My Arthritis...

[G-khan]

I have become convinced that most people will never know how good this stuff is unless they have a generator.

About a week ago I took a dose of 12 oz of colloidal in one day. I am makeing it at about 13-15 parts per million. I have arthritis in my hands feet and neck. I have had pain for at least 10 years in these areas. I drank the 12 oz all in the morning at work over about a 4 hour span. Got home and laid down and took a nap for about an hour and a half.

When I first wake up from sleeping and have not moved my joints seems to be at the worst time. Well I woke up and barefooted hit the floor and expected the usual pain and I had none - you should have seen me I started dancing around with joy and then I flexed my hands and no pain there - they still felt tight but no pain. Its a week later now and still no pain and they are now less tight.

My point of this post is - I would never have taken 12 oz if I bought it, as 12 oz of 15 ppm is 30 bucks but now I get a gallon of the stuff for under a buck. Most people only take teaspoons a day and they will never reach a threaputic level - it costs too much.

:rock:

[kleinphi]

Thank you for sharing this experience. While I have not had any arthritis yet, I have still been doing experiments with colloidal silver. I remember the first couple of days after starting to take larger amounts (probably 4 to 8 ounces of 10 ppm a day) I did not sleep too well, and I felt like my mind was tired of thinking, but my body did not want to sleep. I also had a metallic taste in my mouth most of the time. All these symptoms disappeared after about three days, and I have not had them ever since, even though I have occasionally ingested large amounts of colloidal silver. Did you happen to notice anything along those lines?

One more thing, I am assuming you are talking about colloidal silver. I have heard and read about colloidal gold being effective against arthritis specifically. I don't have a link, and I am not intending to give any advice, medical or otherwise, just pointing out a potential area of interest to you.

Also, I don't think colloidal gold can be manufactured the same way as colloidal silver.

[gpond]

G-khan,

What gave you the idea to try a "mega-dose"? Have you read or heard about this somewhere? Do you have any idea how, or through what "mechanism", it might have helped your arthritis? I'm not skeptical about the experience you have reported, but I'm curious about how CS could have helped.

I am a little concerned if you are experimenting on yourself, as I enjoy having you HEALTHY, wealthy, and wise.

gpond

[gpond]

kleinphi,

That goes for you as well!

gpond

[kleinphi]

kleinphi,

That goes for you as well!

gpond

Thanks. But I am using this substance for a good reason as well. Actually two reasons:

[As always, if you don't like to read details about how my body is decaying, please don't read the rest of this post.]

1. When I was young and foolish, I neglected to disinfect my shirts after washing them in a public machine (at the usual lukewarm temperatures that we call "hot" here in the US of A). I was also using the usual carcinogenic toxins commonly referred to as "underarm deodorant". Like I said, I was young and foolish, and had not yet learned to always assume everything I see on TV is a lie until proven true. As a consequence, I developed what I am fairly certain is a fungal infection in my armpits about three years ago. I tried several different types of external remedies, and most of them had a noticeable effect while I was using them, but afterwards the symptoms returned every time. About a year ago it briefly spread to one of my thighs, but it was only a few small patches of skin, so I killed it with wart remover. My legs have been clean since. Unfortunately, the infection took a hold of my face and behind my ear about six months ago. The first experiment I did with colloidal silver was topical application behind the infected ear. The symptoms disappeared after only two days and have not returned since, therefore I am now trying an external approach on all the infected skin and drinking some colloid as well. I have been symptom free for a couple of weeks now, but this does not mean much, since standard antifungal medications like Clotrimazol had the same effects. I am planning to stay on colloidal silver for at least several months, until it is worked into all my shirts, towels, etc. as well. I figure this will give me the best chance of eradicating the disease.

2. When I was even younger and even more foolish (and my parents, unfortunately, were equally foolish) I used to eat (and drink) a lot of white refined sugar. As you might know, it is contained in almost all foods and soft drinks offered to the general population, especially in the foods and drinks children like. This caused my teeth to start rotting, and of course our society's answer was not education, but the insertion of silver (alloyed with the potent neurotoxin mercury) into my teeth. While I cannot change the fact that most of my teeth will never be the way God meant them to be, I am now doing everything I can to stop the decay while I still have a significant portion of my natural teeth. Part of this is my search for a substance that will kill bacteria while being harmless enough to humans to be applied to the inside of one's mouth several times a day. I had been using a 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide for several years with excellent results. But then I read about colloidal silver here on GIM, and it seemed to me that it might be worth a try. It is definitely milder than the peroxide, and it seems to kill bacteria even better (as I mentioned in another post about my tongue injuries). The one thing it does not do as well as peroxide is whiten teeth. They used to be really bright, and now they are a more "normal", almost greyish color. But it is not extreme or anything, just like someone who does not use any whitening agents at all. And like with my face, I prefer health over appearance. This might be considered un-American nowadays, but it is what I believe in. And as long as it does not say in the Constitution that healthy-looking teeth are more important than healthy teeth, I am not going to worry about it.

But I do have a few worries besides grey skin:

1. Silver is a heavy metal (like mercury, cadmium, plutonium, and a few others I definitely wouldn't want to stay in my body). If my body uses too much of its resources to keep excreting the silver I am constantly putting into it, it might not have enough left to get rid of those toxic metals I just mentioned.

2. Colloidal silver is nothing but distilled water with a very few silver particles suspended in it. Since I apply it to my teeth for a large total amount of time, I have to wonder how much calcium it might be "pulling" from or washing out of my enamel. Drinking too much distilled water is never a good idea, but I am eating food rich in calcium and other minerals to counteract most of the possible negative effects.

As always, any input is greatly appreciated.

[gpond]

I have not much experience, so thanks for sharing yours.

I'm using CS mostly in my humidifiers to prevent the filters from spoiling by growing fungus or mildew or whatever makes them smell bad. I have taken CS internally on a few occasions, and have noticed a metallic taste in my mouth. That was a commercial brand of CS, so I haven't noted this effect on the CS I make at home.

I've also used it on a recurring itch that might be called "heat rash". The CS seems very effective on that, even with only one or two applications. I have one wisdom tooth which occasionally wants to become infected. I have used CS as a mouthwash to combat that, and it seems effective there too, but I believe my experience with that is too short to draw a valid conclusion.

I have also used it on small cuts to no ill effect.

[G-khan]

G-khan,

What gave you the idea to try a "mega-dose"? Have you read or heard about this somewhere? Do you have any idea how, or through what "mechanism", it might have helped your arthritis? I'm not skeptical about the experience you have reported, but I'm curious about how CS could have helped.

I am a little concerned if you are experimenting on yourself, as I enjoy having you HEALTHY, wealthy, and wise.

gpond
I have many reports that I have read including many people that take 16 oz a day and some as much as 32. I took about 12 oz of 15 ppm. Most of what I have read says 4 oz is what is needed at minimum to have a theraputic affect. I can see no reports of overdoses anywhere from true colloidal Silver.

I am convinced that most people are not taking enough as it has no side effects. They never get to the level that is needed to kill all the crap in their systems. If you do not have a generator you will not take enough. If you buy it off the shelf it will cost 20 to 30 bucks for 8 oz bottle. Most people just take a couple of spoons full a day IMO this is not enough. 4 oz a day will start taking you to a theraputic level to clean out what is in you and after that 2 oz a day for maintenance..

I challenge you to go out and find some one that has taken too much. The stuff is like iron in your water and will not harm you. I took 12 oz and that was plenty and is the level needed to rid me of my pain from arthritis...

[gpond]

Thanks for the update, G-khan. I'm very happy that your pain is gone. I'm still scratching my head about why it works. But glad you are pain free.

[Silverity]

G-Khan, you posted a similar message about your arthritis and high CS dosage a few months ago. Does that mean the previous dosage wore off? How frequent do you anticipate dosages to be?

My father-in-law has arthritis pretty bad, but convincing him to down large amounts of CS would be a non-starter.

Silverity.

[G-khan]

G-Khan, you posted a similar message about your arthritis and high CS dosage a few months ago. Does that mean the previous dosage wore off? How frequent do you anticipate dosages to be?

My father-in-law has arthritis pretty bad, but convincing him to down large amounts of CS would be a non-starter.

Silverity.
Yes I took about 12 oz of 12 ppm and it has been much better ever since. My joints still feel kinda tight but 90% of the pain is gone. I take about 2 oz a day normally and have never repeated taking 12 oz again. I have no idea why it has helped so much but it has...

[Cambrian]

Yes I took about 12 oz of 12 ppm and it has been much better ever since. My joints still feel kinda tight but 90% of the pain is gone. I take about 2 oz a day normally and have never repeated taking 12 oz again. I have no idea why it has helped so much but it has...

A great deal of arthritis is caused by viruses which deposit dieoff poisons in the joints when they run their life span. This poison is the source of the pain.
I have taken CS in therapeutic amounts for 4 1/2 years to first contol and since then prevent prostate cancer which runs in my family. Cancers are also caused by viruses. Do a search on Royal Rife for more information on this subject.

[xzorro]

Hi ! What do you mean by:
[QUOTE=Cambrian]I have taken CS in therapeutic amounts for 4 1/2 years /QUOTE]

BR

[Cambrian]

I had a high PSA reading (7.9) 4 1/2 years ago. I used colloidal silver to bring it down to below 3 and have taken 1 to 2 ounces daily since that time. A good diet (no junk food) is important also. Especially no sugar since cancer cells feed on sugar. That means NO soda pop!

[fetwaki]

One thing to consider with arthritis is food allergies. Food allergies can be the cause of joint inflamation.

[G-khan]

One thing to consider with arthritis is food allergies. Food allergies can be the cause of joint inflamation.
Do not think what I have is caused by allergies - my guess is some kind of bug or virus in the joints... CS killed it!

[Silverstone]

G-Khan, can you tell me how I could go about making this stuff myself, I am a complete beginner, don't know anything about it, but I too suffer from arthritis that just keeps getting worse I think...tired of being stiff and sore all the time, I'm willing to give it a try! (Hey, and hubby is going bald so I can talk him into trying it on his scalp!). Is there a website where I can buy the stuff to make it?

[G-khan]

G-Khan, can you tell me how I could go about making this stuff myself, I am a complete beginner, don't know anything about it, but I too suffer from arthritis that just keeps getting worse I think...tired of being stiff and sore all the time, I'm willing to give it a try! (Hey, and hubby is going bald so I can talk him into trying it on his scalp!). Is there a website where I can buy the stuff to make it?Here is what I bought and I love it - gpond has the same model.....

http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html

You just get some canning jars ... I use very large prego jars (about 48 ounce) got the large Prego at Sams...

Whats important is the distance across the mouth of the jar... 2 1/2 inches...

If you have the large jars you may want to ask for the 8 inch piece of Silver instead of the 6 inch. It will cost a few bucks more but you can make larger batches faster.. (these come with the generator)

It comes with silver and ready to go - set the dial to 5.5 and you will get a brew of 10 to 13 parts per million cs.

It cost me about 75 cents a gallon to make and I see it in the health food stores for 25 bucks for 12 ounces..

Take about 6 ounces a day and try a shot like I did 12 ounces at one time..

Make sure you use distilled water ...........

Try mixing it with cans of frozen juice... I use 2 cans of cs and a can of water...

Good luck - I am sure you will get some relief - hope you get as much as I did....

PS Pays for itself - you will never need a prescription for antibiotics again!

[gpond]

Silverstone,

G-khan showed me this model and I have been very happy with mine. This generator somehow monitors the solution and shuts off automatically which keeps you from having to guess when it is done. It is also not the most expensive, so perhaps a value for the money. Anyway, just sharing my experience that I am happy with it.

I use one quart canning jars (NOT wide mouth), and they seem to work fine. Read the instructions carefully.

Regards,
gpond

[Silverstone]

Thanks! I am going to order one Saturday...and I have printed off your instructions...can't wait to try it!

[fetwaki]

I strongly suspect my joint pains were due to a combination of malnutrition and reactions to certain foods. It can be hard to nail down food sensitivities, but I've concluded I have reactions to eggs and peanuts. There can be a long delay from when you eat the food to the reaction and the reaction can last a week (probably the pass through time).

I'm pretty much pain free now. I mostly avoid eggs & peanuts. I also take vitamins C, E, B-complex, and selenium almost daily.

[Silverity]

Anyone recommend a good book on the subject?

I also read that those meters you dip in to check ppm are useless since they don't actually detect silver?

Thanks,

Silverity.

[Cambrian]

I also read that those meters you dip in to check ppm are useless since they don't actually detect silver?
:proud: Actually, the ppm meters are a very useful tool. First of all, not all distilled water is created equal. I have found distilled water with up to 40 ppm total dissolved solids. No matter what process you use you will not make CS with water that bed. Check every new gallon of distilled water. It should read 0 ppm. If you are getting irregular results be sure the water is quality water.

Also when you finish a new batch, if you check the ppm with a TDS meter you will get an approximate real ppm reading. In a short time that reading will change to a lesser reading, but momentarily it will be fairly accurate.

Boiling will not change the quality of CS except to reduce the amount of water which will make it stronger; you cannot boil silver away. Never, never, freeze CS. Freezing purifies water and if you freeze water you end up with a very pure water with the silver settled to the bottom. Finally if you do not get a good Tyndall effect (the ability to see a light beam through the CS)(John Tyndall research, 1896) you can improve the quality from ionic to colloidal by adding a drop of food grade hydrogen peroxide. I do not know what the chemistry is but apparently it floculates the ionic particles and converts them to colloid size.

[Halophyte]

I have become convinced that most people will never know how good this stuff is unless they have a generator.

About a week ago I took a dose of 12 oz of colloidal in one day. I am makeing it at about 13-15 parts per million. I have arthritis in my hands feet and neck. I have had pain for at least 10 years in these areas. I drank the 12 oz all in the morning at work over about a 4 hour span. Got home and laid down and took a nap for about an hour and a half.

When I first wake up from sleeping and have not moved my joints seems to be at the worst time. Well I woke up and barefooted hit the floor and expected the usual pain and I had none - you should have seen me I started dancing around with joy and then I flexed my hands and no pain there - they still felt tight but no pain. Its a week later now and still no pain and they are now less tight.

My point of this post is - I would never have taken 12 oz if I bought it, as 12 oz of 15 ppm is 30 bucks but now I get a gallon of the stuff for under a buck. Most people only take teaspoons a day and they will never reach a threaputic level - it costs too much.

:rock:

I've hear that colloidal is a natural biocide that kills off pathogens in the digestive track (good for preventing colon cancer ? ) but the increase of dead pathogens need to be removed by the kidneys and liver (filters). It's recommended to keep up with higher fluid intake to flush these filters.

.

[Mr. Shiny]

Hello Everyone,

Although I am new here, I am experienced with CS for many years and have seen two problems as I scanned past posts (this topic)

1: many here seem to be mega-dosing CS,

while silver is not toxic, per se, it does accumulate in the body over time (as all heavy metals do) and this leads to argyria, a grey cast to the skin and sclera (white) of the eye. whilst this is not harmful it is permanent and off putting to the public.

2: some seem to be mixing their CS with all sorts of things (juice, tea, etc,)

this should not be done as it deactivates the silver (forms a compound),
this is the same reason for using distilled water when making up a batch.
silver compounds while they MAY be active as topical silver, pass through the body unabsorbed.
the same can be said for using metal spoons or containers for CS,
the silver will plate out on to a less noble metal, leaving you to injest, apply, instill nothing but water.

[Sequoia]

Hello Everyone,

Although I am new here, I am experienced with CS for many years and have seen two problems as I scanned past posts (this topic)

1: many here seem to be mega-dosing CS,

while silver is not toxic, per se, it does accumulate in the body over time (as all heavy metals do) and this leads to argyria, a grey cast to the skin and sclera (white) of the eye. whilst this is not harmful it is permanent and off putting to the public.

2: some seem to be mixing their CS with all sorts of things (juice, tea, etc,)

this should not be done as it deactivates the silver (forms a compound),
this is the same reason for using distilled water when making up a batch.
silver compounds while they MAY be active as topical silver, pass through the body unabsorbed.
the same can be said for using metal spoons or containers for CS,
the silver will plate out on to a less noble metal, leaving you to injest, apply, instill nothing but water.What do you consider to be a therapeutic dose? How about a preventative dose? And finally, a mega-dose?

[beggars tomb]

I know this is off topic somewhat but i can't seem to shake my athlete's foot
fungus i apply CS w/ a q-tip and it dosen't seem efective. i do use it as a rinse after brushing my teeth, i do think that helps quite a bit.
cheers
BT

[xzorro]

Hi ! Somewhat confused about your message. May I rephrase your words as follows:

1. Does not seem to help for athlete's foot fungus. Could it be that you don't use the high ppm CS ? Did you use the high ppm CS. What kind of CS did you use ?
2. It is useful after teeth brushing.

Question:
How does it help/ being useful with rinsing after teeth brushing. Do you think that it is the case or is there any tangible evidence for which problem ?

TIA

[beggars tomb]

i use a CS machine i dont know the potency of the CS. i am not alltogether consistant in useing the CS on my toe as i should be; i sometimes skip a day or whatever.i did buy some compound W today , i think that may take away enuf dead skin to get to the prob ; then i can start w/more CS.
i use CS as a rinse after i brush my teath to kill bacteria, and perhaps strengthen my gums.
cheers
BT

[Ann]

How is your arthritis now GK?

I have found avoidance of all vitamin C is an excellent way to control the inflamation associated with arthritis.

Ascorbic acid is added to a lot of canned fruit, plus most fruits contain immense amounts of vitamin C.

Green tea is also an irritant for Arthritis, as are vegetables high in vitamin C such as broccoli, capsicums, brussel sprouts, tomatoes.

Eliminating these from the diet has worked well for nearly 15 years to control serious arthritis which has crippled other family members quite severely.

This is an old thread so Begger's Tomb may not be around anymore....but athlete's foot fungus is caused by wearing the same shoes too often.

The way to counter this problem is to stuff your shoes with paper and dry them out so the fungus does not breed in the shoes and reinfect your feet. Alternatively, you could use a pair of cedar shoe trees...these are excellent for controlling tinea.

http://www.woodlore.com/images/products/shoe_care_products/productshots/category_shoe_tree.jpg

[MAGNES]

It cures arthritis, doesn't it make you gray skinned.

What happened to the experiment of growing hair?