9/11 for dummies - The Five Basic Facts, , by Matt Marriott

[MattMarriott]

1. There was no plane debris at the Pentagon. .
Cover-up: none. "Witnesses" and an old piece of metal was the package used to make sure that people get the message "It was an inside job", as part of the truth planted to terrorise you.
Web of disinformation: some (rense, whatreallyhappened.com, etc) go as far as to try to cover-up what was meant to be obvious, since that helps people to swallow the core lie.

2. There was no plane debris at Shanksville.
Cover up: live videos of first images on the scene never shown again; packaging it to let the web of disinformation continue the job.
Web of disinformation: suggesting the plane was shot down.
BTW, first Video footage at the scene
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc

3. The WTC towers were pulled.
Cover up: live footage only from close-up scenes (smoke, people running away); no live videos with global view on 9/11 or ever after.
Hoax: faked photos released short after, with WTC tower above "impact" tilting.
Web of disinformation: will not deny it, since is not important to make people swallow the core lie.
BTW, here is finally video of the first tower as it was demolished:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk

4. No planes ever hit the WTC towers. The simple truth, the other side of the coin being the core lie: we saw the second "impact" live. As long as people believe it, the BIG LIE technique will work.
Hoax: CNN inserts the second "plane" with real time software, disappearing behind the burning tower, one second before the "impact", i.e. the bombs are detonated. Faked photos and videos, most released short after, with frontal "plane" crashes.
Cover-up: no live videos, no videos ever after, exposing the core lie.
Web of disinformation: all sorts of false tracks, from remote controlled planes to holograms. Anything as long as people believe that CNN had nothing to do with it.
BTW, the previous video also exposes the core lie, showing why the second tower to be "hit" had to be pulled first.

5. Some people were previously murdered to accont for the "passengers".
Hoax: "passengers" were faked, previously murdered (Barbara Olson) or given new identities; family members reporting cell phone calls to these "passengers". In the case of real people, two cases, depending if they were offered an opportunity to get rid of someone (Ted Olson) or not.
Cover-up: family members evaporate, other than those part of the conspiracy.

Again: understanding the core lie was not required to see that "Reichstag Fire = 9/11". Any of the first three facts were enough for that. The first ever since day one.

[Didga]

Matt, I have told you this before but you are completely mad

Just insane, see a witch doctor

No planes ever hit the WTC towers

If this was true then all the tourist cameras and others that caught the second hit would be fake, literally hundreds and all the witnesses as well, just mad.

Some people were previously murdered to account for the "passengers".

Maybe, some of the passengers were intel agency employees just playing a role and some were innocent people unlucky enough to be terminated (for effect) but not all the passenger were fakes or agents.

[crazychicken]

As far as "no planes hit WTC". I was there, and have a picture of one of my trucks parked next to one of the landing gear.

Free country to say what you want, and believe what you want.

I say you need to have your meds checked.

[KingTheoden]

Airliners DID hit the World Trade Center. They were not alien space ships, they were not holograms, and they were not digital insertations. Airplanes DID hit the WTC because I can think of 40 people off the top of my head who were a few blocks downtown who saw and heard the second plane.

Plane debris WAS recovered in Pennsylvania albeit over a twenty mile area.

By coming out with absolutely rediculous suggestions, the conspiracy movement is colored as a whole. Everyone then begins to link genuine researchers with tinfoil brigades. Matt, I do not know what your deal is but you seem to be a disinfo artist because you know damn well that airplanes hit those buildings. Now, whether or not they were commuter jets or government planes meant to look like the commuter jets, that is something that can be debated. But to suggest that CNN digitally inserted the second plane in the video is like me demanding that everyone believes that Ronald Reagan was actually a robot. It has NO basis in any rational line of thinking.

[RealityCheck]

No debris?

http://img482.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ntagonc3xr.jpg



The no plane/no debris theories are the cruelest 9/11 hoax. There are tons of photos of wreckage, they are just intentionally left out by the hoaxers.

[silverbullet]

I addressed this once before. I was at the Shanksville site less than 2 hours after impact as part of the law enforcement response to secure the scene. It WAS a plane, and it did have people on it. I'm not going to argue what kind of plane, or who the bodies were, or any of that crap, because I have no first hand knowledge of that. I only know what has been released by those higher up the food chain, which is public record. Believe what you want, I have my own experience to rely on. The following are the 2 facts that are not debatable.

1. An airplane did in fact come down at Shanksville. It broke in to a bazillion tiny pieces upon impact, but there were pieces that could still be identified as parts of a plane.

2. There were human bodies on the plane when it came down. They suffered much the same fate as the plane. There weren't very many big pieces left, but there were bits and pieces of human flesh found everywhere imaginable. Not a whole lot biggger than a human finger. I apologize if this is read by anyone who had loved ones on that plane. It's a visual image you don't need reminded of. But for someone to deny that it ever happened is completely assinine. That much is not up for debate.

[Blue_pill_envy]

Originally Posted by silverbullet

I addressed this once before. I was at the Shanksville site less than 2 hours after impact as part of the law enforcement response to secure the scene. It WAS a plane, and it did have people on it. I'm not going to argue what kind of plane, or who the bodies were, or any of that crap, because I have no first hand knowledge of that. I only know what has been released by those higher up the food chain, which is public record. Believe what you want, I have my own experience to rely on. The following are the 2 facts that are not debatable.

1. An airplane did in fact come down at Shanksville. It broke in to a bazillion tiny pieces upon impact, but there were pieces that could still be identified as parts of a plane.

2. There were human bodies on the plane when it came down. They suffered much the same fate as the plane. There weren't very many big pieces left, but there were bits and pieces of human flesh found everywhere imaginable. Not a whole lot biggger than a human finger. I apologize if this is read by anyone who had loved ones on that plane. It's a visual image you don't need reminded of. But for someone to deny that it ever happened is completely assinine. That much is not up for debate.

Why do you think the coroner, in charge of that site, couldn’t find any bodies…..or blood?

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[mozkill]

none of those things are true. if NONE out of 5 of your conspiracy theories have been validated then that means the government has a 100% success rate at fooling the people. this is highly unlikely. also, there are many other conspiracy theories abounding, all of which have yet to be validated and the governments success rate of fooling us on those is also 100%.

how is this possible? simple answer: everything is probably the truth

only God himself could have a success rate like this.

[silverbullet]

Fifty,
Glad to hear you're not outright calling me a liar. We I say it's "not up for debate", I mean by me. I will not debate the issue with anyone. I know what I saw, and trying to debate it or explain it to some of the conspiracy theorists is a waste of my time and energy. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions and believe whatever theory they choose.

[thorgrim]

silverbullet

since you were there let me ask you a question

how spread out was the wreckage?

[Halophyte]

silverbullet

since you were there let me ask you a question

do you normally get pelted by moronic questions or is it just here at GIM ?

[silverbullet]

Halophyte,
In my line of work, someone always has a question. I don't consider any of them "moronic"...some I just choose not to answer because they're inappropriate.

Thorgrim,
I can tell you that we initially set up a perimeter about 1/4 mile
(400 yds +/-) from the impact, due to limited manpower. We kept moving it outwards as we got assistance and realized "there's more 'stuff' still behind us". The main debris field easily filled that initial 1/4 mile perimeter. Probably a lot more. A lot of small, light stuff that was thrown high into the air (paper, foam from cushions, etc) drifted downwind another 1/4 - 1/2 mile. Some was probably blown even further by wind/weather in the days after the event. I heard that a large section of the tail was found about two miles from the site, but I have no personal confirmation of that. It was just a rumor going around.

Blue_pill
I haven't kept up with the news of this incident specifically, but where did you get the info that no bodies or blood was found? I will agree that I saw no complete bodies, or anything that would even be identifyable to the eye as "human", but there was quite a bit of tissue evident. The last I was aware of, the coroner had positively identified 34 of the passengers on the flight through DNA. He must have recovered something to use for comparison.

[KingTheoden]

SilverBullet- I greatly appreciate your insights and first-hand account of what happened in Pennsylvania. I am not going to get into the 'conspiracy' type questions because I think you have made clear that you choose not to go there and I respect that choice. I am curious however, is it true that the debris field of Flight 93 was strewn across several miles asI have seen in some reports or really just a mile or so?

[mv_eric]

MattMarriott is posting a lot of disinformation. Look at the following for well documented info.

There are 4 levels of belief in Bush's 911 story:
1. Swallow Bush account whole hog.
2. Swallow Bush 911 account, but believe admin. misused it to start wars.
3. Bush admin. Let It Happen On Purpose (LIHOP).
4. Bush admin. Made It Happen On Purpose (MIHOP).
I'm a MIHOP guy.

Here are some of the links I mentioned. This is not complete but it lays out
some of the problems with the official conspiracy theory, i.e. that 19 Arabs
did the whole thing. The main thing that strikes me is the impossibility of the
official explanation of the WTC collapses. As Sherlock Holmes says: When you
eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable it seems, is the
truth.

Cui bono - Bush popularity numbers went from 40% to over 90% in 2 months.
Defense spending went up tremendously, Bush executive power went up
tremendously. Support for Afghanistan and Iraq wars suddenly appeared.

From Wikipedia: Cui bono ("Good for whom?", or "Who benefits?") is a Latin
adage which means that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be
found amongst those who have something to gain, perhaps financially. Although
the principle is useful in criminal investigations, the party with the most to
gain may not always be obvious, or the guilty party may distract attention by
diverting attention on to a scapegoat.

BBC: Hijack suspects alive and well:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm

Steven Jones, BYU Physics Prof:
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

NY Times: Tape of Air Traffic Controllers Made on 9/11 Was Destroyed:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...archive:search?

Here's the Neo-cons position paper. They call for Star Wars and Middle East
War.
Project for a New American Century, search for "Pearl Harbor":
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf

Blocking the investigation, Fire Engineering Magazine:
http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Artic...&VERSION_NUM=1

WTC designed to survive multiple airliner crashes.
Video of WTC construction manager interview, Jan 2001:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...gnedtotake.htm

Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics! (funny):
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/mslp_i.htm

The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training:
http://www.physics911.net/sagadevan.htm

Very well researched journalism site,
Project Censored, Unanswered Questions of 9/11:
911 Prewarnings, Building 7 Collapse, Flight 77 and the Pentagon, Israeli
Involvement, United Airlines Put-options, War Games, Atta and the $100,000
http://www.projectcensored.org/newsf...tions_911.html

I have more, but this is a good selection.

[Blue_pill_envy]

I wasn’t there that day, and I certainly respect the thoughts and emotions of anyone that was there. All any of the rest of us can do is go by news quotes and photos that are supplied…..and I would be the first to agree that there is contradictory information at all 3 sites.

Somerset County Coroner , Wallace Miller was one of the first to respond to the scene on 911.
From the Washington Post: 5/12/2002
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."

From an interview with Miller one year after 911….from The Pittsburg Tribune
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...b/s_90823.html

He [Miller] takes off his glasses, cleans them with his T-shirt. "This is the most eerie thing," he says. "I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."

The Mayor of Shanksville Ernie Stull was interviewed on 911….he said
Ernie Stull:

”Yes–my sister and a good friend of mine were the first ones here. They were standing on a street corner in Shanksville talking. Their car was nearby, so they were the first here–and the fire department came. Everyone was puzzled, because the call had been that a plane had crashed. But there was no plane… “

[question] They had been sent here because of a crash but there was no plane?

Ernie Stull:

“No. Nothing . Only this hole.”

[question] I thought it was a crash site…

Ernie Stull:

“And it is. But there was nothing there to see. The plane had completely disintegrated. Puff. It hit the ground and flew to pieces–completely.”

[thorgrim]

Thanks for answering my question Silverbullet.

[slvrbugjim]

Originally Posted by FiftySense

Ya, so that makes two planes on the same day that virtually disappeared to nothing. One plane which landed at Cleveland Hopkins airport in Ohio with the same serial number as flight 93. Two massive towers that fell in less than two hours (a world exclusive) and one building which fell perfectly as if it was a controlled demolition because of an alleged internal fire with no smoke. All done by 19 alleged cave-dwelling hijackers with boxcutters. Hell one was so good that he flew around 3 feet above the ground to crash perfectly into the pentagon.

ALL IN ONE DAY!

And to think that people who question this story are considered members of the tinfoil hat brigade.

That would make the official story the conspiracy theory.
Would some persons pull off 911 as a pretext to start a series of wars to profit a few, yes they would and they have before.
All one needs is to look at WTC Building 7 to smell the rat, and it stink to high heaven BTW.

We are aware of the ponzi scheme put upon the American people in 1913 called the FED, which his about to fall like a house of cards, many sheeple have no idea about what the FED even really is. Likewise, many people have been lulled to sleep about the official lies about 911 as well.
I would say that is it suprising to me to see so many uninformed persons on this board that continue to snooz away.

[Rookrich]

I think the single biggest peice of evidence that our government may have played a role in 911 it the fact that it was quite simply not a plane that hit the Pentagon. It was obviously a missile (damage to the building + video).

If it was a missile (which I believe it was), it seems very likely that it was one of ours (wouldn't have tried to say it was a plane if somebody else fired it).

After you are convinced that they played any role, it is hard to believe that they didn't play the entire role.

Next biggest peice is WTC #7, and the fall patterns for the towers IMO.



Pass me one of those tinfoil hats.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Rookrich

I think the single biggest peice of evidence that our government may have played a role in 911 it the fact that it was quite simply not a plane that hit the Pentagon.

I'm with Ruppert on this one. Let's not get hung up on the physical evidence -- we can debate that until the cows come home. Evidence that our government did play a role in 9/11 exists in the fact that they told so many lies about the events of that day and went to such heroic lengths to cover up the physical evidence. That alone proves they are culpable. Their own behavior proves their guilt.

It's not necessary for me to offer an alternative explanation for what happened (although several plausible alternatives have been offered by others) and it's not necessary for me to prove anything. Government complicity is revealed by all the lies they've told on the subject.

[MattMarriott]

Originally Posted by MattMarriott

3. The WTC towers were pulled.
Cover up: live footage only from close-up scenes (smoke, people running away); no live videos with global view on 9/11 or ever after.
Hoax: faked photos released short after, with WTC tower above "impact" tilting.
Web of disinformation: will not deny it, since is not important to make people swallow the core lie.

Time to uncover the core cover-up
Time to add, to basic fact #3:
- "Unprecedented demolition technique" to the cover-up section;
- cover-up of what was that "Unprecedented demolition technique" to the web of disinformation section...

The core lie is "there were planes". The core cover-up is what exactly was the unprecedented demolition technique used. See it here:
Mini H-bomb in basement. upwards directed: Finnish Military Expert solves last unclear issue about how 9/11 was executed
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/t...t-unclear.html

Although this is not a fact, this theory has a degree pf probability close to 100 pct, since it's the only one that can explain
- the facts observed on 9/11;
- what happened to the survivors that were at the scene as the cores of the towers were turned into dust. They are either dead or terminally ill, the symptoms being again what you would expect from this theory.

One government uses nuclear bombs against its own citizens. A premiere that goes unnoticed... as you would expect from the Laws of End Times Reductionism.

[MattMarriott]

Murder of Princess Diana vs. the 9/11 plot: what was truly genious
http://end-times-hoaxes.blogspot.com...-911-plot.html

[UFM]

Thanks Matt, you're doing a wonderful service for the "Truth" ...

Keep up the GOOD work.

[woodman]

Confusion will be my epitaph
as I crawl a cracked and broken path
if we make it we can all sit back and laugh
but I fear tommorow I'll be crying......

From an old King Crimson tune.

Confusion is used to derail opponents. It is an elemental form of deciet. In warfare the enemy's own momentum is used to derail him. A subtle change in direction can be quickly magnified and the enemy nullified. I'm not saying the no planes scenario is wrong; highly unlikely yes. I would think that of the thousands of people who witnessed the planes hitting the towers some of them would come clean if it was a lie. If no planes hit the towers the anectdotal evidence would be impossible to hide. I firmly believe that our government is lying like hell about 9\11. If they are lying they are therefore complicit.

We should always keep in mind the motto of the Mossad, "By way of deciet, so shall we wage war."

At first I thought the 9\11 conspiracy theorists were crazy. I researched and then I went crazy too. Most of America is now crazy? I think we just woke up and went sane. We are up against an enemy that will stop at nothing for they believe that the end justifies the means and if their ends are twisted you can bet their means will be doubly so.

[woodman]

This link is to an article that should serve to illustrate my point.

http://www.rense.com/general78/netfraud.htm

[keehah]

MM Hoax: faked photos released short after, with WTC tower above "impact" tilting.

I noticed the top of the first tower hit tilt as I was watching live TV coverage that morning.

I find some of your other theories interesting, but your 911 comments in this thread are too sheeplishis dis-info for you MM.

[Christopher]

Matt Mariot is a hologram.

[softserve320]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Matt Mariot is a hologram.

I vehemently disagree.
Matt Mariot is real, he's just remote controlled.

[MattMarriott]

The truth goes through three stages, remember?

The day the TV Fakery is no more questioned... June 2007

Begin here
part 1: faked live second plane impact
http://www.livevideo.com/media/comme...8129&showadd=1
part 4: who were the first witnesses reporting they saw a plane
http://www.livevideo.com/media/comme...CCC4CFC2F0F257
Only CIA psy-ops will be in denial, after watching those videos.

As far as part 1:
I didn't know about the Fox "live" helicopter broadcast, where, unlike in the case of the CNN "live" broadcast, the angle allowed for the possibility of a mistake while inserting the plane in the frames, which was exactly what happened, with the nose getting out from the tower.

As the TRUTH about the TV fakery was first revealed... 2004-2005
What was the reaction to the truth, when it was revealed the first time worldwide? A reminder...
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/s...d.php?p=109686

Note about the videos - Two details:
- there were no planes, but there were also NO missiles, which is what http://www.livevideo.com/media/comme...16B5&showadd=1 suggests. The perps used just bombs planted in the towers, to simulate the impacts and (mini-nukes) to reduce them to rubble, .
- CNN James McIntyre first reports from the Pentagon about seeing no traces of a plane were NOT because he did not know about what was going on. It was because it was in the script, as part of the "terrorize the sheep" agenda in day 1, which was the role of the Pentagon in the 9/11 script.
http://911-for-dummies.blogspot.com/...nd-911_01.html