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Halophyte
12-22-2003, 06:18 PM
Instant Survival Property


Since GIM is about investing with a weary eye towards the future, buying rural property seems to fit right in with survival of the financial fittest. Just like buying silver in today’s depressed PM market a smart buy on survival property can pay untold dividends in the long run. Sticking with my poor boy strategy to acquire and hold long-term investments for my protection - this post is geared towards that goal.

The key to a smart purchase is judging a property according to its resources and not its market value. IOWs, look for the property's natural resources as opposed to its convenience of location, serviceable roads or established utilities. This is where you'll find a diamond in the rough.

Developed parcels are presently priced in an overvalued market with high property taxes to boot. For the long-term poor boy philosophy, that's a big ‘no-no’. Who wants to pay an outrageous yearly tax claim during an up and coming depression era economy? Even if the price is right the poor boy might find it pretty hard to hold that property when things get really rough. Don't count on the county assessors office to give you a break after the dollar deflates - tax liabilities will turn courthouse auctions into a land grab just like it did 80 years ago. Don't fall in this eventual tax trap, instead find a low profile undeveloped property.

While you start your search for that undervalued diamond keep in mind what your minimum needs will be. When it comes to buying rural property, ‘think little’.

The great advantage of buying undeveloped rural property is using it as access to public lands. To do this there is no need to purchase a larger parcel than one really needs. This falls back on the concept of selecting resources over established value. Twelve years ago, I bought a small-undeveloped parcel on a mountain road (also undeveloped). The price was higher per acre being a tiny 2-acre plot but the initial outlay of cash was minimal and buying it gave me instant access to 80,000 acres of public woodland reservation. Imagine this, I became an instant land baron for $1500, with access to unlimited firewood and hunting grounds, all without the tax liability. If you consider firewood a cheap and plentiful resource try pricing a pickup truck load in town, if you take in consideration that cordwood construction is stronger and more thermally efficient that frame built homes you begin to see the resource advantage to undeveloped purchases.

A small parcel purchase pays me back with only a $15 Standing Dead and Fallen permit for cutting unlimited firewood and some of the best hunting in the Midwest, all for an annual tax liability of only $14. If you think this is ridiculously cheap, think about how you’re going to pay those future taxes without a job or means of income. If we think in terms of survival - a jobless life is humbling but a homeless life is degrading. Keep it dirt-cheap.


A Home Away From Home


Let’s say that you’ve purchased your little plot of heaven and you want to enjoy vacationing there and developing it without the longer-term tax liability problem. Again we resort to the ‘think little’ philosophy to beat the tax troopers at their own game. In most states, real property and personal property is taxed separately. Simply keep your vacation home separate from the property - IOWs, don’t build a conventional dwelling on the property until after a monetary collapse. While zoned rural areas will not permit this activity the undeveloped rural backwoods property shows its advantages once again.

Unconventional dwellings don’t have to be uncomfortable or uncivilized. In the rural setting a good older model camper trailer can deliver all the conveniences of modern home including hot showers, satellite TV and cold beer. The older, larger RVs are becoming a real bargain on the market today because of their enormous weight and size making them very costly to tow. Take advantage of the coming sell off of RV toys in the months and years to come and get the largest camper you can for the money, a thirty or thirty-five footer is best for size and comfort. The older Airsteams and Avions are better built than anything coming from the factories today, with higher ‘R’ factor insulation and better overall construction. A $5000, 1978 Airstream is a better buy than its $5000, 1998 competition.

Simply tow it to the property (once), block/level up the trailer, unbolt and remove the axels - the trailer stays while you’re gone away. Building on a small deck and canopy transforms the RV to the ‘vacation home’ while the personal property tax continues its depreciating drop every year!


Your Local Utility Company


While trying to get the local power co-op to run electricity to my property they said it would be at no cost to the consumer according to the Rural Electrification Agency, but there was a hitch – I would have to pay for the power poles. At $600 per pole for running power to my property I was looking at a cost of about 14,400 for that “free” federally subsidized service. NOT!!! For that initial cost I could build a power plant and fuel it for years, and that’s exactly what I did.

Anyone can build a power plant from a 5 hp tiller engine and an old Delco alternator to charge the camper’s batteries. Fuel consumption is about half a gallon a day for all lighting, fans, water pumping and micro-wave/TV appliances used. At about 15 gallons of gas a month (or 20 gal LP w/propane carb kit) I can run the little power plant for the rest of my life compared to the cost of those REA poles, that’s assuming gasoline prices stay the same.

Don’t buy a conventional genset for this purpose. It uses too much gas for too little power produced, especially if you plan to escape to your backcountry home permanently. A 2 KW power inverter hooked up to the battery bank provides more surge power than a 4 KW, 220volt conventional generator, and it does it without all the noise. Run the genset to charge the battery bank and draw power with the inverter afterwards. Quiet, reliable power 24 hrs a day except when charging.

The long run plan is to invest the savings into solar PV panels. Like buying PMs, the solar investment will pay for itself many fold.


Water, Water Everywhere …


… but none fit to drink, that’s if you don’t have a deep well. But wells are expensive projects that require lots of power to operate. For the ‘think little’ philosopher, there has to be alternatives, and there is - from shallow ‘driven’ wells with jet pumps (if the land permits) to roof top rain harvest systems, creek water drop boxes and 12volt pressure pumps. A 200-gallon poly-holding tank resting under the skirted camper makes a great fresh water cistern and you don’t have to go thru the cost of burring it underground.

If your land is located on the high dry plains or desert - you could be in big trouble. The price of the well may far exceed the price of the undeveloped parcel by several times, so think again about the land’s resources BEFORE you buy.

Once you develop a pressurized water system you will need to sanitize the drinking water. Shallow well or wet weather creek water is fine for washing, cleaning and watering gardens - for drinking water use a high quality water filter/purifier. The most reliable models are also the most energy efficient. Two come to mind, the British Berkfield and the American made AquaRain. Both use diatom ceramic earth filter media doped with silver solutions to prevent bio growth. They can produce thousands of gallons (up to 24 gal of drinking/cooking water per day) while using no electrical power. They’re very simple to set up and easy to operate. I highly recommend every family own one, even if you don’t own rural property.


Home Fires Burning


Being located in the middle of forested land, it makes little sense to heat a camper cabin by wasting expensive propane gas, but a wood-burning stove is both a messy nuisance and a potential matchbox waiting to happen. There are two approaches to get that ‘free’ wood heat without all the danger, one is an outside wood-burning furnace ducted into the RV with a 12-auto ac blower cycling on a thermostat mounted inside. The other way is building a small wood fired boiler out of a salvaged gas hot water heater tank (40gal will work but 80gal is best) mounted on top of a homemade firebox. A small circulating pump moves the hot water thru copper piping to a couple of automotive heater cores mounted inside with muffin fans that blow hot air at each end of the RV. A single thermostat cycles the fans/circ pump together to save on power and maintain a constant temperature.


The Unmentionables …


Besides the heating of your RV cabin there’s another potential big energy consumer that robs power thru the use of water – a heck of a lot of water that is. It’s the essential unmentionable toilet. Sewage is both an energy robber and a sanitation nightmare; a freezing cold outhouse is the only alternative, as least until the invention of the composting toilet came along. Sunmar builds the best and a modest investment of about $1000 can outfit your camper with clean, odor free, waterless, sanitary waste disposal. This composting toilet along with a proper sized composting pile (located away from the RV cabin) should provide a family of four the proper facilities - all other gray water waste gets piped to a tiny sewer lagoon.

If you’re poorer than the usual poor boy, you can construct the sawdust toilet. The only difference is, this toilet needs to be dumped into the compost pile daily. There are several plans on the Internet to construct a built in sawdust toilet from 5 gal paint buckets with a little handy woodworking. A PVC vent pipe helps keep the odor away, a 12volt muffin fan robbed from a computer power supply (mounted in the PVC pipe) makes a great odorless power vent. Just switch it on before you lift the seat.


Getting It Together


As insurance against the inevitable SHTF scenario, all key components of your backcountry ‘vacation’ home can be ready to go when the stock market goes on its permanent vacation. Just have your rural property ready with access entrance and ‘building’ site ready, all other amenities can be constructed as time permits while operating on LP gas road reserves.

Having a 500 gal LP tank filled (400gal) on site with locked cap greatly increases your comfort range with gas refrigerator, cook stove and generator having its long-term supply of fuel ready and waiting. Remember that ‘conservation of energy’ is the name of the game when it comes to this instant home away from home - and get that wood heating and composting toilet system up and running ASAP.



Sources


12volt genset plans are from HOME POWER MAGAZINE, an on line, downloadable source. They also have PV charger plans, battery maintenance and much more. LP carburetor kits for most major small engine brands are also available on line, just do a search and/or locate a local propane supplier.

Composting toilets are available thru REAL GOODS supplier on line along with virtually anything solar, PV panels, chargers, wind generators etc…

12 volt Sureflow water pressure pumps and holding tanks are available thru J.C.Whitney auto parts supply and REAL GOODS on line.

Water filters, the AquaRain is available on line at their web site, made in U.S.A., p/u extra filters too.






- Halo

hoarder
12-22-2003, 08:24 PM
Halophyte,

That was interesting. I went to the berkefeld water filter website to find out how they work. Guess what. They have SILVER in them. The Aquarain ones do too.

I've been entertaining the idea of having an off the grid vacation home in Montana and have done a lot of research but never heard of these filters before.
Good post.

http://www.stpaulmercantile.com/berkeyfaq.htm

Nanook
03-14-2004, 07:28 PM
Fascinating post, and one I would love to emulate. You mention the Midwest, which state if you don't mind me asking. I live in Illinois which is getting to be like California with lousy weather, so I assume it's not Illinois.
I'm looking next door at Indiana but don't believe it's far enough to go.
I've been searching the Net for rural land, but as you say, it's mostly developed higher-priced stuff that's listed.
I love the idea of living next to national or state forests, you could almost count on no development taking place.
Excellent post, Halophyte.

PONCE
03-15-2004, 10:54 AM
Well Halophyte, it looks like we both have about the same set up. I live about 32 miles from town and the national Forrest my back yard.

I get my water by gravity from a creek, I do have electricity but also have my alarms systems connected to batteries that are connected by and inverter to solar.

My home is rather large and I do have a wood stove but use instead an oil heater, after using the oil heater for 3 years I figured that I am using less than a gallon a day. In a trailer like yours it probably would be about half a gallon or less. I also have two generators, a 5,000 and a 1,200, the 1,200 is plenty for everyday use and the 5,000 for when I need more power.

I already have electricity, but I am getting ready for when I will no longer have it.

For cooking I use propane and a 25 gallons will last me for over one year.
I don't mind bragging that I live in a little piece of heaven, the deer's comes into my property just about every day in order to eat from my apples trees and a bear comes at night, Big Ben, to do the same. My male cat likes to chase the deer's but the other day the male deer chased him up a tree, what a ball.

Also have dihadryted food for one year and in cans for six months more. One thing that you must do is to take at least one load with emergency equipment and food and buried it in the national forest about 5 clicks away from you, never hurts to have an emergency place to go if you have to leave.

For weapons you will need a shoot gun and a pistol for short range, a mini 14 for medium and a 308 or 30-06 for long range. Night visions and big ears would not hurt to have and also some cammo to use in the forest.

Rig up your place with some silent alarms that will send a signal to your trailer at nite time and also make a hole in the floor of your trailer in order to have an emergency exit.

PONCE
03-15-2004, 10:57 AM
Well Halophyte, it looks like we both have about the same set up. I live about 32 miles from town and the national Forrest my back yard.

I get my water by gravity from a creek, I do have electricity but also have my alarms systems connected to batteries that are connected by and inverter to solar.

My home is rather large and I do have a wood stove but use instead an oil heater, after using the oil heater for 3 years I figured that I am using less than a gallon a day. In a trailer like yours it probably would be about half a gallon or less. I also have two generators, a 5,000 and a 1,200, the 1,200 is plenty for everyday use and the 5,000 for when I need more power. I already have electricity, but I am getting ready for when I will no longer have it.

For cooking I use propane and a 25 gallons will last me for over one year.
I don't mind bragging that I live in a little piece of heaven, the deer's comes into my property just about every day in order to eat from my apples trees and a bear comes at night, Big Ben, to do the same. My male cat likes to chase the deer's but the other day the male deer chased him up a tree, what a ball.

Also have dihadryted food for one year and in cans for six months more. One thing that you must do is to take at least one load with emergency equipment and food and buried it in the national forest about 5 clicks away from you, never hurts to have an emergency place to go if you have to leave.

For weapons you will need a shoot gun and a pistol for short range, a mini 14 for medium and a 308 or 30-06 for long range. Night visions and big ears would not hurt to have and also some cammo to use in the forest.

Rig up your place with some silent alarms that will send a signal to your trailer at nite time and also make a hole in the floor of your trailer in order to have an emergency exit.

edjerider
05-01-2004, 09:37 AM
" Since GIM is about investing with a weary eye towards the future, buying rural property seems to fit right in with survival of the financial fittest. "

You don't have couch it in financial terms for me, I'm a survivalist too. Thanks, I appreciated your post as I am looking for a place here in aus and the data you gave has opened my eyes. Backing onto a state forest! I never would have thought of that, fantastic idea! And up the end of a dusty unused road would be far better for security than an open ender. I plan to make mine like the bat cave and cover the entrance with a big bush, I'm not that paranoid really, I just like the idea of secrecy. A switch back entrance off what looks like a roadside pullover, and a dense bush to drive through! :smokin:

xzorro
05-01-2004, 11:42 AM
Hi Halophyte ! I don't want to spoil the party, but being in the middle of nowhere is may acceptable for the rowdies and Hillbillies, but how do you seduce good-looking and elegant young ladies to such a place ? And without good company life is not the same... Yes, survival is important but it should be pleasant also.

If I would make such a proposition to my sweetheart, she thinks that I have become nuts.

So, how do you manage that ?

BR

hoarder
05-01-2004, 12:16 PM
One of the first steps in setting up your remote hideaway is to bring in a shipping container, also known as a "Sea-Van" or "Conex building". These can be had used and in good condition for six to nine bucks a square foot. That will give you a base of operations until you get your living quarters established.

They are very secure, if you use good locks, the only way in without a key is with a torch. I have one on my timberland which I painted green and use to store 4-wheeler, teepee canvas, guns and ammo etc and when I'm around I keep my food in it as a "bear box".

They are not good for sleeping in, as they are hot during the day and cold at night. When I camp there, I just throw the canvas on the already set-up teepee frame and it's far less claustrophobic than the metal box.

hoarder
05-01-2004, 12:30 PM
Xzorro,
Although I doubt she would live in it year round, after my girlfreind stayed 3 nights in the teepee at 6000' elevation in remote quietness, she was ready to go back and do it again after one night in a motel in Missoula. Find yourself a lady that likes nature and quiet, they do exist. GLTU.

xzorro
05-01-2004, 12:58 PM
Hi ! Regarding the good-looking young ladies I want to remark that yes there are a few who also like nature and quietness, but usually for a change. What they (and also I) usually don't like is primitive circumstances. IMO some people are too much involved with survival and don't enjoy life as can be done.

So, don't forget where it is all about: carpe diem... Don't postpone the good times/ life for some time later.

Of course, JMHO

BR

IrishGold
05-01-2004, 01:43 PM
For the newbies here,
Go to this post: http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=9696
This will give you the instructions for going to a website where I have posted many articles, and much information on survival.

AKBill
05-04-2004, 05:03 PM
Well that all sounds good but what about urban settings there doesnt seem to be to much on the board reguarding those of us who's wife's whant nothing to do with "moving to the woods". I for one am lucky, although I live in the bigest city in alaska I have a salmon stream within a half mile of home. Fresh water and enough fish to feed an army.

AKBill
05-04-2004, 05:16 PM
Nah Camble creek huge king run but the creek is so narrow its been closed to fishing for years. the state says because of how narrow the stream is 3-4 feet in some places that the fishery would be desimated in just one year if opened. So every season i walk by it and just see it thick with kings were talking 30-40 pound monsters thousands of them all stacked up.

AKBill
05-04-2004, 05:37 PM
Nah your thinking out by eagle river this is camble creek in south west Anchorage

Infidel
05-04-2004, 05:44 PM
http://www.savvysurvivor.com/survival_environment.htm

Halophyte
05-04-2004, 06:19 PM
Hi ! Regarding the good-looking young ladies I want to remark that yes there are a few who also like nature and quietness, but usually for a change. What they (and also I) usually don't like is primitive circumstances. IMO some people are too much involved with survival and don't enjoy life as can be done.

So, don't forget where it is all about: carpe diem... Don't postpone the good times/ life for some time later.

Of course, JMHO

BR



So what's "primitive" about hot showers and cold beer? Microwave ovens and warm beds?

Don't postpone for sure - get your act together so you can enjoy your backcountry hide-away for camping vacations before SHTF.


.

PONCE
05-04-2004, 08:07 PM
I suggest you guys stop talking about Alaska brrrrrrrrrrrrr I was at Ft. Richarson and Ft. Greely from 59 to 62 and I HATE THAT PLACE, can you guys imagine? a Cuban in Alaska? that was a joke,,,,,,,oh yeah, and from 65 below, Ft Greely, they send me to Nam 115 above,,,,,, all in one week.

Like I tell people, if heaven is cold I'd rather go to hell.

IrishGold
05-04-2004, 09:41 PM
I suggest you guys stop talking about Alaska brrrrrrrrrrrrr I was at Ft. Richarson and Ft. Greely from 59 to 62 and I HATE THAT PLACE, can you guys imagine? a Cuban in Alaska? that was a joke,,,,,,,oh yeah, and from 65 below, Ft Greely, they send me to Nam 115 above,,,,,, all in one week.

Like I tell people, if heaven is cold I'd rather go to hell.
Yes, and the humidity at Ft. Greely was probably around 20% and in Nam it was 99%
Dry socks? What's that?