Ron Paul is running for president!!!!!!!

[gunner]

Forcing the MSM to cover his campaign and what he stands for is good enough. The amount of sheeple that will wake up will be far greater than the number we have today.

Even if he loses, he makes a difference - I'm all for it and would offer my support.

[Libertarian_Guard]

We face tough odds, but to avoid battle or believe there is a place to escape to someplace else in the world would concede victory to those who endorse authoritarian government.

The grand experiment in human liberty must not be abandoned. A renewed hope and understanding of liberty is what we need as we move into the 21st Century.

A perfectly free society we know cannot be achieved, and the idea of perfect socialism is an oxymoron. Pursuing that goal throughout the 20th Century has already caused untold human suffering. The clear goal of a free society must be understood and sought or the vision of the authoritarians will face little resistance and will easily fill the void.

There are precise goals Congress should work for, even under today's difficult circumstances. It must preserve, in the best manner possible, voluntary options to failed government programs. We must legalize freedom to the maximum extent possible.

Complete police protection is impossible; therefore we must preserve the right to own weapons in self-defense.

In order to maintain economic protection against government debasement of the currency, gold ownership must be preserved-something taken away from the American people during the Depression.


Adequate retirement protection by the government is limited, if not ultimately impossible. We must allow every citizen the opportunity to control all his or her retirement funds.

Government education has clearly failed. We must guarantee the right of families to home school or send their kids to private schools and help them with tax credits.

Government snooping must be stopped. We must work to protect all our privacy, especially on the Internet, prevent the National ID Card, and to stop the development of all government data banks.

Federal police functions are unconstitutional and increasingly abusive. We should disarm all federal bureaucrats and return the police function to local authorities.

The army was never meant to be used in local policing activities. We must firmly prohibit our presidents from using the military in local law enforcement operations which is now being planned for under the guise of fighting terrorism.

Foreign military intervention by our presidents in recent years, to police the American Empire, is a costly failure. Foreign military intervention should not be permitted without explicit congressional approval.

Competitions in all elections should be guaranteed, and the monopoly powers gained by the two major parties through unfair signature requirements, high fees, and campaign donation controls should be removed. Competitive parties should be allowed in all government sponsored debates.

We must do whatever is possible to help instill a spiritual love for freedom and recognize that our liberties depend on responsible individuals, not the group or the collective or society as a whole. The individual is the building block of a free and prosperous social order.


The Founders knew full well that the concept of liberty was fragile and could easily be undermined. They worried about the dangers that lay ahead. As we move into the new century, it is an appropriate time to rethink the principles upon which a free society rests.

Jefferson, concerned about the future, wrote: "Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic. But will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the path of destruction." "They" that he refers to are " we." And the future is now. Freedom, Jefferson knew, would produce "plenty," and with "material abundance" it's easy to forget the responsibility the citizens of a free society must assume if freedom and prosperity are to continue. The key element for the Republic's survival for Jefferson was the "character" of the people, something no set of laws can instill. The question today is not that of abundance, but of character, respect for others, their liberty and their property. It is the character of the people that determines the proper role for government in a free society.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2000/cr020200.htm

[<SLV>]

Maybe Ron Paul only has a one in a million chance. Maybe no chance at all but does anyone have a better idea or a better candidate?

Even if they run over him like roadkill on the interstate he is worth supporting so that more sheeple can be informed and enlightened. Everyone wants to bitch about the way things are but VERY few people will do anything at all. Pat Buchanan had the largest mailing list and the largest number of active supporters but he could not compete financially with the standard party candidates. Because as in all endeavors people will not contribute $$. I researched political contributions given from the county I live in. It had been 5 years since anyone had contributed $200 to a candidate. Presidential candidates cannot succeed on $20 contributions. If this is important to you, contribute like you mean it!!!

Individual contributions are nothing compared to corporate/union contributions.

[Hi Ho]

Individual contributions are nothing compared to corporate/union contributions.

Corporations are nothing compared to our numbers.

TPTB have a deathly fear of voters learning of their two party bought and paid for scam. They have an even greater fear of the 60% of Americans that have given up on the system rallying around a candidate with integrity. Paul better have good protection around him.

(NWO has been hacks like George Shultz have guys with machine guns around them 24/7 even today when playing golf.)

[<SLV>]

Just saw on the Denver news that Tom Tancredo is going to Iowa to feel out his chances for a presidential bid.

I really hope he and Ron Paul put together a ticket for the Republicans.

[momopanda]

Agreed Hiho.
Look ,let the jaded and the pessimistic and the lazy and shadenfreuders bicker about it.
Proactive. Constuctive. It's my nature.
I ain't dead and ain't rolling over. Once you stop trying to fix it , you've admitted defeat. Not ready for that yet.

Much as I am disappointed that Paul is going to run Republican- he has NO shot at the nomination- I hope that the plan is to attract attention and build the base for a run either I or L.
If you think the system is beyond it , fine, then keep building your bunkers or harrassing your local alderman if you think that's the better answer. Certainly it's the easier one imo.

[Hi Ho]

Agreed Hiho.
Look ,let the jaded and the pessimistic and the lazy and shadenfreuders bicker about it.
Proactive. Constuctive. It's my nature.
I ain't dead and ain't rolling over. Once you stop trying to fix it , you've admitted defeat. Not ready for that yet.

Much as I am disappointed that Paul is going to run Republican- he has NO shot at the nomination- I hope that the plan is to attract attention and build the base for a run either I or L.
If you think the system is beyond it , fine, then keep building your bunkers or harrassing your local alderman if you think that's the better answer. Certainly it's the easier one imo.

Sure I know the system is FUBAR. It could blow tomorrow or next week or in 2012. I'm not going to stop living or stop trying to change it. We are at a unique juncture. Majorities in each party are becoming disillusioned with their leadership and in the direction that the country is heading.
He is 72 and has lead a great life. If he is willing to risk it all for us then we must help the cause in whatever way we can. May God bless Ron Paul.

[reformed wastrel]

Agreed Hiho.
Much as I am disappointed that Paul is going to run Republican- he has NO shot at the nomination- I hope that the plan is to attract attention and build the base for a run either I or L.

Perhaps we could help him in attracting attention. Instead of donating FRNs to his campaign, we could send him real money instead: an SAE or two. Perhaps the oddity (to "normal" folks) of donating coins could help him get a few more stories regarding his campaign in the media?

(Although I realize the idea of giving away any PM might be considered rank heresy 'round these parts! :wink: )

[melbo]

Don't know if this has been posted...

I challenge everyone to pass this link around. It has a Paul Speech/rant that EVERYONE can find an "Oh Yeah!" moment in.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html

God Bless him. I hope he doesn't get himself V. Fostered

[KingTheoden]

So what's his stance on dismantling the Federal Reserve?

Ron Paul is against illegal immigration, voted against the Iraq War resolution, gave a speech in Congress called 'Neo-conned,' and has made frequent reference to the increased militarism of the New World Order. He has my vote, for whatever it is worth.

[melbo]

So what's his stance on dismantling the Federal Reserve?

Here's 4 of his stances. The guy is for real and IMHO our only hope to stop this mess. Read more about Paul here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html

Ron Paul vs. Ben Bernanke (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul340.html)

The Yoke of the Fed (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul334.html)

Your Enemy, the Fed (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul333.html)

Questioning Greenspan (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul253.html)
Ron Paul vs. the Counterfeiter-in-Chief, 1997-2005.

[Hi Ho]

I Got this email last night. Lets rise up to the challenge people!
As many of you know Aaron is fighting for his life against cancer. I'm sure there are many things he could be doing to enjoy what might be his last months and years here on earth. He chooses to fight for the American people.



Dear AFTF Lovers of Liberty and Patriots,

Good news travels fast!

You may have heard that the Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is exploring running for the Republican nomination in 2008.

Congressman Paul will be the only uncompromising defender of the Constitution in the race.

I can't tell you how grateful I felt, how full of heartfelt joy, and how much enthusiasm I felt when I heard the news of his Candidacy. I am 1000% behind him!

Ron Paul has stepped up to the plate because he knows what we all know: the noose is tightening, and there isn't much time if we hope to restore to Constitutional Government.

I called Ron yesterday to tell him I am on board to do ANYTHING it takes to support his campaign.

NOW is the time for the ENTIRE Freedom Movement, all Third Parties, ALL GOOD AMERICANS EVERYWHERE, from all political stripes and persuasions, to unite to overtake the weakened Republican Party. Stand firmly behind Ron Paul, and work to restore our Constitutional Republic.

Do not let partisan politics get in the way. No matter what your Party affiliation, we must support Ron Paul as the Candidate.

Everything in the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism IS Ron Paul.

In my conversation with Congressman Paul, I told him I'll make copies of America: Freedom to Fascism available for his campaign. We will spread them far and wide.

What better way to introduce him to the public than for him to talk to them in their own living rooms?! What better way to help awaken them to governmental intrusions into their private lives than to see it in their own homes?

Congressman Ron Paul is the man with the strength to stay the course until Enemies, Foreign and Domestic, are put in their rightful place!

There isn't a better man for the job. He has an impeccable voting record. He is "right on," on Freedom and Sovereignty issues.

In a time of universal deceit, Congressman Paul dares to commit the revolutionary act of telling the truth. How refreshing!

But now the work begins.

Ron Paul needs not just our "affirmative nod," he needs our time, energy, financial contributions, and willingness to see him win. He needs us to use our precious accrued "vacation time" to go to New Hampshire to knock on doors, pass out AFTF DVDs, to be as dedicated to helping him win as he is to running the Race. His campaign must be organized District by District.

The entire AFTF Network must focus on helping Ron Paul. You have already awakened a lot of Americans to the dangers we face.

NOW, help me, won't you, as I do everything within my means to promote the only HONEST, Constitutional American in the 2008 Presidential race.

With the right Candidate and a passionate grassroots effort, it is possible to take over a weakened Republican Party. I've told you many times of how we overtook the Republican Party in my Gubernatorial race in Nevada. I KNOW it can be done!

Well, HERE is that Candidate!

NOW IS THE TIME to join with me and support Ron Paul.

I've seen you at work. You can do this. WE can do this!

I Am Most Sincerely Yours in Freedom,


Aaron Russo


PS. Please be sure visit http://www.freedomtofascism.com (http://www.freedomtofascism.com/) and sign up as a volunteer to support this effort. Also, please share this video link concerning my comments about the 9/11 fraud - ie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okLrWV6ObwI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okLrWV6ObwI)

PPS. In the past 2 1/2 months we have had over 1 million views of American: Freedom To Fascism on Google Video. The movie has received the highest possible rating of 5 Stars from the viewing audience. This is an incredible testement to the American public's appetite to learn about freedom. Please keep spreading the word of freedom by sending this email around the world. Here's the link to the movie on Google Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198)

[hoarder]

False patriot Jew Aaron Russo endorses Ron Paul. That doesn't look good for the candidate.

[JCarvingblock]

False patriot Jew Aaron Russo endorses Ron Paul. That doesn't look good for the candidate.

The warning below from Lee Brobst should be read carefully and given full consideration.

In my opinion, if any single commodity should be used as backing for a currency, that commodity is silver - not gold.

The national debt was falsely contracted under a fraudulent monetary system and a conversion to a gold currency will most likely become a foreclosure action where the owners of the gold become owners of the industrial and natural resource base of the nation.

QUOTE FROM LEE BROBST

The following is presented "as is", just as it was first published in 1983 in a book titled "The Tontine Government." This transmission is not offered for general consumption, as only a very small percentage of you will understand or appreciate its contents, and it is for that very small percentage that it is primarily being offered.

THE EXON [The Exempt Elect]

[EXON: "(In Britain) one of four yeomen of the guard who act as commanding officers in the absence of higher authority. Also called EXEMPT."]

The Federal Reserve Act transferred the money-making powers of the United States to a private group of bankers who then set up the fractional reserve system of banking. Under the charter granted to this private corporation, there was a stipulation that if the American people did not agree with its operation, the people had 20 years to oust the corporate charter. They could (or were entitled to do this) by the use of an ancient Common Law Writ called a Quo Warranto ["quo warranto" means "by what right?"] After 20 years it becomes a matter of Public Policy; Public Policy being a part of the Law of Nations under the Law Merchant. Twenty years puts us to the year 1933, which is the infamous year the Congress suspended our Public National Money System (Gold Standard, House Joint Resolution 192, June 5, 1933) and put an end to the American people being able to "pay" their debts "at law." Upon reading the debates of the 73rd Congress in 1933 on the subject of the gold standard, one learns that on June 5, 1933 America became bankrupt; being unable to tender in "payment" of debts.

But that is only part of the story. What you probably also missed was the part where America was re-insured by a credit policy and this was done under the Statute of 19 George II c. 37. At the stroke of the pen, American lost its Constitutional government in "payment" of debts and its 18-delegated powers, along with its allodial land titles and all the "law" that went with it. Instead of "paying" taxes to support a democratic-republican form of government, where the people are sovereign, we now have a parliamentary-republic in which the Congress is the sovereign. But more importantly, all we can do is a compelled performance in "discharge" (NOT PAYMENT) of debts. These "discharges" are nothing more than insurance premiums to the Federal Reserve, which is a Tontine policy, which is re-insured by a credit policy.

The idea of a Tontine scheme is nothing new, but has existed in one form or another since the Roman Empire. As time went on, it became more sophisticated up to the point where it is today. The first Tontine started in America in 1791. By the year 1880, Tontines were very numerous and were quite corrupt. There was practically no end to their power due to the immense amounts of money involved. As a result of this money power, the Tontine insurance companies were buying up businesses and controlling the government. As a result, the Tontines became so corrupt and gross that they threatened the American family and the very basis of the United States of America. This corruption spurned the Armstrong Committee in the year 1905 to investigate the Tontine insurance companies. After a long investigation, the committee recommended that the state legislatures pass legislation banning Tontine schemes. This was done under the non-forfeiture statues. The owners of these Tontine schemes saw that their whole world was about to collapse because of the pending legislation regarding their schemes. They immediately went to work to establish a federal system to both broaden the scope of their operation and avoid the problems of operating in individual states. This was the start of the Federal Reserve System in 1913. The Tontine policy is a gambling policy, or what is called in the law, a wagering policy. The cunning plot to reinstitute the Tontine scheme at the Federal level in the name of the Federal Reserve is by all means cunning and despicable. This is the basic groundwork used to enslave the American people.

Their next move was the suspension of the Public National Money System (HJR 192) in "payment" of debts, and then 5 years later, the Erie Railroad v. Tomkins 304 U.S. 64 case, which opened the floodgates to flood the country with insurance script, debt and credit in "discharge" of debts.

The plot to enslave the people thickens even more because until the advent of (HJR 192) and the Erie Railroad decision, the Maritime or Admiralty Law now prevails over the entire country through re-insurance of a credit policy mentioned earlier. The second a person touches the credit system of the Public National Credit (Federal Reserve) they have involved themselves in a Joint Maritime venture for profit in a Tontine policy of limited liability for the payment of debt. The joint venture being the use of the communal credit, Maritime Law is a credit system, and finally, you have created an insurable interest because you used the credit system of the commune. The insurable interest is what the federal income tax, right to work taxes, property taxes, and all the other obscenities that you can think of are about. These are not taxes, but insurance premiums on the use of the credit for profit.

In the case of De Livio v. Boit, 2 Galliston, Mass., Federal Case No. 3776 (1812), it was held that insurance is a maritime contract, therefore, of Admiralty Jurisdiction. A person's involvement in Maritime Law (communal credit of the Tontine, HJR 192) means you are on a voyage and hopefully it will be successful (gambling) and you will make a profit. Under limited liability for the payment of debt, the limited liability is provided by the insurance premiums you tender (your taxes).

Common Law insurance is for the security of the family unit and not for profit. This means that you want to place yourself under the Common Law rather than the Maritime Law, unless you are greedy, corrupt and in control of the system! The principles of Maritime Law is not family, but rather for profit, and under Maritime Law you can be (and are) compelled to carry insurance (pay taxes -- a form of protection money) and you are now beginning to see the mess this country is in and how we got here.

The gold bill being promoted by Rep. Ron Paul from Texas is another hoax by the enemy in order to destroy the Federal Reserve, thereby allowing the Class "A" stockholders of the Tontine to foreclose on the United States Treasury, whereby all the land titles will be totally locked up along with the highway system that has the U.S. in front of the route number, the Library of Congress will be confiscated and all the truths about the corrupt Tontine will disappear forever. These are only a few of the foreclosures to come. Rep. Ron Paul's gold bill is a private gold system owned by the owners of the Tontine swindle. This gold bill will not repeal HJR 192, nor will it be a Public National Gold Standard owned by "We the People" in "payment" of debt.
The Formula of the Federal Reserve is as follows:
Fractional Reserve Banking is a Tontine policy, re-insured by a credit policy in the form of ex-chequer annuitie bills generating an over insurance, which is split with the Class "A" stockholders of the Federal Reserve and the United States Treasury. This split started in 1946 to fund their socialistic programs whose effect catalyzed small investment and over-consumption, postulating traded discounted script, compounding on Tontine principles, whose price premium is being confiscated through insurable interest at positive premium, positive premium, reflecting inflation.

As one can see, the freedom movement has been taking an historical approach to the problem and this has been in error because nowhere in the history of the world today have we dealt with the issues that we are confronted with today.

An interesting fact, as a result of the Tontine (Federal Reserve), HJR 192 and the Erie Railroad decision is this: there is no longer an immovable law (Common Law) of the world to guide commerce. Everything is in collision through a Tontine (gambling policy) for profit (greed) under limited liability for the payment of debt, ala John Calvin and the Teutonic Order. For more information on the Teutonic Order, see the "Black Book of the Admiralty" 4 volumes, the authority on Admiralty Law. The above Tontine, HJR 192 and the Erie Railroad decision, 304 U.S. 64, has now turned private enterprise, not free enterprise, into public law under the International Law of Marine Insurance under the guise of National Government. This law of insurance (limited liability for the payment of debt) has superseded the Common Law and equity. All the Law and equity has been dismantled and replaced by a wagering policy of insurance under Admiralty Law.

Since HJR 192 and the Erie Railroad decision replaced the immovable law (Common Law) with the movable law (law of marine insurance), then it follows that there are in reality, no Common Law juries today. Today's juries decide no issues of Law. Today's judges, state and federal, are now more properly Vice Admiralty Chancellors ruling in marine insurance and the juries merely advisory councils which serve as the conscience of the Vice Admiral (after being instructed by him). The legislature (sovereign) has already ruled by passing the statute initially. One has to remember that we as a people and a nation are bankrupt and insolvent, being unable to determine our own destiny because we cannot truly "pay" our debts. You are not responsible today for what you do, Common Law however is full responsibility for your actions.

Organized religions of today teach the Tontine principles of the Teutonic Order. Proof of this is that the church will not marry you unless you get permission from the State. The license, incidentally, is purchased with Tontine insurance script. This license requirement is a direct result of the church having its franchise to operate from the State under limited liability for the payment of debt (forgive our debts as we forgive our debtors). For more on John Calvin, read Thomas Jefferson's letter to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June 26, 1822. For profit, because the church is tied into the Tontine credit system and is gambling to make a profit. Ultimately, what this all means is the One World Corporate Church (EXON) operates for profit while its debts are passed onto the reprobate or non-elect slaves on Space Ship Earth. This "good ship Earth" concept is important because it allows the law of maritime insurance and not the Common Law to operate and our freedoms are based on the Common Law as prescribed by our Founding Fathers.

The law of maritime insurance (Tontine) imposition is destroying families by turning them into warring cannibals. The order of the day will soon be murder, rape, robbery, distrust and lack of respect for your fellow man, along with unidentifiable fatherhood to be a corporate cog in their machine to worship their coal-tar god of EXON. This will all work for the benefit of the people of EXON (the elect) who will be exempt from all liabilities. These EXON are the last survivors of the Tontine swindle, such as George Rapp and his Harmony Society that became the first Tontine court case in America. In this case, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court upheld the people's right to enter into a commune and each surrender his property into one common stock for the mutual benefit of all. Schriber v. Rapp, 5 Watts 23 (1836). It is this very case that opened the door for the destruction of America and its precious document called the "Constitution of the United States." The Class "A" stockholders of the Tontine Life Insurance Corporation of limited liability for the payment of debt called the Federal Reserve. They will own everything on the face of the Earth and the non-elect reprobates will be locked into performing as slaves. The non-elect will be forced to use all the EXON's phony products so the EXON can show a profit. Thomas Jefferson said it will take mankind at least 2,000 years to overthrow this slavery should we become totally locked into it.

This may sound like an insane story, but it is true, nevertheless.

Lee Brobst - Lecturer


Also, consider the 1899 Walbert book: "The Coming Battle" that makes the case that silver is a better backing for a money system than gold.
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/walbert/walbert_index.html


Carver

[Large Sarge]

False patriot Jew Aaron Russo endorses Ron Paul. That doesn't look good for the candidate.

maybe he has sold out "the master race"


of course he is useful in deflecting all the attention towards the rockefellers, and away from the rothschilds, warburgs, schiffs, etc

[Hi Ho]

The warning below from Lee Brobst should be read carefully and given full consideration.

In my opinion, if any single commodity should be used as backing for a currency, that commodity is silver - not gold.

The national debt was falsely contracted under a fraudulent monetary system and a conversion to a gold currency will most likely become a foreclosure action where the owners of the gold become owners of the industrial and natural resource base of the nation.

QUOTE FROM LEE BROBST



Also, consider the 1899 Walbert book: "The Coming Battle" that makes the case that silver is a better backing for a money system than gold.
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/walbert/walbert_index.html


Carver

Currency can be backed by many things but it's not likely to be silver in the future. There is simply not enough of it available and what little there is needed by industry.

[hoarder]

maybe he has sold out "the master race"


of course he is useful in deflecting all the attention towards the rockefellers, and away from the rothschilds, warburgs, schiffs, etcHe doesn't speak their name so he hasn't sold them out. Just another Khazar trying to influence us. His shiny lure doesn't shine for me.

[Hi Ho]

False patriot Jew Aaron Russo endorses Ron Paul. That doesn't look good for the candidate.

You people are unbelievable

[hoarder]

You people are unbelievablePerhaps you believe what's convenient. What I say isn't.

[Large Sarge]

I think Ron Paul would do a lot of good.

I would feel a lot better about Russo if he was aware of the rothschilds and how they are the "top"

he always points to the rockefellers.

The rockefellers were made by the rothschilds

[Hi Ho]

I think Ron Paul would do a lot of good.

I would feel a lot better about Russo if he was aware of the rothschilds and how they are the "top"

he always points to the rockefellers.

The rockefellers were made by the rothschilds

The Rockefellers are the American Dons of the world syndicate. Maybe he never met the old world chieftains. Maybe he doesn't want to cloud the fight with goals we cant reach from here. Our arms are to short to box with the Rothschilds. Lets get America back first.
I really don't care if he calls a Jew a Jew as long as he fights the evil ones with us.

[Large Sarge]

The Rockefellers are the American Dons of the world syndicate. Maybe he never met the old world chieftains. Maybe he doesn't want to cloud the fight with goals we cant reach from here. Our arms are to short to box with the Rothschilds. Lets get America back first.
I really don't care if he calls a Jew a Jew as long as he fights the evil ones with us.

I agree

I think someone should tell Hon. Ron Paul that JFK had started issuing Govt silver certificates instead of FRN's just prior to his death.

then I think we need to "reorganize" the secret service, so if elected Ron Paul does not become another casualty of the war on FIAT

btw,
I certainly hope Mr. Russo is sincere, his film does a good job and he did it throw it out for free on Google.

Education is the only peaceful solution

[Lackluster]

"Perhaps you believe what's convenient. What I say isn't."

Should that be the new standard of believibility? Inconvenience?

[lhslancers]

From Gold Eagle. Sorry if this has already been posted.


http://www.gold-eagle.com/cgi-bin/gn/get/forum.html

[Large Sarge]

I'm very interested in hearing any bona fide, *for real* plan to restore the republic and put an end to this 'Federal corporation' nonsense along with the 'war powers' (in effect since at least April 24, 1863).

Specifics, please. No dreamin' stuff, no smoke n' mirrors - FOR REAL.

I have thought on this,

Eliminating the Federal Reserve & returning to sound money will eliminate 90% of ALL the problems

no other single thing can do that, all the legal issues will collapse under a hard currency, because there will be no way to finance it and support it all the scams & loopholes, and other legal mumbo-jumbo.

[Large Sarge]

While that would definitely be a step in the right direction, the primary problem is the lack of lawful government (there is NO duly and lawfully constutited government, only the *appearance* [perception] there is), i.e. except for what the banksters have put into place for themselves, it is lawful to them.

Sure, there needs to be lawful money in order to have lawful government, with the priority being lawful government. By eliminating the Fed without restoring lawful government would more or less trading the devil you know for the devil you don't know - the money powers would still have total control of *their* corporate government.

I disagree,

they could not raise taxes high enough to support the existing behemoth we call the federal govt

the names, titles, and whatever else you choose to call it, or whatever jurisdiction it might fall under would be Irrelevant, because it would collapse

consitutional money leads to constitutional Govt

[Large Sarge]

I'm tellin' ya, you have it bassackwards.

The corporate government proceeded the unlawful money scheme by some six or seven decades, therefore lawful government MUST preceed lawful money.


My point is rather simple, if it still was corporate Govt, but it was bound to such a small size by constitutional coin, would it really matter that much?

the smallest Govt possible

and beyond that, we need something to sell to Joe Six Pack, he can understand Gold/Silver more than the legal issues IMO

if govt is so small, weak, and ineffectual, does it matter so much its legal status?

[hoarder]

99% of our problems stem from having an alien force in control of most sources of information. There is no Constitutional solution to this problem. If it were not the Federal Reserve, it would be another tool "they" would find to use against us. No nation can control it's destiny as long as an alien force has 98% of the masses intoxicated with deception, flopping around like fish on the beach.

Without the information control, there would be no Federal Reserve. All our problems begin and end with the control of information. There is no real solution until we address this problem once and for all.

Mass media is a weapon much more powerful than the nuclear bomb. It's powerful because it can't be seen and controls/destroys the mind.

[momopanda]

Ron Paul's latest email newsletter:

Escalation in the Middle East

January 15, 2007
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While the president’s announcement that an additional 20,000 troops would be sent to Iraq dominated the headlines last week, the real story was the president’s sharp rhetoric towards Iran and Syria. And recent moves by the administration only serve to confirm the likelihood of a wider conflict in the Middle East.<O:P> </O:P>
The president stated last week that, “Succeeding in Iraq also requires defending its territorial integrity- and stabilizing the region in the face of the extremist challenge. This begins with addressing Iran and Syria.” He also announced the deployment of an additional aircraft carrier battle group to the Persian Gulf, and the deployment of Patriot air missile defense systems to countries in the Middle East. Meanwhile, US troops stormed the Iranian consulate in Iraq and detained several Iranian diplomats. Taken together, the message was clear: the administration intends to move the US closer to a dangerous and ill-advised conflict with Iran.<O:P> </O:P>
As I said last week on the House floor, speculation in Washington focuses on when, not if, either Israel or the U.S. will bomb Iran-- possibly with nuclear weapons. The accusation sounds very familiar: namely, that Iran possesses weapons of mass destruction. Iran has never been found in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and our own Central Intelligence Agency says Iran is more than ten years away from producing any kind of nuclear weapon. Yet we are told we must act immediately while we still can! <O:P></O:P>
This all sounds very familiar, but many of my colleagues don’t seem to have learned much from the invasion of Iraq. House Democrats strongly criticized the Iraq troop surge after the president’s announcement, but then praised the president’s confrontational words condemning Iran. Many of those opposing a troop surge are not calling for a withdrawal of our troops from the Middle East, but rather for “redeployment.” Redeployment to where? Iran?<O:P> </O:P>
We need to return to reality when it comes to our Middle East policy. We need to reject the increasingly shrill rhetoric coming from the same voices who urged the president to invade Iraq.<O:P> </O:P>
The truth is that Iran, like Iraq, is a third-world nation without a significant military. Nothing in history hints that she is likely to invade a neighboring country, let alone America or Israel. I am concerned, however, that a contrived Gulf of Tonkin- type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran. <O:P></O:P>
The best approach to Iran, and Syria for that matter, is to heed the advice of the Iraq Study Group Report, which states:

"… the United States should engage directly with Iran and Syria in order to try to obtain their commitment to constructive policies toward Iraq and other regional issues. In engaging with Syria and Iran, the United States should consider incentives, as well as disincentives, in seeking constructive results."<O:P> </O:P>
In coming weeks I plan to introduce legislation that urges the administration to heed the advice of the Iraq Study Group. Dialogue and discussion should replace inflammatory rhetoric and confrontation in our Middle East policy, if we truly seek to defeat violent extremism and terrorism.

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"… the United States should engage directly with Iran and Syria in order to try to obtain their commitment to constructive policies toward Iraq and other regional issues. In engaging with Syria and Iran, the United States should consider incentives, as well as disincentives, in seeking constructive results."Well that could be constued to mean just about anything you want it to mean. "Engaging directly"? Isn't that what they do when someone bends over to pick up a bar of soap?