9/11 Hit Piece Belittles Truth Movement

[Paranoid Pariah]

http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72254,6.html

You may have seen this article written by Jarrett Murphy who likes to spend his time analyzing and documenting the many facets of the so-called 911 Truth Movement. This is obviously a coy attempt to juxtapose many of the theories out there in a way that portrays them as disjointed and wacky. Sprinkled throughout this article are all the little patronizing comments like, "it's common sense, what goes up, must come down". He is painting these patriotic American's as dark players in a dissident underworld who meet in seedy basements, clinging tightly to thir 911 literature like a bible banger does his leather bound gospel. Notice his quick a subtle tie in with Neo Nazis. This guy peeves the hell out of me.

I think we all need to agree that the no one who is in this 9/11 Questioning Community (beats Truth Movement) is on trial and no one needs to PROVE a damn thing about anything. Theories are just there to raise questions. I would prefer if they were called hypotheses instead of theories. A hypothesis is at least put out there with the intention of being questioned to see if it holds up to scrutiny. If it does, it can be rendered more of a working theory. If it doesn't, then no harm...on to the next. This is the science of truth. Working through many possibilities. This is how we arrive at any conclusion in science or otherwise. The real burden of proof should fall upon the shoulders of those who expect us to believe a kamikaze pigeon with indigestion could drop a rhino to it's knees.

Anyway, don't mean to start ranting. Hope some others have thoughts on this.

P.P.

[gpond]

"The 9/11 Truth Movement" label is a "movement" to label anyone who doubts the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory as a lunatic.

I mean it is a movement by media and TPTB(?) to create a meme, an entity, named "The 9/11 Truth Movement" who believes in all kinds of crazy things.

That way, anyone who questions the government line, can be mentally brushed away as some kind of radical, wacko. "Oh, that's just one of those The 9/11 Truth Movement people."

Once labeled, like cult members, anarchists, conspiracy theorists, THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT will be marginalized. Anyway, this is how I see this "label" that is being created moving forward in the "national psyche."

You just watch. You will see what I mean.

[hoarder]

Village Voice = Zionist Voice. Just like 98% of the media.

Notice his quick a subtle tie in with Neo Nazis.

Anyone who questions the OJV is a "nazi"

[TheKingsSon]

Originally Posted by gpond

"The 9/11 Truth Movement" label is a "movement" to label anyone who doubts the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory as a lunatic.

I mean it is a movement by media and TPTB(?) to create a meme, an entity, named "The 9/11 Truth Movement" who believes in all kinds of crazy things.

That way, anyone who questions the government line, can be mentally brushed away as some kind of radical, wacko. "Oh, that's just one of those The 9/11 Truth Movement people."

Once labeled, like cult members, anarchists, conspiracy theorists, THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT will be marginalized. Anyway, this is how I see this "label" that is being created moving forward in the "national psyche."

You just watch. You will see what I mean.

In the world of Christianity... those labeled as far out, wackos, lunatic fringe, etc crowd are the King James ONLY crowd. I know, I'm one of them.

This is a typical tactic, been around for thousands of years.

[gpond]

Originally Posted by TheKingsSon

In the world of Christianity... those labeled as far out, wackos, lunatic fringe, etc crowd are the King James ONLY crowd. I know, I'm one of them.

This is a typical tactic, been around for thousands of years.

I wish I didn't see this "media event" coming a mile away.

[Paranoid Pariah]

Originally Posted by gpond

I mean it is a movement by media and TPTB(?) to create a meme, an entity, named "The 9/11 Truth Movement" who believes in all kinds of crazy things.

I agree with that...

Rhetoric warps reality.

Propaganda creates memes and axioms which provide ammunition for the headline hitmen. It's a method of semantic dehumanization.

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—” George W. Bush

“Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise” - Adolph Hilter

See how I juxtaposed those two quotes together? That's more cognitive propaganda than semantic. This is a tactic used by both sides. I'll have to admit, I do see just as much propaganda spewed from the so called Truth side as well. Can't blame 'em though...we are all students of it. Takes a sharp blade of reason to dissect it all!!!

[Blue_pill_envy]

“I think we all need to agree that no one who is in this 9/11 Questioning Community (beats Truth Movement) is on trial and no one needs to PROVE a damn thing about anything.”

Absolutely agree.

That cop out has been there from the very beginning. It’s always fascinated me……. along with giving me a splitting headache. A couple of comments here…..a question or two there……and pretty soon you’re talking about 911. Then, the “so who did it?” thing gets thrown out there……and because you’re honest enough to say “I don’t know”…...the conversation is over. All of a sudden, the questions become irrelevant. It’s like they’re refusing to buy a book because the last 5 chapters haven’t been written yet. In some cases, they even get angry, because…… in their minds, you’re the SOB that deleted those pages from the book that they where just starting to find interesting. It is absolutely a thing to behold. I mean…why the f%#* should I have to explain the actions of psychopathic lunatics? It’s a programmed response. I have no idea where it comes from, but I always see it.

As far as the article is concerned, I’m floored by the amount of information that it contains. I consider the Village Voice to be basically mainstream. I’m not familiar with the author, and I don’t know if there’s some hidden agenda here (although I give a lot of weight to the above comments), but getting this amount of info into a Village Voice article can’t be all bad. Anyone that thought about checking into 911, but didn’t know where to begin, now has about 20 places to start. Thanks for the article.


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[wrs]

Particularly Collapse Conjecture, alliterations are always eye catchers...............

[gpond]

Pod People.

[Halophyte]

Originally Posted by wrs

Particularly Collapse Conjecture, alliterations are always eye catchers...............

For those who may think no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

Walter P. Murphy Professor of
Civil Engineering and Materials Science
Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur?

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).

That means it's not just a document, book, web site or calculation on a forum. It's had to pass critical review by other engineering Professors.

I know there are CT sites which attack this paper but not one person has yet to disprove it's hypothesis professionally. There are still people attacking the theory of evolution. Anyone can attack, not many can produce a paper to back it up. Just as there is no "Theory of intelligent design" except in christian web sites there are no alternatives to this paper other than in CT sites and books.

Below is the list of people who peer reviewed the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

The paper... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

http://www.pubs.asce.org/journals/edem.html

Editor:
Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Boulder
corotis@colorado.edu

Editorial Board:
Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma
Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts
Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego
Henri Gavin, Duke University
Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota
Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology
Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan
Nicos Makris, University of Patras
Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary
Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago
Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology
Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation
George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University
Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado
Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee
Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair
James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE
Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE
Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact

Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee
Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair
James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE
Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE
Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE
Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact

Journal of Engineering Mechanics http://scitation.aip.org/emo/

Doc Jones didn't make the list ... he won't challenge it either....

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[PatColo]

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Originally Posted by PatColo

www.WTC7.net

@Halo,

Could you please remind the lurking masses why you don't put your Big League Engineering Skills (BS for short) to work in collecting your

MILLION BUCKS???


www.WTC7.net

Let's imagine that your concern with channeling your valuable engineering time towards more industrious use as outlined above, is due to your concern that Walters/reopen911.org may welch on their proposal (a scenario we have some experience with around here!).

Let's imagine you're fixated on defending the Official 911 Conspiracy Theory purely out of academic pride.

In this case, why don't you devote your labors to publicly critiquing such peer reviewed academic works as :

- Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
by Steven E. Jones, Ph.D.

- The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.

- Thinking about "Conspiracy Theories": 9/11 and JFK
by James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.


www.WTC7.net

And lastly Halo,

I've noticed that your thorough & exhaustive assessment of the reason(s) for the abrupt, symetrical, free-fall-speed collapse of the 47 story steel-framed HOUSE OF SPOOKS, AKA WTC-7, on 9/11 afternoon, perfectly agrees with the similarly thorough & exhaustive assessment of WTC-7's collapse by the Zelikow 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report.

As we're all aware, the Zelilkow 9/11 Report duly gives taxpayers the fullest possible accounting of the events of 9/11. So the fact that your assessment of the strange collapse of the House Of Spooks (WTC-7) agrees so perfectly with the assessment of same by this utterly thorough, landmark/definitive gummit report on 9/11... is cause for kudos to you.


www.WTC7.net

But I must ask:

Did YOU get YOUR WTC-7 assessment directly from the Zelikow Commission Report, or did THEY get THEIR WTC-7 assessment directly from YOU??


www.WTC7.net

[Halophyte]

Patty - @Halo,

Could you please remind the lurking masses why you don't put your Big League Engineering Skills (BS for short) to work in collecting your


@PatColo

I take it that the study is a bit too much for your belief system.

It doesn't feel that good ?

Just say no to CTs.



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[Large Sarge]

Originally Posted by Halophyte

Doc Jones didn't make the list ... he won't challenge it either....

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Did you even ask him? I seriously doubt that....

just like the last piece of dis-info you dug up, I asked Doc Jones about it, and he said "I already debiunked that"

and once again your theory never resolves Free fall, Massive amounts of melted/vaporized steel...

[Halophyte]

Originally Posted by Large Sarge

Did you even ask him? I seriously doubt that....

Why don't you approach him.

He's YOUR CT guru, not mine.

Originally Posted by Large Sarge

just like the last piece of dis-info you dug up, I asked Doc Jones about it, and he said "I already debiunked that"...

He has spoken ... !!!

Not this .... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

Originally Posted by Large Sarge

and once again your theory never resolves Free fall, Massive amounts of melted/vaporized steel...

Not my theory, a peer reviewed engineering study. Right here buddy.

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf


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He's a cold fusion nut.

[Teslaairgap]

The WTC was a collection of small beams.
Fitted together by tabs, well thats what it looked like when it fell apart.

The PAN AM onboard bomb resulted in boarding checks.

But after the WTC 1993 bombing no checks were given to groups
going to flight schools or taking expensive first class rides or any tracking
of questionable groups far as the news says.

Didn't Cold Fusion hit the news years back and Mr. Lyne was involved.

The best I can gather from present reading of his in which he mentions
separation a diatomic molecule hydrogen using a certain amount of energy
and when hydorgen recombines by itself, it absorbs more energy than it
took to separate.

Now wouldn't an engine freeze up using this cycle.

This must be one of his hidden science facts, I might have it wrong though.

Its a recombination not a fusion.
__________________

I think he said to use tungsten amalgam and not to listen to outsiders.

I can find his quotes if interested. Its W. R. Lyne not the doctor that
might show up on web searches.

[slvrbugjim]

Originally Posted by Halophyte

For those who may think no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

Walter P. Murphy Professor of
Civil Engineering and Materials Science
Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur?

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE

Bla Bla Bla

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You are a government shill, You are here to protect the very people that murdered those on 911, you are an absolute disgrace, you will burn in Hell You SOB. YOu Can go to hell, you murderous satanic
SOB/

You admit that you work for the government, and as we see in you last post, you defend this crap, to hell with you,,

[slvrbugjim]

Hey sorry for the rant, but when I see True Evil I do like to speak out and this guy is Truly evil beyond belief.

[hoarder]

Originally Posted by slvrbugjim

Hey sorry for the rant, but when I see True Evil I do like to speak out and this guy is Truly evil beyond belief.

No, Halophyte is not evil. His skull might be a little thick on this issue but he's OK. If you think he's wrong, prove it.

[Nailbender]

Originally Posted by slvrbugjim

You are a government shill, You are here to protect the very people that murdered those on 911, you are an absolute disgrace, you will burn in Hell You SOB. YOu Can go to hell, you murderous satanic
SOB/

You admit that you work for the government, and as we see in you last post, you defend this crap, to hell with you,,

Not good mon

[gpond]

Originally Posted by slvrbugjim

Hey sorry for the rant, but when I see True Evil I do like to speak out and this guy is Truly evil beyond belief.

slvrbugjim,
Personal attacks are not allowed. You went too far in this thread. I have done it too. Let's try to pull back on the throttle a little, eh?

Thanks,
gpond