A KIND OF MIND CONTROL YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF

[gpond]

MARCH 23, 2005. Subscribers to my PREMIUM CONTENT know that my interviews posted there with Ellis Medavoy, retired propaganda mad genius for "the bad guys," are among the most explosive and revealing commentaries ever done on propaganda and PR.

I want to print a new interview with Ellis here on the free page, because it gives you a sense of what unique angles the man has on mind control. Mass mind control.

We also touch on the Terri Schiavo case.

Before we began, Ellis said, "You should know that I've been able to put all this together after reading your articles on STORY. Tell them that."

Q: You wanted to talk about mind control.

A: What else is there? It's what's happening.

Q: There's freedom, too.

A: Yeah, but to get there, you need to understand the other side of the coin. I want to take off from your recent articles on STORY. You've uncovered some very important information on how the mind works and how important STORY is in the scheme of things. We're always telling ourselves stories. Because of that, PR people can plug in and superimpose their own myths and tales---and then those false stories run right into our minds and we gobble them up and use them to decide what's real and what isn't. Everyone loves a good story that has drama and conflict and so on. PR uses that like crazy. PR is really an offshoot of organized religion. PR learned from religion, and learned from political tyrants who used organized religion to keep themselves in power. They all told stories.

Q: Major media are PR.

A: On all the important points, media are indistinguishable from PR. That's where I want to go. What happens when you read about a really hot event in the press, an event that has everyone up in arms?

Q: Like the Terri Schiavo case?

A: Yes. There are always facts that are kept out of it, right? Key facts that would change perception if they were included.

Q: Like the fact that Terri is conscious.

A: Right. If you enter that fact into the equation, the whole story changes. Everything changes. The bubble explodes.

Q: True.

A: Well, the people who are spinning this story want to tell it in a certain way, right? They want it to be about the right to live, the right to die, the expert doctors' opinions, the courts deliberating and so on. The tragedy for the family. They want it to be about the right of the federal government to interfere. Or not. All of that. But it's basically yet another step in a much larger agenda to get the public to believe in euthanasia. You could say it's another baby step in the direction of the Nazi agenda. Or more widely, the eugenics agenda. All that feeds into this story and the way it's being told. Right?

Q: Yeah.

A: But if the one fact you interjected---that Terri is conscious---became the major thing, the whopping big nasty thing that blew up in everyone's face, then what? Then the WAY THE STORY IS BEING TOLD would smash into a hundred pieces. The whole air would go out of that balloon. The story would suddenly be about something entirely different. So that one fact you mentioned has to be kept in the background. It has to be ruled out. If she's conscious, the whole diagnosis of Persistent Vegetative State [PVS] is wrong. And under no circumstances can she be killed. PVS is the legal basis on which she's being killed.

Q: I just posted a piece about this.

A: Okay. The point I want to make is, in every huge story that captures the public's attention through the press, there are ALWAYS key facts that are left out. Following me? And those key facts are left out and squashed for a purpose. Those facts would destroy the WAY THE STORY IS BEING TOLD. Right? I mean, people have to understand this. It's all about story, story that is being invented in a certain way and fed directly into the mind to achieve an aim. In order for that kind of mind control to happen, you have to omit key facts that would otherwise show the story is a fairy tale. The story is really a myth. It's a main principle of propaganda. Invent a story. People want stories. They're addicted to stories. PR IS story. Get that story fed into the mind. Tell it a certain way for a reason. Bury the key facts that would make the public doubt the way the story is being told.

Q: One story would be the Oklahoma bombing.

A: Yes. No way a truck with a bomb of any size could have caused the particular pattern of destruction that was laid on the Murrah Building on April 19, 1995. That's a fact. [See my book, Oklahoma Bombing: The Suppressed Truth, posted on PREMIUM CONTENT.] But if THAT simple fact about the truck bomb becomes wide public knowledge, the whole PR STORY about the bombing collapses. It does. It goes right down the drain. The AGENDA fails, too. The agenda, in part, was, DEVELOP GREAT SYMPATHY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. It was a government building. People were killed. Children were killed. The agenda needed a big story told in a certain way to accomplish its goal. If you get out there in a major way with HEY, THIS WAS A VERY SOPHISTICATED OPERATION DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE A TRUCK BOMB (THE COVER) AND IT WAS REALLY SPECIALISTS WHO PLANTED CHARGES ON THE INTERIOR COLUMNS...and so on, you're into QUITE ANOTHER STORY.

Q: What you're saying about PR stories and omitted key facts---we could go right down the line on major events. 9/11, AIDS, suppressed cancer cures, the war in Iraq, ADHD, pharmaceutical medicine. There are hundreds of these.

A: Exactly. And in each case the pattern is the same. Omit key facts SO A STORY CAN BE INVENTED AND FED DIRECTLY INTO THE MIND TO ACHIEVE AN AGENDA. With me so far?

Q: Yes.

A: Okay, now. As all these massive stories are invented and fed into the mind, the public has two basic reactions. The first reaction is to swallow the things whole. Mind control. Swallow the story, subliminally accept the agenda behind the story.

Q: What's the second reaction?

A: Doubt. A little bit of doubt around the edges. People get a slightly queasy feeling that something isn't right. This is not conscious, but at some level, lots and lots and lots of people are doubting the way the story is being presented and sold. They may not be able to identify the key facts that were left out, but on a feeling level, they are having a problem. Not maybe a huge problem, but a wiggle. A doubt. A question. A twitch. You sometimes see this reflected in polls that ask questions about confidence in media and confidence in government. When you ask the poll questions this way, you get huge percentages expressing doubt. People can't point to specifics, but they aren't really happy. They're weirded out. They sense these key facts in stories are being hidden from them. They sense that the PR story is wrong. And I want you to understand that I'm talking about the subconscious level here. That's important. Very important. At that level, which doesn't get expressed often, but is bottled up, something is going on. In fact, you can see most people responding to this bottled up situation that exists within themselves. Outwardly, they're very definite, too definite. They're taking sides on this issue and that issue, and they're oversimplifying everything---which is a sure sign that at some unconscious level they are confused and dissatisfied and pissed off and and in a muddle.

Q: Right. I know what you mean. Why is that important?

A: I'm getting to it. Hundreds and hundreds of these PR propaganda stories are entering the mind all the time, through the press. Through TV. Subconsciously, doubt and confusion are building up, because at that level, people know something is wrong. BUT PEOPLE FEEL THERE IS NO WAY TO EXPRESS THOSE SUBCONSCIOUS FEELINGS. It doesn't take a sophisticated Freudian analysis to realize this. It's PR 101. Fish are swimming below the surface of people's minds. That's all. And people don't really understand these fish, these feelings. They can't describe them. They pretend they aren't there---which makes the pressure build up even more. But there is no outlet for most people. How could there be? There is only ignorance and, underneath that, the doubt and the confusion and the anger and the rest of it. See? Now we come to the trump card. The million-dollar fact. The big one.

Q: Which is?

A: What do people do in a situation like this? No exit. No way out. No outlet to express those feelings. Pressure.

Q: Over time they become passive.

A: Bang. That's the big one. Most people just shut down. They see no other solution. The best thing to do is become passive. But there is one more thing. Review what I've been saying. WHAT ARE PEOPLE REALLY BECOMNG PASSIVE ABOUT? How does that mechanism work in practice? People are being fed these PR propaganda stories day after day after day. They recognize, on a subliminal level, that something is wrong. They're all bottled up. They opt for the only solution they can see themselves enacting: passivity. But what do they then become passive about? Do they just become passive about PR and propaganda? No. They can't really work with that. It's too specific. It doesn't, on a subconscious level, provide satisfaction to think, "I'm now going to be passive about propaganda." And most people still don't even recognize, in any significant way, that propaganda exists, is being intentionally shaped for them. That's too sophisticated. To recognize propaganda is probably going to shove you into ACTION. If you're going to become really PASSIVE, you want to pick something much more USEFUL to be passive about, because then you can sink into the mud. Way down there. You can really become a zero inside. Do you get this? A person who wants to surrender, give up, become passive, wants to be passive about something that is really going to shove him into a long sleep. That is the key. That is the sentence to engrave in stone. Even when we're on the verge of surrendering and throwing the towel in, we're smart enough to know we have to have some object we can pick out to be passive about. An object that is going to WORK, that is going to SEND US right down there into the bottom of the sea with the sleeping sand. And there is one thing. There is an object that fits perfectly with everything I've been spelling out. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Q: Yeah. I'm catching on.

A: BE PASSIVE ABOUT ALL STORIES. That's the magic key. If you can be passive and immune to ALL STORIES, you can become Passive. Because why? Because STORIES, MY FRIEND, AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT, ARE THE VERY LIFEBLOOD OF EXISTENCE. THEY'RE WHAT KEEP US GOING. You want to shut down and turn out all the lights? Become immune and passive to stories in general. Then you're there. You're a dead crab, a dead stone on the bottom of the ocean.

Q: After all, people are being fed these PR propaganda press stories all the time. So if they're building up pressure and anger and fear and confusion about THAT, they have a very handy target right there.

A: Precisely. "I just hate these damn stories. Stories are what get me into a state where I feel weird. The hell with stories."

Q: All stories.

A: All stories. And with that, they've cut themselves off from the energy and the lifeblood that makes life worth living. Which is the definition of passivity.

Q: And the final kicker is? I see it. I'll let you tell it.

A: After that point, after they've crossed that hellish line, THEY CAN'T TELL STORIES OF THEIR OWN ANYMORE.

Q: And THAT is the final effect stemming from all these stories coming into them from the press---all that PR and propaganda.

A: Yeah. And as you've been pointing out in your articles, stories told by us create our lives. We're living out the stories we've told ourselves. You want a new life, tell a new story. Stories are the engines we use to invent new lives. Stories create civilizations.

Q: Are you saying that the overall impact of media is the SOLE reason people decide, ultimately, to reject all stories and tell no new stories?

A: No, but it sure as hell helps. And at the highest levels of power and control---by which I mean the people who direct the real course of history---and I'm not just talking about Earth history---there is the knowledge that, if you can get people to stop telling new and great stories, you have them. They're yours. Knowing that, you can develop plans toward achieving that end. You can tip the scales. You can work ops that are very concealed, that have smaller and more obvious objectives. But all the while, you're working toward this one thing: get people to stop telling themselves new and great stories. That's the final secret of ALL control. Why? Because it's aimed at the core of what we are all about. This is what I would call UNIVERSAL MIND CONTROL.

end of interview

This interview forms yet one more piece of background for my upcoming PARANORMAL WRITING PROJECT. The workshop is nearly completely designed, and quite soon I'll be posting the details. More than you know, I thank you for your support. The research leading to this interview, and leading to my recent articles on STORY, the paranormal, the space-time continuum, and imagination, has been a long time coming. Forty years have passed since I first picked up a book by Wilhelm Reich in New York and thought to myself, "Things are REALLY not what they seem." Forty-three years have passed since the day I did my first painting in the kitchen of an apartment around the corner from the Guggenheim Museum in New York, and realized that things could be quite, quite amazing, if I invented and just kept on inventing. If you want to take a further step in terms of assistance, signing up as a subscriber to PREMIUM CONTENT would help a great, great deal.

JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com

[Large Sarge]

Very interesting!
Thanks

[GREENSILVERHORN]

I find the best way to avoid this type of mind control, is to listen to words and music that are contrarian.

Murder
Some of them standing, some were waiting in the line
As if there was something that they thought they might find
Taking some strength from the feelings that always were shared
And in the background, the eyes that just stared

What was it brought you out here in the dark?
Was it your only way of making your mark
Did you get rid of all the voices in your head?
Do you now miss them and the things that they said?

On your own admission you raised up the knife
And you brought it down ending another man's life
When it was done you just threw down the blade
While the red blood spread wider like the anger you made

I don't want this anger that's burning in me
It's something from which it's so hard to be free
But none of the tears that we cry in sorrow or rage
Can make any difference, or turn back the page

David Gilmour

[Prometheus]

At some point people wake up. For me it was watching the Waco fires on TV in the firehouse and the instant realization "They burnt all those children alive"

Think about this... Me a very young staunch republican
, pro-cop, pro-.gov (except democrats) pro-feds believing everything that came from hush bimbos mouth....

I was rooting for the feds to storm the building (and win)...

Kicking back in the lazy boy with all the 3 other guys on my crew, fresh out of NFPA firefighter 2 and company commander classes that year, also just a week after taking the 'structural firefighting, building and engineering' class (I was just completing my fire science degree) and seeing this travesty unfold.

It was like I was hit by a 2x4. I said outloud (not knowing it) "Oh my God, they are burning them alive!" The others in the room didn't get what i meant but laughed in jokingly "sure looks that way" "What a bunch of idiots" blah blah blah... They knew what they were seeing, knew what was being done... they just didn't connect the dots that it had to have been on purpose.

I never looked at anything the same again and I never will. My eyes opened wide and have never shut. Just like with OKC bombing, there was no way a truck did that.

[Jasper]

Great stuff! Thanks! It helps explain something that has bugged me for years -- the awful passivity we see everywhere. Why do so many people just not seem to care about anything anymore? Now we know.

AMERICA'S EPITAPH: They didn't care.

:frown:

[onepence]

if you ever do decide to tell
some new and great stories
don't expect any help from the masses
in fact you can count on "the gang" to amass and try to beat ya down

oneness
dh

[Large Sarge]

Waco disturbed me also, very very tragic...

those kids burned to death....

[bigjon]

Yep, Waco, was my wake up call, too. F'n bastards.

[gpond]

I saw the FLIR tape. They were being fired upon even as the fire was burning, preventing their escape or surrender.

Remember the media drum-beat? "It's costing the American taxpayer a million dollars a day to maintain the standoff. That child abuser is probably in their abusing those kids."

The story never did smell right. The FLIR imaging is conclusive as to what happened at the end.

[Halophyte]

Ruby Ridge is what did it for me.

Lost my faith in terrorcrats.

.

[Ponce Cuba]

What pisses me of is that the FBI lied about not shooting at the back of the compound and the infrared film cleary shows them firing a hailstorm into the compound......before that I had a lot of respect for the FBIBG.

[gpond]

Originally Posted by Ponce Cuba

What pisses me of is that the FBI lied about not shooting at the back of the compound and the infrared film cleary shows them firing a hailstorm into the compound......before that I had a lot of respect for the FBIBG.

Then they claimed the gunfire was merely broken glass sparkling -- or some such nonsense. Oh dear.

[AMforPM]

Waco was my wake up call too. It was the first assault that exploded in me. And I was a slumbering Dem, so likely to not mind Ruby Ridge and Waco so much. But I minded a lot! Military style assault on a building with American children inside went off like a siren and I have looked at nothing the same since.

I don't know the way out, but the tv is off, no more force feeding garbage into my mind via tv at least. And it is a very hopeful thing that more and more Americans are waking up.

I now consider the whole political party thing to be a script too, to divide us up against ourselves like some pep rally or 2 team playoff.

[GoldWampum]

First, great read. Thanks Pond.

Like Halo, Ruby Ridge was my wake up call. Then I remember the day they stormed Waco and it made my stomach turn.

The Oklahoma bombing story never made any sense to me either.

I'm not passive at least. I don't know where it all leads but these phony events and stories energize me.

I don't want no avian flu shot.

[uranian]

more a bump than anything else, hadn't read this thread before (viewing the subforum in most viewed order), and that's a great article.

[MAGNES]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

At some point people wake up. For me it was watching the Waco fires on TV in the firehouse and the instant realization "They burnt all those children alive"

and then those same people

Clinton, Clark, burned Serbia and gave muslims
a terrorist base in the Balkans, then we got 9/11, Madrid, and UK7/7 all with strong ties to the Balkan Muslim Terrorist Base, Osama and Atta have Bosnian passports.

Perle and Feith gave us IraqII and now Iran,
they personally armed muslims in the Balkans and
made money too, from Clinton to Bush same people involved.
Feith and Zell Lawfirm operating out of Israel.
They even support the Chechens in various ways.

All of this is documented.

I got to put something together, have to dig for the links.
A few people asked me to. I will do it.

Bottom line the same people burned many with impunity and no accountability.

[aikitrader]

Who knows what this song lyrics is about?

The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
We dont need no water let the mother****er burn
Burn mother****er burn

[keehah]

Thanks for the bump. Finding some good links from it. Here is the start of another of John's talks: http://www.nlp-mindcontrol.com/cia_c...nd_control.htm

Today we are going to hear from investigative journalist Jon Rappoport give a talk entitled The CIA, Mind Control, and Children about the CIA’s use of children for creating mind control agents. Author of U.S. Government Mind Control Experiments on Children, he talks about the impact of the mind control testimony submitted to the Presidential hearings on radiation experiments. Jon also speaks about the mindset of those responsible for these horrors and the implications to society.

John Rappoport:

We are going to launch into this subject, but with a few comments before we start. Mind control is one of those things people don’t like to talk about, including yours truly frankly. I got into it, and I saw the evidence, and it was ... you know, there it was.

[ MKULTRA, ARTICHOKE, And BLUEBIRD Secret Mind Control Projects ]

Officially MKULTRA was a CIA mind control project that lasted about 10 years ... let’s say from 1952 to 1962-63 ... Before it started, there was ARTICHOKE AND BLUEBIRD ... those were other CIA mind control projects. After it ended, supposedly in 1963, an office called ORD Office of Research and Development took it over. Their job we don’t know about ... we are not sure of everything they did because that information is not available. It is in 130 boxes of material somewhere ... maybe in Langley, Virginia but they won’t release it. Various people have said that they employed more sophisticated measures than MKULTRA to do mind control on people.

[ Mind Control, Secret Societies And Death Cult ]

I think one of the reasons that this is such an important subject is because we are looking at people here who have a certain attitude about life itself, and these people are in the government and they are in important positions in the government ... and in order to understand what they are really about, we get a look at them that is unprecedented by looking at what they did with this kind of experimentation on humans. In other words, they hate life. That’s pretty clear. They have their own version of life, which is like “death” and that’s where their life is ... that’s what they feed off of. I would say that most, if not all, secret societies are based on the same concept. Once you cut through all the paraphenalia and symbology of secret societies, you are basically dealing with people who have, for one reason or another, given up on life completely. They are now into the form of life that is involved with death ... that’s their territory. And it’s a pretty horrendous thing to say, but I think that would be borne out. My own feeling is that we are talking about a confluence of different influences here on individuals that go back a long way into the past ... into the history of families in which they grew up ... I am talking about long term history of what those families are ... and these people who are entirely functional, but entirely psychotic if you want to use that term. It doesn’t really do it justice but it tells you something about them. I am talking about John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles ... I would say they are very good examples. Look at their faces ... look at what you see there ... you see almost nothing. There is a kind of mask-like quality about these people, an emptiness — very competent people who go about their business, who seem to have no feeling or “juice” for life. And I would say these people are often born into families who go back centuries possibly in that kind of disconnected condition from life. While they are able to function very successfully in society and deal with power, because that is their ticket and their coinage, they find that control and destruction of life is the only thing really that gives them life.

[ Mind Control Wish And Destructive Drive ]

Since I have read this information that I will be sharing with you tonight, I am beginning to come to the conclusion that the people who were involved in the nuclear weapons scenario really wanted to destroy the world. It may seem obvious to say but they see that as “liberation” if you can wrap your mind around that ... as a release from, what they consider to be an oppressive situation that just simply can’t be tolerated. They see destruction as liberation and so the only thing that would hold them back, I think, from destroying the world is the feeling that they may not have the playground left in which to enact their scenarios of destruction. There would only be one, and that would be the explosion that would take care of the planet. ...

Henry Makow : ...In addition, many aristocrats belong to the "British Israel" Movement that believes the British soveriegn is the head of the Anglo Saxon "Lost Tribes" of Israel and that the Apocalypse will see the full reconstitution of the British Empire....

According to Barbara Aho , Rosicrucians and Freemasons, who believe in British Israelism, have a plan to place one of their bloodline on the throne of the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. This positioning of a false messiah whom the world will worship as Christ has been carefully planned and executed over many centuries. http://www.savethemales.ca/000447.html

For thousands of years, prophets have predicted the end of the world. Today, various religious groups, using the latest technology, are trying to hasten it.

Their endgame is to speed the promised arrival of a messiah.

For some Christians this means laying the groundwork for Armageddon.

With that goal in mind, mega-church pastors recently met in Inglewood to polish strategies for using global communications and aircraft to transport missionaries to fulfill the Great Commission: to make every person on Earth aware of Jesus' message. Doing so, they believe, will bring about the end, perhaps within two decades.

In Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a far different vision. As mayor of Tehran in 2004, he spent millions on improvements to make the city more welcoming for the return of a Muslim messiah known as the Mahdi, according to a recent report by the American Foreign Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank.

To the majority of Shiites, the Mahdi was the last of the prophet Muhammad's true heirs, his 12 righteous descendants chosen by God to lead the faithful.

Ahmadinejad hopes to welcome the Mahdi to Tehran within two years.

Conversely, some Jewish groups in Jerusalem hope to clear the path for their own messiah by rebuilding a temple on a site now occupied by one of Islam's holiest shrines.

Artisans have re-created priestly robes of white linen, gem-studded breastplates, silver trumpets and solid-gold menorahs to be used in the Holy Temple — along with two 6½-ton marble cornerstones for the building's foundation.

Then there is Clyde Lott, a Mississippi revivalist preacher and cattle rancher. He is trying to raise a unique herd of red heifers to satisfy an obscure injunction in the Book of Numbers: the sacrifice of a blemish-free red heifer for purification rituals needed to pave the way for the messiah.

So far, only one of his cows has been verified by rabbis as worthy, meaning they failed to turn up even three white or black hairs on the animal's body.

Linking these efforts is a belief that modern technologies and global communications have made it possible to induce completion of God's plan within this generation.
http://www.mindfully.org/Technology/...ous22jun06.htm