San Diego Fires: The Blackwater Connection

[Masonic Plot]

Having done some research the last few days I have come to the possible conclusion that there may be more than meets the eye here.


Blackwater has been in a big legal fight with the town of Potrero to build the nations largest mercenary training center. The people of the Potrero community have resisted Blackwater's attempts to do so, now suddenly all of their homes are gone and the entire community destroyed and purged of all Blackwater resistance.

I have a funny feeling that Blackwater may be getting a real good deal on a huge swath of land after the smoke clears.

Three weeks ago, the Petrero community was asked to sign a letter to Senator Dianne Feinstein and Senator Barbara Boxer about Blackwater's base, including a warning about Potrero's "fire-prone landscape":

"Not only will Blackwater's proposed California paramilitary base disrupt the lives of its residents, but it will also threaten the pristine natural habitat of the Round Potrero Valley, which includes part of Cleveland National Forest and is adjacent to the proposed Hauser Wilderness preserve. The regular detonation of firearms would be a risk both to the fire-prone landscape as well as to the wildlife that currently calls that area home, including the golden eagle and the California condor."

Blackwater is ironically now playing on those very people's emotions by offering their helicopters, tanks and soldiers to help the community and surrounding areas fight the fires.

This fire exploded just as the people of Potrero were preparing for a recall election on December 11 to kick out the planning group members who approved Blackwater's base. With ballots scheduled to be mailed in early November to less than 600 registered voters in this historic vote-by-mail recall, Potrero residents were preparing for an intense campaign over the next six weeks.

But the actual landscape -- and the political landscape -- of Potrero have been transformed over the last 48 hours.


I'm starting to hear on the news that authorities believe some of these fires were deliberately set.

After Blackwater is exposed as having been involved in terrorism, kidnapping and joy killings in Iraq...


It is almost, just too convenient, I'd say.

[creep276]

You aren't alone in thinking this. People from the area who call me crazy for some of my beliefs on 911/banking etc are coming to me with this same theory.

[goldbug]

Too perfect.

[skirnir]

He's one of those militant psychobabtists or something...been around enough of them to know the two-faced ethos.

I know...let's send *them* to Iraq, at least they will not vote in '08 that way :D

As he dies, though, he will probably praise El Busho for letting him go out that way.

[sindgefallen]

That theory seems plausible to me. I wasn't aware of the planned training site but will keep up on it from now on. I was planning on taking a Course from them next year in illinois. I'll have to re-think that one. This fire seems to benefit alot of people and companies except the homeowners. Well screw regular joe American as always. From continental currency speculation to Iraq the U.S. Soldier and Citizen always get the shaft.

[DogFarm]

i remember hearing about their new camp. i didn't know they were getting any push back.

yeah, i can see this being set by them.

[chewy]

Good catch! Yeah, I can see it.

It's pretty close to the border too. That has advantages for smuggling. I would ask does this area where they want to have their base abut to an Indian Reservation? In the 1980's and probably to this day the Cabazon Band of Mission Indians were run by a CIA front who flew in tons of, 'God knows what.' The Indian resv. is technically not a part of the USA so they took advantage of no customs inspections etc. I can see Blackwater doing the same.

[Got Goldies]

The hand that rocks the cradle is amoung is. Its no coincedence we seen snow at malibu. 50 foot waves at indonesia. Cat 6 hurricanes at orleans and oil pumps. Major earth movers at Japan and Hawaai. Vocanos blowing tops in record numbers. And now millions homeless from wildfire. What next, san andreas awaken from 170 year sleeping? Then gay san fran falls into ocean never to be found.

[sky]

Want to delete.

[Akula]

Originally Posted by Got Goldies

The hand that rocks the cradle is amoung is. Its no coincedence we seen snow at malibu. 50 foot waves at indonesia. Cat 6 hurricanes at orleans and oil pumps. Major earth movers at Japan and Hawaai. Vocanos blowing tops in record numbers. And now millions homeless from wildfire. What next, san andreas awaken from 170 year sleeping? Then gay san fran falls into ocean never to be found.

Rapture ...... be pure.......

LOL get a clue dude...

[Jekyll7]

I had the news on in the background tonight, and my attention was caught by the reporter saying "police shot and killed a man who was trying to set a fire". I think there is probably going to be a whole lot more to this story than it may have originally seemed.

[FunnyMoney]

Originally Posted by sky

My question to all of you familar with california fires, is why the fires were mostly in the San Diego county/ fallbrook area. Usually these types of wildfires almost always are in the Malibu, Topanga canyon, hillsides in and around that area , or at least going on together when we get them...? Strange, very strange!

Fires happen all the time here, we had a huge one that covered the entire city with smoke, smog, and ash for more than 3 days just a few years back.

The east county areas and more rural areas of San Diego have had this problem for as long as I can remember.

Basically, the problem stems from a desire to have a "green" view from your subdivision without the water resources to keep it all wet throughout the long drought stricken summers.

I remember once in the 80s, it didn't rain for 7 consecutive seasons.

The large towns in the Sonoran and other dry areas of Mexico allow for continuous control burning. It makes for a very brown view year around but it protects against large out of control fires reaching population centers.

[stillprepping]

funny,

Fires happen all the time here ..

very true. but that doesnt disprove that arson or other terrorist activities werent involved.

just so we're all on the same page ...

[BeefJerky]

Some guy called into the Howard Stern show on Sirius today with this theory. Needless to say, he was promptly dismissed as a nut job.:rolleyes_m:

[Gcubed]

The Coastal Commission from my experience makes it impossible to practice fire safety. Chop down some "weeds" and you are destroying the habitat of some bug. I do exagerate a bit but not much.

Originally Posted by FunnyMoney

Fires happen all the time here, we had a huge one that covered the entire city with smoke, smog, and ash for more than 3 days just a few years back.

The east county areas and more rural areas of San Diego have had this problem for as long as I can remember.

Basically, the problem stems from a desire to have a "green" view from your subdivision without the water resources to keep it all wet throughout the long drought stricken summers.

I remember once in the 80s, it didn't rain for 7 consecutive seasons.

The large towns in the Sonoran and other dry areas of Mexico allow for continuous control burning. It makes for a very brown view year around but it protects against large out of control fires reaching population centers.

[keihatsu]

I randomly happened to watch Fox News' coverage of this last night.

They said it was "definitely arson" and "whoever did it knew what they were doing". The fire had been "designed for maximum damage". They then assured us that <0.5% of arsons are ever caught and prosecuted, so we will never know who did it.

Lots of time with Governor Schwazenegger "managing the crisis". Frequent comparisons to Katrina and applauding the wonderful synergy between the Feds and California government. It immediately had the feel of a staged show to me which is why I stopped while clicking through the channels.

Until I saw Fox's coverage, it hadn't occurred to me that this might have been planned. But it was too smooth and the accolades for government were way too strong. Too coordinated in the message.

[rodin]

Originally Posted by Jekyll7

I had the news on in the background tonight, and my attention was caught by the reporter saying "police shot and killed a man who was trying to set a fire". I think there is probably going to be a whole lot more to this story than it may have originally seemed.

...Fire

who were the "military agents" originally reported killed while making their way to the 17th

Street Canal levee break? What were they doing there and why did police open fire on federal personnel, as originally reported?

http://www.rense.com/general69/whore.htm

...Water

In New Orleans Cui Bono leads to property developers. The idea is to make NO into another Vegas.

[Gcubed]

No doubt to what you say as far as the "northern" fires. I believe suspects are in custody. I lived through the fires four years ago in San Diego County. They were started by a lost hunter and spread with great speed.

Originally Posted by keihatsu

I randomly happened to watch Fox News' coverage of this last night.

They said it was "definitely arson" and "whoever did it knew what they were doing". The fire had been "designed for maximum damage". They then assured us that <0.5% of arsons are ever caught and prosecuted, so we will never know who did it.

Lots of time with Governor Schwazenegger "managing the crisis". Frequent comparisons to Katrina and applauding the wonderful synergy between the Feds and California government. It immediately had the feel of a staged show to me which is why I stopped while clicking through the channels.

Until I saw Fox's coverage, it hadn't occurred to me that this might have been planned. But it was too smooth and the accolades for government were way too strong. Too coordinated in the message.

[aeondaze]

I applaud MP for his astute observation...you were the first on the scene with this theory....and theres more...

Police shoot and kill suspected arsonist

Cal State San Bernardino:

A suspected arsonist was shot and killed by San Bernardino police last night, authorities said.

The man was spotted in a remote, brushy area behind Cal State San Bernardino, said Lt. Scott Patterson of the San Bernardino Police Department.

University police called in San Bernardino officers. When officers approached the suspect, he jumped in a car and fled, Patterson said. The man drove north on Waterman Avenue, then up a dirt fire road into the foothills, he said. When officers tried to stop him, he rammed their vehicles with his car, Patterson said.

"The officers fired their weapons in self-defense, and the suspect was struck and died as a result of his injuries," Patterson said.

The shooting is under investigation, Patterson said.

The man was in an area that burned during the 2003 Old fire, about 20 miles from the Lake Arrowhead blazes, Patterson said.

"They thought there could be the possibility that he's an arsonist," Patterson said. The area "is in the path of the fire."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/brea...ected-ars.html
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and the comments section?

Why did the San Bernardino police have to kill a man ramming their car? Couldn't they just wound him? The chance that this man is innocent is too great to justify killing him. There are many reasons an individual would flee police when surprised and alone. If terrified, an individual might even ram their car to escape. There was no mention of his being armed, which is alarming, considering what they did to him.

[macrohard]

Originally Posted by aeondaze

I applaud MP for his astute observation...you were the first on the scene with this theory....and theres more...

Police shoot and kill suspected arsonist

Cal State San Bernardino:

A suspected arsonist was shot and killed by San Bernardino police last night, authorities said.

The man was spotted in a remote, brushy area behind Cal State San Bernardino, said Lt. Scott Patterson of the San Bernardino Police Department.

University police called in San Bernardino officers. When officers approached the suspect, he jumped in a car and fled, Patterson said. The man drove north on Waterman Avenue, then up a dirt fire road into the foothills, he said. When officers tried to stop him, he rammed their vehicles with his car, Patterson said.

"The officers fired their weapons in self-defense, and the suspect was struck and died as a result of his injuries," Patterson said.

The shooting is under investigation, Patterson said.

The man was in an area that burned during the 2003 Old fire, about 20 miles from the Lake Arrowhead blazes, Patterson said.

"They thought there could be the possibility that he's an arsonist," Patterson said. The area "is in the path of the fire."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/brea...ected-ars.html
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and the comments section?

Maybe robocop ordered the police to shoot some random guy and blame everything on him? :D

[Gcubed]

Originally Posted by aeondaze

I applaud MP for his astute observation...you were the first on the scene with this theory....and theres more...

Police shoot and kill suspected arsonist

Cal State San Bernardino:

A suspected arsonist was shot and killed by San Bernardino police last night, authorities said.

The man was spotted in a remote, brushy area behind Cal State San Bernardino, said Lt. Scott Patterson of the San Bernardino Police Department.

University police called in San Bernardino officers. When officers approached the suspect, he jumped in a car and fled, Patterson said. The man drove north on Waterman Avenue, then up a dirt fire road into the foothills, he said. When officers tried to stop him, he rammed their vehicles with his car, Patterson said.

"The officers fired their weapons in self-defense, and the suspect was struck and died as a result of his injuries," Patterson said.

The shooting is under investigation, Patterson said.

The man was in an area that burned during the 2003 Old fire, about 20 miles from the Lake Arrowhead blazes, Patterson said.

"They thought there could be the possibility that he's an arsonist," Patterson said. The area "is in the path of the fire."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/brea...ected-ars.html
__________________________________________________ ________________

and the comments section?

Police and civilians are trained to shoot to kill. To attempt to mearly wound could end up with you being dead. Perp's take their lives in their hands when they refuse to stop and answer questions. Attorneys are provided for them in the USA.

[Masonic Plot]

CHECK THIS OUT:

http://www.michiganmessenger.com/sho...do?diaryId=320

Former Bush General Touts Privatization of National Disaster Response
by: Eartha Jane Melzer
Thursday (10/25) at 15:07 PM

"Country Club Fees" Would Guarantee Protection
A retired general now working for a controversial private security company told an audience last night about the services the company plans to provide.

The government does not have the tax base to provide services to everyone in the event of a major catastrophe, retired Brigadier General Richard W. Mills told an audience in Pellston last night.

Mills served as Deputy Director of the Counterterrorism Center (CTC) of the Central Intelligence Agency before retirement this year. At a public meeting at the Pellston High School he presented himself as the executive vice president for strategic development for Sovereign Deed, an 18 month old company that offers private disaster response services.


Sovereign Deed was started by a founder of Triple Canopy -- one the largest private security companies doing business in Iraq. In August the company announced that it would build a "national response center" at the Pellston airport in Emmet County. The announcement came after State Senator Jason Allen (R-Traverse City) successfully sponsored a bill to allow private security firms to qualify for tax abatements as industrial facilities.
Mills, and Emmet County officials, were on hand last night to speak about Sovereign Deed and address what they called a wave of "rumors" about the company's plans.

Mills said that Sovereign Deed is focused on helping people in urban areas plan to survive a major disaster.

Mills said that Sovereign Deed would offer planning and rescue services to subscribers who pay a "country club type membership fee." Basic service, he said, would involve a one time $50,000 fee and $15,000 per year.

"The reality of FEMA is that is has no infrastructure, and a lot of our National Guard is elsewhere fighting the war," Mills said. "You never know what could happen. A hurricane, a terrorist attack, a nuclear power plant going bad -- it doesn't matter, you make concentric circles, you get a plan."

He said northern Michigan was well suited for a national response center because it has low air traffic congestion and few risks outside the occasional snow storm.

Though some said they would welcome any business development that might bring jobs to local people, many objected to what they called the vague nature of Sovereign Deed's plans.

Mills did not offer details about what supplies would be stored at it's Emmet county warehouses. He did not offer details on how much air traffic the business might generate, how many people it would train and what sort of training people would receive. He did say that the company would bring military cargo planes to the Pellston airport.

Mills emphasized that Sovereign Deed is not a government agency. But he did not rule out working for governments and he said that FEMA is looking to privatize some functions.

Members of the group "Do We Need Sovereign Deed" are questioning the use of tax incentives to attract Sovereign Deed. During the forum several people expressed concerns about a "parallel universe" security system being set up to benefit only those with financial resources.

The Sovereign Deed plan, "Flies in the face of democracy," Carolyn Belknap said.

Belknap said she feels the company's plans are covert and that she is suspicious of Sovereign Deed connections to other similar organizations such as Triple Canopy and Blackwater.

Belknap said she is particularly disturbed by Sovereign Deed claims that they will have access to advance intelligence on security threats. She said she is concerned with the privatization of security intelligence.

Belknap pointed to the close relationships between Eric Prince, founder of Blackwater, and conservative political causes and candidates.

"I think that when we dig deeper we are going to find that they are all connected. We've got to follow the money."

As part of the campaign to do this, Belknap said, concerned citizens in Northern Michigan are forming ties with a group in California that is mobilizing to oppose a Blackwater training camp there.

East of San Diego, in rural Potrero, California (now in the midst of a forest fire) a recall campaign seeks to unseat planning commissioners who approved a plan for a 860 acre Blackwater training facility.

Activists there say that the Blackwater facility near the southern border is positioned to take advantage of government border security contracts.

Some people wary of the Sovereign Deed project have expressed concern that a closed state prison camp in Pellston may be part of the company's future plans.

[wallew]

OK, arson is NOT Blackwaters MO.

IT IS the MO of the ecoterrorists. They have been 'burning sheet' all over California AND Colorado.

Now, if you had said something was blowed up OR they found bodies with shots to the back of the head, then MAYBE it could have been Blackwater.

I think you are 'subscribing' to a theory that is a PERFECT COVER for Eco people.

For those of you who live in SD, didn't these ECO guys burn down a newly developing subdivision AND a Hummer dealership within the last year? Granted they normally 'leave their message' at the site of the burn, but in THIS INSTANCE??? They did burn down a multi-million dollar lodge at the top of one of the ski resorts here in Colorado in the past few years.

Just something to mull over...

[Horn]

Amazing timing there, Masonic, Huh.

I keep telling everybody that we are returning to the wil, wild, west.

They refuse to listen.:D

[Gcubed]

Ditto, and I did live there when the nut jobs committed the felonies mentioned.

Gcubed

Originally Posted by wallew

OK, arson is NOT Blackwaters MO.

IT IS the MO of the ecoterrorists. They have been 'burning sheet' all over California AND Colorado.

Now, if you had said something was blowed up OR they found bodies with shots to the back of the head, then MAYBE it could have been Blackwater.

I think you are 'subscribing' to a theory that is a PERFECT COVER for Eco people.

For those of you who live in SD, didn't these ECO guys burn down a newly developing subdivision AND a Hummer dealership within the last year? Granted they normally 'leave their message' at the site of the burn, but in THIS INSTANCE??? They did burn down a multi-million dollar lodge at the top of one of the ski resorts here in Colorado in the past few years.

Just something to mull over...

[Horn]

Originally Posted by wallew

OK, arson is NOT Blackwaters MO.

IT IS the MO of the ecoterrorists. They have been 'burning sheet' all over California AND Colorado.

Now, if you had said something was blowed up OR they found bodies with shots to the back of the head, then MAYBE it could have been Blackwater.

I think you are 'subscribing' to a theory that is a PERFECT COVER for Eco people.

For those of you who live in SD, didn't these ECO guys burn down a newly developing subdivision AND a Hummer dealership within the last year? Granted they normally 'leave their message' at the site of the burn, but in THIS INSTANCE??? They did burn down a multi-million dollar lodge at the top of one of the ski resorts here in Colorado in the past few years.

Just something to mull over...

wallew, considering applying for a job over there, no doubt.

[Masonic Plot]

OK, arson is NOT Blackwaters MO.

But it could possibly BECOME their MO if they have a vested interest in building a training camp in an area where they are facing lots of popular opposition. I dont think Blackwater has an MO, per se. I think Blackwater will do what Blackwater needs to do in order to benefit Blackwater.

And besides, I never said Blackwater started the fires, I said there are alot of strange coincidences at play behind the scenes and things may not be what they seem to be, I merely suggested that people take a closer look with some of what I presented, in mind.

[Horn]

Originally Posted by Masonic Plot

I think Blackwater will do what Blackwater needs to do in order to benefit Blackwater.

Yes, and I would hate to be the one trying to arrest them if it was something illegal.

[Horn]

wallew's mug shot for the most wanted man in the west.

[aeondaze]

Originally Posted by Gcubed

Police and civilians are trained to shoot to kill. To attempt to mearly wound could end up with you being dead. Perp's take their lives in their hands when they refuse to stop and answer questions. Attorneys are provided for them in the USA.

Point taken, I know nothing about firearms, I guess if you are going to pull the thing out, you must be prepared to use deadly force or be killed. Its not a toy.

Secondly, Ecoterr'sts usually fire bomb capitalistic enterprises like car yards with SUVs, or the hotel that was mentioned or a land parcel in development...NOT natural environments. It's counterproductive to their cause.

Thirdly, I have a friend who was a fire trainer for some time and he related to me many stories where Fire Officers themselves were convicted of arson and often thought to be in the 'loop' over some incidents....

Fourthly, arson is the worlds hardest crime to police, rarely do individuals get caught....It's known to be the most thorough and easy form of violence in criminal circles with the added bonus of little chance getting caught...

Arson is the oldest form of blackmail, I imagine it has been that way for aeons....

It is my belief that incidents of pyromania are few and far between, that most arson is the product of illegal activities for profit. Seems to be painful truth inside fire departments as well......