How soon to the ban?

[MOD1]

Dunno. In many cases of the recent past it took some kind of public tragedy to act as a catalyst for onerous legislation. This time - not so - all bets are off.
Take care,
Mod1

[gangsta99]

I am hoping that Obama and crew do not get around to banning our firearms until after they handout the next round of payoffs, err I mean stimulus checks to the general sheeple. I hope to use mine like I did the last one, towards gun, brass, lead and gold.

[Twisted Avatar]

Originally Posted by gangsta99

I am hoping that Obama and crew do not get around to banning our firearms until after they handout the next round of payoffs, err I mean stimulus checks to the general sheeple. I hope to use mine like I did the last one, towards gun, brass, lead and gold.

From your keyboard .......... to Gods ears.

So it is


T

[platinumdude]

I can't find anything official, but I see this across the internet.

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...-2008-a-5.html

"My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."
—Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007

Edit I found this, not sure if factcheck is to be trusted:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ar_to_ban.html

[latitude22]

My dealer is moving into a shop in 6 months so hopefully he wouldn't lose his FFL. 1 Gun per month, lol if it's a rolling average I'll be ok.

I really don't think obama will do anything, I think he's going to have other things to worry about and the dems don't want another reason added to the long list of viable reasons they should kicked the hell out of the country.

[platinumdude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban

The ten-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994 and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day.



So I guess if the house passes on a new bill, then I just get out there and pay the premium for a FAL, if my local store still has one, otherwise wait and hope for the cheaper online order.

[Twisted Avatar]

Originally Posted by latitude22

My dealer is moving into a shop in 6 months so hopefully he wouldn't lose his FFL. 1 Gun per month, lol if it's a rolling average I'll be ok.

I really don't think obama will do anything, I think he's going to have other things to worry about and the dems don't want another reason added to the long list of viable reasons they should kicked the hell out of the country.

But the saddest part about is...... you REALLY cant be sure. Anything and I do mean ANYTHING can happen.

This just plain sucks the big one.

T

[platinumdude]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257

H.R. 6257:
110th Congress

This is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the House of Representatives ("H.R."). A bill must be passed by both the House and Senate and then be signed by the President before it becomes law.

Bill numbers restart from 1 every two years. Each two-year cycle is called a session of Congress. This bill was created in the 110th Congress, in 2007-2008.

The titles of bills are written by the bill's sponsor and are a part of the legislation itself. GovTrack does not editorialize bill summaries.
2007-2008

Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008

This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Nov 6, 2008]

Last Action:
Jul 28, 2008: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.




Here are the list of the idiots who sponsored this bill (ALL REPUBLICANS)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...0:HR06257:@@@P

Sponsor
Rep Kirk, Mark Steven [IL-10] (re-elected in 08)

Co-Sponsors
Rep Castle, Michael N. [DE] (re-elected in 08)
Rep Ferguson, Mike [NJ-7] (Ferguson announced on November 19, 2007, that he will not run for re-election in 2008, stating that he wants to spend more time with his family) (GOOD RIDDANCE)
Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [FL-18] (re-elected in 2008)
Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4] (Lost in 2008, GOOD RIDDANCE)

[platinumdude]

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

Congress plans for quick start

Saturday, November 22, 2008
AP

WASHINGTON -- Eager for a quick start, Democratic congressional leaders intend to begin work in early January on priority legislation so it can be ready for President-elect Barack Obama's signature shortly after he takes office, according to officials familiar with the plans.

These officials said an economic aid measure, legislation to expand health care for lower-income children and a loosening of Bush administration rules covering federally funded embryonic stem cell research are among the bills at the center of discussions with Obama aides.

All three issues have been the focus of battles between the Democrats in Congress and President George W. Bush, and early enactment of any would underscore the change ushered in by this month's election.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose the plans.
Story continues below
Advertisement

Meanwhile, John Podesta, a leader of Obama's transition team, told senior Democratic aides on Friday the incoming administration is making its Cabinet and sub-Cabinet selections faster than customary and hopes the nominees can be confirmed quickly.

Democrats gained at least 20 House seats and at least seven Senate seats in the November elections, expanded majorities in place when the new Congress is sworn in on Jan 6. Under the Constitution, Obama takes the oath of office as the 44th president on Jan. 20.

Customarily, the preinaugural period is slow in Congress as lawmakers await the swearing-in of a new president. They then spend weeks doing little more than confirming Cabinet secretaries and other officials.

But Democrats now will have control of the White House and Congress for the first time since 1994, and officials in both branches of government are eager to begin work.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a news conference Friday the focus for the first week of Congress "will be to introduce a strong recovery package to create jobs, good paying jobs, in our country and to bring more confidence to the financial crisis - to turn around the financial crisis."

A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined comment on plans for early legislation.

But Obama said in the Democrat radio address Saturday he has asked his economic advisers to develop a plan that will create 2.5 million jobs by 2011 - "a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face that I intend to sign soon after taking office."

To a large degree, Democratic plans to prepare legislation before Obama takes his oath depend on the cooperation of Senate Republicans. While the GOP lost seats, Republicans have enough strength to slow the routine housekeeping matters that must be settled out before committees can begin to work, as well as to impede the progress of legislation.

Obama said he recognized that passing an economic aid plan will not be easy. "I will need and seek support from Republicans and Democrats, and Ill be welcome to ideas and suggestions from both sides of the aisle," he said on the radio. "But what is not negotiable is the need for immediate action."

One stimulus bill was signed into law last winter, but Democratic efforts to pass a second have run into opposition from the Bush administration as well as congressional Republicans, who oppose provisions for federal spending on public works projects and other elements.

The expansion of federally funded health care for lower income children was the subject of a bruising veto battle between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress in 2007.

The president twice vetoed bills on the subject and was upheld each time. The administration said any such measures should put poor children fist, and contended the legislation did not.

The embryonic stem cell issue has been an emotional one since the early days of the Bush administration, when the president established rules saying federal money could be used for research only on pre-existing lines of cells. Congress twice tried to overturn his policy; Bush's vetoes were upheld both times.

Supporters say the legislation would allow federal dollars to be used on research that shows promise in treatment and even cures of numerous diseases.

Critics say the research involves the destruction of human embryos, and oppose it on those grounds. They also say alternative forms of stem cell research show promise. "Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical," Bush said as he vetoed the second measure.

Not all conservatives, or even all abortion opponents, agree with his position.

As president, Obama could use his own authority to overturn Bush's executive order limiting the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Enactment of legislation would be a stronger step, because no future president could undo it without a subsequent act of Congress.



I hope one of their fast passes is not an AWB. if it's not then they will then spends weeks confirming the cabinet positions and so forth. Hopefully it slows them down enough for my order to get shipped out.

[Twisted Avatar]

Originally Posted by platinumdude

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

Congress plans for quick start

Saturday, November 22, 2008
AP

WASHINGTON -- Eager for a quick start, Democratic congressional leaders intend to begin work in early January on priority legislation so it can be ready for President-elect Barack Obama's signature shortly after he takes office, according to officials familiar with the plans.

These officials said an economic aid measure, legislation to expand health care for lower-income children and a loosening of Bush administration rules covering federally funded embryonic stem cell research are among the bills at the center of discussions with Obama aides.

All three issues have been the focus of battles between the Democrats in Congress and President George W. Bush, and early enactment of any would underscore the change ushered in by this month's election.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose the plans.
Story continues below
Advertisement

Meanwhile, John Podesta, a leader of Obama's transition team, told senior Democratic aides on Friday the incoming administration is making its Cabinet and sub-Cabinet selections faster than customary and hopes the nominees can be confirmed quickly.

Democrats gained at least 20 House seats and at least seven Senate seats in the November elections, expanded majorities in place when the new Congress is sworn in on Jan 6. Under the Constitution, Obama takes the oath of office as the 44th president on Jan. 20.

Customarily, the preinaugural period is slow in Congress as lawmakers await the swearing-in of a new president. They then spend weeks doing little more than confirming Cabinet secretaries and other officials.

But Democrats now will have control of the White House and Congress for the first time since 1994, and officials in both branches of government are eager to begin work.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a news conference Friday the focus for the first week of Congress "will be to introduce a strong recovery package to create jobs, good paying jobs, in our country and to bring more confidence to the financial crisis - to turn around the financial crisis."

A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined comment on plans for early legislation.

But Obama said in the Democrat radio address Saturday he has asked his economic advisers to develop a plan that will create 2.5 million jobs by 2011 - "a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face that I intend to sign soon after taking office."

To a large degree, Democratic plans to prepare legislation before Obama takes his oath depend on the cooperation of Senate Republicans. While the GOP lost seats, Republicans have enough strength to slow the routine housekeeping matters that must be settled out before committees can begin to work, as well as to impede the progress of legislation.

Obama said he recognized that passing an economic aid plan will not be easy. "I will need and seek support from Republicans and Democrats, and Ill be welcome to ideas and suggestions from both sides of the aisle," he said on the radio. "But what is not negotiable is the need for immediate action."

One stimulus bill was signed into law last winter, but Democratic efforts to pass a second have run into opposition from the Bush administration as well as congressional Republicans, who oppose provisions for federal spending on public works projects and other elements.

The expansion of federally funded health care for lower income children was the subject of a bruising veto battle between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress in 2007.

The president twice vetoed bills on the subject and was upheld each time. The administration said any such measures should put poor children fist, and contended the legislation did not.

The embryonic stem cell issue has been an emotional one since the early days of the Bush administration, when the president established rules saying federal money could be used for research only on pre-existing lines of cells. Congress twice tried to overturn his policy; Bush's vetoes were upheld both times.

Supporters say the legislation would allow federal dollars to be used on research that shows promise in treatment and even cures of numerous diseases.

Critics say the research involves the destruction of human embryos, and oppose it on those grounds. They also say alternative forms of stem cell research show promise. "Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical," Bush said as he vetoed the second measure.

Not all conservatives, or even all abortion opponents, agree with his position.

As president, Obama could use his own authority to overturn Bush's executive order limiting the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Enactment of legislation would be a stronger step, because no future president could undo it without a subsequent act of Congress.



I hope one of their fast passes is not an AWB. if it's not then they will then spends weeks confirming the cabinet positions and so forth. Hopefully it slows them down enough for my order to get shipped out.

The first 100 days will be a "love affair" and if he is smart he will ram through some of the MOST CONTROVERSIONAL LEGISLATION FIRST .

I know I would.


T

[FireMattMillen]

Originally Posted by platinumdude

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

Congress plans for quick start

Saturday, November 22, 2008
AP

WASHINGTON -- Eager for a quick start, Democratic congressional leaders intend to begin work in early January on priority legislation so it can be ready for President-elect Barack Obama's signature shortly after he takes office, according to officials familiar with the plans.

These officials said an economic aid measure, legislation to expand health care for lower-income children and a loosening of Bush administration rules covering federally funded embryonic stem cell research are among the bills at the center of discussions with Obama aides.

All three issues have been the focus of battles between the Democrats in Congress and President George W. Bush, and early enactment of any would underscore the change ushered in by this month's election.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose the plans.
Story continues below
Advertisement

Meanwhile, John Podesta, a leader of Obama's transition team, told senior Democratic aides on Friday the incoming administration is making its Cabinet and sub-Cabinet selections faster than customary and hopes the nominees can be confirmed quickly.

Democrats gained at least 20 House seats and at least seven Senate seats in the November elections, expanded majorities in place when the new Congress is sworn in on Jan 6. Under the Constitution, Obama takes the oath of office as the 44th president on Jan. 20.

Customarily, the preinaugural period is slow in Congress as lawmakers await the swearing-in of a new president. They then spend weeks doing little more than confirming Cabinet secretaries and other officials.

But Democrats now will have control of the White House and Congress for the first time since 1994, and officials in both branches of government are eager to begin work.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a news conference Friday the focus for the first week of Congress "will be to introduce a strong recovery package to create jobs, good paying jobs, in our country and to bring more confidence to the financial crisis - to turn around the financial crisis."

A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined comment on plans for early legislation.

But Obama said in the Democrat radio address Saturday he has asked his economic advisers to develop a plan that will create 2.5 million jobs by 2011 - "a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face that I intend to sign soon after taking office."

To a large degree, Democratic plans to prepare legislation before Obama takes his oath depend on the cooperation of Senate Republicans. While the GOP lost seats, Republicans have enough strength to slow the routine housekeeping matters that must be settled out before committees can begin to work, as well as to impede the progress of legislation.

Obama said he recognized that passing an economic aid plan will not be easy. "I will need and seek support from Republicans and Democrats, and Ill be welcome to ideas and suggestions from both sides of the aisle," he said on the radio. "But what is not negotiable is the need for immediate action."

One stimulus bill was signed into law last winter, but Democratic efforts to pass a second have run into opposition from the Bush administration as well as congressional Republicans, who oppose provisions for federal spending on public works projects and other elements.

The expansion of federally funded health care for lower income children was the subject of a bruising veto battle between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress in 2007.

The president twice vetoed bills on the subject and was upheld each time. The administration said any such measures should put poor children fist, and contended the legislation did not.

The embryonic stem cell issue has been an emotional one since the early days of the Bush administration, when the president established rules saying federal money could be used for research only on pre-existing lines of cells. Congress twice tried to overturn his policy; Bush's vetoes were upheld both times.

Supporters say the legislation would allow federal dollars to be used on research that shows promise in treatment and even cures of numerous diseases.

Critics say the research involves the destruction of human embryos, and oppose it on those grounds. They also say alternative forms of stem cell research show promise. "Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical," Bush said as he vetoed the second measure.

Not all conservatives, or even all abortion opponents, agree with his position.

As president, Obama could use his own authority to overturn Bush's executive order limiting the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Enactment of legislation would be a stronger step, because no future president could undo it without a subsequent act of Congress.



I hope one of their fast passes is not an AWB. if it's not then they will then spends weeks confirming the cabinet positions and so forth. Hopefully it slows them down enough for my order to get shipped out.

The first action won't be an AWB. It will be spending your tax dollars on abortions and embryonic stem cell research.

The AWB comes after economic collapse or terrorist attack.

[platinumdude]

Well, I couldn't stand it. I found the same gun in stock at a higher price, but at least I will have it before any swearing in. Also I won't have to fret about it for 6 months or less.

[Squirrel Bait]

Originally Posted by FireMattMillen

The AWB comes after economic collapse or terrorist attack.

I could see an AWB after an economic collapse but I don't think you will after a terrorist attack. I think there will be more of a call for people to be able to protect themselves should that happen.

s

[platinumdude]

GUNS Rights Watch
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/DGR0309.html

[silverbullet]

Buddy of mine got a gift certificate for a local gun shop for Christmas. He's always wanted an AK, and figured he'd better get one now, and not risk waiting.

Seems like he already waited too long...at least at that shop. They always have hundreds of guns, just about anything you could want. Owner says no AK's, no AR's, no SKS's...nothing "fun". And he doesn't expect to be able to get any in the forseeable future. He's been wiped out in the last month or so. Still has racks full of pumps and bolt actions, all kinds of hunting stuff. Not a semi to be found.

He used the gift certificate to fill some voids in his ammo shelf...

[Twisted Avatar]

Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait

I could see an AWB after an economic collapse but I don't think you will after a terrorist attack. I think there will be more of a call for people to be able to protect themselves should that happen.

s

That is a EXCELLENT distiction you made and I must fully concur.

If there is a economic collapse the sheep will be still be simple minded enough to follow orders given like that. They will still believe the illusion Gubbermint is gonna make it all better.

But If there is another 9/11 or something bigger......... they wont be a fool in all the land to give up so much as a dam plastic butter knife.


T

[gypsybiker45]

Originally Posted by FireMattMillen

The first action won't be an AWB. It will be spending your tax dollars on abortions and embryonic stem cell research.

The AWB comes after economic collapse or terrorist attack.

I agree 100%, the last ban produced a large Militia movement, a FF attack(read Mexican immigrant revolt) or economic collapse they will have no resistance getting it through along with expanded police/military powers in the same bill.The FF event will not be bombings or crashing planes,more like riots or outright revolts.

[Maddie]

I think he's going to move against firearms and ammo pretty quickly. It probably won't be the first thing he does, but I'll bet he acts on it within the first three or four months of office. He knows it's not going to be a popular move, and he knows we know it's coming. Why give us time to make a lot of noise about it? Why wait until he's been in office long enough that the honeymoon is over and people start questioning what he says or does?

[markt]

Obama's cabinet picks have surprised many people. His picks are not all left-wing liberals. This shows that there is a practical side to the man. Spending all of his political capital on an attempted gun/ammo ban would not be practical. With the economy falling apart at the beginning of his term, he has bigger fish to fry. And since the democrats don't have a filbuster-proof majority, any bill to do so is unlikely to ever advance to his desk to sign. The worst to happen MAY be a significant tightening of the rules concerning ammo purchases. Such as banning the importation of ammo. Like as in 7.62x39. He could sell that by promoting American-made ammo in the name of safety.

[platinumdude]

Originally Posted by markt

Obama's cabinet picks have surprised many people. His picks are not all left-wing liberals. This shows that there is a practical side to the man. Spending all of his political capital on an attempted gun/ammo ban would not be practical. With the economy falling apart at the beginning of his term, he has bigger fish to fry. And since the democrats don't have a filbuster-proof majority, any bill to do so is unlikely to ever advance to his desk to sign. The worst to happen MAY be a significant tightening of the rules concerning ammo purchases. Such as banning the importation of ammo. Like as in 7.62x39. He could sell that by promoting American-made ammo in the name of safety.

Unfortunately the latest AWB bill they are working on is sponsored by 4 republicans.

[platinumdude]

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Illinois governor's pick for Senate carries no-nonsense reputation

Burris also made headlines in 1994 when it was revealed that while he advocated gun control and promoted a gun turn-in program, he was keeping a gun in his home.

"It's a little, small thing," he said of the gun. "I just have it there for safety. If I ban them, I'm going to be the first one to burn mine."

He later gave up the weapon.



What another idiot we have in the senate.

[Walter Mitty]

I could be wrong but I think the last thing Obama is going to want to do is get in a big "fight" with the electorate right away. Look at all the problems He is facing.
1.2 million jobs lost in Nov-Dec.
The economy going from a recession to a depression. GE, GM, Ford ,Chrysler all on the brink.
JP Morgan and their derivative exposure.
4-5 States in financial trouble. Now add on to all that the fire storm that will be ignited if they try to push a New Gun Ban through. It took Clinton 2 years and the recession Clinton faced when He took office was a walk in the park compared to what is going on now.
Just my .02.

[platinumdude]

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/7585

[The Argent Dragon]

Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562

Ha ha....nope, not without a fight or a lie. In fact the ammo I bought a half hour ago fell out of my truck on the way home.

Wow.......a similar thing happened to me - I was fishing and forgot my ammo was in my coat and -SPLASH-

........down to the bottom of the lake.

[StrawMan=Corporation]

So your not using the federally mandated ammo Life Preservers ?

Save the precious ammo.

Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon

Wow.......a similar thing happened to me - I was fishing and forgot my ammo was in my coat and -SPLASH-

........down to the bottom of the lake.

[The Argent Dragon]

Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation

So your not using the federally mandated ammo Life Preservers ?

OMG ~ does this mean I'll get a call from the EPA ?

.......and you'd think I'd learn after my boating accident last month and loosing my firearms with my sinking boat as a result.

[StrawMan=Corporation]

Well there is the saying ya cant teach a old dog new tricks.

Whoda thunk...

On another topic but still firearm related I need to get a handgun that will knock a 500 Lb black bear off its feet.

Its 2 Am this morning and the dog is going nuts, Wife looks out and sees a bear near a area we call the goat / cow pen.

She wakes me up and I go into tactical mode, Pulling my 45 auto Para Ordnance from its hidey hole.

I flash out the door and progress to empty the magazine into the bear.

That sucker had a motor on him he must have been up to 30 mph in 3 seconds.

I looked around for him but no sign of him.

Maybe I missed...

Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon

OMG ~ does this mean I'll get a call from the EPA ?

.......and you'd think I'd learn after my boating accident last month and loosing my firearms with my sinking boat as a result.

[The Argent Dragon]

Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation

On another topic but still firearm related I need to get a handgun that will knock a 500 Lb black bear off its feet.

Smith & Wesson 460XVR Revolver .460 SW Magnum Hailed as the industry's fastest shooting pistol, the Smith & Wesson .460 Magnum includes an 8.4-inch barrel with interchangeable compensators for superior performance. The extra-large frame and Hi-VIZ® green-dot front sight ensure accuracy while delivering over 2,300 feet per second muzzle velocity. The custom designed embellishment by Baron's depicts an eagle and American flag and is located on the side of the stainless frame. Each revolver is stamped with sequential numbering.

[StrawMan=Corporation]

How much ?

How hard is ammo to find ?

This will make me reload I have a feeling.

I saw a .500 1911 that was in the area of 3000.00

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml



Yikes spendy lil sob.

Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon;151271

1

Smith & Wesson 460XVR Revolver .460 SW Magnum Hailed as the industry's fastest shooting pistol, the Smith & Wesson .460 Magnum includes an 8.4-inch barrel with interchangeable compensators for superior performance. The extra-large frame and Hi-VIZ® green-dot front sight ensure accuracy while delivering over 2,300 feet per second muzzle velocity. The custom designed embellishment by Baron's depicts an eagle and American flag and is located on the side of the stainless frame. Each revolver is stamped with sequential numbering.

[The Argent Dragon]

Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation

How much ?

How hard is ammo to find ?

Revolver runs around $1000..........here's a place for $979.00
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...reviews_id/461

I shot a Magnum Research 460 BFR and BOY does that thing KICK !!!
There's was no compensator on the M.R. revolver.

Oh and it's about $1.25 per round for Hornady.
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...ol-ammo-460-sw

But you're tryin' to stop a BEAR, right ?!?