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He doesnt mention the sudden bizarre changes in the prospectus either:
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...nge+prospectus -------------------------------------------------------------------- SATURDAY, JANUARY 20, 2007 THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER JANUARY 2007 (#3) Vol. 11 No. 1-3 There are significant changes on the recent prospectus of the silver ETF, SLV: J. P. Morgan has changed its custodial liability from no greater than $1 billion to 264,550,265 troy ounces. This would bring into question the quality of delivery. All references in the original prospectus to “Silver Bullion has been amended to “Silver.” The original prospectus said, “The Trust is designed to provide a vehicle for investors to own interest in silver bullion.” The newprospectus says, “The Trust is designed to provide a vehicle for investors to own interest in silver. Our take is the Trust is switching from silver bullion to paper silver. Someone with the time and expertise should look into this. It is very serious. We have to get the Trust on record that they will continue to only accept silver bullion.
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Here is the email I sent to John Rubino and his response:
Hi des00s, This just gets more and more interesting. I'll forward your note to James Turk, and one of us will be back with some thoughts. Regards, John ----------------------------------------------------------- John, In your article, "Can we trust the silver ETF" both you and Turk failed to mention the sudden bizarre and discrete change in the prospectus this past January (see below). There is no legitimate conceivable reason to make this change and it exposes the fund as a tool to supress the POS. des00s www.goldismoney.info ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SATURDAY, JANUARY 20, 2007 THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER JANUARY 2007 (#3) Vol. 11 No. 1-3 There are significant changes on the recent prospectus of the silver ETF, SLV: J. P. Morgan has changed its custodial liability from no greater than $1 billion to 264,550,265 troy ounces. This would bring into question the quality of delivery. All references in the original prospectus to âSilver Bullion has been amended to âSilver.âť The original prospectus said, âThe Trust is designed to provide a vehicle for investors to own interest in silver bullion.âť The newprospectus says, âThe Trust is designed to provide a vehicle for investors to own interest in silver. Our take is the Trust is switching from silver bullion to paper silver.Someone with the time and expertise should look into this. It is very serious. We have to get the Trust on record that they will continue to only accept silver bullion.
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Interesting. There was a similar article by Ted Butler a few weeks ago in which he made similar arguments against owning kitco pool account silver & perth certificates.
I actually asked him what he thought about SLV via email, and he said he was a big fan! But I guess goldmoney is the best.. though the fees are a bit high I feel. |
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desOOs good thread, the only thing that people need to look at in this long written newsletter Report, is the allreddy answered Questions by James Turk him self. Can We Trust the Silver ETF? HELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The answer is right here The concentrated shorts in silver have a problem. They are naked short, having commitments to deliver far more silver than they own. But they recognize that if they go into the market to buy the physical silver they need to honor their delivery commitments, the price of silver will soar, given the limited stocks of silver available, causing the naked shorts to incur a huge loss. We have recently seen a day of reckoning in nickel and other base metals – which reportedly also have large naked short positions – as their prices have soared. So to postpone their own day of reckoning, assume in my imaginary scenario that the silver shorts came up with a scheme. It requires the Authorized Participants of SLV to deliver physical silver to the custodian. Once the physical silver is in its control, the custodian substitutes it with “other Bullion” (i.e., silver IOUs in the unallocated account of a company within the custodian’s corporate group) so that SLV’s physical silver can be used to help the shorts manage their overwhelmingly large short position, while at the same time investors in SLV mistakenly believe that this ETF is backed by physical silver. What’s more, the custodian can back-date and reverse their storage record in order to conceal the true status of SLV’s silver. This imaginary scenario is speculation at this point, but I am at a loss to otherwise explain what my analysis of SLV’s disclosure documentation has revealed. None of the above should surprise readers familiar with the work published by the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, which is available for free at: www.gata.org. Though GATA has focused principally on the manipulation of the gold price, it also stands to reason that silver – gold’s first cousin – is also manipulated by the same cabal that has been capping the gold price. After all, when one looks at all the metals, base and precious, it is only gold and silver that are still far from achieving a new record high.
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I agree but I dont think Turk was aware of the change in the prospectus and I am curious to hear his response. I will post it here when I get it.
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You must lett us know about it as soon as you get it, I am as Curious as you are.:cool2:
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Hi des00s
I was aware of those changes in the prospectus. I did not mention them or many other items I had in my notes after reading the disclosure documents for the sake of brevity. I believe that the changes you note have received some good publicity through the Internet. Regards James
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SLV = leveraged.......short term in my book.
PHYSICAL = long term.........you don't hold it - you don't own it. ![]()
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Please read the latest offering by GATA on this subject
"Commodity exchanges can dump gold debts on ETFs" detailing the important investigative work by Adrian Douglas!! It's really beginning to look like the ETFs GLD and SLV are massive JPMorgan scams. Anyone still in them for long-term investment should GET OUT. Last edited by Swissy; 07-12-2009 at 05:40 AM.. |
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I am in the "If you do not hold it, you do not own it" group and I consider paper gold (GLD) and paper silver (SLV) to be bad IMO. If somebody wanted to trade GLD and SLV to try to make a profit, then that is their choice but these two instruments cannot replace buying physical gold and silver.
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There is another significance to this: If GLD owns none of the 1000+ tons of physical gold it professes to own. It means that that 1000+ tons was never purchased and has therefore not had a positive effect by pushing up the price of physical gold.
This basically effects ALL owners and miners of physical gold who must now accept that today's price is significantly lower than it would be if that gold had been purchased. :(( Likewise the SLV! |
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Welcome to one branch of the paper-rules-derivative market.
I pray that all derivatives, will one day manifest their true worth. They will be worth a little more than the paper that they have been written on. Bullion rules IMO. But it is only the future that will tell. SH |
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The metal ETFs have all the makings of a "bubble security" instrument" (like SIVs, CDOs, and CDSs). I wonder if TPTB are planning a future bubble in PMs and have set up these ETFs (and ETCs) to skim the wealth from the little guys.
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