There are free energy machines, just not in the USA

[bigjon]

An "Open Letter" from Bruce dePalma
to Space Energy Association Newsletter:
-------------------------------------------------- EDITORIAL
7 September 1992
From:
Bruce DePalma
c/o Unlimited Vision
P.0. Box 248 Mullumbimby, N.S.W.
2482 Australia
FAX # 61 (66) 858-274
To:
Space Energy Association - SEA/US
Alternate Energy Systems
c/o Don Kelly
P.0. Box 11422 Clearwater, FL U.S.A. 34616
FAX # 1 (813) 442-3923
Dear Don,
This an open letter which you may publish in your Space Energy Journal. I very much appreciate all the coverage you have given the N machine in recent issues, and having been out of the United States now for five months and I can look back at America with somewhat clearer vision than I could see things from being in the midst of them while I was there.
I received two letters from you which came from William Hyde and Paul Brown, William Hyde being associated with his electrostatic machine; Paul Brown has done a lot of work in flux transformers and nuclear batteries, but I am not totally acquainted with his present work. At any rate they both have finally wakened to the fact that Free Energy technology is oppressed in the United States. And since I am here in Australia, and can see things more clearly than when I was in the U.S, I thought I had a few things I might add to their observations.
Yes, I have been threatened for my life. The first threat came from Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut who told me that the Government had said there "never was any doubt" that the N machine was the Free Energy machine they were looking for, and if I tried anything on my own in California I would have my head blown off. And the CIA warned me via Mitchell that I should not leave the country because I would be kidnapped. This was back in 1980, when these efforts frightened me out of going to Hanover, Germany for Dr. Neiper's first Gravity Field Energy Conference, which is where P. Tewari brought his N machine from India and got the prize for the most clearly observable Free Energy phenomena to date.
In later years I have had my inventions confiscated by various groups, the first being the Sunburst Community, which helped me build the N machine you wrote about in your last issue, when their leader got dollar signs in his eyes and decided to see what he could do with it without DePalma. Later on other groups tried to manipulate me and control me in the sense that they would get everything out of me technically without any assurances that I would be paid for any more than one year's work. In fact, Mitchell's contract with me was a deal he was trying to set up where he was going to have to raise 150 - 300 million dollars and start a company which would be the size of General Motors in three to five years, and from then on, who knows? Out of this I would get a one year employment contract and $30,000 and the possibility of maybe owning one or two percent of the operation; something I turned down because of my lawyers advice. And Mitchell, of course, blew up.
So then after that I had a deal with a company in Southern California called MicroCoGen, to buy N machines for a congeneration system, which was a pretty highly advanced system of its type. Anyway, Southern California Edison put them out of business because it got a list of their customers through some Law, and renegotiated the power rates lower so that the customers did not need to buy the machines anymore. More recently I have appeared on KPFK in Los Angeles, an independent, non-commercial, subscription supported station, very powerful�120 thousand watts or so�FM. The most powerful FM station west of the Mississippi. And as soon as my name is mentioned one night on one of my shows, which was not even known that it was going to be on, the power went off for three hours. Now this may all be coincidental, and I may be paranoid. In the case of the power going off at the transmitter there was supposed to be some transformer maintenance, but it was scheduled for the following days. This was a Tuesday show, and it was suppose to happen Thursday. And without notice, as soon as Bruce DePalma was announced as the most controversial guest the talk show host Roy Tuckman has had on, then the juice went off and didn't reappear for three hours. We also did a show that night, but nevertheless things like this happen. And of course any kind of deal that I have tried to put together over the years, no matter how carefully researched and no matter how carefully documented and how well thought out and put together by lawyers and technical people, everything has fizzled out at the high end somewhere. So you go through this year in and year out and you wonder what's going on.
And you get no response from the responsible agencies in the government who you think should do something about this. For instances, NASA was finally instructed by a couple of congressmen, after I was on a U.S. wide daily talk show - The Chuck Harder 'For The People' show out of Florida - they requested NASA to do an investigation and they fiddled and piddled and made dates and changed dates, and then it all just went away. Air Force people came to see me and they said they cannot do this except on their free time, and it can't be known that they are associated with this. You have to see that after a while the message comes through to you that you are operating in a very strange kind of environment where most of the people around you believe that the laws of right and wrong and reason, the belief in the Constitution and lawyers and all of this is a kind of philosophy we hold on to, but the real activity going on is a collection of corrupt lawyers in cahoots with corrupt businessmen and politicians who will do anything to maintain their control over fixed resources and then guarantee themselves some sort of income because they are sitting on all of it and we have to have it, and we have to pay for it piece by piece, every gallon, every kiloWatt hour of electricity has to be paid for. And the thought that someone might have an independent source of energy in their own home which could disconnect from this, of course is not to be thought at all. It is too unthinkable! And if there is any cognizance paid to this sort of technology it is immediately classified and applied to military instruments; the most modern of which use enormous quantities of electricity. That is: Laser Death Rays, and Ship Propulsion Systems, Space Battle Station Power Systems, Mars Station Power Systems, and on and on...
So from the perspective of seeing things from Australia, I see America as a place where a lid was put on Science, and it started in the late '50's when "Secrecy" started happening and "Classified" conditions exist. And then there were layers and layers of classification and "need to know" and probably only certain "eyes only" committees, and so on... And it all adds up to the fact that Science, which thrives on the free interchange of ideas, is completely stopped in its tracks when no communication is allowed to exist. If this is not bad enough, we are living on a planet which has a collision in process between the number of people it can feed and sustain and the number of people that live here, and something has to be resolved about that. So any technological answers would be very welcome in a world which is going to starve to death, and maybe fight about it in the same way.
By putting a lid on technology and sequestering all the new information to themselves the only focus of it could be on military instruments and the idea of a people powered society�a non-taxable, uncontrollable, perfectly free group of people who are trying to learn how to live and get along by themselves - this is not a good thing for those planners and economic doctors, lawyers, politician and businessmen, all of whom have it all figured out down to the last stroke, providing the assets are fixed. So the reason I left America is because I think that America has passed the point of no return, as far as its ability to recover itself. Here in Australia the Australians more or less agree that they are thirty yeas behind the American, but what that means is that they still have a chance to recover themselves if they pursue an independent, non-aligned Energy Policy of their own. So basically what I am suggesting is this: It has gone on for too long now. We have global Energy Networks; Information Hot-lines which have copies of all the Free Energy papers circulating around the globe. This global awareness bypasses the Universities and all the fixed monoliths that stand on the way to progress. And if your readership is really interested in understanding the papers and the experiments and so forth, they shouldn't depend on the local professors to give them any help whatsoever because that whole educational dinosaur of a fixed University is obsolete by the global satellite computer interface University where all information is available instantaneously from somewhere, all you need is a computer and a modem. So people can tune into the Free Energy Network, and I do not have the figures at my fingertips right now, so you certainly could tell your readers about that. People in Australia are establishing a Free Energy Network computer access system where all the papers of all the people can be accessed.
This brings me around to the final point that I wanted to make in this letter, and that is my interest in bringing Free Energy into the world at a time when the world needs it, there's no doubt, there is no question that Free Energy does exist and there is also no doubt and there is also no question that the world is in big trouble. Energy being the source of all of our activities, if we can improve our take on the production of Energy, we would be helping this a lot! And I am not just pushing for the N machine - The Rotating Magnet Space Power Generator, because this is only one of a number of different devices and machines which can elicit Free Energy. So what I am basically pushing for over here is a political awareness the Free Energy does exist and that is worthy of a place in the panoply of sciences like everything else, and that a laboratory should be established and open to those interested in this and this exclusively. The object of all this would be to produce power plants for non-polluting, self sustaining future for our planet. So the N machine may not be the "be all and the end all", but it is one of a number of apparatus which has been shown to produce excess electrical output over mechanical input. I think the N machine being as powerful as it is, is more suitable to drive cities, airplanes, ships and locomotives than it is automobiles and homes.
There may be smaller versions of different principles which may be more applicable and makeable in large quantities for that application; but in the meantime I have a suggestion, and that is the Earth could adopt a Hydrogen economy.
A Hydrogen economy based on gas developed out of the electrolysis of water generated out of N machines could produce Hydrogen at a third to a fifth of the cost at which Hydrogen is generally sold and distributed right now. This makes it a practical fuel for the automobile. Anyone could have a Hydrogen generator in their basement. They could have a tank of hydride through which the Hydrogen generated could bubble and charge this thing up, it could also service the stove and the air-conditioner, the heating and refrigeration uses of the home. Many people have thought about the Hydrogen economy and how we could slowly merge the fossil fuel economy into it, and then we could go into the all electric economy after that. But as a intermediate thought, an N machine which does not have to be powerful enough to be self-sustaining is very, very effective in electrolysis of water at low voltages and very high currents. And so such machines could be made cheaply, in fact they could be built by hand and electrolyzers attached to the output voltages and they could be driven by electric motors from the power grid or by gasoline engines or water power, wind power... And these Hydrogen generators could charge Hydride in the fashion of the system developed by a man who was also harassed by the Government, Gerald Schafflander. Dr. Schafflander, as far as I understand, operated back in the seventies, built a Hydrogen car with the idea of producing the Hydrogen from electricity developed by solar cells in a desert environment with no clouds; and Hydrogen thus produced from the solar cells and the water, was then bubbled through a tank of Hydride which was then put in the trunk of the car and a small heating element liberated the Hydrogen which was then put into tubing to a carburetor adjusted for the burning of Hydrogen and the automobile or truck operated perfectly normal. Now this scheme is very applicable to our present society and of course produces no pollution at all, and the amount of Hydrogen which can be developed out of fossil fuels is much greater than you would get from the heat you would get from just burning the fossil fuels themselves. So the gain happens to consist in the electrolyzer N machine combination which seem to fit each other.
With that thought, your readers might consider constructing Hydrogen generator systems based on N machines and electrolytic cells and then digging out Schafflander's patent, or even to see if Schafflander is still in jail - put there by the SEC for the same kind of frivolous reasons they have been hassling Paul Brown and William Hyde. Maybe we could get Schafflander to come out. This system is very practical and will completely stop the burning of fossil fuel, petroleum and stop the production of smog and acid rain. So let's think about that. Thank you for your continuing support of my work.
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Vol. III, No. III
October -November 1992
Space Energy Association
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OVERVIEW COMMENTARY ON THE STATUS OF THE FREE ENERGY FIELD:
"Anyone who now believes that all of the true free energy units or systems shown on this page are fakes or nonsense, must of necessity have a double-digit IQ, and/or should not seek a career in the scientific or engineering fields.
While not many of the F/E units systems shown here are practical for wide usage, they all, in some degree work are proven as O/U/O projects!
The growing body of evidence to support the free energy concept is now overwhelming, although the ugh!, scientific establishment may be underwhelmed about such conclusions!
Either we must have scientific fidelity, in both theory and practice, or we should all move back into the caves whence we all came!!!!"
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[Infidel]

So if this energy is "free" how come dePalma not post some version of the plans on the freenet/p2p/tor

Just put it out there with no name mentioned in there. If it is something that can be reproduced then he will live in a better world. if it is out there and hobbyists can build them from easy set of plans then after the fact thisis recognized by J2P depalma can go ino business of building better versions. as of now he is just some MattMarriot clone.

[SilverKnight]

The problem with putting the invention out on the Internet is that virtually any company can then race to the U.S. Patent Office and claim that "they" created it first and you "stole" the plans and put them on the Internet. The patent is then tied up in the courts for decades, and anyone attempting to make the device themselves runs into patent attorneys sniffing around.

Our own Patent Office requires applicants to publish in their magazine 18 months before the patent is granted - plenty of time for any corporation in the world to reverse-engineer around the "patent pending". If the patent is really interesting, then the National Security Agency or the Dept of Defense will make you "an offer you can't refuse". It's a lose-lose situation.

The only way to win is total independence. A non-US patent. Venture capitalists not tied to the military-industrial complex of the US. Manufacturers, distributors, advertisers - all non-US and also not out to steal your invention just as fast as anybody else in the business.

Sound hard? This is the result of over 100 years of corruption in our American way. When we should be flying to the Moon every week, instead we are more concerned in keeping shackles on everybody and ourselves, lest someone else beat us to the punch.

[Ponce Cuba]

You got it Knight and that's why I refuse to take another patent and as I make my inventions I see them work and then I just put them away.

My last two patents didn't make anything for me because I didnt' try to do anything with them (my fault) but 35 different inventions came out using my invention as the lead car.

I do have one that could make me a multi millionaire many times over but I would need 2.5 millions in order to cover the market before anyone has a chance to copy it ........ but is ok because I am comfy and don't really need to make any more money, or the headaches.

[mozkill]

The problem with putting the invention out on the Internet is that virtually any company can then race to the U.S. Patent Office and claim that "they" created it first and you "stole" the plans and put them on the Internet. The patent is then tied up in the courts for decades, and anyone attempting to make the device themselves runs into patent attorneys sniffing around.

This is such a bunch of hogwash. If it really was true that other people have built the machine for themselves in order to prove its existence, then chances are that one of those people would have shared the plans on freenet by now. These things, therefore, we know to be true beyond a doubt:

1. If the invention really exists, someone has been able to keep it secret for years.
2. The invention is somehow not easily patented in any country. The inventor is afraid to patent it (not just in the U.S.)
3. Other people have not yet built the machine because they would have shared the plans on freenet by now. Only the inventor has actually built it because all the other people who built it since for some reason will not share the information or let anyone else see the working device.
4. Some of the crazy hippy communes like J.Z.'s Ramtha would be using it by now to get independence of electrical power from the world.
5. To publish in a magazine, all you need is to invite a bunch of people to actually "view" the device in secrecy and then let them write a magazine article about it.

[Pip]

If this guy is so confident in his system, why not publish in a real peer-reviewed journal....nature and science would kill to get such a paper (if it was real).

[Halophyte]

There are free energy machines, just not in the USA

I beg you pardon. Operating quite nicely, thankyou.

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[AlloyDragon]

Originally Posted by SilverKnight

The problem with putting the invention out on the Internet is that virtually any company can then race to the U.S. Patent Office and claim that "they" created it first and you "stole" the plans and put them on the Internet. The patent is then tied up in the courts for decades, and anyone attempting to make the device themselves runs into patent attorneys sniffing around.

Our own Patent Office requires applicants to publish in their magazine 18 months before the patent is granted - plenty of time for any corporation in the world to reverse-engineer around the "patent pending". If the patent is really interesting, then the National Security Agency or the Dept of Defense will make you "an offer you can't refuse". It's a lose-lose situation.

The only way to win is total independence. A non-US patent. Venture capitalists not tied to the military-industrial complex of the US. Manufacturers, distributors, advertisers - all non-US and also not out to steal your invention just as fast as anybody else in the business.

Sound hard? This is the result of over 100 years of corruption in our American way. When we should be flying to the Moon every week, instead we are more concerned in keeping shackles on everybody and ourselves, lest someone else beat us to the punch.

If the invention has been published, then no one can get a valid patent, due to prior art. Also US patents are only good in the US, so if this work was published, and someone did managed to get a US patent through, people in every other country in the world could still make it with worry about being dragged into court, to be the test case to invalidate the patent on the ground of prior art.

[Ponce Cuba]

You got it Dragon and that's why I never took out another patent....all they have to do is to change the size of a screw and then get a new patent.

I happened 35 times with one of my patents......well, I only have two of them.

[Pip]

Originally Posted by Ponce Cuba

You got it Dragon and that's why I never took out another patent....all they have to do is to change the size of a screw and then get a new patent.

I happened 35 times with one of my patents......well, I only have two of them.

Depends on the type of patent....some types of patents particularly lend themselves to engineering around them (e.g. electronics) while others are not (e.g. pharmaceuticals). It is the nature of the beast, that is why patent claims will stake out as much territory as possible.

[Mr.Blonde]

Originally Posted by Pip

Nature and Science would kill to get such a paper (if it was real).

I think that is exactly what this guy is worried about.......

[Pip]

Originally Posted by Mr.Blonde

I think that is exactly what this guy is worried about.......

(not meant to be taken in the literal sense)

[Jasper]

Think of an idiot in your neighborhood, maybe somebody like Ponce's next-door neighbor, then think of some of the things he might get up to if he had a free energy machine. . . .

:eek:

[SilverKnight]

So, some proof is needed?

Invention Secrecy website

Suppression, Censorship and Dogmatism in Science

The Disclosure Project

If this guy is so confident in his system, why not publish in a real peer-reviewed journal....nature and science would kill to get such a paper (if it was real).

Pip, there are now dozens, if not hundreds, of cases where the "peer-review journals" did their best to discredit any 'white paper' that came to them that challenged the status quo. These are physicists we are talking about, human beings with egos, who built their PhD tenure on the established "laws" of physics, and will defend their beliefs to the death. (Try to get them to explain some of the "accepted laws" that they stand upon.) Einstein is never "wrong". Maxwell is never "wrong". There are only "exceptions" to the current theories that only require a "building upon" to explain the "exceptions". No rewrites of known science are allowed, only a pyramid-like progression to a final "theory of everything". And there is nothing outside that theory, either.

Fleischmann-Pons were discredited by taking their 12-month refinement of 99%-pure palladium rods and "duplicating" the experiment with rods made in under 2 months. The past 60 years of "hot" thermonuclear fusion at government expense was threatened by tabletop "cold" electrochemical fusion, and the big guns at MIT were brought to sling mud at the two scientistists.

Tesla has been talked enough about here. There was an effort when electrodynamics and electromechanical science was just beginning in the 1920s to "lock down" this new science with big businesses. The U.S. goverment and the Patent Office helped. And still help today.

This isn't science, to squelch pure research "outside" the established norm, and if experimental proof is found, to exclude the research from the mainstream, peer review, and applied research dollars. For the last 90 years the U.S. has done its' best to restrict all research that does not help "the establishment". Monolithic, centeralized power that restricts freedom is approved. Independent, decentralized, unlimited free electrical power that cannot be taxed continously is suppressed, bought up and buried, or ridiculed.

[GOLD DUCK]

QWAK, By maintaining IGNORENCE in the population it has always been posble for a FIEW ELETE to minipulate the many so that the MANY are compelled to SERVE the FIEW and most often that is highly detramental to the MANY as they become SLAVES with or with out the many knowing they are in fact DEFACTO SLAVES!

http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm

You are invited to down load and review this and believe or disreguard as you chose, but THIS is just one very important aeria ware the public has been delibritly kept in the dark and uninformed, with the intent of maintaining the current POWER and CONTROL structures.

There are MANY areias ware disceptions and distractions are commonly used to maintain public IGNORENCE because ONLY when the public is sufficiently IGNORENT can they be controled and forced to comply with the orders given by the FIEW so that THEY can continue to injoy privleged status and the bennifits of POWER!

When some say "What they don't KNOW won't hurt them" They are LIEING! They MISLEAD with INTENT and PURPOSE and it is ALWAYS "SELF SERVING" and it DOES HURT the IGNORENT --- they just don't know or understand HOW and HOW MUCH they have been HARMED!

the DUCK

[GOLD DUCK]

QWAK,One must QUESTION what kind of CREATURES prefer DARKNESS and IGNORENCE to INLIGHTENMENT and TRUTH?
They OBVIOUSLY prefer MISDIRECTION and REDIRECTION as a PLOY to gain some level of CREDABILITY because it serves some SELF SERVING personal goals.
I fully expect any one in that position to deny vigorusly this OBVIOUS TRUTH and can only say that is concistent with what I and others have experienced from such persons for a very long time.
People/creatures who prefer darkness and ignorence of the mass population always have alterior motives which they never disclose as it would undermine their position and inpower the ones who surender their personal power to them.
In leagond such people/creachers are depicted as BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIERS but in REALITY they do EXIST and they LIVE off of KNOLAGE and INFORMATION not taken FROM but rather "WITH HELD FROM" the PEOPLE or comunity.
KNOLAGE and WISDOM are POWERFULL, they are the SILVER BULLETS with which such BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIRES can be DEFEATED and DEFANGED!
FEAR is the primary TOOL used to minipulate ignorent people but it is rendered inoperative by COURAGE and that is only posble when KNOLAGE of TRUTH is in the posesion of the people who would be DELIBERITLY MISLEAD by others who NEED that TOOL to gain and maintain their POWER!
KNOLAGE when only in the hands of a fiew is A POWERFULLY CORUPTIVE thing but when in the
hands of MANY it is a CLENSING and PURIFING and ultimitly an INLIGHTENING and IMPOWERING FORCE that rases the MANY to a level of EQUALITY with the ones who percieve them selves as SUPERIOR wile KNOWING they are NOT, except for the BIT of KNOLAGE they posess and the many others do NOT!
The DARK AGES were DARK because of the SUPRESSION of KNOLAGE and UNDERSTNDING by THE FIEW and for THAT REASON ALL the BOOKS were BURNED and today that SAME MENTALITY is common and is also why so much IGNORENCE is not just TOLERATED but intentionaly MANIFESTED in the general population.
IGNORENCE is the DARK POWER of the ELETE over the MASSES which in countless ways allows THEM to INSLAVE the MANY and convince them to SERVE WILLINGLY the FIEW.
It is an UGLY thing to DO yet is done OPENLY and so commonly that it goes UNQUESTIONED and UNCHALENGED virtualy 100% of the time, because it has been TOUGHT and LEARNED and handed down over many generations with any who would DARE go agenst the established NORM being PUNISHED in some form or fassion!

the DUCK

[GOLD DUCK]

QWAK,OOPS! A putor glich? I apoligise for previous post being so hard to read beyond my NORMAL I am reposting with proper spacing (hopfully).
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One must QUESTION what kind of CREATURES prefer DARKNESS and IGNORENCE to INLIGHTENMENT and TRUTH?

They OBVIOUSLY prefer MISDIRECTION and REDIRECTION as a PLOY to gain some level of CREDABILITY because it serves some SELF SERVING personal goals.

I fully expect any one in that position to deny vigorusly this OBVIOUS TRUTH and can only say that is concistent with what I and others have experienced from such persons for a very long time.

People/creatures who prefer darkness and ignorence of the mass population always have alterior motives which they never disclose as it would undermine their position and inpower the ones who surender their personal power to them.

In leagond such people/creachers are depicted as BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIERS but in REALITY they do EXIST and they LIVE off of KNOLAGE and INFORMATION not taken FROM but rather "WITH HELD FROM" the PEOPLE or comunity.

KNOLAGE and WISDOM are POWERFULL, they are the SILVER BULLETS with which such BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIRES can be DEFEATED and DEFANGED!

FEAR is the primary TOOL used to minipulate ignorent people but it is rendered inoperative by COURAGE and that is only posble when KNOLAGE of TRUTH is in the posesion of the people who would be DELIBERITLY MISLEAD by others who NEED that TOOL to gain and maintain their POWER!

KNOLAGE when only in the hands of a fiew is A POWERFULLY CORUPTIVE thing but when in the hands of MANY it is a CLENSING and PURIFING and ultimitly an INLIGHTENING and IMPOWERING FORCE that rases the MANY to a level of EQUALITY with the ones who percieve them selves as SUPERIOR wile KNOWING they are NOT, except for the BIT of KNOLAGE they posess and the many others do NOT!

The DARK AGES were DARK because of the SUPRESSION of KNOLAGE and UNDERSTNDING by THE FIEW and for THAT REASON ALL the BOOKS were BURNED and today that SAME MENTALITY is common and is also why so much IGNORENCE is not just TOLERATED but intentionaly MANIFESTED in the general population.

IGNORENCE is the DARK POWER of the ELETE over the MASSES which in countless ways allows THEM to INSLAVE the MANY and convince them to SERVE WILLINGLY the FIEW.

It is an UGLY thing to DO yet is done OPENLY and so commonly that it goes UNQUESTIONED and UNCHALENGED virtualy 100% of the time, because it has been TOUGHT and LEARNED and handed down over many generations with any who would DARE go agenst the established NORM being PUNISHED in some form or fassion!

the DUCK

[Pip]

Originally Posted by SilverKnight

These are physicists we are talking about, human beings with egos, who built their PhD tenure on the established "laws" of physics, and will defend their beliefs to the death.

Exactly, each and every of them has a huge ego that would love to be remembered in the annals of time as a modern Prometheus, the one who invented 'free energy' and brought energy to the masses. Scientists get remembered historically because they struckout against the establishment, not by following it.

Originally Posted by SilverKnight

Einstein is never "wrong". Maxwell is never "wrong". There are only "exceptions" to the current theories that only require a "building upon" to explain the "exceptions". No rewrites of known science are allowed, only a pyramid-like progression to a final "theory of everything".

This is actually quite funny, as Maxwell, Einsten, Heisenberg, Planck, Pauli, and Bose all struck out against the accepted physics of their day, proposing a re-write of current theory. Look at the experimental progressions of Thomson, Bohr, Mulliken, and Rutherford, coupled with mathematical descriptions by Schrodinger and Dirac and you will see several re-writes and a constantly revised theory.

BTW, cosmologists are still debating the cosmic constant (can't remember what einstein said it was) and there have been experiments showing that light is slowing down, contrary tothe theory of relativity.

Originally Posted by SilverKnight

Fleischmann-Pons were discredited by taking their 12-month refinement of 99%-pure palladium rods and "duplicating" the experiment with rods made in under 2 months. The past 60 years of "hot" thermonuclear fusion at government expense was threatened by tabletop "cold" electrochemical fusion, and the big guns at MIT were brought to sling mud at the two scientistists.

It should not matter, the only isotope of Pd with an appreciable half-life is Pd-103, with a half life of 17 days, which is only a natural abudance of 1%. If this is an important feature of the system, the authors need to clearly dictate that. However, if no one else can duplicate the results, they are naturally going to be discredited (see Hwang Woo Suk).

What about the recent desktop fusion experiment published by the colorado guys in science? That was funded by government money.

Originally Posted by SilverKnight

There was an effort when electrodynamics and electromechanical science was just beginning in the 1920s to "lock down" this new science with big businesses. The U.S. goverment and the Patent Office helped. And still help today.

Absolutely incorrect. The government and universities are encouraging scientists (professors) to patent their work that is paid for by your tax dollars. Hundreds of professors have their own start-up companies that are supported by the IP that originated out of their own gov't-funded university labs, especially in the biotech and emerging nano-related fields.

Originally Posted by SilverKnight

Monolithic, centeralized power that restricts freedom is approved. Independent, decentralized, unlimited free electrical power that cannot be taxed continously is suppressed, bought up and buried, or ridiculed.

At this point, I need to ask you to define your concept of 'free energy'. In the thermodynamic (e.g perpetual motion machines), it is thought impossible by the establishment and you would be ridiculed (but not ignored, see above scientists) and it would probably take years to prove your theory (perhaps not accepted until post-humously). In the economical sense (e.g perhaps fusion), there are NO scientific laws or accepted philosophical norms that say this is impossible. Quite the contrary as e=mc^2 correctly predicts fusion outcomes.

[SilverKnight]

This is such a bunch of hogwash. If it really was true that other people have built the machine for themselves in order to prove its existence, then chances are that one of those people would have shared the plans on freenet by now.

No, because the NSA, the DoD, or a trans-national corporation bought the patent from the inventor, then slapped a "gag order" on the inventor. I will agree that we are all stuck "re-inventing the wheel" because of these tactics, and future inventors are often fought with existing patent law because they didn't know they were inventing something that had already been invented!

But the mainstream scientific community is also extremely resistant to new ideas that do not fit their own theories.

[SilverKnight]

The government and universities are encouraging scientists (professors) to patent their work that is paid for by your tax dollars.

But if that research is "black", i.e. for defense, then no one will hear about the progress or the results until national security deems it so. How else did the "stealth fighter" research start in the 1970s but we didn't see a plane until 1991? The press release showed the finished prototype, or an aircraft that had already been flying for a decade away from the media?

At this point, I need to ask you to define your concept of 'free energy'. In the thermodynamic (e.g perpetual motion machines), it is thought impossible by the establishment and you would be ridiculed (but not ignored, see above scientists) and it would probably take years to prove your theory (perhaps not accepted until post-humously). In the economical sense (e.g perhaps fusion), there are NO scientific laws or accepted philosophical norms that say this is impossible.

Electrical energy tapped from the electromagnetic zero-point field with a minimal (below 9V) input charge or no charge at all, that gives electrical power in a way qualified to run today's electrical machines. The source is not a typically "recognized" source, such as our boiling of water, solar, wind, or thermonuclear.

I want a black box that replaces the internal combustion engine in my car, making it a purely electrical vehicle that never needs recharging with no loss in performance. I want two black boxes in parallel or a bigger black box for my house that produces 200kWh a day, so I can cut the power company off and live "off the grid". I want an extremely small black box to replace each of my DC batteries so I never need to buy batteries in my lifetime again. All of this might be manufactured today, _if_ we had not squelched the science and the inventors back in the 1920s, and still do today.

[bigjon]

I have read a couple of James McCanney's books and everything he says in them make much more sense than the standard astrophysical theory has to say.

McCanney's flagship is "Comets are NOT dirty snowballs" and everything would indicate that he has it right, but the mainstream NASA "science" crowd, keeps right on hollering comets ARE dirty snowballs.

McCanney points out a number of things, that our establishment science doesn't want to give him credit for and just ignores the things he has written in peer reviewed journals published in the 70's and 80's. And they keep trying to incorporate his ideas as their own and call them something else.

He says the sun puts out far more electrical energy than light energy and this electrical energy creates something that he calls the "solar capacitor". This electrical energy flows all through the solar system and it governs our weather, by flowing from the ionosphere to the earth. He has proposed a system that would harness this energy by creating towers that emanate alternating fields thereby ionizing the air above until the ionized channel forms between the tower and the ionosphere. At this point the alternating field would be shut down, as direct current from the ionosphere began to flow. The resulting current flow would then be put through an inverter and converted to 60 cycle current to be put on the grid.

[Jasper]

Originally Posted by bigjon

I have read a couple of James McCanney's books and everything he says in them make much more sense than the standard astrophysical theory has to say.

McCanney's flagship is "Comets are NOT dirty snowballs" and everything would indicate that he has it right, but the mainstream NASA "science" crowd, keeps right on hollering comets ARE dirty snowballs.

Looks like he's right:

The Missing Water of Comet Tempel 1

"We have long suggested that, after Deep Impact, scientists would be scratching their heads over the lack of subsurface water—the last hope of the dirty snowball theory. Early results confirm this prediction."

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/20...cometwater.htm

[GOLD DUCK]

QWAK,Check out Telsa He did the ionisphere thing long ago and is also the reason we have AC for every day use today. When he died the GOVERNMENT shatched up all his papers and inventions. Westing house riped him off and he died a pauper!

the DUCK

[bigjon]

McCanney calls these towers, Tesla Towers and gives Tesla credit for the idea.



http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/


I am somewhat troubled by the idea that Tesla planned to use his tower to receive electrical energy. I read another book by Gerry Vaslilatos "secrets of cold war technology" where he described Tesla's tower as a device to radiate something that Tesla called "radiant energy", which is another form of electricity, that could be tapped into with a receiver of Tesla's design.

@Jasper

Wal Thornhill & Dave Talbot have "borrowed" many of McCanney's ideas, but fail to give credit to McCanney. Wal claims to be a physicist, but doesn't even have an undergraduate degree.

[GOLD DUCK]

Originally Posted by bigjon

McCanney calls these towers, Tesla Towers and gives Tesla credit for the idea.



http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/

QWAK,I believe what it realy comes down to is PRECONCIEVED PARADIGNS that people are reluctent to give up or change. They will defend them in any way that they can because no one wants to amit they were WRONG, especialy people and governments who have presented them selves to the public as EXPERTS. They realise that if people stop believing in them they are "TOASTED HAS BEENS" and worse, FOOLS who have mislead others at great expence! Some may be truely evial but most are just IGNORENT and greedy imposters living off of others even more IGNORENT!

the DUCK

[bigjon]

Deep Impact at Comet Tempel 1- When Numbers Do Not Lie - The Final Word - Sub Page

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/DeepImpactTheFinalWordSubPage.HTM

[chewy]

I see others here have some experiences with the corrupt legal/patent system. I was lucky in that I "only" lost 8k to lawyers before I said, "f**k it." Ended up my idea was stolen by a Japanese company, probably sold to them by criminal lawyers who screwed me. This was not a free energy thing it was a sporting goods product.

This elitest cabal on this planet is too psychopathic to allow decentralized free energy machines to exist. This is their main control mechanism on the world's people.