OK...been studying....have questions

[Tn...Andy]

I'd like to try some colloidal silver for a resperatory problem I have. When I get a cold, it degrades into a sinus problem like the one I've had for the last couple of months.....sinus drains into throat, lungs get congested and I cough up globs of ucky for months....congestion never goes away unless I take a cold med that makes me drowsey, dries me up some, and that only works for 12hrs or so, then the congestion is right back.

I'd like to try the CS to see if it will knock this out, versus just waiting it out, which is my normal course of treatment. :thumpdown


Now, in studying CS, I get the feeling there are two schools of thought....

One, the "Mesosilver" bunch, says that ionic silver, the kind generated by CS generators sold, verus the true colloidal particle silver solution they sell, is useless at best, and bad for you at worst. They claim ionic silver, that is silver with a missing electron, combines easily with stomach acids and blood salts to form siliver chlorides which are bad for you. They claim CS generators sold make mostly ionic silver and very little particulate silver.

More at: http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic.htm

Well, heck, I'd probably claim that too if I wanted to sell bottles of CS.

So, my first question, to those of you that are more learned on CS, is this BS ?




Now, the other school are the CS generator sales folks....such as Silver Gen..

http://www.silvergen.com/ionic_versus_colloidal_silver.htm

Their claim is just the opposite.....they say Ionic silver is the only way to go, and their site has some lab studies to back it up.


So, my second question, is for those of you that use CS......do you believe that ionic is the way to go ?

Third question is, do you generate your own, and what brand/model generator do YOU use ??


Thanks.....still learning.....and appreciate all replies....

Andy

[Curtman]

Sorry. I gotta bump this back up because I was hoping for some of the same answers.

[ajrocks]

Sorry Andy slightly off topic, but I tried CS and I don't know if it worked, but not disputing it does...I take 1000mg of vitamin C a day. As I've posted before I have 4 kids and teach OSHA requirements to everyone...The point...Majority of my classes are day cares. The past 4 years I have gotten really sick...never really got sick before when there were no kids around...

This year I didn't get sick at all. I did have some slight sinus issues, always have especially with my ears and hearing, and for three months I have been going to a Chiro usually once every other-three weeks, and have had no problems since december when I started to . Might want to try that.

Sorry I couldn't help with the CS

Ajrocks

[Indy]

I would say nano-silver

http://www.nano-silver.net/eng/

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/maatshop/n2_silver.htm

[keehah]

I had the same questions. Here was my take on the issues when I spent several hours last year going over the claims with my chemistry degree background:

Generally a colliod a particle of more than 12 atoms. Ionic solutions consists of particles of less than 12 atoms. The active form of silver is when an electron is stripped off a silver atom. Thus ionic silver is the most active form as the 'missing electron' makes more of a difference to the properties of the particle the smaller it is. Ionic silver is the active form in the bloodstream.

However for delivery to the location it needs to be active at, ionic is only the ideal form for topical application. This includes skin as well as eye or sinus or mouthwash. Injested ionic silver is not effective for getting to the bloodstream as it will first form insoluble silver chlorides in the intestines and not much will get to the bloodstream.

For this reason colloidal silver is preferred for ingestion as a greater proportion of colloidal silver will make it the bloodstream to equilibriate with its active ionic form.

With this information I bought a Silver Gen. The reasons: It makes 90/20 to 80/20 mixture of ionic/colloidal silver. Thus it makes the preferred ionic silver for topical application. Note however it also has 10-20% colloidal silver.
Now this is the important part: Even though most (90-80% ionic) of the silver is not active when ingested, this 'home made' colloidal silver fraction is much cheaper than the commercial colloidal silver formulations. As well, since high concentrations of colloidal silver are not stable in solution, many are stabilized with polymers. Much of this polymer wrapped colloidal silver is not absorbed in the bloodstream either.

One concern could be that excessive injestion of 80/20 to 90/20 mixture of ionic/colloidal silver just for the colloidal silver may stress the kidneys (ionic silver ppt). I think the anounts needed would be substancial for the average person with healthy kidneys. If one is concerned, I would suggest that one just injest silver when needed. If one wanted to ingest silver daily for health maintenance, they may decide to pay the big dollars to buy commercial colloidal silver mix to reduce the amount of inactive ionic silver ingested.

[Sturdly]

Never tried the silver due to only having one kidney left. I have had very good luck using a vaporizer with menthol added. I sit with it on my lap and tent my head inside a towel really concentrating the steam and forcibly inhaling it through my sinus and then my lungs directly through the mouth.

Really loosens the head and lungs and helps to clear the mucus and tightness. A week of this several times a day usually does it for me.

Sorry to hear you've been ill so long.

[Ponce Cuba]

I don't know about the other guys but all that I did was to join three nine volts batteries and bought a 12 inch silver rod from a jeweler (seven bucks) near by and cut it in two....... I leave it in the water for five to seven minutes and then drink the water.

While the process is going on you can get a laser light and shine it in the water (at an angle) and you can see a zillion of little bubbles raising hell.

[Book]

I'd like to try some colloidal silver for a resperatory problem I have. When I get a cold, it degrades into a sinus problem like the one I've had for the last couple of months.....sinus drains into throat, lungs get congested and I cough up globs of ucky for months....congestion never goes away unless I take a cold med that makes me drowsey, dries me up some, and that only works for 12hrs or so, then the congestion is right back. -Tn...Andy

Andy...you obviously have some kind of infection that requires a real medical doctor to treat. Break-out a couple of Silver Rounds and go. to. a. real. doctor. Hell, there must be a clinic near you that will treat you without charge. Tell them you are an illegal un-documented worker.

Let's get real here Andy. If this bug turns into Pneumonia...GIM will lose your valued posts for many weeks. Nobody in an internet chatroom about Precious Metals is qualified to give you medical advice. Nobody here.

Go tomorrow. Probably just need to take some antibiotic little pills for a week that cost $3.12 generic.

[gunner]

I'd try coral cacium supreme by Bob Barefoot. Been taking it for 2 years, never get sick and 3 people at work now take it as well. Even when their kids get colds, they don't !! I'd swear by the stuff, works great for me.

Colloidal silver, yup - (3) 9 volt batteries will do the trick, very simple

Tn Andy, I agree with Book - go to a doc, if you think he's full of crap, then you can treat yourself any way you like, but it might be good to get an idea of what you're dealing with.

[Tn...Andy]

Thanks guys.....I ain't dying or anything.....just makes sleeping hard when you have to wake up every so often, cough it up, and spit in the trash can beside the bed....and when I do any exertion, I break into a coughing fit.....just aggivating......

Had this plenty of times before......been to the Quacks...sorry, MDs..... who prescribe this or that and none of it works....just time is all I've ever found...had pneumonia also, and know it well enough to know when antibiotics will help, and when they are useless like now. I hate taking antibiotics when I don't need them as they tear up my gut.........

I'm convinced this a lingering viral thing, which I eventually beat, and that's why I'd like to try the CS to see if it would knock in the butt quicker.

I bought one of those personal vaporizers that you stick the menthol pad in, kinda like what Studly is using, and tried it for the first time tonight....seemed to help....gonna try for a few days to see if it makes a difference.


Still interested in the CS route if anyone else wants to testify !

[Book]

I'm convinced this a lingering viral thing, which I eventually beat, and that's why I'd like to try the CS to see if it would knock in the butt quicker. -Tn...Andy
Viral thing is a good guess and you obviously haven't "beat" it yet. Now that you have provided more history I agree that antibiotics work on bacteria and not viruses. Andy...if you don't deal with this with the help of a real doctor you will be camping in an oxygen tent. There is something serious going on here and home remedies are beyond the challenge. Get an x-ray. Get some tests. Pry a few Silver Rounds from your stash and solve this lingering...chronic respiratory ailment. You haven't allowed the doctor enought time to diagnose the real cause.

Nobody here at GIM is qualified to give you advice about this serious condition. Nobody. Go see the Doc tomorrow...

[Tn...Andy]

Jeez Book....you and my lovely wife of 34 years tommorrow would get along great !

( No silver rounds need loosen....got an HMO plan )

I may take a notion to go.......I was REALLY wanting to experiment, and what better guinea pig than myself ! .....hey, did I mention I do my own stitching when it's in a place I can reach it ?
Got my own supply of lidocaine.

[Book]

I may take a notion to go.......I was REALLY wanting to experiment, and what better guinea pig than myself ! .....hey, did I mention I do my own stitching when it's in a place I can reach it ? Tn...Andy
Listen to your wife pal. You can't do a carb-rebuild on your lungs yourself. Not even your toolbox has the necessary instruments for do-it-yourself Hospital stuff. Report back after you see the Doc...tomorrow.
:smile:

[Atahualpa]

CS might be the ticket, as you know, antibiotics don't do squat for viral infections...in fact, it weakens your overall immune system when taken improperly.

You are on your own when it comes to respiratory infections....they have no magic pills, unfortunately. CS won't hurt you and it also won't negatively effect any other course of treatment. I would go ahead and go to the doctor and see what advice they suggest, but I wouldn't hesitate to make and take CS (as needed).

I would get a Silver-Gen and get with pronto.

[Au_Ag]

and appreciate all replies....


Sorry. I gotta bump this back up because I was hoping for some of the same answers.

My guess is, that you think you're getting a cold - and it's allergies. They seem a lot alike at times. Even if it is a cold, the solution is still the same.

I've fought this for decades - pretty much won the war now with the carpet gone - damn there were a lot of battles, long hard road to winning the war.

http://www.ethicare.com/

You want the #1 AHUN - be sure it has the correct end to fit whatever pump you're going to use.

Buy a nasal irrigation end for a water pik, or buy the pump at their site.

These people willl not make recommendations for your problem, most of their business comes from physicians - but they do sell to the public - no prescription required

Add one teaspoon of table salt to warm water - per tank

Go for it-

Takes some getting used to, but well worth the effort if you truly suffer from sinus drainage. Kinda like getting water/chlorine up your nose at the swimming pool.

The nasal irrigation moistens stuff up, loosens it and flushes the goo/crap out of your sinuses and prevents the steady drainage to your lungs . What you're doing here is greatly speeding up the process of getting the gunk out.

At really bad times you'll have to do it morning and evening.

Note! Sinus infection is a misnomer - the sinuses are not open to the blood stream. Antibiotics only help to reduce inflammation, make you feel a little better.

Try it, you'll love the result - This keeps it from becoming a much larger respiratory problem.

I've had sinus surgery in 92 or 93- that helped.

If I had known about this, I might not have done the surgery -

I had a decade or more of allergy shots - that helped.

We took up all of the carpet and went with hardwood floors - that and the nasal irrigation probably helped more than anything other than the surgery.

Google _nasal irrigation_ and you're gonna get a ton of hits. Some semi-exotic brine solution recommendations - a little table salt does the trick for me and my wife.

I've also taken antihistamines, decongestants,etc., etc. etc.

Oh yeah, I done a bunch of stuff, up to and including hopping around on one foot, in a circle, while whistling dixie._really big grin_

Do the nasal irrigation - do the obvious allergy routines, etc.


Read up on allergies, or better yet go be tested.

You probably don't have to have the tests, most allergies that you can do anything about are usually obvious with plenty of media attention.

IMHO

[Au_Ag]

Due to the fact that I've worn out a couple of their Hydro Flo machines and think that have some minor design flaws -


I would probably get the Water Pik from them, make sure the tip fits that

Water Pik ® WP-60W

[SirSilverOzzyyzzO]

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[G-khan]

Here is the generator I have and I love it......

http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html

Hulda Zapper may also be useful

[Jasper]

Andy: A simple and effective method for cleaning out the sinuses is a NETI POT:

http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/product/neti.html

I've used one of these for years with a bit of salt added to the water. They take a little getting used to but they really do the job. BTW - It would be great to have a shot of you using one!

I also take Silver-Puppy homebrew CS regularly and have had no sinus problems or colds or allergies since I began.

As for Book's advice to SEE A DOC!!!! everyone should run a search on IATROGENIC DISEASE [i.e. disease caused by a doctor] as one of the leading causes of death in the States.

:smile:

[HistoryStudent]

CS might be the ticket, as you know, antibiotics don't do squat for viral infections...in fact, it weakens your overall immune system when taken improperly.

You are on your own when it comes to respiratory infections....they have no magic pills, unfortunately. CS won't hurt you and it also won't negatively effect any other course of treatment. I would go ahead and go to the doctor and see what advice they suggest, but I wouldn't hesitate to make and take CS (as needed).

I would get a Silver-Gen and get with pronto.

Amen. It works. Put some in a AYR (saline solution EMPTY bottle @ WalMart) and spray up NASAL passages. Also DRINK use an ounce a day about three times at most. Make your own with the Silver-Gen.com.

It really helps with the ALERGIES which is what I think you also have - LIKE ME!

Best wishes from nearby the Pacific Ocean in Oceanside, CA.

[hirise]

You might want to look at the benefits of having a Far Infrared dome or tent. It seems to have worked well for me, in that I didn't catch anything the last two times this whole town was sick. Viruses can't live in elevated temperatures (that's why the body runs a fever with high-grade viral infections), and the Far Infrared sort of runs a temperature for you. Lots of other benefits too, and not too pricey.



http://www.toolsforwellness.com/81056.html

http://www.braintuner.com/firdome.htm

[ladagerick]

Here is the generator I have and I love it......

http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html

Hulda Zapper may also be useful



I have the same machine and when I feel a tickle in the back of my throat
(this usually means a cold in two days and my sinus will drain into my lungs for a infection used to get every spring and fall at least once sometimes more) I spray collodial silver in my nose and it will usually knock it out before it become more serious

[Book]

Thanks guys.....I ain't dying or anything.....just makes sleeping hard when you have to wake up every so often, cough it up, and spit in the trash can beside the bed....and when I do any exertion, I break into a coughing fit.....just aggivating...... -Tn Andy

Ok...time for a [five-week] clinical progress report. What say you Andy?

[Tn...Andy]

About the same.....less coughing, but have had semi larengitis ( sp? ) for couple weeks.....still waiting it out....ahahahahaaaa...

[Book]

still waiting it out....ahahahahaaaa... -Tn Andy
Ok...time to listen to The Wife and let her take you to the Doc. Five weeks now...waiting for a deal on an oxygen tent?
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[DrillAndFill]

Get allodial silver instead: you'll own it free and clear, and the municipal authorities can't tax you for it.

Colloidal title is also interesting: suspend minute fragments of your deed in a solution and consume it.

Might have some benefits.

[SilverNuts@Bolts]

I have the same as Mr G-Khan. My advise, make the Cs and use it, in the humidifier, by your bed.. Last humidifier I used, for 2 years got all "gummed up", but breathing the CS air kept colds away, from me, for years.. Works for plants too.

[BeefJerky]

Sounds like allergies to me. Just because you never had problems in the past, doesn't mean you're not having them now. See your primary care doc. If he sluffs you off ask to be referred to an allergist. Anything that lasts longer than 7-10 days is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. You start handling your face and infect yourself with everything else you come in contact with. I'd listen to the wife. Good Luck

[Book]

I'd listen to the wife. Good Luck -BeefJerky
Best advice. These other guys are just telling you to not see the Doc because a widow with your PMs would soon be on the market again.
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[pancjn]

Andy, I have the same reluctance to taking antibiotics, but this infection that started out as allergy flair, progressed to blinding sinus, and ended up as a constant cough, ended with a newer antibiotic that knocked the little varmits out in about 24 hours--at least I could see again. Ten days later the therapy ended and I was pain free and the side advantage was my bowel was completely empty for the first in months.