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GreenSpirit
09-21-2008, 12:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown

Paulson resists calls for added help in bailout By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
22 minutes ago



Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Sunday that the nation's credit markets remain frozen and Congress must move quickly to pass a $700 billion bailout package for financial firms. But key Democrats said the legislation needs changes to provide better protections for taxpayers and homeowners in danger of losing their homes.

"The credit markets are still very fragile right now and frozen," Paulson said in an interview on NBC's Meet the Press. "We need to deal with this and deal with it quickly."

Paulson made the rounds of the television talk shows to stress the need for speed in getting the bailout package approved. The administration spent the weekend negotiating the details of the proposal with members of Congress with the expectation that it can be passed in the next week.

Paulson said that "it pains me tremendously to have the American taxpayer put in this position but it is better than the alternative."

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, said that what Congress was being asked to approve was the "mother of all bailouts" which Shelby said would end up costing more like $1 trillion rather than $700 billion when the costs of the government taking over mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and insurance giant American International Group Inc. were added.

Democrats said they understood the need for urgency but insisted that the measure needed to provide help for homeowners threatened with losing their homes, perhaps by changes in bankruptcy laws to allow for mortgages to be modified, and by capping pay and benefit packages for executives at the huge Wall Street firms that will be selling their bad debt to the government.

"I don't want the American taxpayer to get this bad debt and then the guy (whose company once held the bad loans) gets millions of dollars on his way out the door," said House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass.

Paulson and President Bush have argued that the alternative would be credit markets that remain frozen, meaning that businesses will fail because they can't get the loans they need to operate and the economy will grind to a halt because consumers, who account for two-thirds of economic activity, won't be able to get the credit they need to keep spending.

Bush said Saturday the White House is ready to work with Congress to quickly enact legislation to allow the government to purchase hundreds of billions of dollars worth of bad debt linked to the collapse of the housing market.

The administration proposal would be the biggest government intervention since the Great Depression. It would dole out huge sums of money to financial firms to purchase their holdings of bad mortgage-backed securities so that these firms can resume normal lending operations. The bad mortgage debt has been at the heart of the current credit crisis which hit more than a year ago but erupted with special ferocity in the past two weeks forcing extraordinary government actions.

Two weeks ago, the government seized control of the nation's two largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and then last week, it took control of the country's largest insurance company, American International Group Inc.

The measure that the administration sent up to Congress on Saturday is a mere three pages in length. While Paulson emphasized the need for speed, Democrats said Sunday that they could do it quickly while also adding necessary protections for taxpayers and help for people facing the threat of mortgage foreclosures.

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., appearing on ABC's "This Week," said if all of this help was being directed to Wall Street there was also a need to provide help for people on Main Street.

But Paulson, also appearing on ABC, said, "We need this to be clean and to be quick."

Paulson resisted suggestions being made by Democrats that the program be changed to include further relief for homeowners facing mortgage foreclosures and to include an additional $50 billion stimulus effort. Some Democrats have also suggested capping compensation of executives at firms who get the bailout help.

Paulson said he was concerned that debate over adding all of those proposals would slow passage of the bill, delaying the rescue effort that is so urgently needed to get financial markets moving again.

"The biggest help we can give the American people right now is to stabilize the financial system," Paulson said.

But Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said that he believed there would be changes to Paulson's plan and that agreement could still be reached quickly.

Schumer said that he was pushing to get a provision where the government would receive stock warrants in return for the bailout relief and for creation of a government oversight board to supervise the huge operation, which under Paulson's plan would be run out of the Treasury Department. He said Paulson seemed receptive to changes when he had discussed his ideas with him.

"I have told him ... we need changes related to housing, we need to put the taxpayer first ahead of bondholders, shareholders," Schumer said on "Fox News Sunday."

However, Republican lawmakers said that the Democratic efforts risks slowing down a measure that was urgently needed.

"This would be the most serious financial crisis that the world has ever dealt with. It is not a time to be playing games," said House Republican Leader John Boehner.

Paulson said in the interviews that he had been talking to other governments about the need for them to offer similar relief because the current financial crisis is global.

He said that the nation's outdated regulatory system for financial markets must be overhauled but the first job is to get the most sweeping rescue package since the Great Depression passed by Congress in coming days.

The proposal would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue. :no_ma:

Mined Games
09-21-2008, 01:03 PM
The 'hurry sign it now, we'll read it later' method worked so well when the Patriot Act was instituted, so why not try it again here.:sarcasm:

Horn
09-21-2008, 01:04 PM
Paulson and President Bush have argued that the alternative would be credit markets that remain frozen, meaning that businesses will fail because they can't get the loans they need to operate and the economy will grind to a halt because consumers, who account for two-thirds of economic activity, won't be able to get the credit they need to keep spending.

Let's look at that statement objectively.

The consumer has no credit, because of an inability to pay off his debt.

Fix that ability overnight, I just see more bad loans getting written from rushing into it.

Wouldn't congress see this too? I'm not some sort of economic genius, am I?:D

It's a $700 billion dollar bandaid on Uncle Sam's jugular wound.

dupontcobb
09-21-2008, 02:30 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown

"The credit markets are still very fragile right now and frozen," Paulson said in an interview on NBC's Meet the Press. "We need to deal with this and deal with it quickly."

“If the system is so fragile that the collapse of the fifth-largest investment bank in America could bring the whole thing down, what's going to happen in a few years when the No. 2 or No. 1 banks go bad...What's Bernanke going to do, get in his helicopter and fly around the country repossessing cars and houses? This is insane." Jim Rogers, June 25, 2008, Moneynews.com



Paulson said that "it pains me tremendously to have the American taxpayer put in this position but it is better than the alternative."

I am sure it pained him tremendously...:sarc: And what exactly would be the alternative? The system needs to be allowed to purge, not to continue the binge. US taxpayers will pay for this mother of all bailouts for decades, maybe longer, and there is cheering and euphoria. The irresponsible actions of the very upper crust of the financial structure are once again being rewarded, and payment comes from the sweat of the common man’s brow. This is cheered, and there is euphoria. Fed policies of the past few years have brought the financial system to the brink of meltdown.

"I don't want the American taxpayer to get this bad debt and then the guy (whose company once held the bad loans) gets millions of dollars on his way out the door," said House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass.

It is exactly what is happening. $66 billion. That is the record amount of money Wall Street’s top five firms…paid out in compensation and bonuses last year to their 186,000 employees… At Merrill Lynch, they paid out $15,9 billion in compensation last year just weeks before the firm went hat-in-hand to secure a $6 billion lifeline investment…Two weeks after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke masterminded the purchase of Bear by JP Morgan Chase, one thing is crystal clear: JP Morgan shareholders are richer to the tune of $25 billion, Bear shareholders are several billion dollars better off than if the firm went totally bust, and American taxpayers are potentially on the hook for $29 billion…

Paulson said he was concerned that debate over adding all of those proposals would slow passage of the bill, delaying the rescue effort that is so urgently needed to get financial markets moving again.

What should be up for debate is who gave Paulsen the authority to authorize this? Do the taxpayers have anything to say about it? What about the moral hazard that exists in the financial institutions being bailed out?

"The biggest help we can give the American people right now is to stabilize the financial system," Paulson said.

The problem is, it is all on the backs of the taxpayer, Mr. Paulson. The biggest help the American people right now would be to abolish the Fed and link our Federal Reserve Note back to gold or silver.