The Truth Shall Make You Mad

[Halophyte]

The Zionists hide under your Jewish umbrella and shout their hatefilled message from its relative safety and you Jews do nothing to kick them out.

You are just as guilty as the Zionists.


Tell me BJ, besides lip service, what have you done recently to "kick them out" ?


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[hoarder]

A war of ideas is best fought in the minds of men.

[Halophyte]

Yeah, that's about what I thought ...

[bigjon]

Tell me BJ, besides lip service, what have you done recently to "kick them out" ?


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What makes you think I'm trying to kick them out? ( I'm on the outside, it's not in my job description ) I'm only trying to point out some pretty obvious things.

In a Republic no one group can be exempt from criticism and the more powerful a group is the more necessary it is for all citizens to know about the actions of that group.

We currently have a form of creeping mind control, where certain of our citizens have adopted some programming that is false and they don't realize it.

They have been sold on the idea that it is improper to criticize any group as a whole and especially minority groups, while it is ok for some criticism of the majority (whites) group. They have allowed themselves to be dumbed down to the point that whenever they see any criticism of these minorities an automatic flag pops up in their mind, a big banner that shouts "hate speech, don't go here" and their minds shut down and focus on the originator of the (obvious to them) hate, to the exclusion of anything he might be trying to say.

An analogy to this is these people have been sold a new pair of eyeglasses which have long tubes on them, sort of like looking through a pair of binoculars and they are told don't worry about not being able to see on the periphery, these new glasses will allow you to focus better without all of the peripheral clutter. These people like their new glasses, which allow them to see the haters and will be in love with them until the MACK truck rolls over them from their blindside.

So, you see, I'm just trying to get people to take off those glasses and look past the banners that popup in their minds.

A similar banner that you have been trying (unsuccessfully) to get to pop up is the CONspiracy theory banner, but unfortunately for you it is obvious that you are the one who has the looniest CONspiracy theory.

[PatColo]

I´ve been waking slowly to the zionism thingee in the past couple years as I explored the red pill rabbit hole. Rivera´s putting dots together at WRH, and more recently Daryll B Smith´s rants at www.iamthewitness.com.

But nothing has been more of a wake-up catalyst than the state sponsored (US/Canada, EU) incarcerations of "holocaust deniers", another BS meme for academics who seek to investigate the real numbers WRT the haulocaust, in the face of more credible evidence which suggests between 1-2 million Jews were murdered, ultimately through the machinations of other more powerful Jews.

When a particular area of academic inquiry is so forbidden by the state, it begs the question, what do the state/PTB puppeteers have to hide? What critical loss do they fear from such an open academic debate?

Meanwhile Israel runs the world´s biggest concentration camp and undeclared ethnic cleansing program WRT their Palestinian and other Arab friends--- Arabs who are Semitic people same as Jews. (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101304_open_letters.shtml#exodus)

[jerry]

Arabs who are Semitic people same as Jews.

Most of the people you know as "Jews" have no ancestral connection to Semitic people.

They are actually an east asian people who later settled in an area currently known as southern Russia.

[Halophyte]

A similar banner that you have been trying (unsuccessfully) to get to pop up is the CONspiracy theory banner, but unfortunately for you it is obvious that you are the one who has the looniest CONspiracy theory.


What I usually follow is the money trail. In a fiat currency system everything is a money pyramid. All political followings are money pyramids. Everyone seeks to build their own little pyramid of followers that support them. While you may argue the merits of their cause it's still a matter of advertizement to sell ideas or goods. The more sensational, the more effective the advertizement.

This is what I look at first before joining or supporting any pyramid.


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[PatColo]

Most of the people you know as "Jews" have no ancestral connection to Semitic people.

They are actually an east asian people who later settled in an area currently known as southern Russia.


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101304_open_letters.shtml#exodus

The article I pointed to above is quite worthwhile, where Jewish PhD and FTW writer Jeremy Hecht pens an open letter to the ADL critisizing their smearing of 911-Truthers as anti-Semites (and what else is new?).

But my intent for pointing to it was more for the 2nd half, a passage from Ruppert's book, Crossing The Rubicon:

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The term "anti-Semitism" refers to a European social and political phenomenon (which, like much of European pre-WWII ideology, still lingers in some places, e.g. Japan). Anti-Jewish feeling, thought, and behavior are as old as monotheism itself, and have undergone almost as many transformations. There's the anti-Judaism of Late Antiquity; the massacres against Jews in the Crusades and the Inquisition, the murderous pogroms by rural European peasants in the 18th and 19th Centuries, the middle-class resentment, mythologizing, and persecution that led to the Dreyfuss Affair in the French 1890's, and a massive wave of hatred toward Jews that came upward from European folk ideology and downward from Fascist and rightist parties and governments in the first half of the 20th Century. Like all forms of bigotry, "Anti-Semitism" remains a serious problem all over the world. But the phrase itself has no real anthropological basis; it dates from the 1870's, when most European writers still divided up the world's peoples according to Biblical categories - "Semites" were thought to be descended from Noah's son Shem, while everybody else came from either Ham or Japhet. In fact, Antisemitismus was invented as part of an effort by German racist authors to replace the religion-based Jew-hatred (Judenhass) of the past with a more modern, ethnicity-driven contempt. Of course, this apparently intellectual construct barely masked a deep reservoir of anti-rational, virulent hatred. It formed the basis for the pseudo-scientific racism of the Nazi movement.

So the term shouldn't be used to refer to the attitudes of either side in the Arab-Israeli conflict, where it's misleading and inapt. As is often pointed out, Arabs and Jews are both called "Semitic" peoples. More importantly, "Anti-Semitism" is worse than useless in any discussion of Israeli domestic and international affairs. To talk about Israel as if its every citizen thought, felt, and acted as a unit in some giant monolithic crowd is as unfair as assuming that every American supports all of the U.S. government's actions, its economic policies, and its militarism with exactly the same degree of feeling and for exactly the same reasons. Clearly, within Israel there are hugely divergent opinions on everything including the occupied territories and settlements, Palestinian history and politics, the conduct of Israel's foreign and domestic policies, and the vexing issue of compulsory military service. And Israel has a sizeable antiwar movement opposing the invasion of Iraq by the U.S. So what is important (indeed, essential) to examine are the actions of the Israeli government, in exactly the same way that we have examined the actions of the U.S. government. Supporters of the state of Israel are often hysterically unable to tolerate that kind of critique, as though they know (all-too consciously in some cases, perhaps unconsciously in others) that a clear examination of Israel's national conduct reveals a pattern of stark horrors. This sort of denial is best maintained by ad hominem attacks, the most effective being the easy slander of anti-Semitism; if you're having any trouble preventing criticism of Israel, call the critic a bigot and it's all over.

Sometimes those reactions are triggered by the genuine anxiety that remains a permanent feature of Jewish life since the Holocaust. But it's very common for journalists (say, Chris Matthews), politicians, officials, and disinformationists to squander, sabotage, or abort an exceedingly important debate by turning on the red megaphone that warns against what isn't there.

To say that Israel did not perpetrate the attacks of 9/11 is not to deny that the Israeli government was very close to those attacks and may have played a role in them. There is evidence that points both ways. On the one hand it is clear that Mossad made several attempts to warn the U.S. government that the attacks were coming - in one case even providing the U.S. government with a list that included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammed Atta and that charmed pair, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almidhar. Everybody knew the attacks were coming. Yet even after this information was in American hands, various agencies of the U.S. government allowed Alhazmi and Almidhar to roam free and unmolested.

The analysis of insider trading by the Herzliya Institute for Counterterrorism (ICT) is another example of Israeli action pointing toward, rather than away from, evidence that the CIA knew what was going on and allowed the attacks to happen.

But perhaps the most compelling reason to discount assertions that Israel was the executor of the attacks is the following UPI story, which is one of the most overlooked bombshells in the whole 9/11 saga:

A leaked Federal Aviation Administration memo written on the evening of Sept. 11 contains disturbing revelations about American Airlines Flight 11, the first to hit the World Trade Center. The "Executive Summary," based on information relayed by a flight attendant to the American Airlines Operation Center, stated "that a passenger located in seat 10B shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B at 9:20 a.m. The passenger killed was Daniel Lewin, shot by passenger Satam Al Suqami." The FAA has claimed that the document is a "first draft," declining to release the final draft, as it is "protected information," noting the inaccuracies in reported times, etc. The final draft omits all mention of gunfire. Lewin, a 31 year-old dual American-Israeli citizen was a graduate of MIT and Israel's Technion. Lewin had emigrated to Israel with his parents at age 14 and had worked at IBM's research lab in Haifa, Israel. Lewin was a co-founder and chief technology officer of Akamai Technologies, and lived in Boston with his family. A report in Ha'aretz on Sept. 17 identified Lewin as a former member of the Israel Defense Force Sayeret Matkal, a top-secret counter-terrorist unit, whose Unit 269 specializes in counter-terrorism activities outside of Israel.

This particular story raises a multitude of questions. Guns were on the hijacked flights? How did they get there? Why have they not been mentioned? What was someone with Lewin's background doing sitting in front of one of the hijackers on the day of the hijackings? Was he still active? Mere coincidence is nearly impossible here. So the question becomes: did the hijackers - all nineteen of them - plan their activities to kill Lewin, or was Lewin following the hijackers even into the gates of death? Did they have to kill him to complete their mission? Who had penetrated whom, and who had compromised Lewin's presence on the plane hijacked by Mohammed Atta? One thing is absolutely clear from my vantage point: someone at the highest levels of the Israeli government deemed Lewin expendable.

Behind the fragile logic and the false rumors that thousands of Jews didn't show up for work at the World Trade Center on 9/11 lie deeper truths that raise darker questions. As a classic piece of disinformation, the rumor about Jews not showing up for work - latched onto by prejudiced and undisciplined minds - made it impossible to rationally discuss such things as the Zim Israeli-American shipping lines having vacated their offices in the World Trade Center just a week before the attacks and moving to Norfolk, Virginia. Two sources told me on condition of anonymity that Zim broke its lease to make the move.

The disinformation worked like a charm. Here's one example: an African-American poet, Amiri Baraka, nearly lost his post as Poet Laureate of New Jersey in an apparent reprisal for his embrace of this particular rumor. Just a month after 9-11, Baraka published "Somebody Blew Up America," a passionately internationalist poem against fascism in all its forms. But he didn't do enough homework, and a single line, "Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers / To stay home that day?" touched off a small storm of boring controversy that clogged much of the Black press, the Jewish press, and the regional mainstream press for weeks. It's unfortunately true (and rarely noted) that Baraka has written some very bigoted poems in the past 35 years, but "Somebody Blew Up America" is not one of them. Yet it's the one that got all the noise, and the whole episode helped to shut down any legitimate discussion of Israeli foreknowledge and possible involvement in 9-11. Those who believed the rumor think they needn't look further, and those who rejected it think the same, for opposite reasons.

[LodeRunner]

Well I realize that I'm new here and all, so let me start off with the things I agree with:

I agree that Jews disproportionally control much of the wealth, politics, and media in this country, and likely Western civilization. I agree that, like almost any group of people, they do self-serving things and promote self-serving lies or half-truths.

I agree that it is nothing short of despicable that most of the Western world locks people up for disagreeing over the holocaust--regardless of the facts, no one should ever be arrested for voicing an opinion, period. And finally, I must say that think that the stupidest thing the United States has ever done is support Israel. I don't care who had the right to that land (and the issue is decidedly murky), I don't care how openly malign and intolerant their Islamic neighbors have been, it was simply a stupid, reckless move to found a Jewish nation in that part of the world. They might as well have founded their nation in the Antartic and acted all surprised and complained when their toes started falling off from frostbite. I firmly believe that we should have just let them shoot themselves in the foot, and that our continued financial, political, and military support of them today is the major reason Islamic terrorists have targeted us.

On these last two points, I agree that some action should be taken. The United States should not be drawn into holy wars, and we should openly protest any instance of a person being imprisoned for merely their words.

But what do you want us to do about the rest of it?

People band together to make each other rich and to push agendas. It just happens. The Jews are pretty good at it... so is the secret society "Skull and Bones" (Bush, Kerry and many members of congress are members.) So was the Mafia. So are the Democrats and Republicans... ohhhhhh, the scam that they've got going is a sweet one indeed. Time after time, most notably in the past few presidential elections, the people are presented with two almost equally distasteful candidates and yet, since they cannot afford to "waste" their vote on anyone else, one of these assholes is inevitably elected. Same goes for congress and local governments, though on a smaller scale (independants do stand a small chance, if they're popular enough.) It would be so very trivial to abolish the electoral college, forbid the use of public facilities for party primaries, and use preferential or instant runoff voting (so that you can say "if X isn't elected, I'd rather have Z than Y"), but what Democrat or Republican would ever vote for such a thing? It's not in their best interests to admit that there may be more than two mindsets in the world. While we continue to use the adjective "left" or "right" for virtually any political or social belief, the rest of the world can only shake their heads and marvel that we can't allow even a single shade of gray in-between.

Possibly the single greatest success has been that group of people known as "Christians." They are everywhere. Their aggressive evangelical policies have historically destroyed too many religions and nations to count. I assure you, sir, that there are far more Christians in positions of power in this country than there are Jews. And yes, most are biased towards other Christians--they are even exclusive in some cases. I'm sure many of you are Christian and may be angered by what I say next, but realize that I am not attacking Christianty as a whole here, I am merely pointing out how many Christians abuse their power, just as many Jews abuse theirs. Whether it is "most" or "some" for either of these religions is debatable and entirely beside my point.

Some years ago, I myself had to quit a government job because my bosses and coworkers happened to be conservative Christians. For me, advancement was impossible, and I was subjected to all manner of slights and passive-aggressive attacks because I did not share their faith (I am agnostic/atheist, depending on your definition) Because I wore a Metallica T-shirt, rumors spread that I was a Satanist. Not even Marilyn Mason or anything, a freaking Metallica T-shirt! I did not advertise my faith (or lack thereof), I merely declined when people invited me to their churches. I complained to a coworker that I was long overdue for an advancement, and she asked me if I had prayed about it. I told her very politely no, I did not pray, and she looked at me as if I were leper. After watching FOUR openly Christian coworkers get promoted ahead of me, even though I had been working there longer, I quit. And like I said, this was a GOVERNMENT JOB...

Beyond mere favoritism, Christians have their own agendas to push.

First, they are passionately against human sexuality. Conservative Christians are second only to the Muslims when it comes to repressing perfectly natural desires. People can be dismembered on prime time TV but suddenly, after we see a 2-second flash of a half obscured nipple, fines for "obscenity" have increased BY AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE (from $27,500 to $275,000) and the FCC's definition of obscenity has broadened considerably. Yet, over 97% of the 500,000 complaints the FCC received were generated by ONE special-interest group whose name temporarily escapes me ( the Parents Television Counsel?) To put that in perspective, around 15,000 UNIQUE people in America were bothered enough to write the FCC a letter. 15,000 people works out to roughly 0.00005% of America. Yet this 0.00005% moral minority has the FCC completely wrapped around its finger, and thus has the power to censor what we see on the television and hear on the radio.

[Before we go any farther here, just for the record I'm strongly anti-gun control and anti-abortion, and I believe that most government welfare programs (for the poor AND for corporations) are a bad idea. I tell you this just so you know I'm not just mindless liberal hippie ranting here. My opinions are the result of careful consideration, not blind faith to one side of the false right vs. left dichotomy]

This isn't a problem in itself so much in itself (I could personally care less whether the networks are allowed to say "****" or show someone's ass) so much as a symptom of a much larger problem. In virtually every other Western country in the world, you can see naked people on TV. Hell, in many of them it's perfectly normal to see softcore porn after 10:00 PM. You are allowed to sunbathe nude or at at least topless. Teens know how pregnancy and condoms work, so these other nations generally don't have such horrible teen pregnancy rates. Meanwhile, in America we have stores in Georgia getting busted for selling vibrators, people still even occasionally getting arrested under sodomy laws. Christians fundementalists have turned gay marriage from a non-issue into *the* issue, even going so far as to try to get a constitutional amendment. If they're going to hell, fine! Let them go to hell. I'd rather they be happy productive members of society than try to force my heterosexual lifestyle onto them. No one's getting into heaven just because their favorite sin was outlawed. Yet Bush was probably re-elected on the basis of this issue alone, even though Kerry was also against gay marriage (though he was pro-"civil union".) Do you know how many times I think about gay sex on an average day? Zero. It doesn't cross my mind at all, because it doesn't interest me at all. Yet these fundies go on and on about the decadent gay lifestyle, even going to far as to spend serious time in gay bars and the like. They are obsessed with what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults-- they really should be asking themselves "why do I care?" Don't steal from me, don't sexually assault me, don't murder me, but I really don't care where you feel like sticking your johnson as long as I don't have to see it. If I happen to believe that homosexuality is immoral then I'll raise my children that way and hope for the best. There are infinitely more important problems for us to be worrying about.

The other major agenda pushed by fundementalist Christians is anti-science. Most of this is anti-evolution, though there are a lot of people against astronomy and geology and even radiology because these sciences all prove that the earth is much, much older than 5,000 years. The school board in Kansas recently overruled the objections of virtually every biologist and science teacher in the nation to include the philosophical/religious principle called "Intelligent Design" into the science classroom. For God's sake, Darwin has been dead for like a hundred years and we're still caught up in this BS? Evolution does not contradict Christianty. Look, if God exists then in the moment he said "Let there be light" he could have arranged so that humans would evolve. And yes, there could have even been a literal Adam and Eve, when a chromosomal split seperated them from the rest of the apes once and for all so that they could not interbreed. Every scientific fact strongly suggests that evolution happened, so why not say that it happened but that God did it?

Of course, now come the fundies that say Genesis is literally true, that it is not in any way metaphorical, so we couldn't have evolved. These are the most dangerous Christians of all, enemies of all who believe in things like sanity, rationality, and intelligence. There are TWO creation stories in Genesis. Read carefully: In the first story, man is created on day six. In the second, man is created after day seven. This cannot be literally true... but don't try to explain that to a fundementalist Christian.

As a direct result of this war on science, our nation has become intellectually barren in ways that extend far beyond biology. Asia and Europe produce far more science degrees per capita than us. Scientific fact is determined by politicians instead of scientists. There are very real evironmental issues right now, not some obscure pygmy toad on the brink of extinction, but, say, toxins in our air. We could lower the incidence of respitory illness in this country by demanding better air filters on our factories and power plants--in fact studies have shown that in major cities this reduction would more than pay for the cost of the filters by lowering the number of people with respitory illness treated under medicare/medicaid, yet Bush, bolstered by his religious-inspired ability to completely disregard the facts, has fought against making such filters mandatory.

The amount of sunlight that reaches the earth's surface today is about 10% dimmer than it was in 1950. 10% of our sunlight is now being absorbed by particles we've released into the atmosphere. True scientific fact, proven in a peer-reviewed study. But that doesn't matter--fundementalist Christianity's war on science has rendered it and many other facts oh so meaningless. If they can pay off just one scientist to go against what 99% of the other scientists say, congress gets their way. I guess their reasoning is if evolution is wrong, than anything can be wrong...

My point is that these are all very real issues that Christians are directly responsible for. Jews are responsible for Israel (which is admittedly a fairly big problem) and people getting locked up for saying the holocaust didn't happen or it happened a little differently. These are irritating, but no where near as powerful and dangerous as Christianity's influence in this country. If you are a Christian then you probably disagree--I must humbly suggest that maybe, just maybe, you are a tad biased. Like I said before, not all Christians are the problem, just as not all Jews are the problem.

The rela problem is close-mindedness. The real problem is blind allegiance to dogma. The real problem is that it is human nature to try to get ahead in life, and people use their affiliations to do just that. There are a half dozen business around my town that loudly advertise they are Christian-owned. Now replace "Christian" with "Jew" and see if that wouldn't upset you just a tad. Christians going out of their way to patronize Christian businesses--I'm sure it happens with Jews too, but at least they aren't so brazen about it. The freemasons play favorites with freemasons, the skull and bones pick most of their members from a only dozen different "old money" families, the blacks, hispanics, and whites mostly hang out with their own race... in what way are Jews so special, so terrible?

Israel. That's the only thing I can think of, and again, I must admit that it's a biggie. So let's just tell Israel to go **** itself and call it a day, alright?

Other than that, I think Jews are no more offensive than any other religious/ethnic groups in the country today. Yeah they've got money, so what? I don't believe that they're playing by any rules that the Christians aren't, and if they didn't have the money then a small group of Christians inevitably would.

The Truth Shall Make You Mad...

Well IMHO, you aren't quite mad enough. :D

[Large Sarge]

@Loderunner,

perhaps the following info will help you understand who controls the media, and other critical areas in the U.S./Western world

[ The following, by Eustace Mullins was written as an Epilogue to The World's Troublemakers, by Bruce Brown]

One of the oldest legends in history is the story of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, who appear just before some great catastrophe, as a warning to all the world. From time immemorial, the Four Horsemen have stood for War, Famine, Pestilence and Death. Today, in these apocalyptic times, the Four Horsemen appear before us as prominent television personalities, masquerading as Christian patriots (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/britishisraelhiddenhand10jul05.shtml) while they carry out their stealthy task of propagandizing for the State of Israel and the maintenance of the power of the biological parasite over its Christian host nations.

These Four Horsemen are Billy James Hargis, Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell.

Each of these men has made his reputation as a preacher of "fundamentalist Christianity". Amazingly enough, the most fundamental belief which each of them propounds is that we must "love" the Jews, and we must support the bandit State of Israel in its massacres of Arab women and children in Israel's peace-loving neighboring countries. So terrible is the personal tragedy of each of these Four Horsemen that it illustrates with merciless clarity the apocalyptic or endtime situation into which we have been moved.

We must understand from the awful manner in which these men have been destroyed that it is a true presage of the Apocalypse. Now, what is the
Apocalypse? It is from the Greek word apokalypsis, meaning "the Unveiling" or "the Revelation". The national prominence of these four pro-Jewish
propagandists [allegedly] presages the temporary rule by the Prince of Evil who is also knows as Satan, Belial or Anti-Christ. [see The Greatest Hoax
for clarification here]

To understand why these four men, who between them rake in some five hundred million dollars a year, presage the Coming of the Apocalypse, we
have to know their origins, and who put them in a position of power from which they could bamboozle five hundred million dollars a year from
well-meaning Christian Americans to finance their propaganda for the State of Israel.

It has long been common knowledge since the incorporation of the three major national television networks that each of them was owned, operated and controlled by Jews, and that no Christian patriot would be allowed to appear on any of the Jewish networks to preach the true doctrine of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, "who had walked in fear of Jewry, for they sought to kill Him". How then, did these supposed Christian patriots gain admittance to the private preserves of world Jewry, the American television system?

It is well known that the Jew in his natural function as a biological parasite, must not only control the thoughts of his host people if he is to survive, but he must also establish their thought patterns and maintain supervision of them. Thus, the gentiles, or host people, are taught to respect and obey the smaller, weaker parasitic organism which is taking his sustenance, making him ill, and slowly destroying him. The entire host-parasite relationship flouts the most basic law of nature, the instinct of survival and of self-preservation. The Jew, being numerically weaker, must if he is to survive, train the host to tolerate his presence, and to allow him to control the host.

[Consider the race/religious/political persuasion of the majority stockholders in the Federal Reserve Bank, and consider how for tens of decades the debt monetary system in which we live has sucked the life blood from hundreds of millions of people. This system, under the International Monetary Fund/World Bank has been implemented world wide. Puppet leaders installed in each nation forsaking all that is good and right to present on a 'golden platter' the people in their respective nations as collateral for the ever-building national dept. Swapping debt for equity, i.e., pledging the natural resources, land and labor of the citizens as collateral against the usury-bearing "loans". What is loaned to these nations? Debt notes. Insane? Yes, and true... here in America and all over the world. jp].

Shabez Goi
The first step is to destroy the host people's native leadership, the Alfalfa Bill Murrays and Ezra Pounds, who warn their people against the poisonous presence of the Jew. The Jew then recruits from the weakest and most depraved of the host people a new ruling class, known as the "shabez goi", or Sabbath gentile cattle". These servile and contemptible people live well as long as they do the bidding of the Jews, but at the first objection to some particularly dastardly deed which the Jews demand they carry out against their own people, they are immediately cast down and destroyed.

The shabez goi always have in their degenerate backgrounds a 'Panama', a sexual or financial scandal which the Jews use as a hold over them. The 'new class', or shabez goi, are the epitome of the living lie, with their insidious conspiracies on behalf of the secret government of the parasites. In their world, the virtues of manliness, strength and honor are ridiculed and despised.

This explains why Hargis, Graham, Robertson and Falwell were allowed to appear on national television to influence and control millions of people in the host nation. To overcome the criticism that all of the television networks were owned and controlled by Jews, even including the Public Broadcasting Service, whose President is a Jew, we were suddenly notified of the establishment of a "Christian Broadcasting Network".

At last, or so it seemed, the Christians of America would have their own christian television network on which they could observe the tenets of the Christian religion. They could escape the filth and the Communist propaganda of the Jewish networks. Or so it seemed. And when the CBN began its daily broadcasting, what was its daily message? We must love the Jews. We must support the State of Israel in all its depredations and its immoral devastation of the Holy Christian Shrines in the Birthplace of Our Saviour. We must help the Jews, and we must, above all, avoid the greatest sin, the sin of "anti-Semitism", whatever that is. Even the Jewish networks do not broadcast as blatantly pro-Jewish propaganda as the Christian Broadcasting Network.

Federal/National Council of Churches
To further understand why these Four Horsemen were promoted by the Jews to their present positions of affluence and prominence, we must remember that for many years, the principal "religious" agency which the Zionists and the Communists used to maintain thought control over the
American people was the National Council of Churches.

In "The Rockefellers" by Peter Collier and David Horowitz, p. 155n, we are told that :
"In 1950 the Federal Council of churches merged with twelve Protestant missionary agencies to form the National Council of Churches, with Rockefeller providing the initial capital to fund a wide-ranging study of organizational structures for the new group and donating a large parcel of land near Riverside Church for its headquarters".
Although no figure is given, the Rockefellers funded the National Council of Churches with many millions of dollars.

A classic shabez goi operation, the National Council of Churches (NCC) was staffed by impeccably groomed graduates of Ivy League colleges, many of whom married into the Rockefeller family or its immediate executive group. One Rockefeller trustee, Dean Rusk, was forced to give his white daughter in marriage to a strapping black man, the final humiliation for this old Southern family.

From the outset, the thinly veiled missionary goal of the National Council of Churches was to destroy the white race. In the United States, this was to be done by forced integration of the races in their schools, churches and homes, and in the first step towards this goal, it was necessary for them to murder the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, Fred Vinson, to overcome his opposition to forced school integration.

In Africa, every white settlement was to be destroyed or to be brought under black domination. To this end, the national Council of Churches purchased arms for the most vicious black gorilla groups throughout Africa, and trained them to massacre white settlers without mercy.

By 1980, most of the goals of the National Council of Churches had been achieved. With the exception of a small white enclave in South Africa, the white settlements in Africa had largely been exterminated in a well-planned and executed program of racial genocide. [Today - the whites that were left are now leaving south Africa]

But the NCC had come under much criticism for its program of arming the murderous black guerillas, and for its well-publicized programs in the United States promoting drug use, homosexuality, Communist fronts and forced racial integration. It was time for the NCC to retreat under attack, and for new front groups to be formed and financed by the Satanic forces.

If the National Council of Churches had been so successful in achieving its goals, would not an even more fundamental Christian front be even more useful in promoting the program of Satan? Certainly there were plenty of shabez goi wretches to be found who would be glad to do anything for money. The new "fundamentalists" sounded very good in their initial >programs. They preached against drug usage, homosexuality, abortion and
fornication. In short, everything which the previous Rockefeller front, the NCC, had stood for. It seemed that a new era had begun, an era in which the Christians of America would rejoice in the celebration of the most basic tenets of their religion. Alas, it was not to be. The "fundamentalist Christians" always wound up their preachments with the universal admonition, "We must be good to the Jews. And we must always support eh State of Israel".

When the American people, in all their majesty, rose up on November 4, 1980, and voted out of office many of the most degenerate of the Satanic
stooges in Washington, expressing their righteous indignation and disgust with the most notorious of the shabez goi at the polling booths, the Rockefellers' new stooges, the "fundamentalist Christians", immediately tried to seize credit for the victory. In fact, the Israeli stooges had little direct impact on the election.

Billy James Hargis
Let us look more closely at our Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, whose programs are designed to prevent the Holy Shrines of Christ from being taken from the Jews and returned to Christian hands. First is the notorious Billy James Hargis, a confidence man so smooth that he even managed to get sizeable donations from the late patriot H.L. Hunt, until Hunt's agents discovered Hargis' unsavory practices. Hargis always needed plenty of money to finance his expensive sexual debauches. This "patriot" had a penchant for committing perverse sexual acts with handsome white boys. Being under constant threat of exposure, he needed to expend large sums of money in order to continue his filthy pursuits.

He insured a constant flow of money to his "religious" work by acting as an unregistered agent for the State of Israel. He repeatedly exhorted his Christian followers to defend the State of Israel, and to uphold the "right" of the Jews to expel or massacre the Arab families who had owned the land for thousands of years. Despite his personal predilections for white youths as his sexual partners, Billy James Hargis also embraced the Rockefeller doctrine of racial integration, and he used his preachments of "fundamental christianity" to persuade his followers to adopt hordes of mulatto, black and Asiatic illegitimate children and to bring them to the United States to further pollute our nation.

Although Hargis' sexual perversions were well known, and were even the subjects of stories in such national magazines as Time and Newsweek, the man was so utterly without shame that he refused to get off his lucrative gravy train. Instead, with the full approval of his Jewish backers, he has continued as a full time fund raiser, ignoring the national exposes' of his notorious personal habits, a typical shabez goi.

Billy Graham
The second of our Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Billy Graham (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula5Bchap.shtml), has been even more shameless in his promotion if Israeli political goals than Billy James Hargis. Billy Graham, as a young, struggling preacher, suddenly was promoted into national prominence. How did this happen? (http://educate-yourself.org/lte/billygrahamfanchaffsatbirtishisrael27nov05.shtml) Billy Graham and his ambitions came to the attention of William Randolph Hearst, the publishing tycoon. Without giving any explanation for his action, Hearst dispatched a terse note to his editors, "Puff Graham". This order went out to newspapers all over the United States which were owned by
Hearst.

With this backing, Billy Graham became an overnight sensation. He soon began to lard his preachments about Christianity with many strange and
unfounded statements about the Jews. He was the first Christian in the United States to publicly advance the biblical claims of the Jews to the Holy Land, claims which were prepared for him by the Anti-Defamation League of B'Nai B'Rith, with whom he has always worked very closely. Graham's
claims ignore the entire history of the Jewish people, the Zionist settlers being direct descendants of a tribe, the Khazars, who lived in central Russia and who had never had any connection with Palestine. Ben Freedman first exposed the geographical origin of Khazar Jewish Zionists some thirty years ago, and his work was fully confirmed by a famous Jewish intellectual, Arthur Koestler, in "The Thirteenth Tribe".

Jerry Falwell
Although Billy Graham's passionate love for the State of Israel was never matched by his concern for the United States, he has become an elder
statesman who is preparing to retire with his millions to his palatial mountain estate in North Carolina. As Graham's successor as the leading Israeli stooge, the Jews have been grooming Rev. Jerry Falwell of Lynchburg, Virginia. Like Graham, Falwell was recruited from the Anglo-Saxon heartland of America, the Southern Appalachians. He came from what is known as a 'rough' background. His father and uncle, twin brothers, operated roadside 'tourist cabins' on the outskirts of Lynchburg.

As was customary in the nineteen thirties, these cabins came complete with prostitutes, liquor and gambling. During a quarrel over the division of the lucrative "take" from these operations, Falwell's father shot and killed his brother. Because he had been paying off local law enforcement officials who allowed him to operate these enterprises, Falwell escaped punishment for his crime. He later died an alcoholic. Young Jerry Falwell was to have been named Valedictorian of his high school class, but was denied the distinction after school officials learned that for an entire year he had been lunching with bogus tickets. His schooling stood him in a good stead after he began to rake in a million dollars a week with his television program, "The Old Time Gospel Hour".

In 1973, the Securities and Exchange Commission charged him with "fraud and deceit" in selling $6,600,000.00 in church bonds. An out of court settlement provided that Falwell would turn over supervision of his financial operations to a group of businessmen. The head of the SEC who has launched the investigation into Falwell's operations was a Jew. Falwell got the message. He soon became known as an enthusiastic supporter
of the State of Israel, and there were no further investigations into his financial operation.

Jewish Week, February 10, 1980, headlined "TV Evangelist Denounces Misguided Foes of Israel. Dr. Jerry Falwell, Christian evangelist who supports Israel and contributes to the Jewish National Fund headquarters at 42 E. 69th St. (New York City) on the occasion of an announcement that a Jerry Falwell Forest was to be created in Israel, Falwell. . . denounced anti-Semitism and declared that anyone who wishes to destroy Israel "stands against God'. . . Falwell said that he loves Israel and the jewish people because God loves them and that the enemies of Israel and the Jewish people are enemies of God".

One can only wonder if the contributors to Falwell's "Christian work" Know that he contributes money to the Jewish National fund. In his own paper, Moral Majority Report, Falwell proudly published a photograph of himself visiting with the world's arch-terrorist, and notorious mass murderer and former Prime Minister of Israel, Menachem Begin.

Pat Robertson
The fourth of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Pat Robertson, claims that he had only $1.75 in his pocket when he founded the Christian Broadcasting Network. He has managed to parlay that stake into millions of dollars a week, a splendid office building, and the other appurtenances of
national prominence and affluence. Like the other Four Horsemen, Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network repeatedly exhorts his listeners
to love the Jews and to support the State of Israel.

His political stance is more understandable when we learn that he is the son of the late Senator A. Willis Robertson (D. Virg.) A loyal and lifelong supporter of the Byrd machine in Virginia, robertson was a Congressman until he was named the successor to the famous Jewish Stooge, Senator Carter Glass, who had been totally senile and unable to answer a rollcall for eight year. Not only was his mental condition considered to be no handicap by his Jewish masters, but they even reelected him to another term!

The Byrd machine, of course, was operate by Harry Byrd's mentor, Lewis Lichtenstein Strauss, a partner of the international Jewish banking house of Kuhn, Loeb Co., the American representative of the Rothschild family interests. Byrd named Robertson as his successor to the chairmanship of the prestigious Senate Banking and currency Committee. In his post, Robertson faithfully carried out the desires of his Jewish banking masters. Should we wonder that his son found that public support for the State of Israel would bring in a million dollars a week?

The public activities of these Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse should serve to warn us of approaching war, famine, pestilence and death. Let us be courageous and hold fast to our true Faith in Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and let us not be misled by these propagandists for the State of
Israel.

[LodeRunner]

Again, you continually assert that the Jews control everything. I am asking, how many of those people in charge of, for example, the networks were actually Christian? I'll be very surprised if it's less than 50%. The Christians have just as much control as the Jews, if not more.

There may will be Christian-Jew alliances, but the Jews don't control everything, nor could they force the Christians to do their bidding. There just aren't enough of them to go around. Besides, I just don't think they're that much cleverer than everyone else--you seem to be trying to convice us that they're superior. I mean they'd have to be, right, if so few could manipuate so many so thoroughly?

Finally, I'm tired of the whole putting-the-Palestinians-on-a-pedestal thing. There was no such thing as Palistine when Israel was formed. The entire place was a loose collection of tribes with no overarching nation, and to my knowledge Israel did not forcibly kick anyone off of their land. I don't think it was terribly right (nor smart) to create a nation on top of another culture, but there was no Palestine to kick anyone out of. Certainly, the Israelis were a lot more humane than we were to the Native Amercians a couple hundred years ago. Again, that doesn't excuse their ramptant stupidity for doing it in the first place, but it wasn't an invasion. The British controlled the area at the time, there was no historical nation of any sort, some Jews started moving in and then very inexplicably and stupidly everyone but the Muslims decided to recognize them as a nation. It was stupid to move there and it was stupider to become a formal nation, but it wasn't overly cruel. Now, present day I'm sure there's all kinds of cruelties on both sides, but I do not believe the Jews went looking for a fight.

The whole thing just reeks of such idiocy that I can't entertain the notion that the Jews are these super-intelligent overlords that planned it all along. If we hadn't been willing to sell them weapons they would have been annihilated.

I'm not even gonna touch the whole racist angle of that thing you posted. Anglo-Saxons are nothing special. I prefer brunettes anyway.

[hoarder]

Loderunner,
Who is "you"?
Whose message are you replying to/referring to?

[LodeRunner]

I was replying to the post immediately prior to mine, posted by Large Sarge.

[Large Sarge]

Loderunner,
Who is "you"?
Whose message are you replying to/referring to?

I think he is making a generalization hoarder,

just because Jews own all the media sources in the U.S. does not mean they actually control what people see and hear....

:cool1:

:thumpdown

something to that effect....

[Large Sarge]

I was replying to the post immediately prior to mine, posted by Large Sarge.

so you are saying that just because Jews own all the Mainstream media sources in the U.S., it has no bearing on what is actually happening (we can get into what the Jews also own/control later, like Banking, Govt, etc)

a handful of jews determine the viewing pleasure of 300 million Americans, and this has no inlfuence...

please explain.....

[hoarder]

Loderunner,
Try to see things from a strictly stategic angle. Forget about value systems and morals for a minute.
A covertly dominant group with higher intellect yet smaller population finds the oppositions weakness..credulity... They use mass media as a herding tool.
How do people herd cattle and sheep? It's not very different from how Khazars herd the goyim.

When cattle are being herded to slaughter that think they are acting on their own behalf. They think there is safety in numbers. When the horsemen keep them heading in the direction of the stockyards they think they are getting away from the horsemen. They think the herd is going in the direction of freedom.

Media is a powerful herding tool.Virtually all the major networks are under Jewish control.
One sheepherder can control several sheep dogs with his whistles shouts and body language, in turn, each dog can control hundreds of sheep.

There are no major newspapers, news magazines or radio stations that are not under the control of the clever tribe, not in the USA.

A chain breaks at it's weakest link. A nation that spends billions on defense yet allows a foreign entity to control most of the information, influence and entertaiment does not have any autonomy of it's own. It is merely a colony.

Control the mind, control the body. Control the body and you control it's weapons. Goyim are so gullible.

[Large Sarge]

as a good case in point, witness 9/11 coverup...

to this day no MSM will touch the truth..

Why?

seems like your newspaper sales would skyrocket or your market share would triple or more, if you broke the story that "Explosives were used on 9/11"

yet all we hear is silence....

Scientists, Govt officials, Engineers, etc all say it was impossible to happen the way they say it did, and yet MSM ignores the truth....

Why?

[Halophyte]

The same folks who complain about the biblical inventors of usury, and the corp entities that now control it, and the lineage of suit and ties that hide behind the corp entities to wheel its power, to endenture into servitude those who use it, to pit nation against nation, to fund and profit in the organized violence of war - also seek to benefit from it's existance.

While these folks maintain a sharp eye of vigilance against such manipulation, plunder and injustice, their vision seems to fail them at their own doorstep.


- jmo

[Libertarian_Guard]

Well I realize that I'm new here and all, so let me start off with the things I agree with:

I agree that Jews disproportionally control much of the wealth, politics, and media in this country, and likely Western civilization. I agree that, like almost any group of people, they do self-serving things and promote self-serving lies or half-truths.

I agree that it is nothing short of despicable that most of the Western world locks people up for disagreeing over the holocaust--regardless of the facts, no one should ever be arrested for voicing an opinion, period. And finally, I must say that think that the stupidest thing the United States has ever done is support Israel. I don't care who had the right to that land (and the issue is decidedly murky), I don't care how openly malign and intolerant their Islamic neighbors have been, it was simply a stupid, reckless move to found a Jewish nation in that part of the world. They might as well have founded their nation in the Antartic and acted all surprised and complained when their toes started falling off from frostbite. I firmly believe that we should have just let them shoot themselves in the foot, and that our continued financial, political, and military support of them today is the major reason Islamic terrorists have targeted us.

On these last two points, I agree that some action should be taken. The United States should not be drawn into holy wars, and we should openly protest any instance of a person being imprisoned for merely their words.

But what do you want us to do about the rest of it?

People band together to make each other rich and to push agendas. It just happens. The Jews are pretty good at it... so is the secret society "Skull and Bones" (Bush, Kerry and many members of congress are members.) So was the Mafia. So are the Democrats and Republicans... ohhhhhh, the scam that they've got going is a sweet one indeed. Time after time, most notably in the past few presidential elections, the people are presented with two almost equally distasteful candidates and yet, since they cannot afford to "waste" their vote on anyone else, one of these assholes is inevitably elected. Same goes for congress and local governments, though on a smaller scale (independants do stand a small chance, if they're popular enough.) It would be so very trivial to abolish the electoral college, forbid the use of public facilities for party primaries, and use preferential or instant runoff voting (so that you can say "if X isn't elected, I'd rather have Z than Y"), but what Democrat or Republican would ever vote for such a thing? It's not in their best interests to admit that there may be more than two mindsets in the world. While we continue to use the adjective "left" or "right" for virtually any political or social belief, the rest of the world can only shake their heads and marvel that we can't allow even a single shade of gray in-between.

Possibly the single greatest success has been that group of people known as "Christians." They are everywhere. Their aggressive evangelical policies have historically destroyed too many religions and nations to count. I assure you, sir, that there are far more Christians in positions of power in this country than there are Jews. And yes, most are biased towards other Christians--they are even exclusive in some cases. I'm sure many of you are Christian and may be angered by what I say next, but realize that I am not attacking Christianty as a whole here, I am merely pointing out how many Christians abuse their power, just as many Jews abuse theirs. Whether it is "most" or "some" for either of these religions is debatable and entirely beside my point.

Some years ago, I myself had to quit a government job because my bosses and coworkers happened to be conservative Christians. For me, advancement was impossible, and I was subjected to all manner of slights and passive-aggressive attacks because I did not share their faith (I am agnostic/atheist, depending on your definition) Because I wore a Metallica T-shirt, rumors spread that I was a Satanist. Not even Marilyn Mason or anything, a freaking Metallica T-shirt! I did not advertise my faith (or lack thereof), I merely declined when people invited me to their churches. I complained to a coworker that I was long overdue for an advancement, and she asked me if I had prayed about it. I told her very politely no, I did not pray, and she looked at me as if I were leper. After watching FOUR openly Christian coworkers get promoted ahead of me, even though I had been working there longer, I quit. And like I said, this was a GOVERNMENT JOB...

Beyond mere favoritism, Christians have their own agendas to push.

First, they are passionately against human sexuality. Conservative Christians are second only to the Muslims when it comes to repressing perfectly natural desires. People can be dismembered on prime time TV but suddenly, after we see a 2-second flash of a half obscured nipple, fines for "obscenity" have increased BY AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE (from $27,500 to $275,000) and the FCC's definition of obscenity has broadened considerably. Yet, over 97% of the 500,000 complaints the FCC received were generated by ONE special-interest group whose name temporarily escapes me ( the Parents Television Counsel?) To put that in perspective, around 15,000 UNIQUE people in America were bothered enough to write the FCC a letter. 15,000 people works out to roughly 0.00005% of America. Yet this 0.00005% moral minority has the FCC completely wrapped around its finger, and thus has the power to censor what we see on the television and hear on the radio.

[Before we go any farther here, just for the record I'm strongly anti-gun control and anti-abortion, and I believe that most government welfare programs (for the poor AND for corporations) are a bad idea. I tell you this just so you know I'm not just mindless liberal hippie ranting here. My opinions are the result of careful consideration, not blind faith to one side of the false right vs. left dichotomy]

This isn't a problem in itself so much in itself (I could personally care less whether the networks are allowed to say "****" or show someone's ass) so much as a symptom of a much larger problem. In virtually every other Western country in the world, you can see naked people on TV. Hell, in many of them it's perfectly normal to see softcore porn after 10:00 PM. You are allowed to sunbathe nude or at at least topless. Teens know how pregnancy and condoms work, so these other nations generally don't have such horrible teen pregnancy rates. Meanwhile, in America we have stores in Georgia getting busted for selling vibrators, people still even occasionally getting arrested under sodomy laws. Christians fundementalists have turned gay marriage from a non-issue into *the* issue, even going so far as to try to get a constitutional amendment. If they're going to hell, fine! Let them go to hell. I'd rather they be happy productive members of society than try to force my heterosexual lifestyle onto them. No one's getting into heaven just because their favorite sin was outlawed. Yet Bush was probably re-elected on the basis of this issue alone, even though Kerry was also against gay marriage (though he was pro-"civil union".) Do you know how many times I think about gay sex on an average day? Zero. It doesn't cross my mind at all, because it doesn't interest me at all. Yet these fundies go on and on about the decadent gay lifestyle, even going to far as to spend serious time in gay bars and the like. They are obsessed with what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults-- they really should be asking themselves "why do I care?" Don't steal from me, don't sexually assault me, don't murder me, but I really don't care where you feel like sticking your johnson as long as I don't have to see it. If I happen to believe that homosexuality is immoral then I'll raise my children that way and hope for the best. There are infinitely more important problems for us to be worrying about.

The other major agenda pushed by fundementalist Christians is anti-science. Most of this is anti-evolution, though there are a lot of people against astronomy and geology and even radiology because these sciences all prove that the earth is much, much older than 5,000 years. The school board in Kansas recently overruled the objections of virtually every biologist and science teacher in the nation to include the philosophical/religious principle called "Intelligent Design" into the science classroom. For God's sake, Darwin has been dead for like a hundred years and we're still caught up in this BS? Evolution does not contradict Christianty. Look, if God exists then in the moment he said "Let there be light" he could have arranged so that humans would evolve. And yes, there could have even been a literal Adam and Eve, when a chromosomal split seperated them from the rest of the apes once and for all so that they could not interbreed. Every scientific fact strongly suggests that evolution happened, so why not say that it happened but that God did it?

Of course, now come the fundies that say Genesis is literally true, that it is not in any way metaphorical, so we couldn't have evolved. These are the most dangerous Christians of all, enemies of all who believe in things like sanity, rationality, and intelligence. There are TWO creation stories in Genesis. Read carefully: In the first story, man is created on day six. In the second, man is created after day seven. This cannot be literally true... but don't try to explain that to a fundementalist Christian.

As a direct result of this war on science, our nation has become intellectually barren in ways that extend far beyond biology. Asia and Europe produce far more science degrees per capita than us. Scientific fact is determined by politicians instead of scientists. There are very real evironmental issues right now, not some obscure pygmy toad on the brink of extinction, but, say, toxins in our air. We could lower the incidence of respitory illness in this country by demanding better air filters on our factories and power plants--in fact studies have shown that in major cities this reduction would more than pay for the cost of the filters by lowering the number of people with respitory illness treated under medicare/medicaid, yet Bush, bolstered by his religious-inspired ability to completely disregard the facts, has fought against making such filters mandatory.

The amount of sunlight that reaches the earth's surface today is about 10% dimmer than it was in 1950. 10% of our sunlight is now being absorbed by particles we've released into the atmosphere. True scientific fact, proven in a peer-reviewed study. But that doesn't matter--fundementalist Christianity's war on science has rendered it and many other facts oh so meaningless. If they can pay off just one scientist to go against what 99% of the other scientists say, congress gets their way. I guess their reasoning is if evolution is wrong, than anything can be wrong...

My point is that these are all very real issues that Christians are directly responsible for. Jews are responsible for Israel (which is admittedly a fairly big problem) and people getting locked up for saying the holocaust didn't happen or it happened a little differently. These are irritating, but no where near as powerful and dangerous as Christianity's influence in this country. If you are a Christian then you probably disagree--I must humbly suggest that maybe, just maybe, you are a tad biased. Like I said before, not all Christians are the problem, just as not all Jews are the problem.

The rela problem is close-mindedness. The real problem is blind allegiance to dogma. The real problem is that it is human nature to try to get ahead in life, and people use their affiliations to do just that. There are a half dozen business around my town that loudly advertise they are Christian-owned. Now replace "Christian" with "Jew" and see if that wouldn't upset you just a tad. Christians going out of their way to patronize Christian businesses--I'm sure it happens with Jews too, but at least they aren't so brazen about it. The freemasons play favorites with freemasons, the skull and bones pick most of their members from a only dozen different "old money" families, the blacks, hispanics, and whites mostly hang out with their own race... in what way are Jews so special, so terrible?

Israel. That's the only thing I can think of, and again, I must admit that it's a biggie. So let's just tell Israel to go **** itself and call it a day, alright?

Other than that, I think Jews are no more offensive than any other religious/ethnic groups in the country today. Yeah they've got money, so what? I don't believe that they're playing by any rules that the Christians aren't, and if they didn't have the money then a small group of Christians inevitably would.

The Truth Shall Make You Mad...

Well IMHO, you aren't quite mad enough. :D


SMOOTH ...............:ARMS1: :ARMS1: :ARMS1:

[Halophyte]

SMOOTH ...............:ARMS1: :ARMS1: :ARMS1:


Very smooth I think.

Having fun with the fundies.

Hehehe ...


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[Large Sarge]

Very smooth I think.

Having fun with the fundies.

Hehehe ...


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I think you and Lib-Guard are still trying to figure out 9/11.....