All "Patriot" and "Constitutionalist" please read this...

[gogeTTer]

This is the fact, of the lie called "the united states of Amerca"

Read it and then decide. Law. Plain and simple. From an mid-1800 era pioneer lawyer who exposed the Truth of the Constitution lie... possibly the biggest lie of the past 3 centuries.

The Constitution of No Authority (No Treason)
by Lysander Spooner (1861)
free to read online at:

http://jim.com/treason.htm

or

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm


I read it and it is in fact, irrefutable. Painful.

[Prometheus]

I only read the first page, so I have no idea exactly what the rest contains however the notion that the constituiton was only for the people around when they worte it can go two ways...

There is the obvious "for our posterity" and then of course quotes like "An armed uprising every 20 years or so is good.

Either way, I've always been a fan of the Articles of Confederation (pre-constitution). That and since .gov doesn't even listen to the constitution it's not like what he was saying 100 years ago actually matters today.... since the constitution is basically prohibited by law.

[gunner]

That and since .gov doesn't even listen to the constitution it's not like what he was saying 100 years ago actually matters today.... since the constitution is basically prohibited by law.

I've heard that it's just a God-damned piece of paper... I think our President, the guy who swore to defend it, said that.

[gogeTTer]

Excellent points you make.
An answer I have read elsewhere, that is VERY interesting, and seemingly legit is that there is an index that is used to rate the grade level of complexity in reading material and written works of literature; kind of an assessment used in schools to ascertain what grade levels/colleges use what works to teach, based on the acuity and intelligence level the average student has and what comprehension level they have... it had an acronym for it, that slips my mind right now, that was the combined name of it's two developers of this world wide used assessment method.

Anyway, they take the entirety of a document/literary work/book/etc
and take the # of sentences, grammatical things ie commas, quotes, colons, etc. paragraph amount, etc etc and put it all in a complex forumlae, and out the comes a grade level complexity of comprehension required to understand the work...

The US Constitution is so cleverly and occultishly written that it scores a reading level of GRADE 26!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (that's right, K-12 grade, PLUS 14 years of college experience) .... One thing to be had by this information,
the "Founding F-ups uhhh Fathers" were way smarter and clever than anyone can understand. Everything written and stated in the document is very precise in it's placement and meaning (or double meaning that is)..
Our posterity most likely refers to THEIR (the signees of the document itself ONLY) posterity.. not the nations people.

[Carl]

Lysander Spooner is/was an idiot with an obvious axe to grind.

99.99% of his rant isn't even connected with anything contained in the Constitution, it just a bunch of wrong assumptions, based upon the politics of the time, that he has made about, and inserted into, the document.

The Constitution is not a binding contract between men; it's a binding contract between men and their government, it creates. It does not limit man; it limits government, as it was intended to do.

And contrary to gogeTTer's assertions, the Constitution isn't a dark and foreboding "cultish" document requiring a grade level of 26 to unlock its mysteries, it is an eloquently, concise document written in terms that even a person of grade level 6 can easily grasp its meaning in full, which also makes it timeless. And THAT, is the genius of our Founders and the Constitution.



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[Halophyte]

The Constitution is NOT a contract between men a the legal fiction of the state. It's an agreement between the several states to limit the powers of government from imposing upon the natural (god given) rights of men. Contrary to popular belief, there was no central government at the time of its inception.


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[Carl]

The Constitution is NOT a contract between men a the legal fiction of the state. It's an agreement between the several states to limit the powers of government from imposing upon the natural (god given) rights of men. Contrary to popular belief, there was no central government at the time of its inception.

.The Constitution creates the government it binds. It is also a binding contract between man and the government it creates, that it was representatives of state's governments that created it, does not alter who it is for or what it was intended to achieve.


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[Halophyte]

It is also a binding contract between man and the government it creates, ...

I did not sign that contract.

Did you ?


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[Carl]

I did not sign that contract.

Did you ?


.You and I did not have to sign it; we inherited it as our Birth Right. The Government is OUR PROPERTY by that contract not, the other way around.


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