Question for ya'll lawyers

[Tn...Andy]

To any lawyers out in cyberland:

Since Art 1 Sec 10 of the US Constitution reads very plainly in a list of what states are forbidden to do:

No state shall...make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts...

Has anyone ever actually TRIED to force a state to pay it's debts in gold or silver coin ?

Such as a state salary or pension or lottery winnings, payment for goods/services delivered to that state ?

Just curious if you've run across anything like that.

And HOW would one go about doing so ?

[Tn...Andy]

Yep....got plenty of time....you got answers ?

[kleinphi]

Doesn't that text also mean that dollar bills as we know them cannot be made by any state?

Actually, now that I think about it. As long as the state does not MAKE the dollar bill, it should still be allowed to USE it as legal tender, shouldn't it?

[PONCE]

Doesn't that text also mean that dollar bills as we know them cannot be made by any state?

Actually, now that I think about it. As long as the state does not MAKE the dollar bill, it should still be allowed to USE it as legal tender, shouldn't it?


Spoken as a true lawyer...... let the lawyers be the first ones to go.

[BarnacleBob]

Actually the US Government is prohibited from producing anything but coin as a legal tender. Their answer was to cicumvent the constitution by licensing a "private" corporation, The Federal Reserve to conduct what the US government is specifically prohibited from doing.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding."-- Article IV, United States Constitution

Legal tender status of fiat dollar is achieved by subverting the treaty clause (supra). The IRS is a subsidiary of the private Fed, however penalties, ect. are prosecuted under contract law in the admiralty jurisdiction via tax treaty and agreement. Your very use of fiat dollar creates nexus of obligation.

No state shall...make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts...

Has anyone ever actually TRIED to force a state to pay it's debts in gold or silver coin ?

Keep in mind that the whole matter is an illusional fraud not based upon truth. Thus there are many holes in the scheme as you have pointed out and recognized....however, the common Citizen would never put it together and the courts would ignore and dismiss your claim, namely for "failure to stake a claim upon which relief may be granted," or some other peculate and illusional syphillous claim to prevent addressing the constitutionality of the subject matter.

Why can't you stake a claim? Claims must be of substance, the dollar is not substance!

[kleinphi]

Your very use of fiat dollar creates nexus of obligation.


This makes a certain degree of sense. But the way I see it, I have never signed a treaty or agreed to any arrangement beyond the fiat dollars I have used. Should it not follow that if I stop using fiat money altogether, I will not have to pay income tax anymore? They cannot say: "Last year you used federal reserve notes, therefore you have to pay us income tax on the gold you are earning this year." I mean, of course they can say that, but if a contract of this nature can be created by simply using a dollar bill at any point in one's lifetime, I will write up similar contracts and get people to trade a marble for a piece of paper I have made, then give me back the paper, and I will trade them a different marble for it, and from then on they will have to pay me 50% of their income as long as they live, without ever having signed or even read that contract I will have made in exactly the same way as the "use of fiat money creates income tax liability" is working right now.

[HistoryStudent]

If you think the FIAT dollar is against the constitition, wait till you see the next new baby - a world digital dollar put out by the new FED called the IMF under the UN.

I hear that James Sinclair mentioned that 50% of mortgaged real estate is less than three years old in new paper. And approximately 65% of that plus 50% is under adjustable rates. So around one-third of all mortgaged real estate in America is dependent upon low rates. What "if" some private Cabal corporation pulls the plug and JUST hikes interest rates to become a bigger kingdom with only one digital currency complete with a personal debit card with a chip inplanted into the bearer.

"Rome is to built built brick by brick, my citizens," by Hadrian.

"Freedom in America is being taken away brick by brick, my citizens,"
History S.