rankles that pathetic scoundrels control the world. But man is not the measure of all things. No matter what happens on earth, God is the only Reality. Look beyond man and focus on spiritual reality: beauty, goodness, justice and love.
We place ourselves in concentration camps before they're even built. The Illuminati is not likely to shatter the illusion of freedom. There is no better way to control people. But even if they did, we must be capable of joy even then. God is Joy and God is far greater than men.
The key is to ignore the crowd, which is manipulated by the Illuminati. It's good to be aware but do not dance to the tune tapped out by degenerates.
Retiring from the world periodically ensures that we don't forfeit the only sphere where we still have power. It enables us to make a wholesome contribution to society.
As Paul Elmer More said, "A day that makes me happy makes me wise." Let us master the art of happiness.

[Keef]

We get just a small taste of Heaven and Hell in this life. Just enough to wet our appitites for Eternity. Just enough to help us decide which place we would rather be.

If money made people happy, Bill Gates would by hysterical, and he's not

But man is born to adversity. Everyone, everywhere, at any time has PROBLEMS. Money makes things easier, not necessarly better.

I like the prayer my dear old Irish grannie taught me:
Lord, give me enough so that I need not steal; but not too much that I forget about YOU.

(and who said pirates could not be spiritual???)

[Ash_Williams]

Just my opinion here: I think the ruling freemasons are not Satan worshippers, or athiests, or anything. They are simply those who have realized that it doesn't matter if there's a God, because the fact that is much more useful is that other people believe that there is and faith, fear, and ritual are great ways of manipulating people. Religion and superstition can be used as powerful tools to make people do whatever you want, hate or kill whoever you want, and keep everyone from seeing who is pulling the strings.

They gain opportunities every time something divides people and creates chaos. They win every time someone prays or thinks pleasant thoughts instead of doing something.

Everyone go home, be happy. It doesn't matter what happens, because the next life will be better. If someone comes to kill you, it's because it is your time and part of God's great plan, la dee da. Nothing to worry about. Soon you'll have a king or pharoh or some damn thing to worship too.

[Ponce Cuba]

We are a product of our own creation...... and if the future of America is in the hands of our children then the future will be nothing more than a big screen monitor where we all will be playing games.

I am healthy today because when younger I used to go to town (from the sugar mill) to see my girl and then run all the way back home (around eight miles) about ten PM, buses stopped running at eight PM.

In the PT test in the Army I was the only one to be able to do eighteen pull ups and the only one with a perfect score of 500....but now? ufffffff not even one.

To be healthy does not mean to be in shape.

[Keef]

The only difference between me and you cuz, is if I am wrong, I will never know. And If you are wrong,, well,, it's ur nickel.

Nobody knows. Maybe someday we all find out, I hope for your sake we don't.

[Ash_Williams]

The only difference between me and you cuz, is if I am wrong, I will never know. And If you are wrong,, well,, it's ur nickel.

Nobody knows. Maybe someday we all find out, I hope for your sake we don't.

I know, it's kinda a pascal's wager thing and I'm taking the risky side.

I see it as this, though: I do something when I think it needs to be done. If my friend's husband is beating her, I don't sit around and pray for it to get better and find solace in the fact that she'll go to heaven. I do something about it, now, and things change. People are on this board, purchasing precious metals and making other preperations to secure their future. If the future they envision comes, these are the people who are going to be making a difference. They're the ones who are going to be answering their family and friend's prayers.

If there is a God, then I hope he'll be happier with people who prepare and help others and stand up against wrongness.

[Large Sarge]

Just my opinion here: I think the ruling freemasons are not Satan worshippers, or athiests, or anything. They are simply those who have realized that it doesn't matter if there's a God, because the fact that is much more useful is that other people believe that there is and faith, fear, and ritual are great ways of manipulating people. Religion and superstition can be used as powerful tools to make people do whatever you want, hate or kill whoever you want, and keep everyone from seeing who is pulling the strings.
.

Well, I am unsure about your freemason analogy, awhile back there was a post on the 33rd degree initiation to the masons, drinking out of skulls, denying jesus, etc (sounded pretty satanic to me, but I am no expert)

I think that most (below 33rd degree) freemasons are stooges, they have no idea how corrupt/evil the leaders are, they are just following orders....

[goldfish]

Just my opinion here: I think the ruling freemasons are not Satan worshippers, or athiests, or anything. They are simply those who have realized that it doesn't matter if there's a God, because the fact that is much more useful is that other people believe that there is and faith, fear, and ritual are great ways of manipulating people. Religion and superstition can be used as powerful tools to make people do whatever you want, hate or kill whoever you want, and keep everyone from seeing who is pulling the strings.

They gain opportunities every time something divides people and creates chaos. They win every time someone prays or thinks pleasant thoughts instead of doing something.

Exactly. The only real power they have is temporal. But people have been long-conditioned to not only believe, but fear anything to do with The Devil, The Occult, People Who Do Not Believe In Our God As We Define Him, etc.
They 'leak' out 'secret rituals' about drinking blood out of skulls to convince people that they really do serve some Devil Who Gives Them Power Beyond
Anything Of This World. Maybe they actually do do these things and maybe they themselves, or at least some of them, are actually delusional enough to believe it but it is still all smoke and mirrors.

It also serves to set up any group of the general populace who does not conform for targeting. Keep the people fearful and fighting amongst themselves.

What happened in Salem, Mass witch-hunt is instructive. All these years later we find out the girls were just victims of ergot poisoning--no devils involved.
Yet still today The Devil remains useful as ever.

[Ash_Williams]

Drinking out of skull and denying Jesus is not satanic if you see skulls as objects and Jesus as a historical figure. If the drinking from the skull or denying Jesus is something a person is not willing to do, it means that superstition or religion have power over them. I imagine the initiation to the 33rd degree is different for different people, each time confirming that that person truly has stopped believing whatever religion they were raised with.

Ok, how about a funny idea: You run into some small tribe after being lost in the jungle for days, your plane to France crashed or something. They seem like a nice type. One odd thing about them is that they have a village priest who must bless every meal they eat, in secret, with a chant that has been passed down through the generations. Only the priest and his son know this chant. The villagers know that if the chant is not said before they eat the food, their God will be unhappy and destory the village and everyone will be poisoned.

So, you hang out with these guys for a while. The food is good and the topless women are a bonus. One day a rabid tiger runs through the village and eats the priest and the kid. The villagers have a real problem now - the secret chant is lost and they can't eat without being destroyed.

Now, you're getting hungry after day two, so think up a bright idea. You run out of the dead priest's hut with a book. You tell the village leader guy that the priest knew how to write and had written down the secret ritual, and it's on these pages, and you can read so now you can perform the secret ritual and teach it to someone else. Sure, the book is just an english to french dictionary, but they don't know that. The leader guy is thrilled - he tells you to get in there and bless the food because they are hungry as hell.

So, you go in the hut alone, maybe chew on a snake for a while, then emerge and tell them the food is blessed and everything will be fine. You know nothing bad is going to happen if they eat the food, and they're happy because now they think you've said the chant and everything is cool with God. Next morning, no one is dead and the village isn't destroyed. This proves that you really did get the ritual right, and pleased their God. Now you own them. You can read that french-english dictionary which means you can tell the village what God wants. God wants an attractive virgin to participate in a ritual at your hut every night, and if anything bad happens to the village you tell them it's because the girl yesterday wasn't a real virgin or not attractive enough and they had better get it right next time.

And if any of the villagers smarten up, you turn the others against them. If they talk reasonably with each other then you may loose your power. However, if you polarize them so that the ones who beleive in your french-english dictionary know that everything else is wrong and will offend God, then they oppose the ones who know you are a fraud. Soon the groups will just fight each other about who is right while you continue to enjoy the meals and nail the virgins.

The worst threat to your power is the person who questions everything and has the balls to eat food that has not been blessed. You can not allow anyone to beleive that person. They must be discredited, or, you can ask them to join you and enjoy a lifestyle such as yours in return for keeping quiet.

[edjerider^]

I like the prayer my dear old Irish grannie taught me:
Lord, give me enough so that I need not steal; but not too much that I forget about YOU.

I think I would have got on ok with your grannie. That's a prayer I like to live by.
:smokin:

[Large Sarge]

Drinking out of skull and denying Jesus is not satanic if you see skulls as objects and Jesus as a historical figure. If the drinking from the skull or denying Jesus is something a person is not willing to do, it means that superstition or religion have power over them. I imagine the initiation to the 33rd degree is different for different people, each time confirming that that person truly has stopped believing whatever religion they were raised with.

Ok, how about a funny idea: You run into some small tribe after being lost in the jungle for days, your plane to France crashed or something. They seem like a nice type. One odd thing about them is that they have a village priest who must bless every meal they eat, in secret, with a chant that has been passed down through the generations. Only the priest and his son know this chant. The villagers know that if the chant is not said before they eat the food, their God will be unhappy and destory the village and everyone will be poisoned.

So, you hang out with these guys for a while. The food is good and the topless women are a bonus. One day a rabid tiger runs through the village and eats the priest and the kid. The villagers have a real problem now - the secret chant is lost and they can't eat without being destroyed.

Now, you're getting hungry after day two, so think up a bright idea. You run out of the dead priest's hut with a book. You tell the village leader guy that the priest knew how to write and had written down the secret ritual, and it's on these pages, and you can read so now you can perform the secret ritual and teach it to someone else. Sure, the book is just an english to french dictionary, but they don't know that. The leader guy is thrilled - he tells you to get in there and bless the food because they are hungry as hell.

So, you go in the hut alone, maybe chew on a snake for a while, then emerge and tell them the food is blessed and everything will be fine. You know nothing bad is going to happen if they eat the food, and they're happy because now they think you've said the chant and everything is cool with God. Next morning, no one is dead and the village isn't destroyed. This proves that you really did get the ritual right, and pleased their God. Now you own them. You can read that french-english dictionary which means you can tell the village what God wants. God wants an attractive virgin to participate in a ritual at your hut every night, and if anything bad happens to the village you tell them it's because the girl yesterday wasn't a real virgin or not attractive enough and they had better get it right next time.

And if any of the villagers smarten up, you turn the others against them. If they talk reasonably with each other then you may loose your power. However, if you polarize them so that the ones who beleive in your french-english dictionary know that everything else is wrong and will offend God, then they oppose the ones who know you are a fraud. Soon the groups will just fight each other about who is right while you continue to enjoy the meals and nail the virgins.

The worst threat to your power is the person who questions everything and has the balls to eat food that has not been blessed. You can not allow anyone to beleive that person. They must be discredited, or, you can ask them to join you and enjoy a lifestyle such as yours in return for keeping quiet.

I hope this cute little story is not an exercise in trying to excuse the numerous freemason contributions in moving to the NWO

What they do at their meeting is not really that relevant, dance around and get drunk (Woohoo)

its who is giving the marching orders? and what is the real intent?

Can you count how many presidents have been masons? How many judges? How many people of influence and power?

You seem to think it is all fun adn games, like little kids having a tea party.....

"Make believe tonight at the lodge, be there at midnight to sample refreshments"


like I said earlier, most of the lower masons are likely stooges, completely in the dark....

But who is giving the marching orders? What are they?

How does taking a blood oath that supercedes all other oaths effect your ability to defend the constitution?

[Ponce Cuba]

I am sure glad that we are getting more power at this forum what with you people reposting everything......must make you more secure.....I don't know.

[Prometheus]

Drinking out of skull and denying Jesus is not satanic if you see skulls as objects and Jesus as a historical figure. If the drinking from the skull or denying Jesus is something a person is not willing to do, it means that superstition or religion have power over them.

There is no middle ground Cousi. It is either of God or the devil. Light or dark. Good and evil.

Drinking out of skull (in and of itself) might not be evil if it's the only thing you have to use for a cup.

Denying Jesus is evil, that makes it satanic because it is an act of satan.

I can piss on your head and tell you it's raining. Even if you believe it's rain it doesn't change the fact your getting soaked with urine.

[lr777g62d]

Sarge, thanks for posting the article. I enjoy Makow's essays and concur with his position on many topics. There is a God and there is a Devil. However, our minds are unable to put substance to their being, so we anthropomorphise them into a human person with either a flowing white beard or dark goatee. But these two forces do have a spiritual and mystical reality and it is the connection they have with the human heart and soul that is of primary significance, and which has been attested to by certain rare intelects throughout the ages. Dostoyevsky comes to mind as one who understood this reality with painfull clarity. Both good and evil, God and Satan, exist and the battleground is demarked not by geographic territory, ideology or religion, but the human heart, each and every individual human heart. Both of these forces are forever locked in battle for ownership of our souls. Each human heart has a line cuting through it; on one side is good, the other evil. Through the excercise of our freewill choice we can push that line toward the good, or in our laziness we can let evil take prominence. This is the only battleground that ultimately matters in the end, and from which all other earthly conflicts derive their energy.

[lhslancers]

We are a product of our own creation...... and if the future of America is in the hands of our children then the future will be nothing more than a big screen monitor where we all will be playing games.

I am healthy today because when younger I used to go to town (from the sugar mill) to see my girl and then run all the way back home (around eight miles) about ten PM, buses stopped running at eight PM.

In the PT test in the Army I was the only one to be able to do eighteen pull ups and the only one with a perfect score of 500....but now? ufffffff not even one.

To be healthy does not mean to be in shape.


Ponce I feel ya man.

[Ash_Williams]

I think goldfish gets what I'm saying.

Sarge, I think you read my post in a way I didn't intend. I'm not trying to excuse anyone, only show how thinking in too narrow a fashion makes us easy to control. If they're running the world, the best thing for them is if everyone argues about them rather than with them, in the settings they have created. The public debate before an election is pointless if the two candidates are both pawns of the same organization, but it keeps the people busy. Republicans and Democrats will direct their anger towards each other and become more polarized as the debate continues. If there's two people in a room bothering me, and I know they oppose each other on some issue, then I'll bring up that issue and let them fight it out while I sit back and relax.

Prometheus... say I'm running some weird organization and I want to make sure Christians aren't joining. So, I tell everyone they have to deny Jesus before signing up. Job's done - Christians don't go for it and I get my way. So, it doesn't matter if there's a God, or if I'm serving Satan, or if aliens are breeding us as a food source... I still accomplish my goal.

Think of bullets and blanks. If I have a gun and the other guy beleives it's full of bullets - he'll probably give me his wallet. It doesn't matter if the gun really has bullets or blanks. Most of the time, it doesn't even matter if I know if the gun has bullets or blanks. I get the wallet either way, which is what I wanted. Someone else can spend their time figuring out what was actually in the gun while I go buy a case of beer.

[chewy]

"...God speaks to us through our spirit and conscience. We don't hear Him because our minds are like mirrors facing the world. We need to turn the mirror around so it faces the soul inside and shows its back to the world.
Instead of blotting up the world, which makes us weary and sick, we should focus on those things that reflect our inner purity and goodness.
Instead of letting the world determine what we think and therefore feel, we need to create our own world based on how we want to feel. That's what faith is all about, making spiritual reality paramount."

Wow. That was inspiring. I really like the part I quoted. Almost Buddist in a way.

[Jasper]

I was hooked on Makow for a long time but these days I'd much rather take the New Testament as a guide. There are many instances of Christ casting out devils in the NT. And we are told that the Prince of Darkness is the ruler of this world and well able to confer power and wealth on those who worship him. And looking at the horrific evil going on all around us today -- DU as an instrument of genocide being just one example -- it's hard to see the source of this evil as being anything other than demonic and our rulers as being in a very real sense 'possessed' (although they can also be understood as sociopaths and even psychopaths).

It's said that Satan's greatest success came when he convinced modern man that he doesn't exist.

[Large Sarge]

[quote=Cousi]I think goldfish gets what I'm saying.

Sarge, I think you read my post in a way I didn't intend. I'm not trying to excuse anyone, only show how thinking in too narrow a fashion makes us easy to control. If they're running the world, the best thing for them is if everyone argues about them rather than with them, in the settings they have created. The public debate before an election is pointless if the two candidates are both pawns of the same organization, but it keeps the people busy. Republicans and Democrats will direct their anger towards each other and become more polarized as the debate continues. If there's two people in a room bothering me, and I know they oppose each other on some issue, then I'll bring up that issue and let them fight it out while I sit back and relax.
quote]

I understand,

I think our time for relaxing is coming to an end, concentration camps being built by Halliburton, RFID chips, etc

The days of stretching out on the couch and watching the idiots fight amongst themselves is coming to an end
IMO

[Jasper]

Sarge, thanks for posting the article. I enjoy Makow's essays and concur with his position on many topics. There is a God and there is a Devil. However, our minds are unable to put substance to their being, so we anthropomorphise them into a human person with either a flowing white beard or dark goatee. But these two forces do have a spiritual and mystical reality and it is the connection they have with the human heart and soul that is of primary significance, and which has been attested to by certain rare intelects throughout the ages. Dostoyevsky comes to mind as one who understood this reality with painfull clarity. Both good and evil, God and Satan, exist and the battleground is demarked not by geographic territory, ideology or religion, but the human heart, each and every individual human heart. Both of these forces are forever locked in battle for ownership of our souls. Each human heart has a line cuting through it; on one side is good, the other evil. Through the excercise of our freewill choice we can push that line toward the good, or in our laziness we can let evil take prominence. This is the only battleground that ultimately matters in the end, and from which all other earthly conflicts derive their energy.

This is excellent. Yes. I'm not sure how I missed this but my last post should have been added as a note to yours.

[bigjon]

Good and evil, black and white, 1 and 0, yes and no, something and nothing, our binary two choice world, is it real?

The Tibetans say it's an illusion.

:bandit:

[Jasper]

The Tibetans say it's an illusion.

:bandit:

Yup. I know. That's why the phony New World Religion is based on Eastern notions. But the fact is that things are not illusory. They are very real. Try kicking a rock sometime. Real hard.

[bigjon]

Yup. I know. That's why the phony New World Religion is based on Eastern notions. But the fact is that things are not illusory. They are very real. Try kicking a rock sometime. Real hard.

When you are in the illusion, the rock hurts real bad.

[lr777g62d]

Thus shall ye think
of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn,
A bubble in a stream,
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp,
A phantom, and a dream.

Tibetan Buddhist Poem

[Keef]

I had a friend from Nam who believed in hell. (Army Ranger)

Late at night, out campin, he'd tell me stories you couldn't make up. Told me how he fragged two CO's to protect his own platoon. Told me how he rescued POW's in water baskets, their skin so fragile it would fall off and how giddy the former prisioners were when the choppers finally dusted off.

Told me how he went behind a palm tree to puke and cry the first time he killed a man (he was only 19), told me how he got used to killing, then how he got to the point where HE GOT OFF ON IT, in a sick way.

In the middle of his second tour he was relieved of duty for combat fatigue. (he wanted to stay there, he was in no shape to go home)

He then told me of the demons he faced alone in a cabin in Minnesota after the war. Told me shit so dark I reached me limit of what I could hear.

That man believed in hell, so who was I to question him?

(Contrast this to a philosophy class I was in where the professor asked the class, "who here believes in hell?" Not one hand went up. Now who would you believe? These green kids who barely know how to wipe the orifices of their own body or the man who knows what it means to stare death in the face and survive to talk about it? Your call.)




But I understand ur point Cuz, who needs Satan when our leaders are more than happy to use young men as cannon fodder? In that case, the devil has a rather redundant position, maybe once the battle starts he's just a figure head with no real duties.

[sheila]

Drinking out of skull and denying Jesus is not satanic if you see skulls as objects and Jesus as a historical figure. If the drinking from the skull or denying Jesus is something a person is not willing to do, it means that superstition or religion have power over them. I imagine the initiation to the 33rd degree is different for different people, each time confirming that that person truly has stopped believing whatever religion they were raised with.

Ok, how about a funny idea: You run into some small tribe after being lost in the jungle for days, your plane to France crashed or something. They seem like a nice type. One odd thing about them is that they have a village priest who must bless every meal they eat, in secret, with a chant that has been passed down through the generations. Only the priest and his son know this chant. The villagers know that if the chant is not said before they eat the food, their God will be unhappy and destory the village and everyone will be poisoned.

So, you hang out with these guys for a while. The food is good and the topless women are a bonus. One day a rabid tiger runs through the village and eats the priest and the kid. The villagers have a real problem now - the secret chant is lost and they can't eat without being destroyed.

Now, you're getting hungry after day two, so think up a bright idea. You run out of the dead priest's hut with a book. You tell the village leader guy that the priest knew how to write and had written down the secret ritual, and it's on these pages, and you can read so now you can perform the secret ritual and teach it to someone else. Sure, the book is just an english to french dictionary, but they don't know that. The leader guy is thrilled - he tells you to get in there and bless the food because they are hungry as hell.

So, you go in the hut alone, maybe chew on a snake for a while, then emerge and tell them the food is blessed and everything will be fine. You know nothing bad is going to happen if they eat the food, and they're happy because now they think you've said the chant and everything is cool with God. Next morning, no one is dead and the village isn't destroyed. This proves that you really did get the ritual right, and pleased their God. Now you own them. You can read that french-english dictionary which means you can tell the village what God wants. God wants an attractive virgin to participate in a ritual at your hut every night, and if anything bad happens to the village you tell them it's because the girl yesterday wasn't a real virgin or not attractive enough and they had better get it right next time.

And if any of the villagers smarten up, you turn the others against them. If they talk reasonably with each other then you may loose your power. However, if you polarize them so that the ones who beleive in your french-english dictionary know that everything else is wrong and will offend God, then they oppose the ones who know you are a fraud. Soon the groups will just fight each other about who is right while you continue to enjoy the meals and nail the virgins.

The worst threat to your power is the person who questions everything and has the balls to eat food that has not been blessed. You can not allow anyone to beleive that person. They must be discredited, or, you can ask them to join you and enjoy a lifestyle such as yours in return for keeping quiet.

Basic assumption when reading above: the food is cooked.

All animals pray before and during eating; the ritual is instinctive and cannot be dictated or taught.

[sheila]

I had a friend from Nam who believed in hell. (Army Ranger)

Late at night, out campin, he'd tell me stories you couldn't make up. Told me how he fragged two CO's to protect his own platoon. Told me how he rescued POW's in water baskets, their skin so fragile it would fall off and how giddy the got when the choppers lifted off.

Told me how he went behind a palm tree to puke and cry the first time he killed a man (he was only 19), told me how he got used to killing, then how he got to the point where HE GOT OFF ON IT, in a sick way.

In the middle of his second tour he was relieved for combat fatigue.

He than told me of the demons he faced alone in a cabin in Minnesota after the war. Told me shit so dark I reached me limit of what I could hear.

That man believed in hell, who was I to question him?




But I understand ur point Cuz, who needs Satan when our leaders are more than happy to use young men as cannon fodder? In that case, the devil has a rather redundant position, maybe once the battle starts he's just a figure head with no real duties.

Got a client who frustrates the hell out of me.

Sold him a bag of 90% after a two hour spiel about the benefits of silver.

He can't wait to sell it at $10 an ounce after making 30% on it during the last year or so.

I can't seem to get him 'round to the idea of financially protecting himself and his young family by embracing silver.

But his father was a veteran of Vietnam, who after living with the horrors and starting a young family jumped off a local bridge as penance.

The client (boy) lives with what the war had done to his father, his mother and brother, and himself.

I guess, looked at in that light, I can understand that this client has needs that run way beyond financially embracing anything.

Live for today, make your life and everyone else's life as miserable as possible and then self-destruct.

Teach your children well, their parents hell ...

[gpond]

Good and evil, black and white, 1 and 0, yes and no, something and nothing, our binary two choice world, is it real?

The Tibetans say it's an illusion.

:bandit:
Since we seem to be "going there"... allow me to share that last night I had a dream that the Government was nothing but a box/cage inside my head.

[Keef]

Since we seem to be "going there"... allow me to share that last night I had a dream that the Government was nothing but a box/cage inside my head.

Which is fine, until one of their goons shoots a taser in ur ass for not getting aboard the train to Haliburton Death Camp One.

[gpond]

"And, then I woke up..."