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IrishGold
09-18-2003, 02:05 PM
Billionaire George Soros is launching a grass-roots initiative that seeks to raise up to $75 million to prevent President George W. Bush from being re-elected.

I have no problem with this as long as he also insures that Hillary doesn't get elected. That to me is a bigger scare than a second Bush term.
IG


The Hungarian-born philanthropist has committed an unprecedented $10 million of his own money to "Americans Coming Together," or ACT, which plans to mobilize voters in 17 states regarded as battlegrounds in the 2004 election, the National Post reported.

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George Soros

Soros, known as "the man who broke the Bank of England," says he wants to be known as the man who brought down the government of President Bush, according to the Canadian newspaper.

In 1992, Soros reportedly garnered $1 billion in one day of currency trading that caused the value of the British pound to plummet.

Soros, who distributes $400 million annually through his Open Society Institute (http://www.soros.org/), promises to add tens of millions of dollars to the U.S. venture, which also is backed by trade unions and other philanthropists.

Motivation for the initiative is fueled by his contention the Bush administration is mishandling its power.

"The struggle for a global open society must be fought primarily in the United States, because the United States has clearly become the dominant power in the world," he said in a June interview, according to the Post. "I feel that the current U.S. administration is abusing its power by trying to increase that power instead of using it to try and create a more peaceful and equitable world."

Soros contends the administration, particularly Attorney General John Ashcroft along with Bush, has used the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to expand its authority and erode civil liberties.



I totally agree with this!

IG

"You pass the USA Patriot Act without proper discussion," said Soros in a PBS television interview this month. "Anyone who opposed it was accused of giving aid and comfort to the terrorists. I think we've gone off the rail in this country. Lawmakers didn't even get a copy of the bill. They couldn't even read it before it was passed."

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson said her party will keep a close watch on the Soros initiative "to make sure they adhere to their claim that they will not be coordinating with the Democratic Party," the Post reported.

Soros's efforts have been concentrated mostly on Eastern Europe where a network of organizations under OSI aims to bolster civil society, education, human rights, economic reforms and public health.

While his efforts usually support economic reform and the development of free markets, his new campaign in the U.S. suggests a different approach, the Post said.

While announcing his support for ACT, he contended "unchecked capitalism" fails to provide social justice.

"We need to maintain law and order," Soros said, according to the Canadian paper. "We need to maintain peace in the world. We need to protect the environment. We need to have some degree of social justice, equality of opportunity. The markets are not designed to take care of those needs."

Soros also was once a supporter of regime change in Iraq, but now says the removal of President Saddam Hussein will be counted in history as one of Bush's biggest foreign policy failures.

While his venture naturally has drawn praise from Bush opponents, he is despised by some on the left who view him as a supporter of globalization and the "New World Order" for his own personal gain.

Born in 1930, Soros left his native Hungary in 1947 to study at the London School of Economics then went to the U.S. nine years later where he began building his fortune through foreign currency speculation.

According to his website (http://www.soros.org/gsbio/), he has been active as a philanthropist since 1979, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa.

Last year he was fined more than $2 million by a Paris court for insider trading but plans to appeal the conviction. He also has been accused of unfair practices in other foreign markets, including developing countries. Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad claims Soros bears some responsibility for Asia's 1997 economic crisis.

90%RealMoney
09-20-2003, 01:00 AM
Hello Irish. If you're worried about Hillary climbing further up the ladder, keep an eye on Wesley Clarke. He is a Clinton puppet. Clinton has been helping Clarkes military career, since he was Governor of Arkansas. Put him in charge of the Kosovo farce. (Where are those MILLIONS of bodies they were supposed to find buried?) Now it's payback time, and it's Clarkes job to run static for Hillary. They'll either be running mates together, or The Clintons will try and get their boy Clarke elected to make it easier to shoe horn Hillary in. Might sound far fetched, but I saw the evil in this woman the first time I saw her on t.v. when Bill first ran for Pres. No bodies in Kosovo, no WMD's in Iraq, they are all the same, aren't they!

helpful_monkey
09-20-2003, 01:20 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/17/opinion/polls/main573774.shtml

(CBS) President Bush's approval rating on handling Iraq has fallen to its lowest level ever, and his overall approval rating is the lowest it has been since the 2001 terrorist attacks, according to a CBS News poll.

The poll also finds that a declining number of Americans think the U.S. is in control of the situation in Iraq, and only 22% think the Bush administration has a clear plan for rebuilding the former dictatorship.

Americans also question whether a successful rebuilding of Iraq would ultimately pay dividends for them back at home: most do not think the United States will be any safer from terrorism even if Iraq does become a stable democracy. But many Americans do believe the rebuilding process in Iraq will force tough financial tradeoffs back at home - tradeoffs they would be unwilling to make.

Who needs that criminal Soros?

IrishGold
09-20-2003, 01:51 PM
Hello Irish. If you're worried about Hillary climbing further up the ladder, keep an eye on Wesley Clarke. He is a Clinton puppet. Clinton has been helping Clarkes military career, since he was Governor of Arkansas. Put him in charge of the Kosovo farce. (Where are those MILLIONS of bodies they were supposed to find buried?) Now it's payback time, and it's Clarkes job to run static for Hillary. They'll either be running mates together, or The Clintons will try and get their boy Clarke elected to make it easier to shoe horn Hillary in. Might sound far fetched, but I saw the evil in this woman the first time I saw her on t.v. when Bill first ran for Pres. No bodies in Kosovo, no WMD's in Iraq, they are all the same, aren't they!
Yep, you're right, not a dimes woth of difference!http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

helpful_monkey
09-20-2003, 06:10 PM
Polls are polls and subject to rapid change...

I have no horse in the race. I do not, once again, like ANY of the contenders. I would only go so far as to say that I want the neo-cons and Bush thrown the hell out. Sadly, it appears that this leaves me with some U.N. loving, socialist, gun hating Democrat.

I'm sick to my stomach of the two party system.

From DrudgeReport.com:

POLL: CLARK LEADS DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS
Sat Sep 20 2003 16:13:43 ET

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, who announced his presidential candidacy this week, leads all Democratic contenders who are currently in the race with 14 percent of the vote among registered Democrats and Democratic leaners, according to the latest Newsweek Poll. He's followed by former Vermont Governor Howard Dean and Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, who both get 12 percent of the vote. Clark's impressive debut is undercut, however, by the sizable percentage of all those polled (45%) who say they've never heard of him before now, the poll shows.

President Bush's job approval rating continued to drop in the Newsweek Poll, to 51 percent. And by a margin of 50 percent to 44 percent, registered voters say they would not like to see Bush re-elected to another term.

For the first time in the Newsweek Poll, Bush's approval for his handling of the situation in Iraq has dropped below 50 percent to 46 percent, a drop of 5 percentage points from the Newsweek Poll of September 11-12, 2003. Forty-seven percent of all those polled disapprove of how he's handling the situation in Iraq, an increase of 5 percentage points from the earlier poll. Bush's approval slide continues in ratings for his handling of other issues. On the economy: approval dropped to 38 percent (from 41%) but disapproval jumped six points to 57 percent. Bush also scores in the low 40s on the environment (43%) and taxes (42%). The only area where Bush continues strong support is his handling of policies to prevent and minimize terrorism at home: 66 percent, the poll shows.

In a test election against President Bush, 43 percent of registered voters say they'd vote for Clark or lean toward Clark, compared to 47 percent who'd vote for Bush or lean toward Bush. By comparison, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry trails Bush by 48 percent v. 43 percent of registered voters and Dean trails Bush by 52 percent v. 38 percent, the poll shows.

If former Vice President Al Gore were in the race against Bush, the race would be close again: 45 percent of registered voters would vote for Gore and 48 percent for Bush. But if New York Sen. Hillary Clinton were facing Bush, Bush leads with 50 percent of the vote versus 43 percent for Clinton, the poll shows.

On the subject of Iraq, 56 percent of all those polled say they think the amount of money the U.S. is spending for operations in post-war Iraq is too high; 31 percent say the amount is just right. And although this week members of the Bush administration said there is no connection between Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq and the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, 47 percent of those polled believe there is a connection; 37 percent say no.

With Clark joining the 2004 Presidential race, 26 percent of those polled, and 24 percent of registered voters, believe it's very important that a president of the United States served in the military; 37 percent of all voters (38% of registered voters) say it's somewhat important while 35 percent (36% of registered voters) say it's not important. Considering the challenges the U.S. faces in fighting terrorism in the coming years, 36 percent of all those polled say having a president who had served a top military commander would make them feel safer and more secure; 61 percent say it wouldn't make much difference.

Forty percent of all those polled say Clark's military background makes them feel more confident in his ability to deal with national defense and security issues than any of the other democrats running for president, the poll shows. But 42 percent say it doesn't make them feel more confident.

And 52 percent of all those polled say the fact that Clark has never held political office doesn't make much difference in whether or they'd support his candidacy for president; 13 percent say it makes it more likely to support him and 24 percent it makes them less likely to support him.

Twenty-six percent of all those polled have a favorable opinion of Clark; 11 percent have an unfavorable opinion and 45 percent say they've never heard of him. Among registered voters, 27 percent have a favorable opinion; 12 have an unfavorable opinion and 42 percent have never heard of him. Of Democrats and Democratic leaners, 36 say favorable; 6 percent unfavorable and 43 percent say they've never heard of him.

For this Newsweek Poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates interviewed 1,001 adults aged 18 and older on September 18-19, 2003. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points. This poll is part of the September 29 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands Monday, September 22).

FoundingFathers
09-25-2003, 12:16 AM
RON PAUL For PRESIDENT!!!!

Libertarian_Guard
09-25-2003, 01:29 PM
F.F.

I will second that motion.