So let's say Ron becomes President...

[eyeofliberty]

Then what?

1) He'll still be dealing with a Democrat controlled (Socialist Party A) House.

2) Get rid of the IRS? Probably not too hard -- the cheers from Americans will be heard around the world.

3) Get rid of the Federal Reserve? Muuuch harder, here. Too many entrenched interests here. The assassins will be stumbling over each other to get to him.

4) Ratchet down the DoD? See #3.

5) Get rid of Dept. of Education? See #1. Teacher's unions will be flipping out!

Just think of all the talk Reagan talked, and how little of that he was actually able to accomplish.

[crud3w4re]

1. He would be veto'ing the House left and right. Ron Paul does not make compromises. A Libertarian as President would be after both Republicans AND Democrats!

2. Yes, the IRS would be nomore.

3. He would quite literally shut down the Federal Reserve, and if they resist, he will simply label it as unConstitutional, which it is. This would hurt the elitists very badly.

4. DoD?

5. He would have the ability to eliminate the Department of Education.

Reagan wasn't a Libertarian.

A President has alot of power, instead of using it for evil, like Bush, he would use his power to do right, for once.

Furthermore, the troops would come home, we would do away with "corporate welfare," may be even the elimination of corporate status, reduction in taxes, elimination of ALOT of government, introduction of "hard currency,"... down the line greatness, Ron Paul would most definately eclipse Reagan in greatness!

[keihatsu]

The President is the Executive branch (law enforcement and execution). New laws from Congress aren't necessary. All he needs to do is enforce the first one: The Constitution!

[eyeofliberty]

Originally Posted by crud3w4re

1. He would be veto'ing the House left and right. Ron Paul does not make compromises. A Libertarian as President would be after both Republicans AND Democrats!

2. Yes, the IRS would be nomore.

3. He would quite literally shut down the Federal Reserve, and if they resist, he will simply label it as unConstitutional, which it is. This would hurt the elitists very badly.

4. DoD?

5. He would have the ability to eliminate the Department of Education.

Reagan wasn't a Libertarian.

A President has alot of power, instead of using it for evil, like Bush, he would use his power to do right, for once.

Furthermore, the troops would come home, we would do away with "corporate welfare," may be even the elimination of corporate status, reduction in taxes, elimination of ALOT of government, introduction of "hard currency,"... down the line greatness, Ron Paul would most definately eclipse Reagan in greatness!

3. Supposedly JFK was trying to shut down the Federal Reserve. Look what happened to him.

4. Dept. of Defense.

Believe me, I'd LOVE to see all this and more happen. I just think TPTB will make it nearly impossible. Dude's gonna be issuing lots of Executive Orders. Anybody here read "Hope" by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith?

[Veritas]

Originally Posted by eyeofliberty

Then what?

1) He'll still be dealing with a Democrat controlled (Socialist Party A) House.

2) Get rid of the IRS? Probably not too hard -- the cheers from Americans will be heard around the world.

3) Get rid of the Federal Reserve? Muuuch harder, here. Too many entrenched interests here. The assassins will be stumbling over each other to get to him.

4) Ratchet down the DoD? See #3.

5) Get rid of Dept. of Education? See #1. Teacher's unions will be flipping out!

Just think of all the talk Reagan talked, and how little of that he was actually able to accomplish.

One step at a time there buddy...

[crud3w4re]

Aint it sad knowing that the one man that would do the best has the least chance of winning? Some of the other candidates *may* have some positions here and there that you may agree weith, but Ron Paul takes the next step, he goes all out on doing the right thing on every issue, this hurts the elites, so they and thw media keep trying to silence this guy. Why is he a "minor candidate"? Barack Obama is a JUNIOR CONGRESSMAN! What makes him more qualified to run the nation than a SENIOR CONGRESSMAN? Wouldn't the man with less experience have the smallest chance of winning? Only reasons why he's alienated is because:

1. Hes' a known Libertarian, people LOVE to attack Libertarians as "pro drugs" or "soft on drugs"

2. He doesn't have any lobby supporters, maybe NRA?

3. He's not a Washington native, he's not an "insider," this means that noone wants to deal with him.

This is truly pathetic. Giuliani may be swell on personal liberties, but look how ignorant he is when it comes to the "war on terror," same ole' Bush rhetoric. He may want to "cut taxes," but look, he will leave the current monetary system running, he will let the Federal Reserve run, he will let the Department of Education run, he won't close anything, just start up more special interest programs that benefit his own lobbyist supporters that are supplying him with money right now.

eyeofliberty,

the way to prevent another JFK situation is by Ron Paul having on board a Libertarian as Vice President!

[mamboni]

Let's get Ron Paul into the oval office first, then worry about the rest.

As for the Fed: 'Executive Order ####### - the United States of America hereby declares null and void the contract between it and the private cartel of multinational banks that own the common stocks known as the Federal Reserve Banking System.'

Just the open public discussion of the true nature of the Fed in full view of the American people will be a revelation; let 'them' challenge the president in the US Supreme Court - the Fed will be toast and they know it. The only way to stop a president who is determined to kill the Fed is by killing the president first.

The veto alone would drastically reduce the ability of the congress to spend money.

[Veritas]

I am "pro-drugs"...what's wrong with that?

[crud3w4re]

Originally Posted by Veritas

I am "pro-drugs"...what's wrong with that?

Nothing. But Libertarians tend to say that they believe that the choice should be with the people, not that they're pro-drugs, their opponents twist their words around to make it seem like there will be drugs everywhere! They use the terror card.

[Kahlil Gibran]

Originally Posted by Veritas

I am "pro-drugs"...what's wrong with that?

[Veritas]

I was waiting for that...knew it wouldn't take you long.

troll

[Veritas]

Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan

Isn't that exactly what Dim Son does now, more or less, i.e. enforce the will of Congress 'his own way'???

I think you have your words mixed up...it's more like he 'forces his will on Congress'.

[Veritas]

Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan

Actually, it's both ways - when Dim Son signs bills he issues 'signing statements' saying how he intends to 'interpret' and enforce the legislation, often 180 degrees from the intent of the legislation.

Oh right, and he derives such power directly from "that God-damn piece of paper"...

It (the Constitution) doesn't say anything about the Judicial Branch having the power to 'interpret' legislation...and even if it did, I'm sure it would be "irrelevant".

<---not Bush. Oh no....he didn't smoke. He snorted.

[buff01]

I would say that in the very least, he could abolish the IRS, veto every damn spending bill and budget that crosses his desk until they're clear of pork, eliminate as many foreign military bases as possible while bringing the troops home, eliminate Executive order provisions, protect the 1st and 2nd amendments, and spread the message of sound money.

Even these items alone would make a world of difference, and all are totally plausible.

[Veritas]

Originally Posted by buff01

I would say that in the very least, he could abolish the IRS, veto every damn spending bill and budget that crosses his desk until they're clear of pork, eliminate as many foreign military bases as possible while bringing the troops home, eliminate Executive order provisions, protect the 1st and 2nd amendments, and spread the message of sound money.

Even these items alone would make a world of difference, and all are totally plausible.

All of which is a pipe dream if we can't get him into the White House.

[buff01]

Originally Posted by Veritas

All of which is a pipe dream if we can't get him into the White House.

Of course. But the original post in the thread asked "If he won, what could he do".

[Tn...Andy]

Originally Posted by eyeofliberty

Just think of all the talk Reagan talked, and how little of that he was actually able to accomplish.

That's because Reagan was an actor playing a role as a politician. Mostly hat, and at the end of the day, no cowboy. He was there to act like a conservative, mouth the words and all, but basically make no changes in business as usual.

I suspect Ron Paul wouldn't be that way at all. I suspect most people don't have a clue as to the sweeping changes he would make......and the people that DO have a clue aren't going to let him get anywhere near the Oval Office.

I hope he makes it, but I stand by my prediction they will shut him down well before the Republican Convention or kill him should it look like he would take the nomination.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Originally Posted by Tn...Andy

That's because Reagan was an actor playing a role as a politician. Mostly hat, and at the end of the day, no cowboy. He was there to act like a conservative, mouth the words and all, but basically make no changes in business as usual.

I suspect Ron Paul wouldn't be that way at all. I suspect most people don't have a clue as to the sweeping changes he would make......and the people that DO have a clue aren't going to let him get anywhere near the Oval Office.

I hope he makes it, but I stand by my prediction they will shut him down well before the Republican Convention or kill him should it look like he would take the nomination.

I hate to agree with you here, however I can’t find ANY fault with the ideas you’ve expressed.

I’m as fired up as anyone to hear The Honorable Ron Paul getting his message out in the Republican platform, but I’m just as aware as you that all our efforts, if successful, will serve to usher in an early death for this true American Patriot.

[NOOB]

Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard

I hate to agree with you here, however I can’t find ANY fault with the ideas you’ve expressed.

I’m as fired up as anyone to hear The Honorable Ron Paul getting his message out in the Republican platform, but I’m just as aware as you that all our efforts, if successful, will serve to usher in an early death for this true American Patriot.

I too see this as a possibility. What would it take for the people to stand up and take the country back? If Dr. Pauls momentum picks up and then that happens and we as the american people don't say enough is enough, we get what we deserve.

NOOB

[Goldhedge]

Using the "Bully Pulpit" he would take it to the people. A letter writing campaign would force the CONs to wake up.

He's a good orator.

Of course, the media would have to toe-the-line and carry his broadcasts.

Then again, there is the internet....

[Ardent Listener]

If he is elected and able to stay alive, then I expect we would start to see more people like him running and elected to office in congress.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Originally Posted by NOOB

I too see this as a possibility. What would it take for the people to stand up and take the country back? If Dr. Pauls momentum picks up and then that happens and we as the american people don't say enough is enough, we get what we deserve.

NOOB

You’re absolutely right!

At a bare minimum the majority of his supporters would need to campout on the mall in D.C. and have daily rallies around the Whitehouse, Capital, Jefferson memorial, Lincoln memorial and various other headquarter buildings in peaceful protest until a full accounting was quickly made and all coconspirators / enablers thrown in jail.

“At A Bare Minimum!”

[Tn...Andy]

Hey......they poped John Kennedy, and people bought it was a lone, crazed gunman for many many years.....lot of people still do.

Given the internet today, they'd be a little slicker about it I'd think......syringe full of air in a vein, or enough potassium to cause a heart attack or a firey auto crash, or whatever.....just enough that if you know the pattern, you'll know they did it, but not enough to rouse the rabble.

[KingTheoden]

Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard

I hate to agree with you here, however I can’t find ANY fault with the ideas you’ve expressed.

I’m as fired up as anyone to hear The Honorable Ron Paul getting his message out in the Republican platform, but I’m just as aware as you that all our efforts, if successful, will serve to usher in an early death for this true American Patriot.

Something to consider, and I am sure that TPTB are doing so feverishly, If the New World Order caps Ron Paul, he will go down as the greatest martyr of our time and the event probably spark a civil war. There are a lot of people who, at that point, will feel like the government has left no other option than the orders given by President Jefferson. It is quite possible that people in the military will too feel that such would be the absolute last straw.

They are caught between Scylla and Charybdis. The more they push to keep him out of the light, the more attention and support Ron Paul gains. Similarly, the more he is allowed to build momentum, the more people join his camp because his message is extremely contagious. We are at a point that if they attempt to pull out some dirt on him (I personally doubt there is any more than a few crumbs), it could backfire like everything else they have done.

This could be the beginning of the final battle in our country. We instinctively can feel it- look at the support Dr. Paul has generated with almost no money and coverage. If he can draw larger and larger crowds, it will at least give our tyrants a shiver.

[crud3w4re]

Originally Posted by NOOB

I too see this as a possibility. What would it take for the people to stand up and take the country back? If Dr. Pauls momentum picks up and then that happens and we as the american people don't say enough is enough, we get what we deserve.

NOOB

We really have to pull together on this one. Another 4-8 years of the SAME ole' system, another 4-8 years of the Federal Reserve inflating our economy, another 4-8 years of the IRS, another 4-8 years of government expansions, another 4-8 years of stupid laws & fascism...YES...America is becoming a Fascist state!

Fascism: Strong nationalism

America: Bush & the Neo Cons are pushing the "war on terror" - "they hate our "freedom"

Fascism: Corporate / State merger

America: More and more the corporations have influence on state! A prime example would be the Federal Reserve, basically, they're a bunch of bankers that have a license print up unlimited amount of paper money, secure their banks with the FDIC, and they are the main reason why we have inflation. There was going to be this system for other industries, but the Supreme Court found it to be unConstitutional. There WILL be more and more corporate power until they ALL will be able to eliminate competition and dictate policy.

Fascism: Militarism

America: We're building an embassy bigger than the Vatican, in Iraq (paraphrasing Dr. Ron Paul here). He also said that wer'e building 14 permanent bases, in Iraq? gosh.. we have bases in MOST nations of the world! This is militarism, Bush has already increased funding for the military DRAMATICALLY with the unlimited money supply of the Federal Reserve

Fascism: Dictator

America: We have a shared dictatorship * a new dictator every 4-8 years ;) He may not have 100% control, but when things like "The Patriot Act" are passed, we will get there eventually.

Fascism: Foreign policy of aggression

America: Need I explain?

AND MORE!

Look, we're becoming a Fascism state, right now, we're a watered down Fascist state, but it gets worse every single day.

I'm not even using the word 'Fascism' incorrectly, I know what it actually means, and America is becoming one! Only Ron Paul can save us. We may agree with some of the rhetoric of some of the other politicians, but will they eliminate the IRS? NO. Will they eliminate the Federal Reserve? NO. They won't do anything, more talk, less action.

We have two groups in America:

Dead weight: The majority of American voters that vote for the same party no matter what / and vote for the popular face, no research.

Swing voters: Voters, like us, that actually know which guy is the right one. We vote for the right guy, but our problem is the dead weight, they will ruin this election as they have ruined every other election. We have too many uninformed people voting!

[Horn]

Christ guys your writing him off for dead already, and it ain't even round 3.

Don't you guys know that alot of the results Paul would offer, would translate in some ways to what TPTB Global has wanted all along.

1. Reduced U.S.A. being mainly one of them..... U.N. would have to be bulked up for security and extended responsibility.

2. A hobbled U.S.A. financially.

3. A could be chaotic U.S.A.

Not saying he ain't the right choice for the U.S.A., I'm saying he is the natural choice.

It would be nice if the world could learn from his example (if elected) but I think the globalist will have it harder there.

You've got to face 1 thing with Paul, U.S.A. will have a very hard go at it in the beginning, but it's better than the slow swan dive off a cliff never to return.

[crud3w4re]

1. Reduced US? ha. No. A STRONGER US! Foreign nations would no longer hold us by the balls and Ron Paul DOES believe in a strong defense!

2. We would be economically sound.

3. Who needs the UN anyway?

[Horn]

If you want to be a member of the world, or the policeman it's your choice.

Some of the world won't be particularly welcoming when we stop policing.

They would harbor animosity, and ones that were profiting would have a hissy if they even could stand up, my guess is Japan would be eaten by China, but this is all in proper balance for the globalists mission.

And again Israel, may have to be moved to the border between Arizona and Mexico, because after the nuking the place will be uninhabitable.

[Christopher]

Listen up.

Here is what you need to focus on if you get Ron PAul in office.

You need to open up the CIA files and make public the crimes that have been ongoing witin our government for the last 100 years.

This is how you do it.

Just like Operation Northwoods getting released.


That is just the tip of the ice berg.


The governments crimes need to be exposed so that the public understands what is going on.

With this information....proper steps can be taken to rectify the mattter.

The first step however is making these files and other secret files public.

[Horn]

God save the Queen.

And he will as he always seems to do.