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Anty Ep
12-07-2006, 06:25 PM
I hear lots of people talking about whether the 16th amendment was properly ratified. Just in case anybody here cares what federal judges think here is a case that talks about the topic.


868 F.2d 236
Marvin D. MILLER, Plaintiff-Appellant,
v.
UNITED STATES of America and Internal Revenue Service,
Defendants-Appellees.
No. 87-2969.
United States Court of Appeals,
Seventh Circuit.
Submitted Aug. 30, 1988. [FN*]
FN* After preliminary examination of the briefs, the court notified the parties that it had tentatively concluded that oral argument would not be helpful to the court in this case. The notice provided that any party might file a "Statement as to Need of Oral Argument." See Rule 34(a), Fed.R.App.P.; Circuit Rule 34(f). No such statement having been filed, the appeal has been submitted on the briefs and record.
Decided Feb. 8, 1989.
Affirmed.
Marvin D. Miller, Knox, Ind., for plaintiff-appellant.
J. Philip Klingeberger, Asst. U.S. Atty., Hammond, Ind., Gary
R. Allen, Chief, Appellate Sec., Ann Belanger Durney, Raymond W. Hepper
and Williams S. Rose, Jr., Asst. Attys. Gen., Tax Div., Dept. of Justice,
Washington, D.C., for defendants-appellees.
Before POSNER, MANION and KANNE, Circuit Judges.
PER CURIAM.
Marvin Miller is a tax protester whose persistence in pursuing meritless constitutional claims through the use of the judicial review mechanism for penalty assessments under the frivolous tax return provision of 26 U.S.C. s 6702 caused the district court to sanction him $1500 for costs and attorneys' fees under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The court also enjoined Miller from filing such claims in the future without first obtaining leave of court, 669 F.Supp. 906. Miller has brought this pro se appeal from the district court's denial of his motion to reconsider these sanctions.
I. BACKGROUND
This appeal arises from Miller's third attempt to challenge the constitutionality of the entire federal income tax structure. The genesis of the present action is Miller's 1984 tax return, in which he chose not to provide any information regarding his income. Instead, Miller entered either the word "None" or a double asterisk ("**") after each question on the return. Miller also typed a note on the return, explaining that the double asterisks signified his "specific objection to the question under the 5th Amendment U.S. Constitution," and "similar objections under 1, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13 & 14th Amendments." Miller also typed on the return that "[n]ew evidence, Certified and Documented, Shows the 16th Amendment was never legally passed. This means the whole Form, The IRS and income tax Structure is Fraudulent and Illegal, doesn't it? Please Advise!" The Internal Revenue Service responded by assessing Miller with a civil penalty of $500 for filing a "frivolous" return within the meaning of 26 U.S.C. s 6702. [FN1] Miller paid $75 of the penalty and filed unsuccessfully for a refund. He then relied on the judicial review provisions of 26 U.S.C. s 6703 [FN2] to challenge his assessment and the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment in district court. [FN3]
FN1. The frivolous return provision of 26 U.S.C. s 6702 provides that if: (1) any individual files what purports to be a return of the tax imposed by subtitle A but which-- (A) does not contain information on which the substantial correctness of the self-assessment may be judged, or (B) contains information that on its face indicates that the self-assessment is substantially incorrect; and (2) the conduct referred to in paragraph (1) is due to-- (A) a position which is frivolous, or (B) a desire (which appears on the purported return) to delay or impede the administration of Federal income tax laws, then such individual shall pay a penalty of $500.
FN2. In pertinent part, 26 U.S.C. s 6703 provides: (1) In general--If, within 30 days after the day on which notice and demand of any penalty under section 6700, 6701, or 6702 is made against any person, such person pays an amount which is not less than 15 percent of the amount of such penalty and files a claim for refund of the amount so paid, no levy or proceeding in court for the collection of the remainder of such penalty shall be made, begun, or prosecuted until the final resolution of a proceeding begun as provided in paragraph (2) ... (2) Person must bring suit in district court to determine his liability for penalty.
FN3. On two prior occasions Miller tried to press his constitutional objections to the federal income tax structure through use of the judicial review provisions of 26 U.S.C. s 6703. The first stemmed from Miller's purported tax return for 1982, which contained double asterisks and noted constitutional objections identical to the ones made in this case. The IRS sanctioned Miller $500 under s 6702. He paid $75.00 of the sanction, filed an unsuccessful claim for a refund, and then brought suit under s 6703. The district court granted the government's motion to dismiss in a published order which fully explained the inefficacy of Miller's blanket constitutional objections. Miller v. United States, 577 F.Supp. 980 (N.D.Ind.1984). Nonetheless, Miller repeated this process in filing his 1983 tax return. In an unpublished opinion, the district court again dismissed Miller's action, reiterating its analysis of the inefficacy of such blanket objections. The district court also sanctioned Miller $500 in attorneys' fees and costs under Fed.R.Civ.P. 11. We affirmed the district court's order in an unpublished opinion. Miller v. IRS, 799 F.2d 753 (7th Cir.1986).
In his complaint, Miller alleges that the sixteenth amendment is unconstitutional because it was illegally ratified. More specifically, he states in Count II that a book by William Benson and "Red" Beckman entitled The Law That Never Was (1985), documents the impropriety of the ratification process. Miller asked the district court to determine the legality of the sixteenth amendment, refund the $75 he paid toward the frivolous filing penalty, and rescind the unpaid balance of the penalty. The government, in turn, moved for summary judgment and requested attorneys' fees and costs for defending against a frivolous suit. On September 3, 1987, the district court granted the government's motion and dismissed Miller's complaint. The district court also sanctioned Miller $1500 under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and enjoined him from filing any further actions before it without first obtaining leave of court. The district court specified that leave to file would hinge upon Miller's certification that his claim is not one which he has previously pressed before the court and lost, and that the claim is brought in the good faith belief that it is not frivolous. On October 5, 1987, Miller filed a motion asking the district court to reconsider its sanctions. This the district court declined to do, and on December 1, 1987, Miller filed a notice of appeal. In this appeal, Miller argues that he brought his claim in good faith and that the sanctions are excessive.
II. ANALYSIS
The merits of the district court's imposition of sanctions in the present case are not before us since Miller filed his notice of appeal from the district court's September 3, 1987, dismissal order well beyond the sixty-day period prescribed for suits against the United States. Fed. R. App. P. 4(a)(1); Pryor v. U.S. Postal Service, 769 F.2d 281, 284 (5th Cir.1985). Adherence to this time limit is both mandatory and jurisdictional. Browder v. Director, Dept. of Corrections of Illinois, 434 U.S. 257, 264, 98 S.Ct. 556, 560, 561, 54 L.Ed.2d 521 (1978). Thus, the failure to file a timely notice from the district court's final judgment leaves us without appellate jurisdiction. Wort v. Vierling, 778 F.2d 1233, 1234 (7th Cir.1985). Miller's motion urging the district court to reconsider its order of sanctions--filed over one month after the court entered the order--must be treated as a motion under Rule 60(b). Browder, 434 U.S. at 263 n. 7, 98 S.Ct. at 560 n. 7. As such, it did not toll the time in which to file the notice of appeal from the district court's judgment. Id.; Marane, Inc. v. McDonald's Corp., 755 F.2d 106, 112 (7th Cir.1985). Our review is therefore limited to the question whether the district court abused its discretion in denying the motion for reconsideration. Marane at 755 F.2d 112; Tunca v. Lutheran General Hospital, 844 F.2d 411, 412 (7th Cir.1988).
Relief from a judgment under Rule 60(b) is limited to the following reasons: mistake, inadvertence, excusable neglect, newly discovered evidence, fraud, and "any other reason justifying relief from the operation of the judgment." Fed.R.Civ.P. 60(b). Miller made no reference to any of these grounds in his motion to reconsider. Rather, his request for relief is based upon the allegations that the district court encouraged him to prosecute his case by granting him a jury trial in response to his request; that he was not using the courts frivolously because he was following a statutorily proscribed procedure; and that the sanctions against him are excessive. Each of these claims is without merit. For example, the first claim is unavailing since the district court's order granting Miller a jury trial according to 28 U.S.C. s 2402 if his case proceeded to that point cannot legitimately be considered "encouragement" to prosecute a frivolous action. Miller's contention that his claims are not frivolous merely because he is following the procedure enumerated in 26 U.S.C. ss 6702 and 6703 is equally meritless. However, his argument on this point has highlighted a trend of rather significant proportions which may benefit from some attention.
When Congress instituted the frivolous return penalty provisions of 26 U.S.C. ss 6702 and 6703, it was seeking to address the vexing problem associated with the approximately 13,600 illegal protest returns the Internal Revenue Service had under investigation as of June 30, 1981. The legislative history of these provisions reveals that Congress sought to implement a mechanism for addressing the "rapid growth in deliberate defiance of the tax laws by tax protestors." S.Rep. No. 97-494, 97th Cong., 2d Sess. 278, reprinted in 1982 U.S.Code Cong. & Ad. News 781, 1024 [hereinafter Senate Report]. To that end, s 6702 was intended to provide the IRS with an immediately assessable penalty for such frivolous protest returns. The Senate Report specifically stated that "the penalty will be immediately assessable against any individual filing a return in which many or all of the line items are not filled in except for references to spurious constitutional objections." Senate Report, 1982 U.S.Code Cong. & Ad.News at 1024. Similarly, it is clear that s 6703 was designed to provide only limited federal judicial review of whether the penalty imposed under s 6702 was proper in light of the aims of Congress. Senate Report, 1982 U.S.Code Cong. & Ad.News at 1025.
The legislative history of these provisions makes it clear that in this case as well as in his two previous actions, Miller has sought to turn the judicial review procedure of s 6703 on its head by making it a vehicle for challenging the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment. Miller's repeated abuse of s 6703 to press his stale constitutional claims has confounded Congress' larger and unquestionably legitimate aim of maintaining the integrity of the income tax system. Senate Report, 1982 U.S.Code Cong. & Ad.News at 1025.
Our research into the practice employed by Miller and the issues he has attempted to raise reveals a troubling pattern of similar cases. Schoffner v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 812 F.2d 292 (6th Cir.1987) (challenge to frivolous penalty assessment for filing return containing asterisks and blanket fifth amendment objection); Eicher v. United States, 774 F.2d 27 (1st Cir.1985) (challenge to frivolous penalty assessment for filing return containing asterisks and blanket fifth amendment objection); Paulson v. United States, 758 F.2d 61 (2d Cir.1985) (challenge to frivolous penalty assessment for filing return containing asterisks and series of constitutional objections); Boomer v. United States, 755 F.2d 696 (8th Cir.1985) (challenge to frivolous penalty assessment for filing return containing asterisks and blanket constitutional objections); Baskin v. United States, 738 F.2d 975 (8th Cir.1984) (challenge to frivolous penalty assessment for filing return containing asterisks and blanket fifth amendment and other constitutional objections); Parker v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 724 F.2d 469 (5th Cir.1984) (challenge to tax deficiency determination and penalty for filing an inappropriate return containing asterisks and blanket fifth amendment objection).
As best we can surmise, Miller, like the plaintiffs in the foregoing cases, has followed the advice of those associated with the "tax protester movement." The leaders of this movement conduct seminars across the country in which they attempt to convince taxpayers that the sixteenth amendment and assorted enforcement provisions of the tax code are unconstitutional. See, e.g. United States v. Hairston, 819 F.2d 971, 972 (10th Cir.1987). Members are encouraged to defy the income tax filing requirements through returns like those noted above. They are then instructed to obtain a jury trial so that potentially like-minded jurors may be persuaded to acquit in the exercise of their power of jury nullification. See, e.g., United States v. Ogle, 613 F.2d 233, 236-37 (10th Cir.1979). The movement's manifesto, Benson and Beckman's The Law That Never Was, is a collection of documents relating to the ratification of the sixteenth amendment, and is intended to be both a call to arms for the movement and "exhibit A" in the trials of tax protesters who argue that the sixteenth amendment was illegally ratified. Id. at xvii ("The tax protestor will be the great American hero of 1985 just as in 1776. It was tax protestors, not any political party, or judge or prosecutor who gave us our great Constitutional Republican form of government. The tax protest is more American than baseball, hot dogs, apple pie or Chevrolet!!").
In the eyes of the authors, the most damning evidence of the illegality of sixteenth amendment is a 1913 memorandum from the Solicitor of the Department of State to then Secretary of State Knox outlining the minor grammatical discrepancies in the instruments ratified in many of the states. This circuit has squarely addressed the merits of the ratification argument in two recent cases. United States v. Foster, 789 F.2d 457, 462-63 (7th Cir.1986) (73 years of application of the amendment is very persuasive on the question of validity); United States v. Thomas, 788 F.2d 1250, 1253-54 (7th Cir.1986) (amendment treated as properly adopted under the "enrolled bill rule"). In Thomas, we explained that: Benson and Beckman did not discover anything; they rediscovered something that Secretary Knox considered in 1913. Thirty-eight states ratified the sixteenth amendment, and thirty-seven sent formal instruments of the ratification to the Secretary of State.... Only four instruments repeat the language of the sixteenth amendment exactly as Congress approved it. The others contain errors of diction, capitalization, punctuation, and spelling.... [the defendant] insists that because the states did not approve exactly the same text, the amendment did not go into effect. Secretary Knox considered this argument. The Solicitor of the Department of State drew up a list of the errors in the instruments and--taking into account both the triviality of the deviations and the treatment of earlier amendments that had experienced more substantial problems--advised the Secretary that he was authorized to declare the amendment adopted. The Secretary did so.... [his] decision is now beyond review. Id. at 1253 (emphasis in original). See also United States v. Stahl, 792 F.2d 1438, 1439 (9th Cir.1986), cert. denied 479 U.S. 1036, 107 S.Ct. 888, 93 L.Ed.2d 840 (1987) (propriety of the ratification process is a political question).
We find it hard to understand why the long and unbroken line of cases upholding the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment generally, Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company, 240 U.S. 1, 36 S.Ct. 236, 60 L.Ed.2d 493 (1916), and those specifically rejecting the argument advanced in The Law That Never Was, have not persuaded Miller and his compatriots to seek a more effective forum for airing their attack on the federal income tax structure. See Foster, 789 F.2d at 463 n. 6 (the propriety of the ratification of a constitutional amendment may be a non-justiciable political question). Determined and persistent tax protesters like Miller seek to utilize the federal judicial forum without consideration of the significant limitations on the authority of both the district courts and the courts of appeal. One such limitation stems from the bedrock principle of stare decisis: lower courts are bound by the precedential authority of cases rendered by higher courts. U.S. Ex Rel. Shore v. O'Leary, 833 F.2d 663, 667 (7th Cir.1987). This limitation on judicial power is one of the cornerstones of the legal structure in that it serves broader societal interests such as the orderly and predictable application of legal rules. This doctrine prevents us from disregarding the Supreme Court's opinions upholding the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment. The Court's decisions are binding on us and the district court absent strong evidence that the Court will overrule its own cases. Colby v. J.C. Penney Co., 811 F.2d 1119, 1123 (7th Cir.1987). We perceive no signs that the Supreme Court is harboring any such intentions with regard to the validity of the sixteenth amendment. Miller would have us disregard this principle and overturn almost three quarters of a century of settled law and declare the sixteenth amendment unconstitutional. He has asked us and the district court to do that which we have no authority to do. He would have us substitute one brand of lawlessness (from his perspective) with a form of lawlessness of our own. Miller and his fellow protesters would be well advised to take their objections to the federal income tax structure to a more appropriate forum.
This advice has been offered on other occasions. Coleman v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 791 F.2d 69, 72 (7th Cir.1986) (tax protesters "must choose other forums, and there are many available"). In the circumstances, the sanctions imposed by the district court were appropriate. With particular reference to the injunction limiting Miller's access to the federal courts, we note that the district court was struggling with a persistent tax protester who was undaunted by his failure in two previous cases in as many years. A monetary sanction of $500 in the latter of those two cases did not prevent Miller from returning to the federal courthouse for yet a third time with the identical claims. The district court was thus faced with a plaintiff as intransigent as the tax protester we sanctioned in Lysiak v. C.I.R., 816 F.2d 311 (7th Cir.1987), and properly drew upon the injunctive relief we imposed in Lysiak to fashion a remedy to address the parallel strains that Miller's frivolous filings were having on its crowded docket and limited resources. Id. at 313. Miller may exercise his right to access the federal courts upon a simple showing that his claim is colorable. See Coleman, 791 F.2d at 72 (there is no constitutional right to bring a frivolous suit). We therefore reject Miller's claim that the sanctions were excessive and hold that the district court did not abuse its discretion in denying his motion for reconsideration.
This, however, is not the end of the matter. The present appeal is a patently frivolous one that has generated additional costs for the defendants and this court. Five years ago we warned plaintiffs like Miller that while the doors of the courthouse are open to good faith appeals, "we can no longer tolerate abuse of the judicial review process by irresponsible taxpayers who press stale and frivolous arguments ... Inthe future we will deal harshly with frivolous tax appeals and will not hesitate to impose sanctions under appropriate circumstances." Granzow v. C.I.R., 739 F.2d 265, 269-70 (7th Cir.1984). This is such a circumstance. Although Miller is acting pro se, he knew or should have known that his position was groundless. Coleman, 791 F.2d at 71 (a court may and should impose sanctions if a person knows his position is groundless). Each of the three district judges before whom Miller has appeared have taken pains to explain the meritlessness of his position. Scott v. Younger, 739 F.2d 1464, 1467 (9th Cir.1984) (reassertion of issues disposed of in prior proceedings is sanctionable). In conformity with our policy for such tax protester cases, Coleman, 791 F.2d at 73, we hereby sanction Miller $1500 in lieu of attorneys' fees under Rule 38 of the Federal Rule of App. Procedure.
The judgment of district court is affirmed, with double costs and $1500 in damages imposed against the plaintiff-appellant. Miller is ordered to make payment to the Clerk of this court within thirty (30) days by a check made payable to the U.S. Treasury.
So ordered.

Tn...Andy
12-07-2006, 07:14 PM
Big long article that basically says the Feds say that arguing the 16th was not properly ratified is "frivolous"......and they can determine that quite easily without looking at the first piece of evidence.

"It must be without merit because we say it is. "

Makes you wonder why we even have courts, doesn't it ?

demosfen
12-07-2006, 07:21 PM
16th Amendment is minor, it doesn't give the government much power that it already didn't have

Tn...Andy
12-07-2006, 07:29 PM
The Constitution says Congress can only levy direct or apportioned taxes.....which one does the income tax fall under ?

demosfen
12-07-2006, 08:15 PM
The Constitution says Congress can only levy direct or apportioned taxes.....which one does the income tax fall under ?

It appears to be indirect tax that federal employees have to pay for a privilege of working a government job. Similarly, you are only liable for gasoline tax if you buy gasoline. It is being misapplied to people working in private sector. People are usually able to avoid income tax and even get a refund on past years' taxes using this argument

Anty Ep
12-08-2006, 12:59 PM
It appears to be indirect tax that federal employees have to pay for a privilege of working a government job. Similarly, you are only liable for gasoline tax if you buy gasoline. It is being misapplied to people working in private sector. People are usually able to avoid income tax and even get a refund on past years' taxes using this argument

wrong, I'll go pull a case shooting that one down too. give me ten minutes.

....ooops, sorry I mean five.

Hylton v. United States, 3 U.S. 171 (1796), and continuing with Springer v. United States, 102 U.S. 586 (1880), Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co., 158 U.S. 601 (1895), and Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916 ie "fugheddaboudit"

GoldWampum
12-08-2006, 01:07 PM
I will certainly give you that you work hard at deluding the public toward the status quo, Ep.

Anty Ep
12-08-2006, 01:12 PM
I will certainly give you that you work hard at deluding the public toward the status quo, Ep.

Hey, shove it man. I am not "deluding" anybody-- that's you guys, busily deluding yourselves, who think the government will be deterred by all this baloney. I can show the federal cases that show I am right. Tax protesters can't. I can prove tax protesters go to jail when they fail. Ergo, I am "right" that the government does not accept any of these arguments. I don't like the government or the IRS, but I am capable of seeing a spade and calling it one.

If you want to change the law, first you need to know what it is. You guys miss that point-- you just dont want to admit what it really is. It's easier to lie to yourself, partly it relieves the psychological pressure of admitting how oppressive the government really is, and how impotent you and really WE are to cause the federal government to reverse any of the major bad things it has unconstitionally been doing since the 30s or 60s or so via the political process or the courts.

So you have no possibility of actually changing the law because you are chasing your tails.

You should thank me. I don't like disagreeing with people especially when I'm not being paid to do so. This is out of the goodness of my heart I am wasting my time and emotional energy telling you guys to WAKE UP.

Let's face the music. Our people got screwed, and the people that run the government now are not about to hand over control via their courts. Do you got that? You are in occupied territory. The enemy will not "quit." Nor will it be tricked into depriving itself of the power and authority to collect the income tax. But that is just one of my bad things the government has foisted on us. Why it occupies so much of YOU GUYS attention, I dont know. Easier to talk about money, and all this hocus pocus, than stating the simple truth I guess.

I think I'll piss off now, for the weekend, and you guys can weave these fictions into an elaborate of a tapestry as you like without me poking holes in it. Until monday. Maybe you can get me banned by then eh?

GoldWampum
12-08-2006, 01:28 PM
Hey, shove it man. I am not "deluding" anybody-- that's you guys who think the government will be deterred by all this baloney.

You should thank me. I don't like disagreeing with people especially when I'm not being paid to do so. This is out of the goodness of my heart I am wasting my time and emotional energy telling you guys to WAKE UP.

Shove it? Very eloquent.

The law does not need changed, only observed.

Oh and thank you, benevolent one. Now, pleeze stop trying to convince me that your lie is true. It's pretty clear that the only thing keeping the income tax system afloat is ignorance, coersion, prodedural issues, jury instructed prejudice and deception.

Supreme court decisions have varied over the years and so have tax court decisions.

I'm sure your voluntary efforts are appreciated by your employers.

One question: In your business, do you make money off of income taxes or government service in anyway?

Again I will acknowledge that you do work hard at it.

Goldhedge
12-08-2006, 02:37 PM
from the article:

He has asked us and the district court to do that which we have no authority to do. He would have us substitute one brand of lawlessness (from his perspective) with a form of lawlessness of our own. Miller and his fellow protesters would be well advised to take their objections to the federal income tax structure to a more appropriate forum.

Sounds like Miller was barking up the wrong tree?

Of course, this does not answer the question as to where the Federal Government got the authority to pass a law they Constitutionally have no authority to pass.

GOLD DUCK
12-08-2006, 02:48 PM
QWAK,Perhaps I was just exceptionaly insightfull as a kid but I remember back in grade school coming to the conclusion that since the GOVERNMENT makes the ruels and can change the rules when ever it sutes them than there are NO RULES with any dependable signifigence for the indivigual.

IF indiviguals as part of the general public and population start to WIN too often it is about the same as too many GAMBLERS in a CASENO wining so they just change the rules to make shure the HOUSE,CASENO,GOVERNMENT will always be the WINER. They need/must allow a fiew to win or no one will believe it is posable to WIN and play their games BUT in the BIG PICTURE view it is sort of THE ONLY GAME in TOWN and if you live IN TOWN you GOT to PLAY and are virtualy FORCED to play!

They always present it in terms of it being "For the BETTER GOOD of ALL" and that in NOT going along with IT you are BAD,WRONG or NOT a TEAM PLATER thus ignoring or glossing over the greater REALITY that it just IS NOT FAIR and that it is also an OBVIOUS SCAM!

I have always found it curious that even as small children we are programed to accept that there are ruels and you must obey and play by them, but if the rules are constently changing and the RUEL MAKERS always make rules that keep THEM WINING it seems ABSURD that as players in mass people don't just STOP PLAYING their GAMES!

I have ONE general rule in my life and that is "ALL is ONE" it took a long time and a lot of living to refine it down to just three words but IF I expand on it basicly it is the old GOLDEN RUEL just expressed in the simpilist terms I could concieve of.
"I will DO to otheres only what would be fair and right if done to my self."

As long as I play by MY RULE:proud: esencialy I don't need GOVERNING because I am SELF GOVERNING!:proud:

I accept that because of my ruel I will never be RICH or WELTHY but I will also NEVER be MASTER or SLAVE either, I will be a SOVERN self governing entity responcable for my own thoughts and actions.

This does NOT put me above or out side their laws and I try very hard to never cross the line and break any laws and generly submit to almost all of the laws even when it is some what unfair to my self, because I can not FIGHT every WRONG and know it would be foolish to even try to fight every wrong.

Mostly MY one LAW/RULE allows me to percieve the world around me from a diferent perspective rather than being cought up in the wirl wind (picture) and confused with no ankerage so no way to make any compitent evaluation and choice or judgment. (sort of like a currency with out GOLD BACKING?):albertein :hahaha:

WHO we are is more than just a body, it is our MINDS realy that define WHO we are, SOooooooo the ONLY real and true FREEDOM is there in our MINDS and it is that ability to THINK and make choices that makes EACH an indivigual and the CREATOR of the life they are living. We do it both INDIVIGUALY and COLECTIVELY usualy UNAWAIR of what we are doing ,much like not being awair we are breathing except when we can't breath. :eek:

Bottom line seems to me is,We are all in a RIGED GAME and the only way to win in a riged game is NOT play the game. That not being posable or praticle one should avoid playing riged games as much as posable.

The CORRUPT system is CRASHING/IMPLODING and has been for a long long time, way befor I or any one living today was even born,fast or slow is a matter of how each percieves it, but it just seems to ME that "Getting OUT of DOGE" is a good idea, just like NOT playing on the RR tracks even if you don't see or hear a train coming, is a good idea!:proud:

When TSHTF it will hit every one NO way around that fact BUT minimising how much S**T a person gets hit with or has to deal with IS a posability. For me that adds up to geting out of DEBT,being as INDEPENDENT as I posably can be,and some SAVINGS in REAL MONEY physicle GOLD and SILVER too!

rhe DUCK

Anty Ep
12-08-2006, 03:59 PM
I just thought I would come back on here because ole Wesley Snipes turned himself in.

Shove it? Very eloquent.

You say I am deluding people. I say, again, shove it.


[QUOTE] Oh and thank you, benevolent one.

You're welcome. If Wesley Snipes had an advisor like me, he would not be turning himself in today.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_en_mo/people_wesley_snipes_indicted

Now, pleeze stop trying to convince me that your lie is true. It's pretty clear that the only thing keeping the income tax system afloat is ignorance, coersion, prodedural issues, jury instructed prejudice and deception.

It's not a lie that that the income tax arguments which we have been talking about are not the law. They are legal arguments, which have been rejected by courts again and again and again. They dont work. The lie is told by those who know this, and fool suckers like you and Wesley Snipes into thinking otherwise.

I'm sure your voluntary efforts are appreciated by your employers. One question: In your business, do you make money off of income taxes or government service in anyway?

I am not a CPA. What my profession is, you may infer, as it should be fairly obvious, but I will not confirm or deny. This is anonymous forum so it would be unfair of me to refer to undisclosed credentials or hold myself out as an authority. I only seek to prove my point by reason and reference competent case law handed down by federal courts, who are definitely authorities.

If you are asking me if I am a fed, or I work for the government, the answer is no. 100% of my income comes from private sources. Some of my professional work relates to taxation, this law and others. More than that I won't say, for the reason I previously mentioned. I don't hold myself out as authority, but at the same time neither should you suggest that I am somehow not trustworthy because I have evident knowledge of the subject material.

And yes, I do pay income tax in complete compliance with applicable laws.

azxcvbnm321
12-09-2006, 06:54 AM
In Thomas, we explained that: Benson and Beckman did not discover anything; they rediscovered something that Secretary Knox considered in 1913. Thirty-eight states ratified the sixteenth amendment, and thirty-seven sent formal instruments of the ratification to the Secretary of State.... Only four instruments repeat the language of the sixteenth amendment exactly as Congress approved it. The others contain errors of diction, capitalization, punctuation, and spelling.... [the defendant] insists that because the states did not approve exactly the same text, the amendment did not go into effect. Secretary Knox considered this argument. The Solicitor of the Department of State drew up a list of the errors in the instruments and--taking into account both the triviality of the deviations and the treatment of earlier amendments that had experienced more substantial problems--advised the Secretary that he was authorized to declare the amendment adopted. The Secretary did so.... [his] decision is now beyond review. Id. at 1253 (emphasis in original). See also United States v. Stahl, 792 F.2d 1438, 1439 (9th Cir.1986), cert. denied 479 U.S. 1036, 107 S.Ct. 888, 93 L.Ed.2d 840 (1987) (propriety of the ratification process is a political question).
We find it hard to understand why the long and unbroken line of cases upholding the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment generally, Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company, 240 U.S. 1, 36 S.Ct. 236, 60 L.Ed.2d 493 (1916), and those specifically rejecting the argument advanced in The Law That Never Was, have not persuaded Miller and his compatriots to seek a more effective forum for airing their attack on the federal income tax structure. See Foster, 789 F.2d at 463 n. 6 (the propriety of the ratification of a constitutional amendment may be a non-justiciable political question). Determined and persistent tax protesters like Miller seek to utilize the federal judicial forum without consideration of the significant limitations on the authority of both the district courts and the courts of appeal. One such limitation stems from the bedrock principle of stare decisis: lower courts are bound by the precedential authority of cases rendered by higher courts. U.S. Ex Rel. Shore v. O'Leary, 833 F.2d 663, 667 (7th Cir.1987). This limitation on judicial power is one of the cornerstones of the legal structure in that it serves broader societal interests such as the orderly and predictable application of legal rules. This doctrine prevents us from disregarding the Supreme Court's opinions upholding the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment. The Court's decisions are binding on us and the district court absent strong evidence that the Court will overrule its own cases. Colby v. J.C. Penney Co., 811 F.2d 1119, 1123 (7th Cir.1987). We perceive no signs that the Supreme Court is harboring any such intentions with regard to the validity of the sixteenth amendment. Miller would have us disregard this principle and overturn almost three quarters of a century of settled law and declare the sixteenth amendment unconstitutional. He has asked us and the district court to do that which we have no authority to do. He would have us substitute one brand of lawlessness (from his perspective) with a form of lawlessness of our own. Miller and his fellow protesters would be well advised to take their objections to the federal income tax structure to a more appropriate forum.


I think it is pretty clear there is no basis for the claim that the 16th Amendment was never passed. The amendment was passed Constitutionally as required except with a few minor spelling errors and so such. At no point was the meaning of the amendment changed by these errors and the Secretary of State agreed. When this was challenged in the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court upheld the Secretary of State's view, thus ending all argument.

Those who wish to use the courts and claim that their views are lawful, can't skirt the law just because they don't agree with it. The Constitution can be amended and was. The Supreme Court said the amendment is valid. Now you want a lower court to what? Say that it was invalid after all? It's like Scott Peterson or Charles Manson trying to walk out of jail by saying that they aren't guilty even though they were found guilty by a jury of their peers. Huh? How are you going to challenge the law when you don't accept the law in the first place?

The more evidence that is presented, the more I am convinced this "tax protesting" is a complete and absolute fraud that does nothing but trick decent people into breaking the law and getting into trouble. You might not like income taxes, I sure don't, but it was passed by 2/3rds of Congress, ratified by 3/4ths of the States, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. With this much consensus, what basis do you have to avoid paying taxes?

Fine then, by the same argument as the tax protestors, I claim the entire Constitution null and invalid and declare myself God of the United States and Lord to those who reside in MY realm. Furthermore, I claim possession of this forum and state that anyone who wishes to post here from now on must first pray to me and say, "You are God Ol' wise and powerful azxcvbnm321". Those who do not obviously don't understand the law!

Lackluster
12-09-2006, 08:12 AM
Oh brother.

Halophyte
12-09-2006, 10:44 AM
For the Empire, whatever lie supports it, for the Empire !

GOLD DUCK
12-09-2006, 11:13 PM
Seems to me we're at a point where the Gooberment can do whatever they want. We are all fooling ourselves if we think the beast can be tamed. This is all headed to a really bad place. The problem is there's really no where to get away from it.

QWAK,skytrooper,No way around it,over it or under IT, just THREW IT, knowing that YOU are way ahead of the game because YOU know IT is coming and 99.99% of the people out there DON'T know and don't care and WON'T believe even if/when you tell them IT is coming!

FORTUNE favors the ones who are PREPARED SOooooooooooooo get prepared the best you can! The TRAIN is coming ,GET OFF the TRACKS! Pay off your DEBTS. Find a SAFER place to be,and start colecting the things that will help you SURVIVE!

Don't FREEK out,don't let your self feel OVERWELMED. Wile it WILL be a time of great change and for most conciderable pain and suffering it does not nessaraly mean every one will lose every thing. It is also a time of GREAT OPERTUNITY as things change and shift around.

In the words of Bob Dylan "The first ones now will LATER be LAST",use your MIND to take advantage of the transiion,don't get HIT by the WAVE ---- RIDE the wave, like a SURFER! It is going to be a WILD RIDE --- LIFE is an ADVENTURE, injoy the ADVENTURE ---- it's gona happen any way so injoy the ride!

the DUCK

The WB
12-10-2006, 12:49 PM
You have a wacked group of taxpayers making a goofy argument to invalidate the 16th Amendment? The taxpayers and attorney who brought the action got what they deserved!

Horn
12-10-2006, 01:16 PM
Definitions of amend on the Web:

make amendments to; "amend the document"
better: to make better; "The editor improved the manuscript with his changes"
rectify: set straight or right; "remedy these deficiencies"; "rectify the inequities in salaries"; "repair an oversight"

As far as I can tell, it failed to do any of these.