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gpond
01-10-2004, 10:13 PM
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<DT><CENTER><HR></CENTER><CENTER>Rense.com </CENTER><CENTER><HR></CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER><CENTER style="MARGIN: 0px"> </CENTER><DT><CENTER></CENTER><DT><CENTER>Colloidal Silver - Will It

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<DT><CENTER>By Steven Bratman, M.D.</CENTER><DT><CENTER>http://www.tnp.com/news/article/322/</CENTER><DT><CENTER>8-17-1</CENTER><DT><CENTER><TABLE height=129 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=531 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width="100%" height=128><DL><DT>Note - Colloidal silver in the proper size particle and within safe parts per million ratios have been effective against many bacterial issues. Unfortunately, more is not necessarily better and some products have too high a ppm and/or too large silver particles...which can lead to potential trouble...as indicated below. - ed <DT><DT><DT>The metal silver can kill bacteria and is often used for this purpose in water purifiers. Based on this fact, silver- containing supplements are widely marketed for the prevention and treatment of numerous diseases. However, there is no real evidence that such supplements provide any benefit, and they can produce a peculiar and permanent side effect called argyria. <DT><DT>Medicinal silver is most often sold as colloidal silver protein (CSP). In a recent case report, a 56-year-old man noticed a blue discoloration under his fingernails.1 He had been taking CSP supplements daily for 3 years, in hopes of preventing colds and allergies. The diagnosis was argyria, a blue-black tinting of the skin and mucous membranes caused by a build-up of silver. Numerous similar cases have been reported in recent years.2,3 <DT><DT>In argyria, silver deposited in the body reacts with the sun through a process similar to that of the development of a photographic negative. This leads to permanent discoloration of the skin. Changes may be seen in the eyes, lips, and nose as well. <DT><DT>The condition was even more common in decades past, when CSP was an accepted medical treatment. Fortunately, argyria is seldom dangerous, although in some cases nerve damage may occur. <DT><DT>Under current law, supplements may not be taken off the market until they are proven dangerous. Thus, it is up to consumers to protect themselves. We advise that you avoid products containing CSP unless you don't mind turning permanently blue! <DT><DT>1. Gulbranson SH, Hud JA, Hansen RC. Argyria following the use of dietary supplements containing colloidal silver protein. Cutis. 2000;66:373ñ374, 376. <DT><DT>2. Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver products for medical indications: risk-benefit assessment. J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34:119ñ 126. <DT><DT>3. Chomchai S, Kim SY. Argyria secondary to chronic ingestion of colloidal silver [abstract]. J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 2000;38:552ñ553. <DT><DT><DT><DT>Comment <DT><DT>From Bob Travers

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8-18-1
<DT><DT>Dear Jeff, <DT><DT>The article on colloidal silver was very jaded! Here are some facts: <DT><DT>1. If the pure silver is down to .001 microns in particle size, or smaller, the silver will pass on through our systems with no residuals in organ tissues (other than being used as a matabolite and with other chemical reactions in the body). If the silver particle size is small enough there can't be toxicity in any form. <DT><DT>2. Colloidal silver kills all bacteria given sufficient contact time, that is why we have to replenish the good bacteria in the body after using it. <DT><DT><DT>3. One of my customers (change RO filters once a year, etc) had overdosed with silver for 4-5 years (with a generator that doesn't get particle size down small enough). His is the worst skin reaction I have seen, but one year after changing his intake source and quantity, his skin returned to normal pigmentation. <DT><DT>4. All the skin cells of the epidermis are completely replaced in 7 years. <DT><DT>5. Personal experience...I have been subligating my colloidal silver for a 10 minute duration at night every other day (incubation of bacteria is 24-96 hours normally, viruses 12-48 hours). Dentists won't like this to get out the to general public....subligating for 10 minutes wipes out all the bacteria trying to exist in between teeth and gums. I needed a root canal 3 years ago and the pain was killing me...when I remembered the research paper I read (dated 1906) that stated silver needed 6 minutes of contact time to stop the respiration cycle of the bacterium. <DT><DT>People don't need to suffer from cavities again if they do a preventive program with colloidal silver. Within 15 minutes of my first time subligating for 10 minutes - 3years ago - the tremendous pain that I felt with every heartbeat was gone forever. I have been taking it for over 5 years and have not had a common cold or flu bug...although it (CS) doesn't work against all viruses and microorganisms. But what a blessing to human kind if we can kee it from being suppressed again...like it was in 1938. <DT><DT>Take Care & Peace be with you, <DT><DT>Bob Travers

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silverghost
01-10-2004, 10:39 PM
I saw a photograph of a man with this condition. It reminded me of the Oummpa's on Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, only he wasn't singing, dancing or making candy. He looked blue and very pi**** off. He arrived at this condition after a prolonged period of chewing silver-containing smoking-cessation losenges. This man's chances on the dating scene are slim, unless in the 1 and 1,000,000,000, chance he finds someone else with his condition.

gpond
01-10-2004, 11:49 PM
I saw a photograph of a man with this condition. It reminded me of the Oummpa's on Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, only he wasn't singing, dancing or making candy. He looked blue and very pi**** off. He arrived at this condition after a prolonged period of chewing silver-containing smoking-cessation losenges. This man's chances on the dating scene are slim, unless in the 1 and 1,000,000,000, chance he finds someone else with his condition.Let's get shocking photos out of the way. They will be coming, anyway. From what I've read so far, (and looking forward to learning more), and as it is the same with any drug or remedy -- rule number one applies. Rule number one being: know what you are doing. Looking forward to hearing more about this interesting concept.

Now for shocking photo:

http://together.net/~rjstan/rose1.jpg

This is presented at this link:
http://together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

I look forward to hearing experiences of others who have not (or have?) had the sensational results depicted above.

The value of the internet is that we can learn from each other and cut through some of the bull. What you think?

Grizzled One
01-11-2004, 12:00 AM
Let's get shocking photos out of the way. They will be coming, anyway. From what I've read so far, (and looking forward to learning more), and as it is the same with any drug or remedy -- rule number one applys. Rule number one being: know what you are doing. Looking forward to hearing more about this interesting concept.

Now for shocking photo:

http://together.net/~rjstan/rose1.jpg

This is presented at this link:
http://together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

I look forward to hearing experiences of others who have not (or have?) had the sensational results depicted above.

The value of the internet is that we can learn from each other and cut through some of the bull. What you think?
Gee, what do you think her melt value is??????:ThankYou: :haha: :haha: :rock:

Grizzled One
01-11-2004, 12:19 AM
Oh, you know you all wanted to say it!!!

silverghost
01-11-2004, 12:28 AM
Hmmm...interesting photos. I followed the link and viewed more of the cases.Yikes!

My question would be this: At what point does the reasonable man or woman say, "Hey, I'm turning blue?" At the first couple shades? The photo I saw of the 'stop smoking guy' looked similar. He went for years, apparently never walked by a mirror, before getting to a point where he had serious problems.

The overwhelming body of evidence suggests these problems stem from over-consumption for long periods of time. More importantly, the literature suggests these people ingested large amounts of poorly manufactured colloidal silver, which begs the question: What is the correct method for manufacturing colloidal silver of proper ppm?

On another website, the woman posted above is said to have arrived at her condition through a silver nitrate nasal salve ( whatever the H*** that is) prescribed through her doctor. Apparently her case is well known in certain circles.

G-khan
01-11-2004, 12:30 AM
You know you will get all these scare stories from people who have no idea. I went through the sixties and did a lot of inhaling unlike Bill I did inhale. We used to go to a local theater on Saturday nights to smoke and watch a movie called "Reefer Madness". This movie was presented to scare you. I bet you could get some real ugly and in fact pictures of dead people from bad reactions to penicilin. Swelled up and looking real bad .. You had some people who could sell and market this so we got to see the benifits. Whenever you can prescribe and take something that is free you see all the pitfalls..

Here is another example and it is my opinion. I took acid LSD many times back in the sixties even had some red ones but a lot of Purple haze. There were about 5 cases of someone on a trip that jumped off buildings. Now the media hyped this as they were trying to fly and that is what the public saw. I wondered how they knew what they were thinking - I always thought they were commiting suicide.

Well I would bet that on an average day 5 drunks around the country jump off of something to their deaths and you never hear they were trying to fly.. IMO Alcohol is a much more dangerous drug than pot or LSD and causes people to act violently and impulsively. How many of us know someone or have seen someone drunk and violent...

As you all know who read this forum how things are presented to us can convince many that it is reality..

I don't know about Silver Colloidal but I will judge it myself and report what I find out. My first impression is that it is very powerful and can work when many things have failed and the best part it is free. I had my spleen removed and the spleen is one of the organs that take out invaders to your system when they have antibodies attached. So my system is weakened in the sense that it does not have the main organ for infections. Some people who have their spleens out have prescribed by the Dr. an antibiotic to take for the rest of their life to help them cope. It seems some of my other organs have compensated for this loss but colloidal may take some of the added stress from that...

As always be sceptical and come to your own conclusions..

And of coarse use at your own risk after researching it...

gpond
01-11-2004, 12:40 AM
G-khan,

How can I say? Been there, done that, too? I'm trying to mean that I can relate. Oops. Parents may be reading as I have sent them this forum. Sorry Mom and Dad! We'll talk later.

Still have my spleen, although was damaged in sledding accident once. Always valued it highly since then.

Looking forward to learning more.

gpond

PS. Re-reading my posts I feel I'm often unclear. My position is that I am very interested in Colloidal Silver and that I am very interested in learning more. Excited about the new forum and looking forward to hearing from those in-the-know folks.

IrishGold
01-11-2004, 12:46 AM
Gee, what do you think her melt value is??????:ThankYou: :haha: :haha: :rock:Dang it Grizzled One, I almost snuffled my beer with that!
I hate it when beer comes out my nose!

silverghost
01-11-2004, 12:52 AM
Here's an article about a Libertarian senate candidate turning blue after too much colloidal silver: http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0%2C1286%2C57119%2C00.html

IrishGold
01-11-2004, 12:59 AM
Here's an article about a Libertarian senate candidate turning blue after too much colloidal silver: http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0%2C1286%2C57119%2C00.htmlYeah but he's from one of those way up north states, so maybe he's just really, really cold!
:bandit:

SilverStreak
01-11-2004, 05:05 AM
Have made and used Colloidal Silver for 10 years also buy some ASAP product from CFTN.PK subsidary as I have Lupus and needto take a medicine that comprizes my immune system somewhat so that is why I take CS. ---- You drink the very clear supernatent liquid on the top 4/5 of the bottle and do not shake up the bottom material--- The senate idiot admitted that he shook the bottle each time he took a teaspoon full---- On days when i have an infection ( cold of sniffles ) I have been known to drink 8 oz of CS with 64 oz water over a day but never do I shake up the sediment on the bottom and drink that also ----- The ASAP liquid that comes from CFTN is totally clear and very low concentrations of 5 to 10 parts per million and costs for a major shareholder is about $8 per 8 oz bottle in cases of 36 bottles the stuff I make CS close to 500 parts per million or above . I drink some every day even when in the hospital as my wife kept me in my supply---would not be without it------no colds or flu or major infections except in hospital recently and that is why I drank much in the hospital but never do I ever shake the bottle and stir up the sediment on the bottom and drink that as that is pure chemical silver in chloride or oxide etc form. Absolutely no blue ting to my skin none--nada

Bobcat
01-11-2004, 11:17 AM
I am of the opinion that taking any non-nutritional compound or medicine, prophylactically or as an elixir, without a specific underlying medical condition, is not a good approach to maintaining optimum health. CS sounds promising for the TREATMENT of some viruses and bacterial conditions, but anything that destroys the bacteria in the digestive track, used on a longterm basis, even with replacement with acidophilus, doesn't sound like a good approach to health.

For the prevention of colds and to strengthen the immune system, fairly high doses of vitamin C, a necessary nutrient and deficient in most modern diets, is safe and effective.

I wouldn't hesitate to use CS to treat a condition, but not as a daily elixir for prevention.

SilverStreak
01-11-2004, 12:13 PM
Recomended by rheumatoligist and a neutritional doctor and have read 7 books on subject and it does not kill the good bacteria in colon ---so do some DD Bobcat and then give your opinions as that is what they are--only opinions --- and thanks be to the Lord that you have no disease that makes you vulenerable to other types of diseases

Bobcat
01-11-2004, 01:10 PM
Recomended by rheumatoligist and a neutritional doctor and have read 7 books on subject and it does not kill the good bacteria in colon ---so do some DD Bobcat and then give your opinions as that is what they are--only opinions --- and thanks be to the Lord that you have no disease that makes you vulenerable to other types of diseasesSilverStreak, no doubt what I said was opinion, which I believe I stated clearly. I have done some reading on the subject and have read from various sources that CS does kill beneficial bacteria (including the article in this tread). Most of what anybody says about CS is opinion, even with personal experience, unless you area medical researcher and have conducted longterm, widescale studies, that can be duplicated following the procedures set out in your research.

I have had an active interest in health and preventive health for over 30 years. I am no expert, but I have managed to keep myself and my family in good health so far. As far as CS for your particular condition, I hope you get the results you desire, and that your health continues to improve.

SilverStreak
01-11-2004, 02:44 PM
After I wrote to you what i did I thought it was shitty so here is my apology for using unkind language as i am an old befuddled farthead ---- that is over opinioned of himself---- enjoy this site as for info it is one of the best around for PM info ---Again Sorry SilverStreak

Bobcat
01-11-2004, 03:17 PM
After I wrote to you what i did I thought it was shitty so here is my apology for using unkind language as i am an old befuddled farthead ---- that is over opinioned of himself---- enjoy this site as for info it is one of the best around for PM info ---Again Sorry SilverStreak
No apology necessary SilverStreak, and I do enjoy this site and have learned a lot. I also enjoy expressing my unrequested opinion here, that way I can spare those around me who don't really want to hear it. Best to you.
Bobcat