PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail

[cigarlover]

I do believe its time to organize and head to DC. This time we dont go unarmed and we dont leave till we have our country back.

[Brio]

Here's the chart (page 4)
http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc1069...sRangelLtr.pdf

[gypsybiker45]

Originally Posted by cigarlover

I do believe its time to organize and head to DC. This time we dont go unarmed and we dont leave till we have our country back.

WRONG! while i do agree 100% with your basic idea, hunkering down in our AOs, and like one poster said "drop out of the Matrix" is a far more superior idea, starve the beast, cut off ties,DO NOT REPORT ANY INCOME,the day when 50k armed protesters (probably our best men at that)show up at DC is the day when Uncle Sugar's Army of the Potomac 2.0 crushes them in about 17 minutes.(Remember,Posse Comitatus doesnt apply in DC)refuse to pay, let them come to you in much smaller groups. The Country as a whole is lost, preserve what we can. dont waste good men on armed protests.

[gunDriller]

she can suck my DC bilge pump.

[ruprick]

Originally Posted by Brio

Here's the chart (page 4)
http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc1069...sRangelLtr.pdf

So, a family of 4 making 4X the Federal Poverty Limit (90k+)....not that much for one good job or 2 OK jobs added together.....can expect to pay about a 20% tax for just health care.....that will be about like going to the vetrinanian office....

That sounds about right.....because those of us that work - we must pay for ourselves/family....and the lazy welfare breeding turds that are knocking out useless eaters like a horny barn cat....

I'm done - time to drop out of the matrix and work for cash and barter.

[Brio]

Right Ruprick. And no opting out either.

[KingTheoden]

And this is why the insurance companies aren't so opposed to the 'reform.' This is their version of the 2008 and 2009 bailouts for select banks and automakers, as Brio points out.

[Ag Age]

What a load of BS.
I am no fan of Republicans but I sure hope they can defeat this POS health care bill.

[7th trump]

Originally Posted by KingTheoden

And this is why the insurance companies aren't so opposed to the 'reform.' This is their version of the 2008 and 2009 bailouts for select banks and automakers, as Brio points out.

My wife works at an insurance firm. They package insurance policy's and sell them to individual company's.
They are watching this like a hawk because if this passes their going to drop 40% 60% of business within 6 to 12 months and trickle down from there to about 20% from where they are at currently.
They dropped enough business due to unemployment and company closings already.
I dont think this will turn out to be a rich against the poor. Its going to be the productive individual against the unproductive lazy pants hanging down give me something for nothing individual.
Majority of white working man against welfare party all night sleep all day black and mexican. I'm not racist. I just call it like I see it. At least in this part of the country.

[KingTheoden]

Originally Posted by 7th trump

My wife works at an insurance firm. They package insurance policy's and sell them to individual company's.
They are watching this like a hawk because if this passes their going to drop 40% 60% of business within 6 to 12 months and trickle down from there to about 20% from where they are at currently.
They dropped enough business due to unemployment and company closings already.
I dont think this will turn out to be a rich against the poor. Its going to be the productive individual against the unproductive lazy pants hanging down give me something for nothing individual.
Majority of white working man against welfare party all night sleep all day black and mexican. I'm not racist. I just call it like I see it. At least in this part of the country.

BlueCross BlueShield, Aetna, and the other big player will see their executives taken care of.

Banks laid off many workers, but the bailouts were intended for only a select class at the top and that is the same in this case.

[nutstoobig]

Originally Posted by 7th trump

Majority of white working man against welfare party all night sleep all day black and mexican. I'm not racist. I just call it like I see it. At least in this part of the country.

You're kidding, right? the people who use welfare are pretty much equal between blacks and whites. the overwhelming users of welfare are children. You're so ignorant it's pathetic. no wonder you armchair survivalists are going to get crushed at the slightest sign of rebellion.

[cigarlover]

Its going to be the productive individual against the unproductive lazy pants hanging down give me something for nothing individual.
Majority of white working man against welfare party all night sleep all day black and mexican.

Do you blame em? Why should they work? Everything is paid for already so what do they do? They dont pay into the system, take whatever they can and are actually doing their part to starve the beast. In the meantime they are pushing the drugs and hoes and making a killing.

WRONG! while i do agree 100% with your basic idea, hunkering down in our AOs, and like one poster said "drop out of the Matrix" is a far more superior idea, starve the beast, cut off ties,DO NOT REPORT ANY INCOME,the day when 50k armed protesters (probably our best men at that)show up at DC is the day when Uncle Sugar's Army of the Potomac 2.0 crushes them in about 17 minutes.(Remember,Posse Comitatus doesnt apply in DC)refuse to pay, let them come to you in much smaller groups. The Country as a whole is lost, preserve what we can. dont waste good men on armed protests.

Ok so maybe DC is the wrong place to go, how about individual states congresscritters headquarters instead?

As for hunkering down. Well, I dont agree with that. It'll take decades to starve the beast. I'd rather take it on head on and kill the forker and get on with life. Hunkering down they just come after you one by one and there's no winning that game.

[cigarlover]

Originally Posted by nutstoobig

You're kidding, right? the people who use welfare are pretty much equal between blacks and whites. the overwhelming users of welfare are children. You're so ignorant it's pathetic. no wonder you armchair survivalists are going to get crushed at the slightest sign of rebellion.

Abd what percentage is Caucasian white and what percentage is hispanic white?

[7th trump]

Originally Posted by nutstoobig

You're kidding, right? the people who use welfare are pretty much equal between blacks and whites. the overwhelming users of welfare are children. You're so ignorant it's pathetic. no wonder you armchair survivalists are going to get crushed at the slightest sign of rebellion.

Hahaha..............you must be of colored skin to make such an idiotic comment.
I'm in the midwest. FARM country! Its always been a white farm/construction hard working class in this east area.
Armchair Survivalist?
HA.............. Did I say farm country?
Ya....sure...ok... armchair survivalist?

And if you had any sense its the attitude of those pant hanging down 16 and above blacks that cause 95% of the fighting in the school system and public against the white.
Mexicans violence is on the rise against the whites first and blacks second. I contribute that because the mexicans know the blacks will fight back.
Eventually the eye's are going to open arond here and see these unproductive trash driving around in escalades and 400's and start asking WHY or HOW can that be when they are being foreclosed on and repoed.
You know the recession if you want to call it that isnt near as bad here in the midwest because there are not as many stupid lazy people.

[specsaregood]

Originally Posted by PkG

Go Directly to Jail
Or Pay $15,000

I never noticed before how much the monopoly characters in your image are similar in style/design to the characters on the old social security informational cards. They could have been drawn by the same person!

[WilliamC]

Originally Posted by silverblood

The pity is that we allow them to rule us in the first place. Of course, they do have a monopoly on the use of force.

Err...no they don't.

They just control the legal use of force.

Plenty of folks illegally use force every day, as we have sadly seen this past week with two new mass murders in the news.

[mtnman]

Originally Posted by I am me, I am free

Feeding the beast. It's either that or use force, and as for using force I keep hearing about some glorious day in the future when disengaging from the beast can be done relatively easily right now and have an immediate effect. And it requires little more than a change in perspective.

I used to think there would be a day when “we the people” would have to use force against the Government. I'm starting to believe that won't be what happens. I believe BHO will use force against the American people. Sorta like Stalin's "Great Terror". Lock and Load it's coming.

[traderken]

[silverblood]

Originally Posted by WilliamC

Err...no they don't.

They just control the legal use of force.

Plenty of folks illegally use force every day, as we have sadly seen this past week with two new mass murders in the news.

Yep. I meant to say, a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.

But that is legitimate only by the State's reckoning, of course. The truth is that any well-organized gang of thugs who reign supreme can call themselves legitimate. Doesn't mean that they are.

[I am me, I am free]

Originally Posted by mtnman

I used to think there would be a day when “we the people” would have to use force against the Government. I'm starting to believe that won't be what happens. I believe BHO will use force against the American people. Sorta like Stalin's "Great Terror". Lock and Load it's coming.

I'm all in favor of everyone being able to defend themselves, and I also think that if one doesn't have a MBR with at least 5k rounds for it then one is being both irresponsible and a slacker.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

How sad it is when the country is so far gone that the general attitude is that it is better to be armed and ready to fight than to peacefully exercise a demand for a redress of grievances?

A: Very sad.

[phideaux]

If you dare to disobey Lord Obama and The Dutchess of Pelosi, here are the details of the penalties.

individuals who fail to follow the rules actually could be penalized both with civil and criminal punishments.
"The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax," Barthold's letter said. "Civil and criminal penalties are applied separately.

"Thus, a taxpayer convicted of a criminal tax offense may be subject to both criminal and civil penalties, and a taxpayer acquitted of a criminal tax offense may nonetheless be subject to civil tax penalties."

He continued, "In cases involving both criminal and civil penalties, the IRS generally does not pursue both simultaneously, but delays pursuit of civil penalties until the criminal proceedings have concluded."

Among the possible penalties available, he said, were:

Under Section 6662(a), 20 percent of an underpayment attributable to health care tax

Section 6663, a fraud penalty of 75 percent of the underpayment

Section 6702, a $5,000 penalty for taking a frivolous position on a tax return

Section 6651, a delinquency penalty of .5 percent under the underpayment, each month

Section 7203, a fine of $25,000 or jail up to one year

Section 7201, a fine of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

According to Camp, the JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain "acceptable health insurance coverage" and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax "are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminals fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years."

He noted the Senate Finance Committee earlier worked on language that would shield Americans from such problems.
"Speaker Pelosi's decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates," Camp said. "Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115277

[mick silver]

Originally Posted by 7th trump

My wife works at an insurance firm. They package insurance policy's and sell them to individual company's.
They are watching this like a hawk because if this passes their going to drop 40% 60% of business within 6 to 12 months and trickle down from there to about 20% from where they are at currently.
They dropped enough business due to unemployment and company closings already.
I dont think this will turn out to be a rich against the poor. Its going to be the productive individual against the unproductive lazy pants hanging down give me something for nothing individual.
Majority of white working man against welfare party all night sleep all day black and mexican. I'm not racist. I just call it like I see it. At least in this part of the country.

a buddy of mine works for a insurance company here and he said half of there work force will be let go if this happens . the company has 15 t people working there now . so 7500 people will lose there jobs .

[reformed wastrel]

Originally Posted by TheNocturnalEgyptian

How sad it is when the country is so far gone that the general attitude is that it is better to be armed and ready to fight than to peacefully exercise a demand for a redress of grievances?

A: Very sad.

It's also sad when the general populace has learned from bitter experience that a demand for redress of grievances will simply be ignored, and is therefore a waste of time.

Originally Posted by cigarlover

I do believe its time to organize and head to DC. This time we dont go unarmed and we dont leave till we have our country back.

Why march on the District of Corruption when there are federal buildings blighting the land all over the country?

[Libertytree]

What's sad is that the gov is threatening us with fines and imprisonment for not complying with an illegal and unconstitutional law, when in fact they are the ones guilty of theft, at the very least.

[phideaux]

Originally Posted by Libertytree

What's sad is that the gov is threatening us with fines and imprisonment for not complying with an illegal and unconstitutional law, when in fact they are the ones guilty of theft, at the very least.

... conspiracy, fraud, treason, inciting a crowd to violence...

[BeeYourself]

This will never pass. If if does, then its high time to stop dealing with them in every way.

[stillprepping]

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

keep in mind what the above is saying. IF you're a TAXPAYER with a TAX LIABILITY .. you're eligible for "penalties".

are you a taxpayer? are you SURE you are??

[stillprepping]

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

keep in mind what the above is saying. IF you're a TAXPAYER with a TAX LIABILITY .. you're eligible for "penalties". are you a taxpayer?

are you SURE you are a taxpayer??

Originally Posted by BeeYourself

This will never pass. If if does, then its high time to stop dealing with them in every way.

they said the same thing about the Patriot Act renewing. and in case you havent noticed (not sure what country you're from) .. the time has long passed since it was "time to stop dealing with them in every way."

[mk3hunter]

you know what she can do to herself.........and every member that votes for this........

gee what happens when govt doesnt listen and keeps taking money and freedom away.......