PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail

[7th trump]

Originally Posted by stillprepping

keep in mind what the above is saying. IF you're a TAXPAYER with a TAX LIABILITY .. you're eligible for "penalties". are you a taxpayer?

are you SURE you are a taxpayer??


they said the same thing about the Patriot Act renewing. and in case you havent noticed (not sure what country you're from) .. the time has long passed since it was "time to stop dealing with them in every way."

Gotta love this!
What makes you think you are not a taxpayer Still?
Because you said so?

Heres the door into taxation that makes you a taxpayer and have income Still.

§ 3101. Rate of tax
(a) Old-age, survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)) received by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121 (b))—

This is how the IRS determines the rate of tax you owe. They use 3121(a) "wages" to base the income tax off of.
Without 3121(a) "wages" to base their assessment the IRS is stopped cold.
The W3 transmittal is what the IRS uses to determine how much income you have.
If you dont make 3121(a) "wages" no W3 transmittal is reported to the SSA for the IRS to compare the W2's to.
Get it?
I doubt it, but thats you anyway.

[MKS]

Some points on Pelosi's health care bill. My apologies if it's already been posted.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055918380.html

By BETSY MCCAUGHEY

The health bill that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing to a vote (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages. Here are some of the details you need to know.

What the government will require you to do:

• Sec. 202 (p. 91-92) of the bill requires you to enroll in a "qualified plan." If you get your insurance at work, your employer will have a "grace period" to switch you to a "qualified plan," meaning a plan designed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If you buy your own insurance, there's no grace period. You'll have to enroll in a qualified plan as soon as any term in your contract changes, such as the co-pay, deductible or benefit.

• Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later.

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On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.

• Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the "qualified plan" is not yet designed, it will be of the "one size fits all" variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same. Only the co-pays and deductibles differ. You will have to enroll in the same plan, whether the government is paying for it or you and your employer are footing the bill.

• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

• Sec. 412 (p. 272) says that employers must provide a "qualified plan" for their employees and pay 72.5% of the cost, and a smaller share of family coverage, or incur an 8% payroll tax. Small businesses, with payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000, are fined less.

Eviscerating Medicare:

In addition to reducing future Medicare funding by an estimated $500 billion, the bill fundamentally changes how Medicare pays doctors and hospitals, permitting the government to dictate treatment decisions.

• Sec. 1302 (pp. 672-692) moves Medicare from a fee-for-service payment system, in which patients choose which doctors to see and doctors are paid for each service they provide, toward what's called a "medical home."

The medical home is this decade's version of HMO-restrictions on care. A primary-care provider manages access to costly specialists and diagnostic tests for a flat monthly fee. The bill specifies that patients may have to settle for a nurse practitioner rather than a physician as the primary-care provider. Medical homes begin with demonstration projects, but the HHS secretary is authorized to "disseminate this approach rapidly on a national basis."

A December 2008 Congressional Budget Office report noted that "medical homes" were likely to resemble the unpopular gatekeepers of 20 years ago if cost control was a priority.

• Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients.

• Secs. 1158-1160 (pp. 499-520) initiates programs to reduce payments for patient care to what it costs in the lowest cost regions of the country. This will reduce payments for care (and by implication the standard of care) for hospital patients in higher cost areas such as New York and Florida.

• Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20% of seniors). Advantage plans have warned this will result in reductions in optional benefits such as vision and dental care.

• Sec. 1402 (p. 756) says that the results of comparative effectiveness research conducted by the government will be delivered to doctors electronically to guide their use of "medical items and services."

Questionable Priorities:

While the bill will slash Medicare funding, it will also direct billions of dollars to numerous inner-city social work and diversity programs with vague standards of accountability.

• Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community "entities" with no required qualifications except having "documented community activity and experience with community healthcare workers" to "educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities" aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity. "Each community health worker program receiving funds under the grant will provide services in the cultural context most appropriate for the individual served by the program."

These programs will "enhance the capacity of individuals to utilize health services and health related social services under Federal, State and local programs by assisting individuals in establishing eligibility . . . and in receiving services and other benefits" including transportation and translation services.

• Sec. 222 (p. 617) provides reimbursement for culturally and linguistically appropriate services. This program will train health-care workers to inform Medicare beneficiaries of their "right" to have an interpreter at all times and with no co-pays for language services.

• Secs. 2521 and 2533 (pp. 1379 and 1437) establishes racial and ethnic preferences in awarding grants for training nurses and creating secondary-school health science programs. For example, grants for nursing schools should "give preference to programs that provide for improving the diversity of new nurse graduates to reflect changes in the demographics of the patient population." And secondary-school grants should go to schools "graduating students from disadvantaged backgrounds including racial and ethnic minorities."

• Sec. 305 (p. 189) Provides for automatic Medicaid enrollment of newborns who do not otherwise have insurance.

For the text of the bill with page numbers, see www.defendyourhealthcare.us.

Ms. McCaughey is chairman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former Lt. Governor of New York state.

[KingTheoden]

Sounds like a wonderland of command control bureaucracy and Happy Meal freebies to appease Obama's base.

Originally Posted by MKS

While the bill will slash Medicare funding, it will also direct billions of dollars to numerous inner-city social work and diversity programs with vague standards of accountability.

• Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community "entities" with no required qualifications except having "documented community activity [?!?]and experience with community healthcare workers" to "educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities" aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity. "Each community health worker program receiving funds under the grant will provide services in the cultural context most appropriate for the individual served by the program."

These programs will "enhance the capacity of individuals to utilize health services and health related social services under Federal, State and local programs by assisting individuals in establishing eligibility . . . and in receiving services and other benefits" including transportation and translation services.
[And just what the heck does that mean? Enhance the capacity to utilize health social services? I go to the doctor if there s a problem, not to work out my frustrations. I guess this is a catch all for psychologists...]

• Sec. 222 (p. 617) provides reimbursement for culturally and linguistically appropriate services. This program will train health-care workers to inform Medicare beneficiaries of their "right" to have an interpreter at all times and with no co-pays for language services. [Actually, as I read this, it sounds far more vague. I mean, it seems like it can include free Def Jam albums if you read it broadly.]

[cigarlover]

• Sec. 305 (p. 189) Provides for automatic Medicaid enrollment of newborns who do not otherwise have insurance.

hmm, who could this be for? Oh yea, the babies born to illegal aliens cause of course its mandatory fo everyone else to have insurance right?

[wrs]

If they think that they can force people to spend this kind of money on health insurance, they are crazy.

I won't be doing it. I will just quit filing a 1040 and let them see what they do when the number of 1040 filings drops like a rock.

These people are out of control.

[cigarlover]

Originally Posted by wrs

If they think that they can force people to spend this kind of money on health insurance, they are crazy.

I won't be doing it. I will just quit filing a 1040 and let them see what they do when the number of 1040 filings drops like a rock.

These people are out of control.

They dont care if you file. They will have all your records unless your going completely off the grid which they are going to make very very difficult. They want bank records tied to this and everything. You will need to work for cash and live on cash and have very little if any assets in your name.

[Tallships]

This just makes China look all the more better for our remaining manufacturers.

[wrs]

They dont care if you file. They will have all your records unless your going completely off the grid which they are going to make very very difficult. They want bank records tied to this and everything. You will need to work for cash and live on cash and have very little if any assets in your name.

I guess you think I am stupid. You may think there is a lot of information out there about you and you would be correct. However, what you are missing is that it isn't connected and it's not triggered nor is it easy to search. There is no single key, the spelling of your name is different in different places and in many cases there is no need to keep records.

Lots of people live without banks and use cash. Plenty of people with bank accounts don't have their money stolen by the IRS. The IRS wants the number of banks to be reduced so it's easier to find your assets but right now, they can't even do a single search to find all your assets.

Corporations hide people, they are easy to start and it's even harder to find them and tax them. There are a myriad of ways to live without filing a 1040 and still use the system.

Just as a point of information, how long do you think it takes for the IRS to figure out you haven't filed a return?

[KingTheoden]

Originally Posted by Tallships

This just makes China look all the more better for our remaining manufacturers.

Don't forget that the "Forbidding and Preventing Manufacturing in America" Carbon bill just cleared the Senate committee tasked with it. House already passed it and I think there are 60 votes for it.

The Senate can pass it as soon as next week.

Either one of these laws is enough to sink the USS America. But both of them? The only logical explanation is that the string pullers know that we have a few years left before a real collapse as it is so they are getting their final machinery in place.

[TheMadHatter]

Originally Posted by Libertytree

I'm with Hatter, jail just ain't gonna work. Other things might happen but surrendering ain't part of the plan.

Please refer to my "How to recognize a fellow GIMer" after the SHTF thread....

This way you don't have to not surrender alone :)

[mrnhtbr2232]

I would imagine Joseph Cao is persona non grata in the Republican Party now and will likely pull a Lieberman and go either Independent or Democrat to salvage his fledgling political career.

On a different note, I never realized Nancy Pelosi's tits were so big until I saw the photo on Drudge - must have told the doctor while he was at it on the face to head south a few acres and puff up the real estate.

[Twisted Avatar]

I AINT PAYING THEM SH!T.

I WILL SPEND 15,000 ON AMMO AND GUNS FIRST.


T

[TheMadHatter]

Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar

I AINT PAYING SH!T.

I WILL SPEND 15,000 ON AMMO AND GUNS FIRST


T

It's not that bad TA - just surrender over 13.5 Gold eagles for the next year!

[Libertytree]

15K will buy a lot of supplies, looks like we'll need'em.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar

I AINT PAYING THEM SH!T.

I WILL SPEND 15,000 ON AMMO AND GUNS FIRST.


T

God that's funny. TA, you really crack me up!